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Go south, young man with a nose ring


Did anyone actually move from the United States to Canada in 2004 out of disgust with the Bush re-election? They may be moving home soon. I hear it’s a buyer’s market in real estate:

Obama up by 10 points as McCain favorability ratings fall

Highlights: When asked who’s the stronger leader: Obama 54%, McCain 40%. On who understands people’s economic troubles better: Obama 58%, McCain 28%.


Go south, young man with a nose ring

  1. I wonder where right wing Americans go if they don’t fancy being led by the marxist rabble rouser?

    McCain campaign is a fiasco, it takes some work to get people to think Obama is a strong leader, but McCain has managed it. I think it was George Will yesterday who pointed out campaign has three messages: in person, McCain says Obama is a good guy nothing to fear about him, in his ads he says Obama is good guy but a liar and Palin doesn’t say whether Obama is a good guy or not but he’s a liar and hangs around with terrorists, racists and criminals.

    There is talk that McCain campaign is going to introduce even more policies in the next day or two related to economy but I think it’s way too late because a ‘vote the bums out’ mood has swept the nation.

  2. I know some (two) Americans who moved up here part-time. Not totally because of Bush but they sure hate him. Ironically, now that he’s going they think they’ll be forced to move back because their exploded portfolios will put them back to full time work for another 3-4 years before they can retire here.

    On the other hand, I hear Harper haters talking of moving south if Obama is elected. Half in earnest. All (I think) in jest.

  3. I think any that moved Mr. Wells – will wait for the other shoe to drop…

    Obviously there are more jwls and Kodys and Jarrids south of the border…because the folks that I am in touch with south of the border seem – in these last days – to be buying in – in increasing numbers – to conspiracy theories about Bush / Cheney get set up to declare Martial Law at the drop of a hat…and the rumours include suspension of the election….

    And I’m not talking the usual tinfoil hats types – I’m talking folks that I would normally consider sensible and feet on ground types…

    Heck – I can see Cheney’s sneering face now – saying “Just watch me”!

  4. I left in 2004, but it was before the second stolen election. Haven’t looked back, and will not return. Next year I’ll be eligible to apply for citizenship. If accepted, I won’t be dual. I’m very happy here, and grateful for Canada. Happy Thanksgiving. (No nose ring, no desire for real estate.)

  5. To vote for the same party that gave them George W. Bush, surely the worst disaster of a President since 1776, would be unbelievably stupid, IMO. On the other hand, I kind of like John McCain. I can’t help but think if McCain had replaced Bush in 2004 what a difference for the better it would have been for all concerned.

    I do think McCain’s age is becoming an issue–not because he’s at an age where many die, but because ‘being a maverick’ is looking more like ‘being erratic’. Or, a doddering old fool. Such a shame.

    I greatly respect both men for trying to reign in the partisan hatred between Democrats and Republicans, while at the same time bashing one’s opponent as part of trying to win an election.

  6. Welcome, Jody. We will do our best not to tase you, bro.

  7. Americans will get what they vote for….if they dont like it/or do then in 2 years they can make significant changes in House and Senate, or not.

    A much more malleable system.

    Up here, well then you’ll get contnual jockeying. Maybe we should have 1/3 of MP’s up for election every 2 years no matter what.

    Obama has to run a terible campaign or McCain has to run a brilliant campaign to get McCain in the White House. It looks like it will slip to a solid Obama win, despite the legitimate doubts that may exist about him. Thats OK, a President can do lots if he’s popular, not so much when he isnt.

    Obama win means 3 Supreme Court justices retire, I forget which ones, Breyer, Steven and Ginsberg I suspect. Ginsberg is a no change for the Dems….Breyer and Stevens tended to swing in their votes so it depends how hard “left” they choose, and how young.

    Allows the dems to refresh the bench with some youngblood to last them for times when there is a GOP president.

  8. The next fork full of turkey will be raised in your honour, Jody.

  9. Thanks, Paul. I’m in Vancouver, but not at YVR.

  10. Thanks to you too, Sisyphus! Makes me feel at home, eh?

  11. I know a lot of people here in California who cannot stomach the idea of being here while if McCain wins. It looks like he won’t. But I know significantly more people who will also leave if Proposition 8 passes (that’s the constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage).

    Having grown up in Canada, I’ve lived my entire adult life in the US (I’m 32), but the idea of Prop 8 fills me with such despair that I’ll move.

  12. As someone with a lot of friends in the USA, I’m so gratified by the Obama upswing. Those poor folks, they were walking around for a month after 2004 like people in a waking nightmare. This was in California and nothing they could have done or willed could have made a difference. Given the apocalyptic contrast this year, an Obama loss would surely have brought hordes of them to our shores to join us and our soon-to-be fellow citizen Jody. (Welcome Jody!!) Seriously, it’d’ve been 1783 part deux; and, gratifying as that would be, and as good a home as we could provide them, the human anguish quotient would just be too huge. Thankfully, Yes They Can.

  13. Jenn, Bush was a bad president, but can you even name all the presidents? Hoover and Van Buren (though you can blame Andrew Jackson for ending the national bank) led America into Great Depressions. James Buchanan twiddled his thumbs and let the US Civil War happen. Andrew Johnson botched reconstruction so badly, that African Americans weren’t really equal citizens till the 1950’s. A mixture of ignorance and malice drives your comments.

    The main events of the Bush presidency are 9/11 and the war on terror, Iraq, Katrina and the financial crisis. How will he fare on each?
    -War on terror: this is the one place he still gets positive reviews from Americans.
    -Iraq: was a disaster, but is now stabilized. If Iraq continues on as the only Arab democracy, it would be a fair-sized feather in Bush’s cap.
    -Katrina: was an utter disgrace, but is more likely to be forgotten than the above two.
    -The financial crisis: is not yet resolved, so we will see how that goes.

  14. Hosertohoosier–I can’t even name all Canadian Prime Ministers.

    But a shout out yay to Van Buren, who prevented his caucus from starting a war with Canada to end the depression they were in. As for Buchanan and Johnson, I haven’t done any research on them (yet) but I do know something of the situation/constraints they worked under that may have had something to do with their less than stellar results.

    I’ll concede the ignorance, but the only malice to President Bush came AFTER I saw how one man can destroy a great nation. I was ignorantly fine with him when he was first elected. At this point I have to ask, has he done anything right?

  15. Dean P –

    I’m hearing a lot of conspiracy talk coming out of my friends in California – of the White House and plans to declare Martial Law at the least opportunity – and Ahnuld isn’t exactly making those worry warts feel more comfortable – with his vetos on the State Budget – leaving most state employees being paid minimum wage..also wasn’t Ahnuld the first with his hand out when the Bailout bill was passed?

  16. Jenn, just imagine if McCain had beaten Bush for the 2000 Republican pres nominee. The world would be a very different place right now. However, McCain’s time was 8 years ago. He’s well past his best before date, and Obama will eat him alive.

  17. Wabbit: The conspiracy talk ramped up a notch when it became known that a brigade of the US military, trained in “crowd control” techniques from Iraq, has been stationed in the US specifically under direct control of the President (not Congress) and reciting an oath that puts adherence to the mission before adherence to the constitution.

    I was one of those people who jokingly talked about “El Presidente for Life Bush” back in 04 after the Diebold prediction came true. Unfortunately, I’m starting to worry that it’s no longer a joke.

  18. The people I can’t stand are the ones who say they’ll move if McCain wins… and said the same thing in 04 and 00…

  19. Paul, as one of your readers who came on here to talk about the troubles Obama was having in the summer, it’s only fair that I show up to eat my plate of crow now. Barring some cataclysmic event, Obama is cruising to a pretty easy victory in three weeks.

    For as much as I hate to say it, McCain’s age has become an issue in so far as he has simply not run an energetic campaign. The John McCain from 2000 could have given Obama a run for his money, but the 2008 version simply hasn’t developed a compelling enough narrative, or at the very least has lost the ability to deliver one. At 64, John McCain would have looked like the voice of experience. At 72, he is starting to look and sound a little old.

    I still maintain Obama is a weak candidate who lucked into absolutely perfect circumstances for a Democrat. Not only does he have an intensely unpopular GOP incumbent President AND an economic crisis, he also has the fact that foreign affairs, always a strong suit for the GOP, has temporarily faded from the headlines. It is ironic that the progress in Iraq, made possibly in large part because of the surge McCain championed and Obama opposed, is helping Obama win.

    Obama’s problems come on January 20, when expectations will be running sky high. He is almost certain to have a strengthened Democratic Congress, which means that Democratic special interest groups will be all over him to deliver on their wish lists. (Organized labour, for instance, will want both card check and revisions to NAFTA.) Without any fiscal room to move, however, Obama is certain to disappoint them, and his “friends” in Congress will abandon him the second his approval ratings start to head south. Is Obama more like Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter? We will find out soon enough.