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Liberal candidates are reporting prank call campaigns.

On Tuesday, the Liberals issued a warning to Ontario residents about “harassing” phone calls they say are part of an “aggressive, unethical scheme organized and coordinated” by their political opponents. Furious constituents in at least 10 ridings have complained about receiving rude phone calls from people claiming to be working for the local Liberal candidate. The calls, which contain a North Dakota “701” area code, often come repeatedly late at night or early in the morning.

Elections Canada is apparently investigating.


 

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  1. Crank calls are rather milquetoast if that is accurate description. Why are Liberals such whiny beyotches?

    I thought article was funny – paragraph after para about how hard done by Libs are and at very end they deign to mention that a Liberal has been charged with electoral shenanigans. All Lib candidates complaining and yet they are only party who have staff being charged with crimes. Sounds about right, coming from Libs.

    "Area resident Michael Cosgrove said he got one of the calls just before 5 p.m. on April 3.

    “It was a young lady who said, ‘I'm calling on behalf of Joe Volpe and I was wondering if you will be supporting him,'” said Cosgrove, who has traditionally supported the NDP. When he told the woman he'd support Volpe this time around, she asked, “Can we put up a lawn sign?”

    “I said I live in a condo and we have a policy against window signs, so it wouldn't do much good,” Cosgrove said. “At that point she giggled and it sounded like there was someone else laughing in the background.”

    “It was a very young voice. It's not unusual to use younger volunteers.”

  2. Crank calls are rather milquetoast if that is accurate description. Why are Liberals such whiny beyotches?

    I thought article was funny – paragraph after para about how hard done by Libs are and at very end they deign to mention that a Liberal has been charged with electoral shenanigans. All Lib candidates complaining and yet they are only party who have staff being charged with crimes. Sounds about right, coming from Libs.

    "Area resident Michael Cosgrove said he got one of the calls just before 5 p.m. on April 3.

    “It was a young lady who said, ‘I%E2%80%99m calling on behalf of Joe Volpe and I was wondering if you will be supporting him,%E2%80%99” said Cosgrove, who has traditionally supported the NDP. When he told the woman he%E2%80%99d support Volpe this time around, she asked, “Can we put up a lawn sign?”

    “I said I live in a condo and we have a policy against window signs, so it wouldn%E2%80%99t do much good,” Cosgrove said. “At that point she giggled and it sounded like there was someone else laughing in the background.”

    “It was a very young voice. It%E2%80%99s not unusual to use younger volunteers.”

  3. Crank calls are rather milquetoast if that is accurate description. Why are Liberals such whiny beyotches?

    I thought article was funny – paragraph after para about how hard done by Libs are and at very end they deign to mention that a Liberal has been charged with electoral shenanigans. All Lib candidates complaining and yet they are only party who have staff being charged with crimes. Sounds about right, coming from Libs.

    "Area resident Michael Cosgrove said he got one of the calls just before 5 p.m. on April 3.

    “It was a young lady who said, ‘I'm calling on behalf of Joe Volpe and I was wondering if you will be supporting him,'” said Cosgrove, who has traditionally supported the NDP. When he told the woman he'd support Volpe this time around, she asked, “Can we put up a lawn sign?”

    “I said I live in a condo and we have a policy against window signs, so it wouldn't do much good,” Cosgrove said. “At that point she giggled and it sounded like there was someone else laughing in the background.”

    “It was a very young voice. It's not unusual to use younger volunteers.”

    • Do you ever have low standards for behavior! Would you repeatedly harass another party's supporters, claiming to be a representative from their party? Really, what kind of person does that? Anyone you know?

      • I think bergkamp's doing it now posing as a conservative.

    • So do you find the whole idea of vote suppression to be amusing?

      • Some people think it's funny as long as their side wins. A large number of these people are CPC.

  4. This should be front page news. More cheating. I wonder how the in/out is going this time. Any reporters working on this campaign? Or are they ALL just transcribing the daily talking points and spin.

  5. This should be front page news. More cheating. I wonder how the in/out is going this time. Any reporters working on this campaign? Or are they ALL just transcribing the daily talking points and spin.

    • I doubt that would be front page news. Last election Liberals supporters in Guelph, Niagara-on-the-Lake and a number of Toronto ridings had their car brake lines cut and graffitti sprayed on their homes. Reporters never showed much concern about these incidents. They would find more importance, I guess, if a ticket to some warm spot elsewhere in the world was attached to this type of news. But harassment of voters in Canada? No. It goes against the talking points they get from their anonymous-friends-in-the-pmo.

  6. Do you ever have low standards for behavior! Would you repeatedly harass another party's supporters, claiming to be a representative from their party? Really, what kind of person does that? Anyone you know?

  7. I doubt that would be front page news. Last election Liberals supporters in Guelph, Niagara-on-the-Lake and a number of Toronto ridings had their car brake lines cut and graffitti sprayed on their homes. Reporters never showed much concern about these incidents. They would find more importance, I guess, if a ticket to some warm spot elsewhere in the world was attached to this type of news. But harassment of voters in Canada? No. It goes against the talking points they get from their anonymous-friends-in-the-pmo.

  8. I think that we should insist that groups who want to hire telemarketers to make fraudulent phone calls to unsuspecting Canadians to undermine their political opponents use CANADIAN telemarketers. Let's not allow our dirty tricks industry to ship jobs out of Canada.

  9. I think that we should insist that groups who want to hire telemarketers to make fraudulent phone calls to unsuspecting Canadians to undermine their political opponents use CANADIAN telemarketers. Let's not allow our dirty tricks industry to ship jobs out of Canada.

    • What would that do to the Republican worldview? TRADE WAR!

  10. Just trying to talk to the voters CATS!

  11. When the Liberals receive phony calls they immediately spew baseless accusations against their opponents; a clear sign of desperation. When similar calls when out to Conservative supporters the party stated that such incidents were "troubling" and referred the matter to Elections Canada for investigation.

    Shea worried about possible voter 'interference' http://www.journalpioneer.com/News/Local/2011-04-

  12. What would that do to the Republican worldview? TRADE WAR!

  13. Just trying to talk to the voters CATS!

    • Heh.

  14. When the Liberals receive phony calls they immediately spew baseless accusations against their opponents; a clear sign of desperation. When similar calls when out to Conservative supporters the party stated that such incidents were "troubling" and referred the matter to Elections Canada for investigation.

    Shea worried about possible voter 'interference' http://www.journalpioneer.com/News/Local/2011-04-

    • That's merely your opinion. You're looking for any excuse to defame people you disagree with. The example you cite describes a very different situation, one in which "The caller reportedly offered no information to suggest he was calling on behalf of any group or organization."

      • And that is merely the Grit's opinion hence a baseless accusation against their opponents. Both incidents similarly involve misleading phone calls. Not only was MP Gail Shea's riding targeted but also that of Conservative candidate Dr. Bruce Pretty. Both these campaign's referred the matter to Election's Canada. Neither made baseless accusations against their opponents. It is not the Tories who are desperately looking for any excuse to defame their opponents.

        • So you are a psychic now; you can prove they are baseless accusations? I'll bet the example you cite is a case of some guy phishing for personal gain — not political at all. How many complaints did Shea get from locals, one or two? Why not wait to see if others report this as happening? There is a whole order-of-magnitude difference between what Shea reports and what's happening in Ontario:

          "Furious constituents in at least 10 ridings have complained about receiving rude phone calls from people claiming to be working for the local Liberal candidate. The calls, which contain a North Dakota “701” area code, often come repeatedly late at night or early in the morning.

          So please spare us the preaching about the sanctity of Gail Shea and her party.

          • The onus is not on me to prove that these are baseless accusations; the burden of proof is on the Liberal Party to support their accusations with evidence. The Liberal Party, by providing zero evidence of political involvement, has made a baseless accusation.

            I suspect that neither of these incidents involves any political party. As I have said elsewhere this would place any party at an extremely great risk for an extremely small benefit.

            I suspect in the case of the 701 area code that it is some American corporate entity with Canadian interests which believes that the possibility of a Liberal/NDP/Bloc coalition government with a high-tax, pro-union, anti-business agenda is not in their financial interests. But again as no evidence presently exists this is speculation.

  15. So do you find the whole idea of vote suppression to be amusing?

  16. Some people think it's funny as long as their side wins. A large number of these people are CPC.

  17. That's merely your opinion. You're looking for any excuse to defame people you disagree with. The example you cite describes a very different situation, one in which "The caller reportedly offered no information to suggest he was calling on behalf of any group or organization."

  18. And that is merely the Grit's opinion hence a baseless accusation against their opponents. Both incidents similarly involve misleading phone calls. Not only was MP Gail Shea's riding targeted but also that of Conservative candidate Dr. Bruce Pretty. Both these campaign's referred the matter to Election's Canada. Neither made baseless accusations against their opponents. It is not the Tories who are desperately looking for any excuse to defame their opponents.

  19. I think bergkamp's doing it now posing as a conservative.

  20. You mean some US telemarketer might invoke Chapter 11?

  21. Sounds like somebody harvesting emails for spam.

  22. So you are a psychic now; you can prove they are baseless accusations? I'll bet the example you cite is a case of some guy phishing for personal gain — not political at all. How many complaints did Shea get from locals, one or two? Why not wait to see if others report this as happening? There is a whole order-of-magnitude difference between what Shea reports and what's happening in Ontario:

    "Furious constituents in at least 10 ridings have complained about receiving rude phone calls from people claiming to be working for the local Liberal candidate. The calls, which contain a North Dakota “701” area code, often come repeatedly late at night or early in the morning.

    So please spare us the preaching about the sanctity of Gail Shea and her party.

  23. In both incidents voter suppression seems to be the intent of the phony calls. Some more info on the nature of the Shea/Pretty incident:

    "The caller asks who you intend to vote for. If you identify yourself as a Conservative supporter, you will be given detailed instructions on how you can vote on line. This appears to be a dishonest but clever attempt to get Conservative supporters to "vote online," presumably to some dead-letter internet address, thinking they have cast a legitimate ballot."

  24. I think that it is more likely one or a few individuals targeting elderly (perhaps technologically illiterate) Conservative supporters in a clever attempt to suppress their vote.

    I doubt that there is another political party behind either of the Tory or Grit targeted calls. This would place any party at an extremely great a risk for an extremely small benefit. I think that it is most likely the work of one or a few hyper-partisan individuals or perhaps some corporate entity in the case of the GTA incident (hence the 701 area code).

  25. The onus is not on me to prove that these are baseless accusations; the burden of proof is on the Liberal Party to support their accusations with evidence. The Liberal Party, by providing zero evidence of political involvement, has made a baseless accusation.

    I suspect that neither of these incidents involves any political party. As I have said elsewhere this would place any party at an extremely great risk for an extremely small benefit.

    I suspect in the case of the 701 area code that it is some American corporate entity with Canadian interests which believes that the possibility of a Liberal/NDP/Bloc coalition government with a high-tax, pro-union, anti-business agenda is not in their financial interests. But again as no evidence presently exists this is speculation.

  26. I see the charming Con tactics have begun…schoolyard stuff again

    And then they wonder why people scoff at having an 'adult discussion' with them.

  27. It is telling that the Liberals who have centred their campaign on the question of legitimacy would without a shred of evidence baselessly accuse their opponents of involvement in this incident.

  28. It is telling that the Liberals who have centred their campaign on the question of legitimacy would without a shred of evidence baselessly accuse their opponents of involvement in this incident.

  29. Oh…so you suspect elves?

  30. I have speculated that the 701 area code suggests some American corporate entity with Canadian interests who perceives the possibility of a Liberal/NDP/Bloc coalition government with a high-tax, pro-union, anti-business agenda not to be in their financial interests (the Grits alone have campaigned on ending public-private partnerships, oil sands subsidies, hiking corporate taxes, etc.).

    With the election winding down tactics such as this if linked to a political party would put any campaign in extreme jeopardy. The slight political gains produced would not be proportional to possible severe losses. However, such tactics would not be above an American based corporate lobby.

  31. I have speculated that the 701 area code suggests some American corporate entity with Canadian interests who perceives the possibility of a Liberal/NDP/Bloc coalition government with a high-tax, pro-union, anti-business agenda not to be in their financial interests (the Grits alone have campaigned on ending public-private partnerships, oil sands subsidies, hiking corporate taxes, etc.).

    With the election winding down tactics such as this if linked to a political party would put any campaign in extreme jeopardy. The slight political gains produced would not be proportional to possible severe losses. However, such tactics would not be above an American based corporate lobby.

    • Yup….American corporate entities are slalking our streets defacing signs, spraying grafitti, cutting brakelines etc….yup, must be it.

      Points for being anti-American while slipping another campaign message in though.

      • You have built your argument on the fallacy of false equivalence. Phony calls from a North Dakota call centre are not the same as petty vandalism. Hiring a call centre requires more financial resources then the purchase of a sharpie.

        • It's all of a piece.

          Personally I think elves were your best shot.

  32. Yup….American corporate entities are slalking our streets defacing signs, spraying grafitti, cutting brakelines etc….yup, must be it.

    Points for being anti-American while slipping another campaign message in though.

  33. Hello, this is, uh..Bob Flanders and Mason Henney calling from the, uh… Liberal Party…

  34. Hello, this is, uh..Bob Flanders and Mason Henney calling from the, uh… Liberal Party…

  35. You have built your argument on the fallacy of false equivalence. Phony calls from a North Dakota call centre are not the same as petty vandalism. Hiring a call centre requires more financial resources then the purchase of a sharpie.

  36. It's all of a piece.

    Personally I think elves were your best shot.

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