If he had a rocket launcher, he'd be better off than your average Canadian soldier - Macleans.ca
 

If he had a rocket launcher, he’d be better off than your average Canadian soldier


 

Bruce Cockburn, war-monger:

Cockburn, 64, does not think the Canadians should pull out of Afghanistan, as the government has said they would do in 2011.

“It’s a long discussion on whether we should be in Afghanistan — whether anyone should be in Afghanistan. But since we are and we’ve gone this far, I don’t think it’s appropriate to leave at this stage. Certainly, I have not had the idea that anyone I have talked to among the soldiers is hiding anything or trying to slant things to a particular view.

“They believe in what they doing and are witnesses to what they are doing and I have to accept the truth of what they are telling me.

“I don’t think it’s a good plan to be pulling out of here — with the circumstances at this time.”


 

If he had a rocket launcher, he’d be better off than your average Canadian soldier

  1. Wow! Sounds like he asked himself "what do I think" as opposed to the all-too-common "what 's the party line on this." Good for him.

  2. And he's probably right.. it's not a good plan.

    The problem is, I don't think anybody sees it as getting any better any time in the reasonable future.

  3. And he's probably right.. it's not a good plan with the circumstances at this time.

    The problem is, I don't think anybody sees it as getting any better any time in the reasonable future. Sooner or later you have to accept the loss and move on.

  4. And he's probably right.. it's not a good plan with the circumstances at this time.

    The problem is, I don't think anybody sees it as getting any better any time in the reasonable future.

  5. Hey, anytime this man speaks on something, I give him the benefit of the doubt that he's done his thinking beforehand.

    He's no political lightweight.

    • The man has dedicated years of his life and lots of his own money, to issues of global poverty and the victims of conflicts and wars. He's had the guts to write political songs, which is hardly a fast-track to fame and fortune in the music business.

      If anyone should shut up…

    • The man has dedicated years of his life and lots of his own money, to issues of global poverty and the victims of conflicts and wars. He's had the guts to write overtly political songs, which is hardly a fast-track to fame and fortune in the music business.

      If anyone should shut up…

      • Did you even hear that one pass right over your head, Sean.

        • Clearly not. Enlighten me if there's a reference I missed, and if that is indeed the case I apologize fully and unreservedly.

          • Sorry, I often forget that I'm more knowledgeable and have a better memory than most people here.

          • Is there some sort of Dixie Chicks / Bruce Cockburn connection that I'm not aware of? Otherwise, I'm not sure how that passed right over Sean's Head.

          • As promised, I'm sorry for the above. But when a reference requires the metaphoric equivalent of a bathysphere and Rosetta Stone to "get it", I'm not sure it can be claimed to have passed over anything, much less my head. :)

          • As I said, I often forget that many here are not as knowledgeable as I am.

          • Given my impression of which orifice outputs your verbiage, Bob, I have to say your avatar is… perfect.

          • You have to admit that the reference was fairly subtle.

            And when you move way past subtle you end up in territory also known as irrelevant.

            But I still liked the comment.

      • Did you even hear that one pass right over your head.

    • Are you a Dixie Chicks fan?

      Caught them a few years ago on the Charlie Rose show; informative and entertaining. Don't mind the music, although I don't own any either.

    • Are you a Dixie Chicks fan?

      Caught them a few years ago on the Charlie Rose show; informative and entertaining. Don't mind the music, although I don't own any.

  6. Amazing how going and speaking with someone about what they are doing and listening to them explain why can change opinions. As i am relentlessly exposed to the sniveling left's pontifications on what everybody else should think and how stupid I am to have an informed opinion differing from theirs, i find this refreshing.

    Maybe the CPC can book him for the victory party if Andrew is wrong. I suggest any who oppose Canada's contribution in Afghanistan actually speak with some of the guys who have served there and ask them if they think it is waste…remember that when you do the personal experience of someone who has risked their life to prove their point trumps the pontification of Torstar ranters

    • Before I begin, I'll suggest, not pontificate, that you don't take this to mean that I'm telling you you're stupid for having a differing opinion from anyone else because I wouldn't want to damage your delicate feelings. But then: Oh, honestly, would you please shut up, you sorry little crybaby?
      If you're trying to tell me that if I oppose the Canadian mission in Afghanistan, I should seek the opinion of a less-disinterested individual, like a professional soldier who served there, in order to get set straight, then I'm telling you to get bent, fella.
      As for Cockburn, I appreciate him sharing what he knows and feels about this mission. I understand what he's saying, that given the circumstances, it wouldn't be the right thing to do to just pull up stakes and leave, but I don't understand how, in the longer term, that principle makes for anything but a recipe for a permanent (and permanently dysfunctional) installation.

      • Dude, you have SO totaly proved my point….are you implying the volunteer soldiers LIKE it there? That they like to bring stability and security to distressed/oppressed Afghanis? That they enjoy teaching locals the basics of self governance? That the engineers like to build schools and bridges? That the results are worth the risk?…and don't forget they are betting THEIR lives.

        I feel sorry for smug ignorant fools like yourself. you understand nothing but your self-righteousness and never bother to fact check your assumptions and live in a faux world of Marx and Keynes. Graduate of York?

        Hate me if it makes you feel better, but please try and broaden your horizons and do some REAL research as to the realpolitik reasons we are there.

        • My reply to yours was anything but smug or sniveling. It focused largely on the point that you're a crybaby. It appears I was right. After that, you've loaded in a lot of worthless ad hominen garbage that's fairly typical of blustery types like yourself, so really you've proved little except that a crybaby, once moved to tears, really can't help himself after that.
          But also, the soldiers aren't volunteers, they're paid employees. I said nothing to imply they like it there, but I did imply that they couldn't be completely honest about their mission if they wanted to, or even if they thought they were being completely honest. That's why you can't go to them with questions like, "Is the mission worth it?" Now that I've been more explicit, do you understand? Didn't think so.

  7. Hear, hear.

    • Speaking of shutting up…

      • Who are you replying to?

        • I don't know. Some kind of cartoon, I think.

          • Cartoon…hmmm….not Sean, he offers us a shadow of a presumably human image. Not the CR, since his avatar is of a puppet/muppet. That only leaves…..Robert?

  8. I'm sure Cockburn is only saying this because he has to.

    • Some sort of commitment he made in exchange for Can-Con play in the 1970s?

    • Care to elaborate?

  9. Bruce Cockburn, now an American neoimperialist….who would have thunk it! -).

  10. The guy thinks, and tries to let his principles guide his politics. Which is more than you can say for most. I like him on gun rights, too. On the environment, not so much, but I give him the time of day because he's not just knee-jerk.

    And damn, he's a fine guitar player — if you think of him just as a singer — pay more attention. His latest live acoustic album is just freakin' amazing. And his Christmas album — do yourself a favour this December and get it — you won't regret it — a Canadian classic. His record Love this guy.