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Is the NDP tearing itself apart yet? How bout now?


 

Globe and Mail, April 30The push for a merger between the Liberal Party and the NDP has quickly become a major issue among the growing field of candidates to replace Jack Layton, threatening the steely discipline and tight focus that propelled the New Democrats to unprecedented standing in Ottawa.

Globe and Mail, September 4. The first clean split among federal New Democrats since Jack Layton passed away last month rests on an issue that strikes at the historical heart of the party: the role of union members in choosing the next leader.

Globe and Mail, September 14NDP caucus members running to replace Jack Layton will have to quit their positions as critics or committee chairs, according to rules unveiled Wednesday by Interim Leader Nycole Turmel. But the interpretation of those rules has created confusion in the NDP caucus … With the race only just begun, tension is already mounting within caucus. 


 

Is the NDP tearing itself apart yet? How bout now?

  1. Keep up the smugness now – it’ll only make it more entertaining when the inevitable happens.

    • #momentumisbuilding

  2. My suggestion for NDPers is to simply stop reading newspapers, watching newscasts, or listening to news on the radio.  Then you won’t worry you are being torn apart and can have the genuine, vigorous discussions on these issues that are important to resolve, rather than let one person or two decide the answer because the ‘question’ is too divisive.  Because that response really will tear you apart.

    • I’d rather someone stand up at the next press conference and scream “We’re tehwing awselves apaht!” in their best fake Tommy Wiseau accent.  The media’s not going to change their narrative, so we might as well have some fun with it.

      • Haha!  Hilarious.

  3. Really. Sources not willing to be identified say that the G&M simply has
    to try harder.

  4. Pundits who have never taken the NDP seriously can’t admit now that they were so out of touch with a large segment of the population (and their readers) and are clinging to their prejudice rather than looking at the obvious. The reason so many pundits are in denial about the NDP is that they see themselves as the political centre and therefore the voice of reason while everyone else is to the left or right.

    Unfortunately the pundits aren’t self-aware enough to realize how influenced they have been by abstract neo-conservative ideas, and how far right they have drifted in comparison to most Canadians who continue to have no problem with government intervention in the economy when it is fair and useful, who don’t begrudge teachers and nurses and other civil servants a fair wage, who regard banks and business leaders with justifiable suspicion, who are reluctant to see Canada at war and who generally understand their interests aren’t served by cutting corporate taxes.

    • LOL!! So, despite the fact that the Tory’s just won a majority, you believe that most Canadians are rabid leftists who want bigger government, and to beat down private enterprise? Despite the fact that the NDP are about to lose their last provincial legislature outside of Nova Scotia? Despite the fact that most of the major cities in Canada have been electing right-of-center mayors for years now?

      You really should get out more.

      • Basically, the Harper Conservatives continue to win elections because of vote splits. This is one place where the statistical split of 60/40 points to the fact that the majority of canadians are not conservatives, not neo-cons, not right of centre.

        Your overly simple, black and white view persists in casting anyone not a conservative voter as “rabid leftists who want bigger government, and to beat down private enterprise”.  There is a middle, and you ain’t it. Stop pretending you are.

        Nothing is a ‘Fact” until it is proven, btw, finished and done. You can predict the future?

        • You really believe that every single person in this country who didn’t vote for Harper are all under the same Big Leftist Tent? Do you really believe that if the NDP and Liberals merged, that they’d get 58% in the next election? I certainly don’t think so. In fact, were that to happen I’d bet that the Tories would get over 50% and your argument would fall to pieces.

          • No. No. No and No.

          • Well, that’s certainly convincing.  Let me guess — you were the captain of the debate team in high school.

      • No a big chunk of Canadians are afraid of big government. They are concerned about big police forces that aren’t accountable and fail to respond to community level issues. They are concerned about big military spending to fight big wars. They are concerned about big government that interferes in union negotiations and forces contracts on workers. They are upset that big government won’t listen to small grain growers because it has some ideological agenda about agricultural trade. They are concereed about big deficits that are artificially created by so-called conservatives who then use their own fiscal incompetence as an excuse to attack spending on services. They wonder why they pay big taxes while profitable big banks and big insurance companies that participated in causing the sub prime mortgage meltdown are having their tax burden reduced and they wonder why we are subsidzing the liquidation and raw export of Canadian resources by big oil. In other words they are tired of the big lie, that Conservatives are somehow concerned about personal freedoms when what they really want is an authoritarian state that puts severe limits and the tax burden on individuals but refuses to regulate or tax business.

    • “Unfortunately the pundits aren’t self-aware enough to realize how influenced they have been by abstract neo-conservative ideas”
      Thank God, then, you’re here to tell them, though I thought “self-awareness” was a pre-req for 2nd year journalism.  As for being influenced by abstract neo-con ideas, my theory is they added them to the fluoride.

      “…most Canadians who continue to have no problem with government intervention in the economy when it is fair and useful,” – which is never;

      ” who don’t begrudge teachers and nurses and other civil servants a fair wage,” – that is currently, on average, 10 -20% higher than a similarly trained & experienced worker can expect to earn in the private sector, with both the gap and size of bureaucracy growing each year;

      ” who regard banks and business leaders with justifiable suspicion,” – until the time comes to invest the ol’ pension funds;

      ” who are reluctant to see Canada at war” – because, when you get right down to it, what about Canada is currently worth defending?;

      “and who generally understand their interests aren’t served by cutting corporate taxes.” -because the last thing we want in this country is a healthy private sector, which can only lead to (shudder) prosperity!

  5. Lol, ol’ Libby just on the radio doing a spin on Topp’s blooper yesterday “special” Quebec gets more seats if BC, Alta and Ont do.   Topp was going to manage Dix’s campaign, instead he passed him and his own party a hot potato – too funny.

    Yes Libby, “all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.” 

    • It is going to be something watching the NDP elevate sophistry, spinning and BS to new heights over this one.

      • It’ll be nothing compared to the last five years of Harper.

    • I don’t like the direction they are heading with this.  Quebec is currently the only province that is properly represented, mathematically.  Ontario, Alberta, and BC are under-represented.  The rest are over represented (although NS is only over by 1 and NB by 2).  If they come out and say “Quebec must have 1/4 of all seats no matter what the population of the rest of the country looks like!”, I’ll have to slap someone.

      • I look forward to you slapping most of the members of the NDP caucus, along with most of Quebec’s intelligentsia and punditocracy.  And they’ll all eminently deserve the slapping you give them.

        • Yay!  Free slapping rein!  When can I start?

  6. It seems like the Globe and Mail wants the NDP to merge with the Liberals so that the NDP can disappear and the Liberals can become more conservative.

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