More from the strangest presidential campaign ever


 

Yes, Biden actually said this. And while of course nobody can predict these things, there’s a decent chance he’s right. I think this is a clean check from the McCain camp, and a reminder of the days, so distant now, when it seemed that Biden would be the problematic veep candidate:


 

More from the strangest presidential campaign ever

  1. Hey wait, we’re already having an international crisis! And yeah, he could be right, but it’s not like McCain would magically be left alone either.

  2. A life long journalist, one who comes from a long line of journalists, such that he says he “bleeds ink”, discusses his lament over the downfall of media standards generally, but particularly the horrific one sidedness of the coverage of this election.

    He concludes that for the first time in his life he’s ashamed to call himself a journalist.

    It’s lengthy, its exploratory, and its simply true,

    here:

    http://tinyurl.com/5qycbm

  3. Paul, I heard this meme pushed on Sean Hannity’s radio show two days ago. Get with the times!

  4. One more equally startling act of self reflection by a member of the media, and an avowed Democrat

    entitled:

    “Would the last honest reporter please turn out the lights.”

    http://www.ldsmag.com/ideas/081017light.html

  5. kody,

    check out this doozy. Apparently some reporter thinks McCain’s heroism for being imprisoned in a Vietnam POW camp is “tarnished” because…he was filmed smoking a cigarette.

    Un freaking believable.

  6. ??? …. heroism for being imprisoned …

    Think it through.

  7. And, yes, the Palin puppy has been yapping about this for a couple of days now.

    And, yes, the Obama camp has had to pour a bucket of cold water on Joe Blow at least once a week.
    After Nov. 4 they can lock him in a closet and “seek his counsel” from time to time.

  8. Sysophis,

    Aside from the fact that he was captured while putting his life on the line for his country,

    apparently you are unaware of the fact that the N. Vietnamese offered to release McCain but McCain refused as he was aware it would be used as a tool to demoralize his fellow captors, and as a propaganda tool on the home front.

    He then endured years of torture,

    a torture he new would become more severe at his blatant slap at his captors.

    But by all means,

    keep belittling.

  9. Kody, when your party runs a crappy campaign the media picks up on it. Ask Dion.

  10. Uh.. has anybody other than him ever confirmed that they offered to release him and he said no?

    I mean, it strikes me as rather odd that they torture the man for years on end, but when they see a chance for political game, not only do they ask him first, but they respect his wishes when he refuses? Is there something I’m missing that makes this make sense?

  11. Blues,

    you obviously didn’t read those very well thought out articles.

    Either that, or you are deliberately averting your eyes from that which is impossible not to see.

    The media has forgotten that in their “ends justify the means” mentality, that in their business,

    the means ARE the ends.

    Now, where’s the next full page story about a cartoon bird, five year old speech, weeks old single line private joke, or the wearing of knitted clothing?

  12. Not to assert my bias, but I see the Times was good enough to mention Biden’s crisis talk in all of a 10-inch inside story. It seems like this should be a great story if Biden’s predictions seem plausible, or if they don’t. But it’s not like the Times is in the tank or anything.

  13. Biden’s right.

    But most Americans say they’d prefer not to have the hothead as President in a crisis.

    And a few might wonder what happens if he croaks. Think Palin won’t be tested?

  14. Kody, we’ve heard it all any number of times.

    Also that he finished near the bottom of his class.
    Also that he crashed a number of planes before the incident that lead to his capture.
    Also that he endured torture. Which can be indicative of heroism. Or a bloody-minded and stubborn attitude. Or both.

    And that he walked away from a damaged-goods wife who waited for him.
    And that he’s a maverick with a campaign team full of lobbyists.

    Oh, and I hear he smokes,too.

  15. Hah. Because Hugo Chavez is in such an awesome position to destabilize the global order.

    Two points on the politics of it, though. One, the inclusion of Palin’s name at the end of the ad takes away from its effectiveness. Nevermind the Obama campaign’s success in painting McCain as erratic following his epic financial fail. When you see Sarah Palin’s name on the ticket at the end of the ad, you feel far less secure about the support available for McCain in the White House, and worry about the prospects of McCain being incapacitated or worse. Vinegar Joe Lieberman’s “thank God she’s not going to have to be president from day one” comment today, context or no context, does not help this impression.

    Two, ads are frequently found be be most effective when they are broadcast, often using televisions. Obama’s national ad buys are still dwarfing McCain’s. Even if they do go dollar-for-dollar in the last week, McCain will be buying regional spots, and he has a ton of regions in which he needs to play catch-up. When you rely on free coverage of your ads in the media as a campaign strategy, sometimes events intervene. Or shopping sprees, as the case may be.

  16. Phew! Glad I held on til the end there when I heard, “I’m John McCain and I approved this message.” Isn’t that the same John McCain who offers to the world his BRILLIANT suggestion that SARAH PALIN be second in line to the presidency?

  17. “when it seemed that Biden would be the problematic veep candidate”

    Biden is the problematic candidate only it doesn’t appear that way because the ‘sophisticated’ liberal msm prefers to pile on a woman they don’t like instead.

    So we hear more about Palin’s wardrobe budget than we do about Biden predicting a world conflagration that will dwarf the financial crisis if Americans vote for his boss.

    It would also be refreshing if Obama/Biden started to say the same things to well heeled donours in private as they say to the hoi polloi in public. This is the second time that Obama/Biden have been caught out having entirely two different messages.

  18. Kody,
    by this quote:
    “He then endured years of torture,

    a torture he new would become more severe at his blatant slap at his captors.”

    Are you now pushing Maher Arar for Prime Minister?

    I mean seriously – we can all admire McCain’s record as a war hero. How does this set of skill translate into being a good President?

    FDR cheated on his wife, Churchill was a drunk, Sir John A. was a drunk, Mackenzie King talked to dead people etc etc etc. All serious character flaws, yet they made good leaders.

    Similarly Ronald Reagan was a freakin’ actor, yet people seem to think he did okay as a President.

    Long story short there is no way to determine who will make a good leader based on their previous career.

  19. More silliness, and what is this, a slow news day? Biden was saying We’re up to speed, we’re anticipating (and apprehending) things so we won’t be taken by surprise – anymore than you can’t be taken by surprise by a surprise. A message for Putin and bin Laden, like, you know, if you’re thinking of training some guys in Florida flight school to just take-off and fly jetliners but not land . . . Well, we can read, and we will read the FBI and CIA reports.

  20. The comments here have reached a fever pitch

    such that I must extricate myself from involvement.

    Paul Wells,

    yet another example of which direction your “tolerance” goes (he deleted a comment of mine for the crime of being “off topic” in a hollow thread of zero comments – and it stayed that way for the night btw – after I pointed out a startling fact about the campaign of “The One we’d been waiting for”.)

    Paul, I urge you to read the two articles I’ve linked, attempt to do what the former author suggests by fighting your natural biases every single time you put pen to paper, rather than joining the partisan frenzy.

    Don’t do it for me do it for your falling “profession” (a misnomer given it has no formal internal regulatory body, no codified norms, no conflict of interest guidelines or even a modicum of internal disciplinary mechanisms – which may explain why the press’ treatment of their sacred and constitutionally protected role of information disseminators often resembles a teenager’s treatment of their parents house while they’re away for the weekend),

    a “profession” who’s credibility is dropping like shares of Canwest and NYT (whoops that’s not an analogy that’s a direct example).

    Now, feel free to delete this piece of (what you must surely believe to be unwarranted and misplaced) dissent and criticism that should be immediately taken from view – being “off topic” as it is.

    So nice that the defaming of one of our generation’s true heroes who endured unimaginable suffering for his country, is

    “on topic”.

  21. Why do you all think this was a gaffe? Why couldn’t it have been pre-planned by the Obama/Biden campaign?

    They could be immunising themselves against some last minute terror-related incident by drawing a contrast between Obama/Biden and McCain/Palin.

  22. THis is seriously the best McCain can do? The ad makes you think it would be just as dangerous to have Palin on the job! A serious reminder of why the Palin pick nixed the “no experience” card.

  23. John G:

    It’s worth noting (as I did over there) that the report suggesting the video of McCain might be tarnished because he’s smoking comes from Sky News UK.

    So, this egregious example of left-wing bias in the American media a) is British and b) comes from NewsCorp.

  24. Umm, haha I just to make sure we’re all on the same page here. But I don’t exactly get what’s actually bad about what Biden said.

    So Barak Obama will be tested..ok..so? Would not McCain undergo the same test if there’s a crisis? We have no idea what McCain would do.

    If people stop and think, this ad becomes such a moot point. I guess the McCain camp is counting on people to take in the negative imagery and jump to conclusions.

  25. kody,
    you don’t think the possibility that mccain suffers from PTSD as a direct result of the torture he endured in vietnam might make him unfit to be president in exactly the scenario(s) being discussed because of biden’s statement? what makes us so sure he won’t have a panic attack if he feels cornered by foreigners?
    does it make him more fit for office than someone who has not been tortured? furthermore, would someone got shot down over vietnam but managed escaped be more qualified than someone who was captured? what is it exactly that makes him the hero? his service itself? or the fact that he survived being captured and tortured?

    and if torture is such a bad thing, why did he endorse bush’s use of it right up until he realized his campaign couldn’t endure a torture survivor endorsing it as national policy? he recommended the president veto the bill he helped introduce! if torture is a big enough deal for us to call him a war hero, isn’t it a big enough deal to unequivocally denounce it as un-american?

    people happily show respect for mccain’s service to his country, but when he wants to use it as credentials in a job application, the public certainly has the right to question its relationship to the job. not everyone feels that military service trumps all other kinds of public service. many even feel community organizing contributes more positivity to this world than flying a fighter jet while trying to kill people from hundreds of feet up in the air.

  26. kody,
    you don’t think the possibility that mccain suffers from PTSD as a direct result of the torture he endured in vietnam might make him unfit to be president in exactly the scenario(s) being discussed because of biden’s statement? what makes us so sure he won’t have a panic attack if he feels cornered by foreigners?
    does it make him more fit for office than someone who has not been tortured? furthermore, would someone got shot down over vietnam but managed escaped be more qualified than someone who was captured? what is it exactly that makes him the hero? his service itself? or the fact that he survived being captured and tortured?

    and if torture is such a bad thing, why did he endorse bush’s use of it right up until he realized his campaign couldn’t endure a torture survivor endorsing it as national policy? he recommended the president veto the bill he helped introduce! if torture is a big enough deal for us to call him a war hero, isn’t it a big enough deal to unequivocally denounce it as un-american?

    people happily show respect for mccain’s service to his country, but when he wants to use it as credentials in a job application, the public certainly has the right to question its relationship to the job. not everyone feels that military service trumps all other kinds of public service. many even feel community organizing contributes more positivity to this world than flying a fighter jet while trying to kill people from hundreds of feet up in the air.

  27. McCain is a hero, by any definition of the word. I wouldn’t vote for him, but..sorry to be cliche, but it’s true..he is the type of person that fights when called upon to keep our society free. A free society which gives you mopes would never fight to keep, but yet gives you the right to disparage your betters here.

  28. “Is there something I’m missing that makes this make sense?”

    T. Thwim, from what I understand, McCain would have had to publicly denounce the United States first, or at least sign a letter to that effect, before being released. The VietCong weren’t going to let him go just to be nice.

  29. Steve: That can’t be it, because from what I read of his account, they tortured him into writing a letter confessing to various war crimes. Nobody’s ever contended they were letting him go to be nice, even McCain says that he learned later it was to be as leverage against his military father.

    The thing that doesn’t jibe is, if that’s what they wanted him to do, why didn’t they make him do it? They were capable of making him write a letter confessing of being a war criminal, how then, would they have been incapable of making him sign something else?

    Add that into the senate hearings into the vietnam prisoners where it sounds like McCain basically berated a mother looking for information on other prisoners that still might be there, taking it as an affront to his patriotism. http://thinkbridge.blogspot.com/2008/09/did-john-mccain-block-release-of-pow.html

    That kind of defensive reaction doesn’t strike me as the reaction of someone who knows he did his best in there.

  30. Wow, Kody’s cracking up. How dare the MsM go from turning the other way to GWBush’s infractions and flaws and helping pin down a war hero, to suddenly going easy on this neophyte from who knows where?
    What gumption, don’t they know Kody’s up in arms because the guys who screwed the world economy should be the natural screwed government for eternity? And mocking a war hero – by God, next thing they’ll be swift boating him…