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Mr. Dion has a plan


 

From this week’s print edition: my column is built around an interview with Stéphane Dion. I have spent much of the past four months writing more about Stephen Harper than Boswell did about Johnson, so I was happy for a chance to concentrate on the other guy. An excerpt:

“The Conservatives call it Stéphane Dion’s Permanent Tax On Everything. Dion had detailed replies to every question I put to him. He quoted the chief statistician of Norway and economists like Jack Mintz. The danger, during a campaign, may be that Permanent Tax On Everything fits onto a postcard, whereas the chief statistician of Norway would face a tight squeeze.”

As always, there was stuff in the interview that didn’t make it into the final column. I asked Dion about whether he wants Elizabeth May to take part in televised debates; he said he sure does. But others, especially the Conservatives, oppose that because May’s bottom line is that Dion should be the next prime minister instead of Harper, I said. So you’ll have two party leaders onstage who want the Liberal to be prime minister. “That’s her right in a democracy,” he said. “If Jack Layton reaches the same conclusion, we’re not going to bar him from the debates, are we?”

Ah. But is May’s participation a pre-condition of Dion’s? “No. I want to be there.”

I should note that the interview, like almost every conversation I’ve had with Dion over 13 years, took place in French, so I could be the one struggling with accent and vocabulary challenges. Here’s how it all turned out.


 

Mr. Dion has a plan

  1. Shorter than I expected — how long did the interview last?

  2. Paul Do you know if Dion speaks French well? I remember people use to joke about how Chretien couldn’t speak either official language and Dion struggles with English. Are we going to be hearing more Chretien-type jokes if Dion wins election or is his French ok?

  3. Scott: the interview lasted about 45 minutes. The column is my “usual” length, a little over 900 words, but you’re right; we’ve been running a lot of jumbo extra-length Wells columns since I got back from the old country.

    jwl: Dion’s French is impeccable. I’ve heard it speculated that it’s *so* erudite and kind of France-French (more in vocabulary than accent) that he might turn off regular-folks voters in Quebec, but I don’t buy it and when I run that theory past francophone colleagues, they tell me it’s dumb. Dion is obviously having trouble appealing to francophone voters so far, but the way he speaks French isn’t the problem.

  4. Is the press gallery really split that way? Isn’t there just a tiny, little, micro-cabal that’s happy with Dion because they are happy with Harper? :)

  5. conservative journalist? that’s funny.

    Well, I know you think conservatives are all paranoid when we complain about media bias, but how do you explain that there is never a small c conservative ever represented on these so-called journalist panels (ie CTV Question Period, Don Newman). How can a Jim Travers, Craig Oliver, or a Susan Delacourt honestly count?

  6. Plan seems to be working. Dead even in the polls and with some policy to point at when people ask what the Libs stand for. What’s funniest is how Harper has had to disappear his own green plan to make the “it’ll wreck the economy” argument, because he had previously admitted that the Tory scheme would itself imply consumer pain. Now it appears as though he’s back to the old “we don’t give a damn about the environment” line.

  7. I frankly don’t understand what Dion is doing. He defends the Green Shift by basically saying that it’s the right thing to do, and people will need to change. Which is a great approach if you already have a majority government and can ram through whatever legislation you like, knowing that the benefits will pay off (or people will forget) by the time you need to face the electorate again. But it’s a terrible way to sell a program. And in your interview, his sales pitch never seems to get very far away from the speculative.

    When he pulls the plug on Harper, he can pretty much write off support from any energy-producing region of the country: Alberta, Saskatchewan, Nova Scotia, and Newfoundland. Quebeckers already don’t like him very much, and the Liberals have never had much of a presence in BC. So his best hope would be to sweep Ontario, which kept Chretien in power for years. But the Green Shift is making Ontario farmers nervous — and these are people who already voted for Harper in the last election. It’s hard to see any scenario in which the next parliament will look any different than the current one.

  8. Thanks Paul, that’s interesting. I have the impression Francos are more accepting of ‘erudite’ politicians than Anglos are, so that shouldn’t hurt Dion in Quebec at least.

  9. If someone of either party can win an election because their main argument is only a sentence long, we have to ask ourselves if we truly deserve the great democracy we have built for ourselves.

  10. “It’s hard to see any scenario in which the next parliament will look any different than the current one.”

    oh, I can imagine a scenario or two. but they aren’t the kind that makes Liberals happy.

  11. Paul

    Did you ask Dion what his GHG reduction level targets where for each year?

  12. Well said Andrew : I would add though that Dion really has no choice he needed a ‘ Hail Mary ‘ and the only real area the Lib’s can take us Conservatives on is the environment and to give him credit his effort has changed the channel on the media constantly on his case re: leadership issues. Personally as a Harper fan I am not surprised though because as of day one with my boy Stevie in the PM’s chair I could sort of see this coming as one of the most brilliant strategic moves was the PM’s choice of fixing an election date – all the pundits were saying the usual – what was he thinking and terrible move bla bla bla … but look at the consequences, usually in a minority gov’t the media drives the PM to distaction about when will the election be bla bla bla however Stevie deftly manouvered Dion into the corner and allowed the PM to then behave as a PM should and get to work with legislation, then with Dion under the hammer contantly he moves in with a knock out punch a series of confidence motions again always resulting Dion losing his balance not to mention his grip on his own party – brilliant – the result here is new historical record which is about to be played out not only will the PM be the longest serving PM of a minority gov’t in history but also one that got their whole platform legislated and without serious amendments – this boggles the mind! So to wrap things up I hope Dion does try to force an election this fall and I also hope that the PM let’s him as let’s face it it is not just Dion that can force an election because if the NDP decide they can wait until 2009 then that changes things doesn’t it?

  13. Right now I think both parties’s main argument is “We’re not the [insert other party here].” That’s one sentence.

    I think the reason Albertans and Saskatchewanians dislike Dion is because he is a Liberal. We tend to think of the Liberals as The Party That Represents Ontario And Québec.

  14. A for effort, PW, but what is the point ….? (Other than your reputation, since you supported him quite strongly.) This guy is howling at the moon.

  15. Some people are going to get mighty upset once they read that Paul Wells called it the “so-called Green Shift”. That’s got “the Green Shift”-denier written all over it. Is there no end to the media’s conservative bias?

    On a more serious note, did you bother to ask Dion what he is going to do about the BC Carbon Tax? He said he would do something about it in his proposal and I was wondering if that was going to be to allow them to opt out. If yes, would other provinces be allowed to opt out if they applied their own provincial carbon taxes?

    Finally, was this interview before or after Dion’s foray into carbon tariffs? What’s up with that? Is he going to be applying carbon tariffs to American made goods if they don’t get this cap-and-trade up and running after the next election? And what does he mean by poor nations? Is he going to be applying carbon tariffs to Chinese-made goods? I think it would be useful to know before e-day.

  16. The media have pretty much ignored the fact that the Green Shift calls for a tax on jet fuel, diesel fuel and carbon tariff.

    The whole carbon tarriff thing was in the plan from day one and is only starting to get media attention now. No serious scrutiny of a plan that would complicate Canada’s international trade.

    Dion hasn’t received a free ride on his carbon tax so far, but he surely needs to be asked some more serious questions.

  17. And then Dion asked “Paul, will you rub my feet for me?” and Wells obliged after mentioning that he has a huge man-crush on him.

    Then they rode off into the sunset, hand in hand.

  18. Brian – childish. Besides, Wells has given more than his share of kudos to Harper – so your paranoid rant is exactly that…paranoid and childish.

  19. Sandi I agree with you. I think Wells throws the snark and/or praise around evenly, which is how it should be.

  20. Jwl,

    Wells lulls you into thinking that. In fact he is a Reform Party fist in a Moderate glove.

  21. yeah, Lakeshore’s right. Stop not asking the hard questions!
    Like Harper, what’s the deal with your secret nuclear energy plan?
    Hey Harper, your environmental plan is what again?
    Hey Harper, is your litigious strategy exactly the opposite of what you promised, and why since your election have we caught you and now allegedly your party in contravention of election spending laws?
    Darn that ‘liberal-leaning’ media, anyhoo.

  22. Lakeshore.

    Thanks on the Janke Hat tip.

    Janke is one of my favorite bloggers, and like always is on point. but let’s face it, all you have to do in this country is say I will meet kyoto and the PPG will call you a hero. You don’t need a plan you just have to say ya I am with al gore, and the PPG will shill for you.

    Harper should just send out a press realese saying he will meet the 90 level kyoto targets with no plan no nothing and the PPG and the enviromentilist would cheer.

    Well I doubt they would but at least it would make Dion actualy have to come up with a realistic plan. Not some 40 odd page gibberish, that has nothng to do with the enviroment and more to do with getting back the 2 percent cut in the GST.

    But come out with a realistic plan with targets that are reasonable and you are a denier…

  23. Dan in van says

    “Hey Harper, your environmental plan is what again?”

    You understand there is this thing called the government website right?

    http://www.ec.gc.ca/doc/virage-corner/2008-03/541_eng.htm

    Now I could careless about climate change I am more concerned with conservation and smog which Harper actualy deals with.

    If you don’t think the CPC is doing nothing on the enviroment I suggest you start with this Web page and go from there. And also for people who do care about the enviroment and it is not some fad with them, there is more to the enviroment then climate change.

    http://www.ec.gc.ca/default.asp?lang=En&n=714D9AAE-1

  24. Sandi

    I agree with you Wells is fair. And also I believe he is the best politcal writer in Canada.

    No matter who you favor he can write a good article on them, but he can also tear them apart, and his sword cuts both ways. But it is always a good read.

  25. Yeah, Mr. Dion has a plan. He wants to try and get through the summer without everyone talking about his hapless tenure as leader. So far, so good.

  26. What a good interview. And a reminder why bilingual reporters are so important. If it was a bit weird to see Dion quoted in grammatical sentences, it only reminds me of how the press corps has seemed to take a rather malignant pleasure in literally transcribing M. Dion in English. Bravo Maclean’s.

  27. My biggest critism of Wells…

    Is the chandler bing shirt he was wearing on the Brooooooodcast, just before it ended for the season. lol.

  28. Oh come on, JK, that’s a great shirt.

  29. I can see how May being Dion’s cheerleeder in debates could work to his advantage, but that’s assuming she can stay on message. This is the politician who decried Canadian soldiers for their “christian crusader heititage.” She could prove an easy target for Conservative attack dogs and a needless liabilty for Dion.

  30. I’d like to see more than 900 words out of this, if you can do that at some point.

    Also, for jwl & others: I’m just a maudit anglophone at heart, but I find Dion comes off as very intelligent and professorial in the (admittedly few) French interviews I’ve seen him in. Eloquent, well-stated sentences, etc. That works for some people, not for others, just like it would if you sounded like a professor in English.

    Or, you know, if you sounded like the former Director of a Human Rights Policy research center.

  31. I can’t remember the shirt so it couldn’t have been all that bad. If it was, it would be implanted in the memory bank like Harper’s awful leather cowboy vest

  32. Dennis raises an important point. I believe no prime minister has ever amended a plan before, and Dion would be setting a dangerous precedent by doing so. Harper’s close consultation with the provinces in implementing an equalization policy that perfectly matched his campaign promises; his steadfast refusal to tax income trusts; and the health-care wait times guarantee that all Canadians enjoy today are only a few of the ways he has led by example in the careful implementation of sacred election promises. I absolutely agree that if you want a prime minister who will not be swayed by caucus suggestions, Dion is the wrong guy to vote for.

  33. …and his heartfelt insistence that the only issue on softwood lumber was “enforcement”, and that special envoys would be appointed who would recover every cent Canada was owed.

  34. So, Dion has already changed his plan? Is that what you’re saying? I’m just trying to figure out what policy we’re actually supposed to be discussing here.

    Does it have a tariff or not? Does it have an income tax cut or not?

    Which parts of it are going to be edited by whom and when?

    Will the caucus get back to us tomorrow? I’m confused.

  35. Dennis, in a less tongue in cheek vein, your comment has a bad link in it. Please feel free to post the link you meant to post — to your blog, I presume?

  36. On an unrelated note, will there be comments for the current Barbara Amiel piece?

    please please please please please please please please?

  37. Dennis I was wondering if Dion planned to somehow implement the carbon tariff on Canada because we are one the worst countries in the world as far as carbon emissions are concerned.

    As well, if he Dion implements the tariff on Chinese goods, the prices of all that cheap tat we get will go up. How will that help Dion’s poverty plan?

  38. It does smack of protectionism a bit. That being said, tariffs (generally) don’t result in major cost increases. I would be surprised if that $20 DVD player goes up more than $0.50.

    It all depends on the rate. I guess the idea is to make a level playing field for companies producing products in Canada. Seeing as the carbon tax, at least for the first 4 years, is very small, I would expect the tariffs would be equally small.

  39. I’ll answer the initial question about Dion’s French, based on what my wife and in-laws (natives from Québec City) tell me all the time: Dion’s French is unacceptable to real true-blue Quebeckers. It’s not that it’s “bad”, but people simply don’t relate to his version of French.

  40. As for the carbon tariffs, clearly the most insane ideas we’ve heard in a very long time in this country.

    Michael Hart, a professor, calls Dion’s ideas on that “bafflegab” and even “crazy”.

    Dion, it seems, wants to start a “World Trade War”.

  41. Good article, although I would have liked more.

    I think you (and other media) are making a mistake when you talk about the “permanent tax on everything”. I don’t think anybody outside Ottawa other than close political observers have heard that. “Green Shift” and “Carbon Tax” are the only lines that the average person I know seems to remember.

    As for the guy from Norway, that doesn’t need to be on a card. That is just for the media and third-party organizations to hear. Once they are convinced, most people will just trust their judgement in the resulting reports and endorsements.

  42. I am afraid you are very mistaken there Jason : I just received an email from my parents who live in Grand Forks BC : (you don’t get much more out of the way and rural than this place) and the community is fuming mad and very busy organizing AXE The Tax protests and calling in their political markers as it has quite a few NDP supporters in that area judging from what I hear both Dion and Campbell (Premier BC) and anything with a title Liberal would do better to hide for awhile until emotions cool off!

  43. Kyoto was about transferring our wealth,nothing less. Media concentration:Global warming/green/with Dion’s plan of tax by surcharge to pay into the Ottawa coffers re emission controls.Green is the IN motto these days – but when Dion’s plan hits the green dollars in ones wallet – that’s the real Hit!!
    No one questions the usage of the atom bomb, the plutonium and uranium, etc used these past many years as probably a major cause of Global warming. Scientist Stephen Hawking discounts most of the global hype. Could it not be the natural evolution of mother earth, as in past times? West has yet to forget the plunder by Ottawa. Never can it be forgotten how former Premier Lougheed fought to keep Alberta’s natural resources in 1981-82 re the new Constitution. As for Dion’s economic plan? The West hasn’t forgotten the last plunder re FIRA and the following disastrous economic consequences. Kyoto would have been the same – for all of Canada. Common sense should rule the day. Hopefully there is some within this governmental body.

  44. Common sense in Canada is in extremely short supply — everywhere. You’re wishing for something almost impossible, Marlene, especially when politicians are concerned (doesn’t matter which party).

    But Dion and his recent plans really take the cake when it comes to having no common sense at all.

  45. “I guess the idea is to make a level playing field for companies producing products in Canada.”

    Well, if that is the idea then it doesn’t smack of protectionism a bit. It smacks of it alot. Why don’t we level the playing field for the cost of labour and other tax rates while we’re at it. Why should we only level the playing field for carbon emissions?

    The Liberals would be much better to argue that this a way of pressuring China, Brazil, India, Korea, etc. to actually do something about carbon emissions. The problem with that argument is that it assumes a Canada going it alone strategy would effect decisions in China or India (is Canada that significant of a trading partner?). If they want to go that way, they would be much better off in saying that they will negotiate with other nations who have moved to price carbon to develop a carbon tariff that is the same for all participating countries.

  46. Just when Dennis (second thots) figured he had Dion cornered, Paul Wells, Stephane’s knight in shining armour, comes to the rescue with the “Your Guy Too” defense.

    And we all lived happily ever after.

  47. Well, the “Your Guy Too” argument doesn’t apply here for a number of reasons. Maybe my lack of proper link added to the confusion.

  48. The “your guy too” argument never negates the original criticism, but is handy for adding perspective and levity. It’s certainly true that the biggest danger facing Dion’s Permanent Tax On Everything (not the most probable, but the most devastating to Dion if it were to happen) is that his own caucus will eat the plan alive before he even gets a chance to put it to voters.

  49. I’d suggest the “your guy too” is more particularly compelling in this case because the promises of this government were rather specifically “we’re not like them”.

    Liberal, Tory, same old story.

  50. Very True Paul : I would also add that this screwy idea of a tax grab only re-inforces an existing problem that the Liberal Party has not seemed able to deal with and that is the rural – urban split and right now as it stands I would not be a prospective Liberal MP in a rural community for all the tea in china. This is putting a lot of pressure on the caucus and if Dion is not very careful not only will it eat this plan alive but if there is someone (no names mentioned)in the LPC that has leadership ideas (nudge nudge wink wink) then it provides them with a wedge of considerable weight to leverage at the next LPC leadership convention which might be or is (I’m not sure here)in December?. Judging by a common theme I am hearing and seeing RE: maybe Iggy or Bobby would be a better fight against my boy Stevie! (PS: this concerns me as between you, me and the wall I really do not see Dion being sucessful against Harper)

  51. T. Thwim, are you of the belief that any government that breaks any promises is as bad as a government that breaks most of them?

    Again, by my count, the Tories have been very good at keeping their major promises, and pretty good at keep their less major promises.

    Don’t quite know where this notion comes from that the Tories are major promise breakers. Although I will admit that Harper did his best to raise expectations on that score by howling and screaming about anything and everything while leading the opposition.

    OK, so we’re now full-blown into “your guy too” territory, and off-topic, too. Yay.

  52. Brian will be very upset that you’re not concentrating on my shameful, torrid man-love for Dion. Eyes on the ball, people!!!!

  53. Anyone observing the sorry display of campaigning and communicating provided by the Liberals this summer will probably reach only one conclusion: The Liberals must be crazy, or they must not really want to be re-elected.

    It all started with Liberal leader Stéphane Dion’s Green Shift plan, which provides for a carbon tax and offsetting income-tax cuts. The trouble with this shift is that it doesn’t really do anything, or much anyway, for the environment. As other Liberals have admitted, including one Member of Parliament, the Green Shift plan is not about the environment at all but about redistributing wealth from one end of the country to the other.

    Mr. Dion took quite the pounding from all sides for his plan – from Conservatives, the NDP and even environmentalists. Yet, to his credit, he soldiers on. However, the hole he has already dug for himself isn’t quite deep enough yet, so he has decided to pick up the shovel one more time to do some more digging.

    As he descended deeper and deeper into his Saddam-Hussein-like hole, the lack of oxygen must have triggered some hallucinations, with some ghostly voices whispering into his ear, “Stéphane, listen to us. We have an even better idea for you that you can take to the Canadian people.”

    This idea involves “carbon tariffs”, import duties slapped on products from countries that, in Mr. Dion’s estimation, don’t do enough to fight global warming. Experts in trade law and, generally, those with common sense were quick to label his latest idea as “bafflegab” and “crazy”. It is not hard to see why they would say such things.

    Not only would such a move trigger a trade war with the U.S., because such tariffs would be a clear violation of the NAFTA agreement, but one with many other countries around the world as well on whose business Canada depends to keep its economy going. The U.S. would doubtless be among Mr. Dion’s first targets, even though America’s record on greenhouse gases and environmental protection has been much better than Canada’s for years, but that wouldn’t stop Mr. Dion from making contrary claims.

    Those tariffs would also increase the prices of such imported goods for Canadian consumers, which is hardly welcome with the economy on its way down and inflation pushing up prices high enough as it is. Voters in Canada are usually quite malleable as long as political messages involve some lofty ideas and principles, but when they get hit in the wallet – and this is where it really hurts – even the mostly passive Canadian electorate will become agitated enough to do serious harm to any party that suggests such nonsense.

    What must be really galling to Liberals is that there is no need, or justification, for Mr. Dion to be touring the country now and spreading his message. As party insiders have said, “Everything that is being discussed this summer is not being written in stone.” Why, then, go around the country and talk about hypothetical and vague ideas that are “not written in stone” and only serve to upset and frustrate everyone? Didn’t Mr. Dion’s advisers tell him that this would be counterproductive? Oh, yes, that’s right, Mr. Dion never listens to anyone.

    The NDP, too, is visibly aggravated by Mr. Dion’s plans. Nathan Cullen, an NDP MP, said Mr. Dion is “jeopardizing the entire climate debate by making it look ridiculous.” Indeed, he is. It remains to be seen how long Mr. Dion can go on like this before Green Party leader Elizabeth May sends him a Dear-John letter to inform him that their friendship is over. For it seems that the biggest stumbling block to the debate on global warming and environmental issues is none other than Mr. Dion himself.

  54. Funny, wasn’t it Dion himself who mentioned that America probably wouldn’t be affected as both presidential candidates have said they plan to price carbon as well. Ah well, truth be damned, full steam ahead, right?

    As for the man-love, since Feschuk has now shown us the future of Dion with the Magnum Moustache of Magnificence, can you really blame him?

  55. Werner, save the essay for your own URL… remember it is a comment section. And by the way, there are people on the left who don’t think that highly of Jack Layton’s positioning.

  56. My apologies Mr. Patels, but after reading your essay, I instinctively thought of Hogan’s Heroes (Werner Klemperer as Col. Klink)

  57. “Shuuuulzzzz!”

  58. Shouldn’t you comment only if you actually have something to contribute on the topic at hand? It would also nice if you didn’t hide behind a “Dot” like a coward.

  59. Blues Clair:

    Thanks for the link. This proves that Dion is moving even further to the left than the NDP — and let’s not forget that Dion’s favourite subject of study has always been Marxist.

  60. Oops, too fast: this should have been “Marxism” (I suppose I was thinking of what Dion really is …).

  61. By the way, “Dot”, I am not German — far from it, in fact. Let’s just hope that no German reading this files a human rights complaints against your stereotyping.

  62. OK Werner, “a debate” on the issues. I was hoping this would engage you.

    You spout drivel about the US and NAFTA. True, Canada’s export trade is in the order of 85% to the the US, but if you took some time to try and understand trade issues, rather than taking the Pavlovian response, you might have a more enlightened view.

    This Dion policy on carbon taxing imports, in my opinion, is in response to the Harper/Baird position that taking action on climate change (reducing CO2 emissions) is not worth undertaking unless China/India is involved in a post Kyoto agreement.

    I doubt very highly that it has anything to do with US exports/imports, and come Can Fed election, when perhaps the direction of the US election has been decided (if it hasn’t already) we (as Canadians) may find our exports are subject to similar trade tariffs (are you familiar with California’s efforts to impose such tariff’s on Alberta oilsands production).

    I don’t care to elaborate further, as this is a comment section, but someone, it appears, rang the bell, and you, by conditioned response, salivated.

  63. Sorry, Dot, but I am allergic to Marxists and their ilk. And I will not allow this dreck to be installed in Canada.

  64. Wells says

    “Oh come on, JK, that’s a great shirt.”

    LMAO, yes,yes it was…

    Sandi says

    ” If it was, it would be implanted in the memory bank like Harper’s awful leather cowboy vest”

    LOL.

    Come on Sandi lets be real, nothng was as bad as that outfitt. And I am Harpermaniac.

  65. Manners, everyone, please.

  66. Oops. I was referring to the thread above JK’s last comment.

  67. JK,

    I’m not as knowledgeable on US politics as others (I still watch McLaughlin Group) and I note in the last session all predicted at least a five seat swing from Republican to Democrats in the November 2008 election (1/3 of 50 contested?), so I’m not so sure change is not underway on climate etc. One would think many Dems would be running on this platform of increased environmental awareness/responsibility.

    Nevertheless, at a State level, where many environmental decisions will be made (similar to Canada I believe), it may be a different story.

    Certainly, the environmental lobby in the US at the Municipal, State, and Fed level to target Alberta oilsands production has not gone unnoticed, particularly by oilsands producers.

    Many producers, I suspect, may welcome a Dion-like carbon tax if asked, if they haven’t stated as much already. All can afford it – they just need the laws/regulations to implement it. Shareholders would demand less, otherwise.

  68. 1/3 of 100 (not 50) I meant

  69. Thanks for the response Dot.

    I just don’t believe Dion’s Plan is about the enviroment. To me it is about getting the 2 percent GST cut back to pay for his spending promises.

    Dot says..

    “Certainly, the environmental lobby in the US at the Municipal, State, and Fed level to target Alberta oilsands production has not gone unnoticed, particularly by oilsands producers.”

    Any amrican saying they hate are resurce riches knowing the deal they have with NAFTA is pandering(which I understand).

    Dot says…

    “Nevertheless, at a State level, where many environmental decisions will be made (similar to Canada I believe), it may be a different story.”

    I think your right on that but I am not a 100 percents sure on it.

    Just to be frank I think the CPC stole the origanel liberal climatre change policy. And Dion to try to make him self different came up wih this crazy plan.

    Who knows, intill the next election all of us ae right.

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