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Mulcair’s secret meetings with the Tories

Talks with the PMO in 2007 about a job broke down over money, sources say. Mulcair says it was different sticking point.


 

NDP leader Mulcair speaks in the House of Commons in OttawaNDP Leader Thomas Mulcair was in discussions in 2007 to join the Conservative party as a senior adviser to Prime Minister Stephen Harper, discussions that several sources, including former senior Harper staffers, say was the first step in securing Mulcair to run as a Conservative candidate in 2008.

The negotiations between the Conservative government and the man who is today leader of the left-leaning official Opposition allegedly broke down over money: Mulcair wanted nearly double what Harper’s office offered, two sources tell Maclean’s.

Contacted Monday for comment, Mulcair says conversations about an advisory role with the government did occur, but talks broke down, not over money, but over the Conservatives’ environmental policies. Mulcair at the time had recently resigned as environment minister in Jean Charest’s Quebec Liberal government.

Mulcair says he was first approached by Quebec Conservative MP Lawrence Cannon in 2006 to join the party, and that discussions focused on joining the National Round Table on the Environment and the Economy, a government advisory agency. Mulcair says he followed up with Cannon’s chief of staff, Paul Therrien, and, finally, with Harper’s office.

“My last exchange was with then chief of staff Ian Brodie, who was also looking at an advisory position. The only subject was Kyoto and climate change. He made it clear that my support for Kyoto would have to change. That, for me, was out of the question. This was our last conversation. Our talks broke off on climate change,” Mulcair tells Maclean’s. (Cannon, currently Canada’s ambassador to France, didn’t respond to a request for comment. Update: He did respond on Tuesday.)

According to sources, Mulcair contacted senior Prime Minister’s Office (PMO) staff to request a meeting with Harper in early 2007. Brodie briefed the Prime Minister and had several of the initial conversations with Mulcair. Brodie passed the file to Harper’s press secretary, Dimitri Soudas, who was tasked with negotiating Mulcair’s title and salary.

“All had been agreed upon. He would be a senior adviser to the Prime Minister on the Environment, and would run for us in the next election. Everything was pretty much agreed to,” Soudas said Monday. The Prime Minister was briefed on these negotiations, Soudas adds.

“In 2007, Mr. Mulcair approached the government and had conversations about employment as an adviser to the PMO,” a source with knowledge of the discussions tells Maclean’s. “He was seeking more money than the government was willing to offer.”

The sticking point, Soudas says, was salary. Soudas says he was authorized to go up to $180,000 a year without getting prior authorization from Harper. “He told me he wanted $300,000 a year and that was his bottom line and, basically, I got back to him, saying I couldn’t go higher that $180,000, and I never heard back from him ever again. Two or three months later, he made the jump to the NDP,” Soudas, who has since left the Conservatives, tells Maclean’s.

Mulcair denies negotiating with Soudas. “I absolutely never spoke with Mr. Soudas at the time,” he says. “I had no intention of running for the Conservatives.

“At the time, I was also weighing a substantial offer from a top law firm to join their environment section that was well beyond anything available in public service or with a party. More to the point, though, money was never the issue, because I was still interested in serving my fellow citizens.”

Mulcair joined the NDP in April 2007. Five months later, he won a by-election in the Montreal riding of Outremont. By winning his seat in the 2008 election, he became the first NDP MP to be elected in Quebec in a general election. He was re-elected in 2011.

His federal political success was due in part to Mulcair’s green-friendly narrative. A longtime provincial politician in his native Quebec, he served as environment minister in Jean Charest’s government from 2003 to 2006. “He resigned from cabinet on a matter of principle after he refused to sign an order that would have transferred lands in Mont Orford Provincial Park to private condominium developers,” reads his NDP biography, in part.

The Conservative government’s environmental stance was well-known in 2007. As leader of a minority government—the Conservatives first assumed office in February 2006—Harper had already distanced his government from the country’s commitments to the Kyoto Protocol, an international treaty aiming to reduce global greenhouse-gas emissions.

Recruiting Mulcair to the CPC would have been a coup for the party, which had few roots in Quebec and even fewer in its biggest city. “Montreal was a bit of a desert for us,” Soudas says. Mulcair was an ideal candidate: a fluently bilingual Montrealer, he was also known for his deftness with a sound bite and general ferocity against political foes.

This last bit was apparently enough to turn off Quebec Conservatives at the time. “He had this aura around him. Everyone was wary about him because of his attitude and temperament,” a former Conservative organizer in Quebec told Maclean’s.

Maclean’s first heard of Mulcair’s negotiations with the PMO several months ago, but was only able to confirm the details recently. Neither the government, the Conservative party nor Soudas approached Maclean’s about Mulcair’s negotiations. Soudas worked for Harper and the Conservatives in a number of functions. Most recently, he served as executive director of the Conservative Party of Canada, a role he was forced to give up after he allegedly worked on the campaign of Eve Adams, with whom he is romantically involved. Today, apart from being a “proud volunteer” for Adams’s Liberal nomination campaign in the federal riding of Eglinton-Lawrence, Soudas is COO of the International Economic Forum of the Americas. He also runs the Stampede Group, a consulting agency.

In a sense, Mulcair has been exactly the kind of success story for the NDP as he might have been for the Conservatives. The party has largely maintained its support in Quebec, despite a crop of largely inexperienced rookie MPs elected in 2011, and the death of Jack Layton that same year. Recent polls suggest a surging NDP across the country.

As leader of the Opposition, Mulcair has been forthright and prolific in his criticism of the Harper government, particularly on the environmental file. “Our plan is one that ensures sustainable prosperity. It will create jobs, grow Canada’s economy and protect the environment. We will reverse the damage that Stephen Harper has done,” the NDP leader said recently.

In response to questions about his 2007 discussions with the PMO, Mulcair says: “I made my choice to join Jack Layton’s NDP, the party closest to my values. I made that choice at a time when the NDP had never won a seat in a federal general election in Quebec. I’m glad I did. I imagine some of my adversaries wish I hadn’t.”


 

Mulcair’s secret meetings with the Tories

  1. Neither the government, the Conservative party nor Soudas approached Maclean’s about Mulcair’s negotiations.

    So it was a Liberal, and not even Soudas, who’s pushing this angle? The Liberals are running scared and doing everything they can to change the momentum. But whoever this ham-fisted Warren Kinsella-type they got to do the job really screwed the pooch on this one.

    • Though, I guess it could theoretically be all from Soudas. He tells the story to some other anonymous Liberal, say perhaps Eve Adams, and she brings it to MacLeans. She says Soudas knows details, and can confirm. He gladly does.

      Either way, the Liberals look really gross right now.

      • So if this was Trudeau, we would be having a different discussion about ones integrity I guess. Mulcair is a Moocher, and will be nothing but a Moocher. Right now Mulcair is what I would call ‘A Pig, With Lipstick On it’. As ‘Robert Blake the actor of the TV series ‘Baretta’ would always say, “You can take that to the bank”.

        • The salary demands he made fit in with the rumours that Mulcair has re mortgaged his house numerous times in order to survive economically.

          The difference in stories about what really happened also fit because Mulcair has been making some very exagerated comments lately as he panders for votes. It also gives some resonance to the other rumours that the NDP and Cons quietly work together to destroy the Liberals. I hope this gets a lot of play.

          • Mulcair has remortgaged his house numerous times in order to survive economically

            Any sources for that rumour? It’s the first time I hear of it.

      • This story is not news. It was known at the time that Mulcair approached or was approached by the Conservatives. The Soudas quotes might be new, but there was always dispute about who aborted the relationship, and why. Other than being the provincial party Mulcair abandoned, the Liberals had nothing to do with this.

        • Every time I see an anonymous face mask on twitter protesting C-51, I see an NDP protester, with Tom Mulcairs head on the back of it.

  2. Doesn’t surprise me a bit. He’s always struck me as an opportunist. What kind of a person refinances their house to 5 times its original value (11 different times?). While most Canadian’s were trying to figure off how to pay themselves out of debt, he’s busy trying to spend other people’s money. When the media starts to shine it’s bright light on him, the shine will quickly come off.

  3. This article goes to the proof. Mulcair lacks the personal character to attain the office of Prime Minister. He is nothing more than a self promoting, individual lacking in the fibre required for leadership

    • We’ve had a self-serving sociopath as PM for the past nine years. Your point?

      • Keith,

        A self-serving PM would have enriched himself by now…you know, sort of like what Jean Chretien and Paul Martin did when they had power? As far as I can tell….Harper’s only source of income is his salary. No hotels….no shipping empire, and no sponsorshipp money waiting in an offshore account when he retires.

        You may not like him, but Harper actually earns his money. He doesn’t use his position to get wealthy as do the LIberals.

        That being said, if Harper loses the next election, I would still rather see Mulcair as PM than Trudeau. Even though he’s NDP, I think Mulcair understands that a functioning economy doesn’t depend on a nice smile and pretty hair. budgets really don’t balance themselves.

        • Sigh. I know I am wasting my time pointing out your lies, since you already know they are lies, but here goes anyway.

          Martin had a shipping empire before he entered politics. Chretien did not put any sponsorship money into offshore accounts, nor is there even one scintilla of evidence either personally received any money from sponsorship – because they didn’t.

          When Harper is no longer PM, he will suddenly be making much more money than he ever did as PM, sitting on various boards etc. He will parlay his time as PM into a lucrative career outside politics.

        • Then pray tell, explain to all of us how Harper has accumulated a net worth of $5,000,000 from being a career politician with no real employment history.

          Harper should let us all know how to become a millionaire being a politician.

          • If that is correct, then it is quite interesting. Can you provide some evidence of Harper having a net worth of $5,000,000?

          • Jim R…you have no rely button but google ‘stephen harper’s net worth’ and take your pick of the many links

  4. In 2007 the Environmental Roundtable had credibility – to add a Liberal Environment Minister who quit over a matter of principle would have been a coup.
    Cannon knew Mulcair from their Quebec political days.
    The fact that Mulcair was a provincial small Liberal – unlike our corrupt big L Liberals here in BC – in a province where there was no provincial NDP is understandable for any one who knows Quebec politics.
    This planted story could backfire on both the Liberals and the Conservatives!

    • Mulcair is nothing more than a snake oil salesman, If the wind is blowing in his favor, you will see his nose follow it, and the author is nothing more than liberal hater like the jilted liberal lover Warren Kinsella, and This Hour, who now, like this author carries the torch for the NDP. Tom Mulcair withheld information from the Quebec criminal inquiry, after having an encounter with one of the Mafias inside bagmen, the only thing missing from Tom’s conversation were the envelopes he may have receive stuffed full of cash. Remember Mulcair had some serious mortgage problems during his time as an MP sliming his way through the political system in Quebec and since he has been in Ottawa, the MSM been asking him nothing but questions about Harper and Trudeau, and not bothering him about his policies and how he will pay for them, that’s Mulcairs weakness the media seems to allow him to get away from, by asking him tough questions.

      • ” If the wind is blowing in his favor, you will see his nose follow it…”

        See Trudeau and C-51.

        • The real hypocrite on C-51 is Mulcair. His party voted against ALL of the Liberal/Green amendments in committee while continuing to make political hay over the Liberals’ vote in the Commons. And that was back when he was calling for amendments, before his flip-flop to wanting to appeal C-51. At least the Liberal stance brought some changes, such as removing protest and stopping CSIS from having police powers. Mulcair achieved nothing.

          • Has he actually even said he would repeal the bill? Last I heard he said he would repeal every offensive part of the bill.

    • Ron Faris is well known NDP troll seen everywhere promoting the party

  5. Wow. Not sure I would’ve believed this is Mulcair didn’t admit to it. How does somebody who would end up leading the NDP seek out a job with the Harper Conservatives? You couldn’t get 2 more polar opposite political parties in Canada. This makes no sense.

    • hes just not sure of what he stands for,hes just not ready?

    • He did it, and it’s not a lie. He’s nothing more than a ‘Uriah Heep’ of the Dickens novel, if he gets at the treasuries books, you can kiss this countries economy good bye, he will be no different than the guy already in there. Someone tell me some of the big accomplishments Mulcalir made in this 27 years of being in politics other than cutting deals to work for the a party that served his needs and better interests, he’s a shyster, and collected a government check all his life, he is nothing more than an opportunist of a grandiose scale.

      • Need to work on your spelling mate.

        • And that is relevant because???

  6. For a guy who is said to have been after money it is sure difficult to understand why he would have chosen to go with the NDP. Not only that but there was not guarantee of anything if he had gone to the NDP. Meanwhile going to the Conservative would have made it easier for him to get appointed as a cabinet minister if he won his seat as an MP. And if he did not like the Conservatives he would have gone to the Federal Liberals. It looks more if he was being recruited by the Conservative is was to be the replacement for the other Liberal Cabinet minister that went to the Conservatives after the 2006 election for a ministerial seat, David Emerson who was not planning to run in the 2008 election.

  7. Mulcair went on the record years ago about the fact that he spoke with all three political parties. This is not news.

    And Mulcair eventually chose to run for a party that NEVER won a seat in a general election in Quebec. That is not opportunism.

    Soudas’ comments seem like pure fabrication, and if anyone is an opportunist it’s him. The Liberals “acquired” him when Eve strolled over and now they’re running scared.

      • It is spelled “you’re”. And I don’t believe I am.

        • Is that your best, criticize my spelling. You know the truth hurts, especially when you go after another persons comment because of misspelling. I would never criticize another persons spelling or writing, I only criticize their point of view, I don’t care how many misspells are their as long they made their point a little clear, and I can read between the lines. Not everyone writing messages here are Rhode Scholars(did I spell that right), but have very good points of view, if you over look the misspells. Just a little nugget of information for you my friend, a good portion of voters who are voting in this next election, never read a book in their lives or spelled their names, but are very good at judging a book by its cover. I never got much education growing up like most here who write comments and write blogs, but what did develop and hone over my life experience, is how to judge a persons character, and I have become an expert at it, and Tom Mulcair doesn’t have the character that I want to see as a PM. He is a Tin star candidate and not a 5 star candidate.

    • It is opportunism. At the time the LPC were dead or dying in most of Quebec, as they were in the rest of Canada. It was widely believed by many they would die a slow and painful death, but die they would.

      The CPC helped Mulcair get elected by encouraging their voters to either stay home or vote for him in the by-election.

      I am not sure why so many NDP supporters insists on making Mulcair out to be some heroic saviour. He is a politician and he behaves like a politician. That does not make him better or worse than any other politician out there.

  8. Authors like Marty Partriquin has no clue about a person character, and a lot others just like him. Tom Mulcair has the personality of a Viper, and that’s what this country needs to get rid of right now. Too much lipstick on this article. The problem is, the dippers suffer the same problem most crook pious part, they hate admitting to denial. Angry reporters trying to justify Angry Tom.

  9. A former Quebec Liberal, who talked to the Harper Conservatives and is now leader of the NDP. The convenience of this story at this time for the Liberals is the delivery that Trudeau knew when he accepted Eve Adams as an MP. Harper’s Conservatives are piling on Trudeau with limited success.. So the real battle will be between the NDP and the Liberals!! Who knew??

  10. “Maclean’s first heard of Mulcair’s negotiations with the PMO several months ago, but was only able to confirm the details recently. Neither the government, the Conservative party nor Soudas approached Maclean’s about Mulcair’s negotiations. ” Mulcair is starting to soar in the polls, and there to the NDP, with the Federal Election around the corner, and it’s just now that this information is confirmed? and it seems imparative that the author wants to make sure we don’t think the Conservatives or Liberals are behind this. What the article really tells me, is the authors political views. And confirms that there is no such thing as unbiased journalism on his part.

    • I disagree. Mulcair has been planting a different story than this, with different variations, all along. It was time a good journalist looked into the facts and brought them forward. That is what Patriquin has done.

      • @TerryQuinn: I’ve already responded to Mikaelle but just wanted to stress: I agree and your assessment of Mulcair is bang-on, as far as I’m concerned.

        P.S. Don’t know which part of Canada you hail from but I’m a Quebecer and some of us are rather “jaded” with respect to the twists and turns Tom Mulcair’s political career has taken over the years, especially the past decade.

      • And how is it that you know which version of events is “facts”?

  11. Ready – Willing – Able , “NDP now favored in new polls and seat projection

    In the first update since the site went on hiatus two weeks ago, the New Democrats are now leading in both the vote and seat projections for the first time since 2012.

    It was quite a two weeks to be away, as it featured some of the most dramatic swings in voting intentions we’ve seen since the immediate aftermath of Justin Trudeau’s Liberal leadership victory. Coupled with the NDP’s surge into first place in every poll conducted by a gaggle of pollsters using every methodology under the sun was the return of Gilles Duceppe as leader of the Bloc Québécois, jarring the race in Quebec as well.

    The NDP now leads in the poll average with 32.4%, an increase of over three points since the pre-hiatus projection update. The neocons have dropped a little more than one point to 28.9%, while the Liberals are down a little less than one point to 27.4%. The Bloc has moved ahead of the Greens with 5.2% to 4.9%.”

    308 . com 29 June 2015 https://tinyurl.com/cxc4ecb

  12. Ready – Willing – Able , “NDP now favored in new polls and seat projection

    In the first update since the site went on hiatus two weeks ago, the New Democrats are now leading in both the vote and seat projections for the first time since 2012.

    It was quite a two weeks to be away, as it featured some of the most dramatic swings in voting intentions we’ve seen since the immediate aftermath of Justin Trudeau’s Liberal leadership victory. Coupled with the NDP’s surge into first place in every poll conducted by a gaggle of pollsters using every methodology under the sun was the return of Gilles Duceppe as leader of the Bloc Québécois, jarring the race in Quebec as well.

    The NDP now leads in the poll average with 32.4%, an increase of over three points since the pre-hiatus projection update. The neocons have dropped a little more than one point to 28.9%, while the Liberals are down a little less than one point to 27.4%. The Bloc has moved ahead of the Greens with 5.2% to 4.9%.”

    threehundredeight.com

  13. Justin Trudeau and his new pal Dmitri Soudas running a smear campaign on Mulcair?

    Justin, doing Liberal politics the same old way.

    • Which is still a full step below the sleazy way Harper does politics

  14. So, why is this piece written from the point of the Liberal Staffer?!

    And, did If Mr. Mulcair acknowledged the meetings and discussions about an working with the government in an advisory capacity… Then how is that exactly JOINING the Conservatives.

    And why is MacLeans acting as a mouth piece for the Liberal Party?!

    Last thing… The Liberals questioning another leaders loyalties based on their willingness to engage with others outside of their political ideologies… THAT’S IS PART OF WHY THEY CAN’T WIN. Parliament is not supposed to be a den for partisan schills, there is supposed to be debate and conflict and conversations that improve the culture of policy creation.

    Part of the reason their promises can’t be trusted, because their self-motivation and entitlement will always beat their principle (showing a lack of).

    Shame on you Macleans, and shame on you, Martin Patriquin… Irresponsible headlines again.

    • What??? Sources come forth….more than one Lib. saying the sticking point was money and it is ‘shame on Macleans’. Do you know what investigative journalism is about?

  15. Liberals (or Conservatives) have to be really careful, that when you try and smear someone, it doesn’t come out as looking gross and irresponsible. At the time, Harper hadn’t gutted our environmental policy to any degree, so being an advisor to him seems perfectly sane, even heroic.

  16. Some of you people are very naive.

    Here is the thing. Mulcair is a politician. That means he engages in politics. That means his history in politics is fair game.

    If you seriously think reporting on something like this is unique to the NDP, you need to go back and read some history.

    Otherwise, suck it up.

  17. So Mulcair, a Québec Liberal (along with Charest and the rest who were Conservatives in all but the name) was approached/approached the Cons. Harper was a Lib when he was younger and was/still is a member of the Heritage Front who advocated for Alberta’s separation. And now the new news????

  18. Well well well, one of them is lying, is it Soudas or is it Mulcair? Judging from this timed smear the LPC have been waiting to reveal, I’m going w/ Soudas. Even if it wasn’t Soudas, makes no dif. Mulcair could have turned down the $ offer from the cons, but Justin Trudeau voted for C-51 for Free.

    • Good to know one of our party leaders isn’t in it for the money, then.

  19. Let’s assume that these liberals and former – conservatives, are lying through their teeth.

    The defamation laws in this country are much more complainant friendly, and arbitrary, than in countries which really accept and enforce freedom of speech.

    Regardless, I would find, that on a balance of probabilities, that Mr. NDP was swayed by power and money and not “principles. I would further find that the offer of 180,000.00 a year was insufficient to buy him because he found a more lucrative offer.

    So he moved onwards and has done very well.

    Thus I would conclude he is no different from Brian Mulroney.

  20. I see MacLeans & The Globe are both running stories about Mulcair’s old talks with Tories, presenting them as if this is actual news, as in”shocking new revelations.” No. In fact, it’s old news reported widely before, & Mulcair did extensive interviews asking him questions about it years ago. The Star’s March, 2012 piece on the subject, findable online, is just one example.

    The Globe & MacLeans are covering the same angles to the same story as were covered years ago. Why are they resurrecting an old news story & presenting it as new revelations? Obviously, because it’s an attempt to use old news to harm Mulcair’s chances of becoming PM. In other words, it’s a political agenda by MacLeans & The Globe rather than journalism that’s prompting these pieces.

    If MacLeans & The Globe were honest & more responsible, they’d state this same story was already widely reported years ago, & that they’re repeating an old story with the same old angles. But they don’t want to be honest about it as it would make it even more obvious these new press pieces are politically, not journalistically, motivated.

    It reminds during the last election when Layton led the NDP & his “Orange Crush” surge was unfolding, The Sun resurrected the old story of years before, of police, on entering a massage parlour, finding Layton there (breaking no laws).

    Let’s have more responsible journalism, not crass political aid for Harper’s Tories, from our lauded press institutions like MacLeans & The Globe, please.

    • No one paid attention before because no one took him seriously as a candidate for PM. Now they do. Scrutiny comes with success.

    • The central Canadian establishment and media are stooges for the Liberal Party. NDP’ers better get used to it now that Mulcair is in front.

      Soudas is a Liberal now. CBC just now on TV didn’t mention that, only said former Harper aide. Can’t associate the Mulcair smear with Trudeau.

  21. A drive-by smear by the Dimitri Soudas while his wife, ex-Conservative MP Eve Adams – runs for a Liberal nomination in Toronto.
    Liberal party executive members like Terry Quinn are joining in this discussion, I note.
    Justin – who is going to do politics differently – has some explaining to do.

  22. I can believe this has little to do with money. I am quite certain Mulcair is more interested in power, and the NDP offered a far easier path to leadership than the CPC. Clearly, at that point, the LPC was not an attractive choice for an ambitious man.

    I find that whole Kyoto thing curious. I was paying attention in 2007, and it was glaringly apparent Harper would not adopt Kyoto. So if this was where Mulcair drew the line, why even enter into negotiations in the first place?

    • Was it all that apparent?
      It was in 2007 that Harper called climate change, “perhaps the biggest threat to confront the future of humanity today.”

          • I don’t think it would have been unreasonable at that point to still believe Harper could be convinced to take appropriate action regarding climate change.
            Certainly his rhetoric, such as the quote above, suggested he took it seriously.

          • He did suddenly discover climate change when Dion won the leadership, but nothing in anything he said, in particular about the emissions targets (which fell far short o the standards set by Kyoto). I think believing he would take appropriate action at that point was a pretty big stretch.

          • Not enough of a stretch that it would preclude risking nothing but a bit of time in discussions to confirm the Conservatives intentions.

          • Well you are going to believe what you gotta believe. But I have my doubts. Particularly since I remember what was going on in 2007. Kyoto was a big deal because of the role Dion played. The LPC produced a letter from Harper written in 2002 in which he condemned Kyoto. At no point during this time period did the PMO give any indication Harper had changed his position on that.

          • I’m not sure why Mulcair having discussions to explore whether the Conservatives would change course on climate change if he were to chair the NRTEE is hard to believe.

            It certainly makes more sense than what Soudas and the ‘sources’ in this piece would have us believe: that Mulcair, who quite a cabinet position in Quebec and ultimately ran in a ‘safe’ Liberal seat for a third party who’d never won a seat in Quebec or formed a government in Canada, is driven by greed.

          • Well, as I said in my original post I think this was about power, not greed. No one in a Harper government has any real power – not even Cabinet ministers. Harper is the one in control – and that was particularly clear in 2007.

            No point running for the LPC in 2007 – they were going nowhere.

            Mulcair took a risk for sure, but it was not as risky as it may appear. First, that seat was by no means safe. Dion insisted on appointing one of his friends, which caused problems with the riding association at the time. Dion was not overly popular. The CPC encouraged its voters to vote for Mulcair. I remember all of these things because I followed it quite closely.

            Second, by winning the seat as the first NDP MP in Quebec he would automatically have a lot of authority with the caucus, and by delivering more seats (as he did) he would have a clear path to leadership once Jack stood down. He had a much better chance at this with the NDP than with the CPC.

            So really – it makes a nice story and that works for him, but there are certainly other ways to look at this.

          • It certainly was considered safe.
            Mulcair announced he would run for the NDP in Quebec months before Dion appointed the Liberal candidate, and announced his candidacy in Outremont well ahead of the Liberals.
            What you’re saying just doesn’t square with reality.
            Nobody in the country in 2007 would have suggested that running for the NDP in Quebec was a likely path to power, let alone a better bet than the CPC or Liberals.

          • I have already agreed it was a risk – just that it was not the same risk you seem to want to believe it was. Your point about Dion appointing his candidate after Mulcair declared is fair enough, but you cannot ignore the fact that Dion was hurting the liberal brand. The reason everyone was watching Outremont was not to see if the NDP would win, but rather to see what effect it would have on Dion’s leadership if the LPC lost. You cannot ignore the fact the LPC was in rough shape at that time, and the media was reporting all kinds of tidbits from “liberal insiders” complaining about Dion. From even before the writ was dropped the media were calling the by-election an litmus test for his leadership.

            So no, it was not the safe LPC seat it was once. Mulcair is smart enough to know that.

            The first level of power is to run the party. There was no path that would see Mulcair in a position to run the CPC. The LPC were all but dead, so no point trying to get power there. With the LPC dying, and the CPC out of reach, a move to the centre might just see the NDP contending. As we can see, that is what happened.

            I am not being critical of the guy – he has done good things for the party by making it a contender (though I imagine some party faithful may not be so happy with the move to the centre – like the CPC faithful I am sure they will live with it if it means they get elected). But to try to say Mulcair is some knight in shining armour, sacrificing himself for the good of the country? Well no, that is simply not believable. The man is a career politician – he has enough experience to know what to do in order to get what he wants.

          • If the Liberals were “all but dead” after finishing second with 30% of the vote, I’m not sure how you would describe the 4th place NDP with 17%. And the following election with Dion still saw the Liberals in second with 26% and the NDP fourth with 18%.

            Mulcair became the NDP candidate a month before the Liberals chose their candidate.
            http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=f303b89e-fea1-4602-9ecb-cd0fa95cd933

            radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/Politique/2007/07/20/001-Coulon-candidat-PLC.shtml

            I believe these comments only allow one link, so you’ll have to add the ‘www’ to the second link.

            And your last paragraph contains enough straw to constitute a fire hazard.

          • Well thank you, because your article proves my point. The NDP polling showed they had a “strong” chance to win the riding.

            You are either too young to remember what was going on in 2007, or you are simply forgetting it. The reason everyone was watching the LPC so closely was that they knew they were running on fumes (this stuff does not happen overnight – the results of the 2011 election were not unexpected). They had no ground game, and no real presence in Quebec outside Montreal.

            But I am not going to keep repeating myself. The information is out there if you are at all interested in doing actual research and informing yourself. I can see you prefer to believe Mulcair is the only career politician in the world who has no personal ambitions at all, and is “in it” only for the greater good.

          • I’m sorry, but a party saying they have a strong chance of winning a vote isn’t proof of anything you’re claiming.
            Of course Mulcair wanted to win and thought he could. That’s why he ran.
            It’s your claim that Mulcair simply sought the easiest path to power regardless of party or principal that is so transparently ridiculous.
            Yes, the NDP’s 2011 results in Quebec were entirely unexpected and unforseen by anyone in 2007.
            http://www.thestar.com/news/2007/09/19/popular_mulcair_to_promote_ndp_brand.html

            And it’s really not necessary to keep tacking those strawmen onto the end of your comments.

          • Well he was a liberal, then negotiated with the cons, and ended up leading the NDP. Not a great leap to conclude he was shopping around for his best opportunity to be where he is now.

            You just have to be willing to look at things objectively.

          • PS. I was referring to the demise of the LPC in 2011, not the rise of the NDP in Quebec.

          • Which, in 2007, would have been with the Liberals.

          • No.

          • Odd then, that in 2008 Mulcair won the only NDP seat in Quebec while the Liberals doubled the NDP vote in that province and won 14.
            Yup, Mulcair was just riding the NDP’s coattails to power.
            *snort*

          • But seriously, you must be referring to how it was well known that in 2008 the NDP would have it’s usual dismal performance in Quebec, BUT THEN IN 2011 they’d sweep the province, and if Mulcair didn’t get on board in 2007 he’d miss the train!
            Pull the other one.

          • Not at all odd. If the end game was to run the NDP, and make a run for PM then he was successful, no? Or do you think he decided he wanted to run for the fourth party and then languish in the role as an MP in the fourth party for the rest of his career?

            This is the third or fourth time you have misstated my position. And you accuse me of creating a straw man! At what point did I say he was planning to ride the NDP coat tails to power? Oh yes, that is right, I said no such thing. No, what I theorized was that he could have seen running for the NDP as his clearest way to leading a national party, and that with his leadership and consequent move to the centre, he could see that party contending for government. I have given him full credit for what he has done for the NDP.

            But no – you say that this was a “safe” LPC seat. Though it was clearly not safe since the LPC lost. And then you say “of course he thought he could win the seat, why else would he run?” So, you know, you are kind of contradicting yourself.

            And finally, you theorize that if Mulcair really wanted power, he would have run for the LPC under Dion. Which made me laugh out loud. My guess is that you are young, because anyone who was paying attention in 2007 would not say that. And I say this as a Dion fan.

            (And I am going to say this for the third, and hopefully the last time. At no point have I suggested it was a given the NDP would take over from the Bloc in Quebec. What I DID say was that it was pretty much predicted that the LPC would eventually disintegrate, as they did in 2011. I know it suits your little theory here to pretend I am saying what you are pretending I am saying, but I am not).

          • Alright then. We’ll just ignore all the evidence, history, poll numbers and actual election results from 2006 and 2008 and just go with Gayle1’s unsubstantiated assertions, cuz she was paying attention.

          • Well if you were relying on evidence you would have agreed with me days ago. Maybe try that instead of making stuff up next time.

    • Everything has to do with money and power. Problem was Mulclair was asking for more money than Harper made. However, your point is really valid. Why go into negotiations if you aren’t willing to take the job. Soudas is likely telling the truth. Perhaps Mulclair asked for an unreasonable amount but he still negotiated a job with the Cons and as far as Soudas and Cannon believe and likely other Libs and Cons, he would have taken the job if the money was forthcoming. A person can tell themselves a lot of things to justify taking a post that crosses a line for them.

  23. My ‘sources’ tell me that Patriquin ‘sources’ are mythomaniacs

  24. Dear NDP of Canada / Thomas Mulcair

    I am writing this letter to state my OFFENSE of the conduct and actions of the NDP Party of Canada and its nomination committee.

    Prior in this year I was very much interested in putting my name forward for the candidacy of the new Bay of Quinte Riding. After months of attempts by calling and through email I finally made contact with Stuart Gillboard of Trenton Ontario who is the NDP riding association president for this area.

    After some conversation I was under the impression that I was supported by Mr. Gillboard to send in my nomination paperwork . Mr Gillboard kindly sent me the packages and I immediately filled them out and forwarded them on to Ottawa with a copy returned to Mr. Gillboard.

    Within a couple of Days I was contacted by Jordan Reid of the NDP nomination committee in Ottawa who very rudely stated to me that I was “not allowed to put my name forward for the NDP because of an association with the Libertarian Party of Canada”.

    Unfortunately for the NDP, this ill thinking I feel with very likely cause the demise of the party in this riding. The candidate for the NDP needs to be known, recognized and a true fighter for the constituents in this area . Supporting the needs of lower income people and families, veterans and our environment. Also, this Candidate needs to be ruthless with dealing with the other two local Candidates for the Conservative and Liberal Parties. The Candidate needs to understand the competition and be prepared to answer to attacks and ridicule from the other parties.

    I was apprised of todays national story of the Party Hoping, Financial Swindling of Thomas Mulcair in his attempts to join the Conservative Party after being removed from Jon Charests Liberal Party. Then after being refused a ridiculous salary from Steven Harpers Office he turned his greedy paws towards Jack Layton and the True People Party of Canada the NDP. Now after 7 years Thomas Mulcair has fin angled his way to the top of the NDP and is subsequently now the leader of a Party that in it true right is a Party for the People . Not the pocket book of the candidates.

    Thomas Mulcair has been involved with The Liberals, The Conservatives as well as the NDP in the last 8 years. This is what I find OFFENSIVE.

    I am an NDP supporter and have been since the 1970’s early 1980’s. Although I was not able to participate with the party due my age until 1989 I still promoted and endorsed the Party. Ed Broadbent I believe, is an institution of this party and the reason for my dedication to the NDP.

    For Ms. Jordan Reid and the nomination group for the NDP to be so grossly ignorant and rude to a potential strong candidate for this years election I feel is appalling and offensive towards me. To disqualify someone based on association is beyond offensive.

    With this year 2015, being such an important year, a strategic year for the future success of CANADA and its people it is of the utmost importance to present Candidates with the background, and knowledge to represent riding constituents.

    For Thomas Mulcair himself to be shown to not be a true Candidate, a true supporter of the Party, a “flip flop” going only where the money is and demanding more is an atrocity to the NDP. Especially when in fact a true NDP supporter wanting only to represent an area is disqualified because of association. I was contacted by the Libertarian Party of Canada and asked to participate because of my strong reputation, and prior experience in local politics in this area. This association was short lived due to the fact that I did not feel that my commitment to the Libertarian Party would be authentic due to my dedication to the NDP.

    Although my heart truly lies with the NDP Federally and Provincially , I am having a difficult time digesting the facts as were and are presented today Nationally of the magnitude of Thomas Mulcairs manipulation of multiple Parties of Canada. With this I feel that I must direct my vote towards the lesser of the evils within the local candidates.

    To be clear…. I am OFFENSED by the conduct of this Party, and its nomination committee for refusing participation of a strong candidate in the Bay of Quinte Riding . Especially , when in fact the National Leader of this Party (Thomas Mulcair) has conducted himself, admitting his actions Nationally, in a very negative manner involving not only one but two national parties. His obvious antics to gain financial benefit alone would appear to be the true agenda behind Mr. Mulcair. When in fact My own personal agenda is to represent, endorse, promote and exemplify the people and the communities within the Bay of Quinte. To improve the quality of Life for the people and to reduce the effects of environmental issues in our Region.

    Lonnie Dale Herrington

    1400 Casey Road
    Belleville, ON
    K8N-4Z6

    613-919-2872

  25. Out come the long knives; however, sadly for both Liberal and Conservative, it’s a tad too late.

  26. Whose idea was it to recruit Mulcair? Was it Cannon? I wish Martin would tell us. How come the story does not mention that Cannon and Mulcair knew of each other when both were members of the Quebec Liberal Party? That would provide a bit of context as to why it was Cannon who approached Mulcair. Were they friends when they were part of QLP? Was the reason he was approached solely because they wanted another David Emerson like candidate? Did Cannon know at all what the money offer was going to be and was he made aware that Mulcair had asked for 300K?

  27. Name con sources please,and it’s been reported that Mulcair was not asking for more money,and he did not accept the position on grounds of principal.

  28. Strange how this old news, now new news never seems to reflect back on Harper, and his judgement or loyalty. Caucus members must be saying you’re kidding! This can’t be. We were wooing him.

    • Well he was a liberal at the time, and they also wooed John Manley to sit on one of their panels. They were doing this to get blue liberal voters to feel more comfortable with the conservatives.

    • It doesn’t reflect poorly because it was all about strategy. In politics the idea is to bring in voters from other parties and how do you do that? You hire advisors who belong to those parties. Somehow partisans think their candidate gets re-elected magically while they sit on these threads being a$$holes to everyone who doesn’t think their way. Guess what, it doesn’t work that way…one has to woo voters from other parties and it is an age old tradition…nothing nasty or underhanded about it. It is hard work.

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