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‘My fellow Canadians’


 

Michael Ignatieff has released an open letter detailing the Liberal party’s health care policies and vision for 2014.

This is one of the most important issues affecting your family. Before you vote, you deserve answers from Stephen Harper.  Then, you can decide for yourself – who will you trust with the future of our health care?  The Liberal Party has made its commitments clear.


 

‘My fellow Canadians’

  1. Good, let the debate begin. Harper followed Ignatieff’s lead this morning, and also made a commitment to maintain the increased transfer payments for healthcare. That’s the first time I have heard that from Harper.

  2. Good, let the debate begin. Harper followed Ignatieff’s lead this morning, and also made a commitment to maintain the increased transfer payments for healthcare. That’s the first time I have heard that from Harper.

    • I think your kidding yourself if you expect to see an intelligent debate about health care. One of the two points that Ignatieff leads with in his letter is:

      Provinces are struggling to contain rising expenditures, a struggle that will become even more difficult as our population ages.

      That is barely addressed (other than a paragraph about drug coverage and boilerplate about reducing costs through efficiency), and mostly what I read are proposals for more spending. I don't expect any better from Harper either.

    • Harper has said it previously, before and during the election, that he will maintain transfer payments. At one point he was criticizing the Liberals for cuttting health and education transfer payments in the 90's to fight the deficit. I've noticed he's repeated it several times (because I have trouble believing him).

      • He said he would maintain. He didn't say he would continue to increase by 6%.

    • Harpers response, 'what he said'.

  3. I think your kidding yourself if you expect to see an intelligent debate about health care. One of the two points that Ignatieff leads with in his letter is:

    Provinces are struggling to contain rising expenditures, a struggle that will become even more difficult as our population ages.

    That is barely addressed (other than a paragraph about drug coverage and boilerplate about reducing costs through efficiency), and mostly what I read are proposals for more spending. I don't expect any better from Harper either.

  4. Harper has said it previously, before and during the election, that he will maintain transfer payments. At one point he was criticizing the Liberals for cuttting health and education transfer payments in the 90's to fight the deficit. I've noticed he's repeated it several times (because I have trouble believing him).

  5. I don't see a healthy debate emerging about heatlhcare because the parties are all about scoring points. The politicization of healthcare at the provincial level has already poisoned the well to the extent that no one employed in healthcare can actually talk about gaps or problems even if they are proposing solutions.

  6. I don't see a healthy debate emerging about heatlhcare because the parties are all about scoring points. The politicization of healthcare at the provincial level has already poisoned the well to the extent that no one employed in healthcare can actually talk about gaps or problems even if they are proposing solutions.

  7. He said he would maintain. He didn't say he would continue to increase by 6%.

  8. …….saw the Ignatieff question and answer this morning—-very friendly affair—Mike is on first name basis with all reporters.
    …..a few softball questions from bob and bernie, then some rogue came in and questioned the wisdom of the Liberals keeping the Wildrose candidate, considering his record. Iggy gave a 5 second answer and quickly gave Rosie Barton the nod for the next softball query.

    Why would an NDP plant that was removed from a Conservative rally be worthy of 4 days of angst from our media and attack ads from the opposition, while 2 disgraced Liberal candidates for our elected Parliament are the inspiration for one question from our media and a 5 second response from the man who signed the nomination papers for these 2 candidates ?
    It`s a mystery—–next question Rosie.

  9. …….saw the Ignatieff question and answer this morning—-very friendly affair—Mike is on first name basis with all reporters.
    …..a few softball questions from bob and bernie, then some rogue came in and questioned the wisdom of the Liberals keeping the Wildrose candidate, considering his record. Iggy gave a 5 second answer and quickly gave Rosie Barton the nod for the next softball query.

    Why would an NDP plant that was removed from a Conservative rally be worthy of 4 days of angst from our media and attack ads from the opposition, while 2 disgraced Liberal candidates for our elected Parliament are the inspiration for one question from our media and a 5 second response from the man who signed the nomination papers for these 2 candidates ?
    It`s a mystery—–next question Rosie.

    • I thought the official Tory position was that Parliament didn't matter, and that MPs are meat puppets?

    • Are you really running with that "NDP plant" line? Really?

      I saw that email 'analysis', and there wasn't exactly a preponderance of proof there. We're talking fuzzy-picture-of-bigfoot level of evidence, Blue.

      EDIT: For those looking to follow up on their own, here's the 'evidence' for the NDP plant:

      (the actual email) http://ml.islandnet.com/pipermail/ncannounce/atta
      (the derived commentary) http://leoknight.wordpress.com/2011/04/07/as-alwa

      • OK, I`ll take back that bit about the NDP " plant " if it means i don`t have to follow up on those wordy and numbered links you posted.
        I guess my point is that all Political parties try to prevent disruptions at their rallies—-some parties are more likely to be heckled then others for lots of reasons— and I don`t know if Aslam was there to get a hug from Harper or moon him—-i just don`t think the whole thing was worth the effort put forth by the media and the opposition.
        That was a position that Wells took also.

        • One reason the "Harper picking on the sweet young girl" stuck around for a while is that it fed the pre-existing narrative about Harper especially wrt this election.

          Harper is a bully.

          Is he? I honestly don't know, never have met the man. However, it is now a narrative that has stuck and journalists love a story that feeds pre-existing narratives. If the story can be told simply, concisely and everyone will get it immediately, editors love it too.

          The pre-existing narrative on Ignatieff was that he was aloof and out of touch, set by the Conservative war room. Indeed virtually all of the stories about Ignatieff are some version of comparing Ignatieff's actions to his pre-existing narrative. Of course, Ignatieff is acting anything but aloof and that is what is being reported.

          On the plus side for the Conservatives, while the Carson story just gets juicier and juicier, I don't think it will hurt Harper much. Harper is a power-hungry maniac, but he doesn't strike anyone as being interested in exploiting his position for either money or sex. I suspect everyone is perplexed at how Carson got to the inner circle, perhaps even Harper himself.

          • The media may have pre-conceived ideas about the character of the leaders but, as I think you have mentioned before, they are willing to let the leader change his persona, like the sweatervest campaign, if the leader is willing to be a good enough actor and entertain them.

            Now, I don`t know whether Harper is aloof or Ignatieff is a bully, but I suspect Iggy is a better actor. He can saunter over to the old lady in the nursing home, look her in the eye with that Clintonesque " I feel your pain " and the media say—-isn`t that sweet. If Harper tried that Rosie Barton would flip out.

            However, I get the feeling none of it will matter on May 2nd—most folks have already made up their mind, no matter what the media reports.

        • The act of creating a faux democratic event where any people are invited — as would be expected during an election campaign, unless stated otherwise 'a private function' — would seem to be the main objection from media and public alike; it's great how all you CON sockpuppets plug anyone who disagrees with Harper as 'an enemy.'

          • Brp—I can see by your name-calling that you are one who disagrees with Harper—-but after reading some of your posts, I`m sure the Conservatives would consider you a " friend ".

      • I know. Like the NDP told this young girl to get her picture taken with jack and Michael, post it on her facebook and Harper goons will remove you from his rally. Brilliant! Just like Obama's parents put his birth in the newspaper because they knew he would be president.

    • Additionally, Blue, there's this article from earlier today, which shows that the CPC complaint about biased news coverage is complete hokum:
      http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/04/08/taking-his-wor

      "Ignatieff nearly caught up with Harper in the degree of positive coverage in the 794 stories analyzed last week. He scored a “net tone” of 0.94 compared to Harper's 1.06. That's a big improvement over the previous week (March 21 to 26) when he was at 0.47, compared to Harper's 1.04 and Layton's 1.58. (Layton fell to 1.37 this week; the sample is not big enough to grade Gilles Duceppe.) Net tone is calculated by a computer program that looks at the words found near each leader's name in a story and, using a dictionary of 6,500 words, determines whether the sentence is negative or positive. Words like “bold” and “rational” might provide a boost, while “condescending” and “unfortunate” could negatively affect a leader's score. The measure can predict changes in voting intentions with 80 per cent accuracy, says Soroka."

      • Tories have been saying the news is left wing because the right wing media owners tell them to say that. It's called deflection and it is a tory staple.

  10. I thought the official Tory position was that Parliament didn't matter, and that MPs are meat puppets?

  11. Are you really running with that "NDP plant" line? Really?

    I saw that email 'analysis', and there wasn't exactly a preponderance of proof there. We're talking fuzzy-picture-of-bigfoot level of evidence, Blue.

    EDIT: For those looking to follow up on their own, here's the 'evidence' for the NDP plant:

    (the actual email) http://ml.islandnet.com/pipermail/ncannounce/atta
    (the derived commentary) http://leoknight.wordpress.com/2011/04/07/as-alwa

  12. Additionally, Blue, there's this article from earlier today, which shows that the CPC complaint about biased news coverage is complete hokum:
    http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/04/08/taking-his-wor

    "Ignatieff nearly caught up with Harper in the degree of positive coverage in the 794 stories analyzed last week. He scored a “net tone” of 0.94 compared to Harper's 1.06. That's a big improvement over the previous week (March 21 to 26) when he was at 0.47, compared to Harper's 1.04 and Layton's 1.58. (Layton fell to 1.37 this week; the sample is not big enough to grade Gilles Duceppe.) Net tone is calculated by a computer program that looks at the words found near each leader's name in a story and, using a dictionary of 6,500 words, determines whether the sentence is negative or positive. Words like “bold” and “rational” might provide a boost, while “condescending” and “unfortunate” could negatively affect a leader's score. The measure can predict changes in voting intentions with 80 per cent accuracy, says Soroka."

  13. Before you vote, you deserve answers from Stephen Harper.

    Answers to, like, questions???

    LOL

    Good luck with that.

  14. Before you vote, you deserve answers from Stephen Harper.

    Answers to, like, questions???

    LOL

    Good luck with that.

  15. OK, I`ll take back that bit about the NDP " plant " if it means i don`t have to follow up on those wordy and numbered links you posted.
    I guess my point is that all Political parties try to prevent disruptions at their rallies—-some parties are more likely to be heckled then others for lots of reasons— and I don`t know if Aslam was there to get a hug from Harper or moon him—-i just don`t think the whole thing was worth the effort put forth by the media and the opposition.
    That was a position that Wells took also.

  16. I don't disagree with you, Blue, but Harper should know that the penalty for attempting to restrict media access is that they'll latch on to the tiniest morsel when nothing else is available.

    This was a non-story in many ways, but became a story because the media has been living on scraps for a couple of weeks.

  17. One reason the "Harper picking on the sweet young girl" stuck around for a while is that it fed the pre-existing narrative about Harper especially wrt this election.

    Harper is a bully.

    Is he? I honestly don't know, never have met the man. However, it is now a narrative that has stuck and journalists love a story that feeds pre-existing narratives. If the story can be told simply, concisely and everyone will get it immediately, editors love it too.

    The pre-existing narrative on Ignatieff was that he was aloof and out of touch, set by the Conservative war room. Indeed virtually all of the stories about Ignatieff are some version of comparing Ignatieff's actions to his pre-existing narrative. Of course, Ignatieff is acting anything but aloof and that is what is being reported.

    On the plus side for the Conservatives, while the Carson story just gets juicier and juicier, I don't think it will hurt Harper much. Harper is a power-hungry maniac, but he doesn't strike anyone as being interested in exploiting his position for either money or sex. I suspect everyone is perplexed at how Carson got to the inner circle, perhaps even Harper himself.

  18. The feds should either take over healthcare altogether if they want to secure pure equality between provinces, and thereby also take all of the financial responsibilites

    Or the feds should set a minimum equality healthcare standard across Canada, make such minimum standards the requirement of the transfer of federal funds and leave the provinces to do the rest.

    I prefer the second option. Give the provinces the opportunity to innovate according to its citizens demands above and beyond the minimum standard set by the feds. Innovation works best closer to the supply and demand chain of events.

    And besides, why should the feds oversee sharing of information on innovation? Surely the provincial bodies would be capable of doing that themselves. Who says that what works well in Quebec would work equally well in Alberta? All provinces in this country have unique aspects to work with. Let that work to its best advantage.

  19. The feds should either take over healthcare altogether if they want to secure pure equality between provinces, and thereby also take all of the financial responsibilites

    Or the feds should set a minimum equality healthcare standard across Canada, make such minimum standards the requirement of the transfer of federal funds and leave the provinces to do the rest.

    I prefer the second option. Give the provinces the opportunity to innovate according to its citizens demands above and beyond the minimum standard set by the feds. Innovation works best closer to the supply and demand chain of events.

    And besides, why should the feds oversee sharing of information on innovation? Surely the provincial bodies would be capable of doing that themselves. Who says that what works well in Quebec would work equally well in Alberta? All provinces in this country have unique aspects to work with. Let that work to its best advantage.

  20. Oh, I know Harper is his own worst enemy as far as the media is concerned. He just can`t hide his disdain for them sometimes—-I suspect he doesn`t like the way he and his family have been portrayed.
    But I would rather he have the principle to let them know how he feels about them then be like Mulroney, who was constantly sucking up to the media hoping for a good spin.

  21. Oh, I know Harper is his own worst enemy as far as the media is concerned. He just can`t hide his disdain for them sometimes—-I suspect he doesn`t like the way he and his family have been portrayed.
    But I would rather he have the principle to let them know how he feels about them then be like Mulroney, who was constantly sucking up to the media hoping for a good spin.

  22. So let's go on track record then. Harper, five years of being king = nada for health care. Well, perhaps by making shoe-evolutionist Goodyear the warlock for science the Harper government has boosted science research — in other countries with the flow of brains heading south.

  23. The act of creating a faux democratic event where any people are invited — as would be expected during an election campaign, unless stated otherwise 'a private function' — would seem to be the main objection from media and public alike; it's great how all you CON sockpuppets plug anyone who disagrees with Harper as 'an enemy.'

  24. The media may have pre-conceived ideas about the character of the leaders but, as I think you have mentioned before, they are willing to let the leader change his persona, like the sweatervest campaign, if the leader is willing to be a good enough actor and entertain them.

    Now, I don`t know whether Harper is aloof or Ignatieff is a bully, but I suspect Iggy is a better actor. He can saunter over to the old lady in the nursing home, look her in the eye with that Clintonesque " I feel your pain " and the media say—-isn`t that sweet. If Harper tried that Rosie Barton would flip out.

    However, I get the feeling none of it will matter on May 2nd—most folks have already made up their mind, no matter what the media reports.

  25. Brp—I can see by your name-calling that you are one who disagrees with Harper—-but after reading some of your posts, I`m sure the Conservatives would consider you a " friend ".

  26. Harper you are a pathetic, dim-witted misanthrope, stop trying to be a leader, because a leader you are not. You are everything that is twisted and wrong with the world rolled up into a fat pasty white sack. Your brain seems to feed on paranoia and disinformation, you are very very sick in the head. You have no right to act the way you do while trying to be leader of Canadians, you are an example of what is inhuman and evil and your shortsightedness is there to maintain your meaningless, without-value world at the expense of a future for our children (ie: warplanes and prisons over HEALTHCARE; you're a dumba$$)

  27. Harper you are a pathetic, dim-witted misanthrope, stop trying to be a leader, because a leader you are not. You are everything that is twisted and wrong with the world rolled up into a fat pasty white sack. Your brain seems to feed on paranoia and disinformation, you are very very sick in the head. You have no right to act the way you do while trying to be leader of Canadians, you are an example of what is inhuman and evil and your shortsightedness is there to maintain your meaningless, without-value world at the expense of a future for our children (ie: warplanes and prisons over HEALTHCARE; you're a dumba$$)

    • C`mon Wherry—quit playing around and get back to work !

    • Well, considering that prisons are a federal responsibility, and healthcare is a provincial responsibility, I think Harper has his priorities right.

  28. C`mon Wherry—quit playing around and get back to work !

  29. Well, considering that prisons are a federal responsibility, and healthcare is a provincial responsibility, I think Harper has his priorities right.

  30. Dr. Ignatieff writes: These [Harper's and Maxime Bernier's] views would mean the Government of Canada washes its hands of the Canada Health Act, and walks away from the fundamental idea that all Canadians deserve a similar level of health care service no matter where they live in this country. Transferring tax points means eliminating health care transfer payments as Ottawa hands over to each province some of its taxation room.

    Thanks, doc. I hope you're right. You may have just found a reason I might wish to vote Conservative.

  31. Dr. Ignatieff writes: These [Harper's and Maxime Bernier's] views would mean the Government of Canada washes its hands of the Canada Health Act, and walks away from the fundamental idea that all Canadians deserve a similar level of health care service no matter where they live in this country. Transferring tax points means eliminating health care transfer payments as Ottawa hands over to each province some of its taxation room.

    Thanks, doc. I hope you're right. You may have just found a reason I might wish to vote Conservative.

  32. Harpers response, 'what he said'.

  33. I know. Like the NDP told this young girl to get her picture taken with jack and Michael, post it on her facebook and Harper goons will remove you from his rally. Brilliant! Just like Obama's parents put his birth in the newspaper because they knew he would be president.

  34. Tories have been saying the news is left wing because the right wing media owners tell them to say that. It's called deflection and it is a tory staple.

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