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Having spent much of his political career trying to destroy the Liberal party, Stephen Harper now appeals to its supporters.

I believe Mr. Ignatieff and the Liberal party are in trouble not because they’ve been true to liberalism, but on the contrary. I think their platform represents a departure from the Liberal party at its best. The Liberal party has been its best – now, you know, I have problems with the Liberal party, I think sometimes think flexibility becomes something else in the case of the Liberal party – but nevertheless, you have to be realistic about the economy and the NDP has not been prepared to be realistic about the world in which we are living and have economic choices that are fitting for that.


 

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    • You are still getting froth; and now bits of food — all over your computer screen.

      • Since I posted this comment before the comment in which your response the first time the sequence of events would have had to work in the opposite direction. Now since my comments are of such interest to you, hurry up and go to see my response to your other response.

  2. Aaron,

    the premise of your post appears to be that the Liberal party machine,

    and those who may vote for them, are an inseperable one and the same.

    I do believe that type of thinking is precisely why the Liberal party is crumbling before our eyes.

    Voters are indeed seperate individuals from the Liberal party who claims them as, not only their own, but apparently as "part of them".

    And yes, come election day, many of those individuals will indeed be peeling off to the CPC.

    163 – the number of CPC seats.

    • Aaron's posts are rarely sophisticated enough to have a worked-out premise. Snark, innuendo, insinuation, all of that kind of thing. I suppose you could say that Wherry's posts have the implicit premise of sheer, unmitigated Liberal flackery, insofar as he'll twist and turn in every which direction to shill for his team. But that doesn't amount to a "premise" in a logical sense: it usually requires illogic and/or outright ignorance.

      Like, for example, attempting to conduct a discussion of Canadian politics which overlooks the widely-known-and-discussed differences between the policies and political culture of the federal NDP versus the prairie parties of the same name, and in fact goes so far as to treat the attempt at drawing such an obviously necessary distinction as illegitimate.

    • Liberal voters have a different set of values then Conservatives.. I'd rather "waste" my vote on a Liberal and feel happy I did what I can t to prevent a Harper majority. If enough other voters feel the same way hopefully Harper will be removed from the leadership by his party, crawl back to Alberta yet again and resume his asault on our democracy as head of the NCC..

      • Indeed. And I'd rather work with an NDP government, since I have no reason to believe they would not respect our democratic institutions and procedures. In some ridings, that means voting Liberal to keep Harper out. In others, it means going NDP, even as a Liberal.

  3. Incidentally, Aaron, you are also evidently too hacktastic to either know or acknowledge that Harper has in fact praised elements of the Liberal party in the past: after all, he once was a Liberal himself. Of course he also came to see that the bad about the party outweighed the good, as as politician he was of course going to oppose them, but no person who knew anything about Harper – especially not someone who covers him as obsessively as you do – should be surprised to find that he could find something positive to say about the party. The only people who could be surprised would have to be ignorant of their subject, or just blindly partisan hacks: in other words, people like you Aaron.

    Just like anyone who attempts to conduct a discussion of Canadian politics which overlooks the widely-known-and-discussed differences between the policies and political culture of the federal NDP versus the prairie parties of the same name – and who goes so far as to suggest that making such a distinction is actually illegitimate and should serve to discredit the person making it, rather than illustrating that they possess the most elementary levels of common sense concerning Canadian politics – is someone who is so clueless about Canadian politics, or so committed to misrepresenting it for partisan gain, that they should not be in the journalistic profession. Period. Get a new job, Wherry, You are not qualified for this one.

    • Aaron you seem to have a stalker.

      • Look at this way: Aaron's been hacking for years, and it took him years to get a "stalker"; I post a few comments on his posts, and I already have people staking my comments. Just one of the many ways in which I'm ahead of Aaron. He is ahead of me on having a group of retarded fanboys, though – but then he's drawing support from the shallow end of the gene pool, so he's got a built-in advantage.

        • Things not going well in the war room, Weary? Talk about being caught flat footed – you blow it all taking down Iggy only to have Jack 'rise up'. Too bad you can't see the humour in it.

          • I know I have caused some discomfort on this site with my statements since the election. I have also made people think about the controlling billionares that are trying to steal our country and control our wealth. I must say this; Our country is at a crossroads right now and our vote has never meant as much as it means today. We must rid ourselves of the Harper dictatorship once and for all and tomorrow we can do that as a united country. The Conservative party of today is not the conservative party of our fathers and grandfathers and it is Harper that is responsivble for that. He must go because we are Canadian and not american and we resent being treated as such. We are not Fox news north nor will we ever be. We live in a country with hundreds of trillions of dollars worth of natural resources and they belong to us, Canadians. Our economy will not suffer under an alternative government other than that of the controlling tories. Vote to save Canada on May 2. Vote ABC. God bless Canada!!!

  4. Tories appear to be hysterical. They're going from article to article, pasting in the same verbal diarrhea.

    • They seem…ummmmm….a little flummoxed to say the least.

  5. Man, you Conservative supporters are in full fledged meltdown mode.

    Why the frack would any sensible Liberal support a Conservative government/party lead by Stephen Harper who has smeared the LPC and Dion/Ignatieff for the past 5 years with attack ads and cheap shots – not to mention the contempt they've held Parliament in and been found in contempt of Parliament?

    You guys made your own bed with that strategy – so now don't complain if you get to lie in it and find there's some bloodsucking bed bugs in there. What goes around comes around eventually.. and hopefully its come around in the form of a big Orange Crush (with hopefully a tinge of Liberal red).

    • That's right! The Liberal party is on the verge of extinction and Conservatives are just devastated!

  6. Boy, some people are getting a little overwrought and leaping off the deep end here!

    Breathe in….breathe out….relax!

  7. .
    Mr. Harper has not been true to the foundations of a rational fiscal conservatism that looks many moves ahead. We are committing ourselves to 20-30 years paying for answers to a war-craft and 20th century war theaters that WILL NOT EXIST by 2020. That may be an egregious example of his short-sightedness, but it's certainly an expensive one. I fully expect more to come, since he still doesn't see the total senselessness of it even with the certainly accurate cost overrun predictions.

    And the 'stability' Mr. Harper touts as the centerpiece of his record has been achieved by a simple-minded, single-willed, cut/trim/slash philosophy and a feeding of an inchoate free-market tumour that will eat us alive in 4-5 years. By 'us' I exclude an economic upper-middle and upper class termites.

    I fully expect Jack to do a complete overhaul of previous, traditional NDP socio-economic frameworks, that will provide stable, labour-strong employment, and a bifurcated strategy of allowing private enterprise to exploit both stable National/Provincial projects on the one hand, and consumer demand on the other.

    I will also expect Mr. Layton to show a bipartisan and democratic spirit of cooperation if elected as a majority, and Mr. Harper to cooperate.
    .

    • So you're suggesting we don't need the jets because "that's not the type of conflict we'll be seeing in the future.' Dan Gardiner – no fan of PMSH – wrote an excellent article on exactly that subject about two months ago. You should read it. The idea that we can safely do away with our airforce because "in the future we won't need it" is the height of asinine thinking. There may well be better jets than the one's we're purchasing. But to state with confidence that we won't need jets at all is beyond daft. It's delusional.

  8. This reads like a transcript of Don Cherry complimenting a French Canadian or a European…

    • "you know I don't like dem visors, but you know that Geronimakovlov…"

  9. "If only you knew the power of the Dark Side. Join me and together we will rule the Galaxy!"

    • Oh bollocks- you owe me 1 keyboard and a new cup of coffee…

        • Thanks for that. Can't tell what was more entertaining- chet losing it, Cats showing up out of nowhere from the CPC war room yesterday, or the Emperor thing.

  10. When you try to break through by getting the votes of 38% of Canadians and antagonizing and alienating all the other ones, you can find yourself in a bit of a bind when it's close but just not enough.

  11. It is absolutely unbelievably astounding that Harper could be so out of touch with how he is perceived by those he has tried to destroy, degrade, and humiliate, that he thinks he could make this appeal. Even supporters, other than the ones commenting on this site, must be snickering and almost laughing out loud to his face.
    You have to wonder if Harper and his closest advisors are in full possession of all their faculties. Libs can vote Liberal and stay loyal, they can vote NDP, they can vote Green, or as they say many did last time, they can stay home and let the NDP roll. But vote for Harper? I can't even think of a comparison ridiculous enough to describe it.

    • You are quite right. But Harper does not need a whole bunch of liberals to support him. He's only trying to convince those few who might just do it out of dislike for the NDP. That isn't a very rich vein to be mining, but ridings are won and lost at the margins. It may reek of desperation – because it is just that – but Harper's got nothing to lose by making that appeal.

      • "Lend me your vote" didn't work so well for Layton in 2006, but as you say, Harper only needs a small slice of normally-Liberal voters to go Blue in order to win a few tight races.

  12. Ignore the facts of our economic record and believe our imaginary presentation of another party's!

  13. I cannot for the life of me imagine Liberals voting for the party of steve. I can imagine Liberals trying to vote strategically to help steve leave politics, but that's the extent of my imagination. I don't think the former PCs are comfortable with steve; why would Liberals want to support him? Moreover, Ignatieff has done a good job during the campaign — exceeding expectations.

    Also, here in SK, one of the Con incumbents has whispered loudly enough to be heard that he can't get his vote out. Their internal polling may be telling them that.

    And please, don't be complacent about voting — don't stay home this time, fellow Liberals. Get the vote out — if steve's supporters are staying home, he may well end up back in oppo. He did well in oppo!

    • Help Steve become a fiscal conservative – vote for anyone else.

    • "I cannot for the life of me imagine Liberals voting for the party of steve." Then how did Paul Martin lose in 2006?

  14. First there's the "smear" campaign about the massage… now they're complimenting liberals? What is going on with the Conservative party of Canada? It's like this is some kind of bad movie where the antagonist, realizing they're nearly defeated, tries everything in their power to gain an edge. Twenty-four hours to go…

    With Love and Gratitude,

    Jeremiah

    • You are assuming it was the Conservatives who leaked that massage story. Jonathon Kay said it was shopped to him in 2008 by a Liberal Party lawyer. Kinsella says it was shopped to him as well, but he did not know by whom.

  15. BTW,

    Harper isn't appealing to the hyperpartisan types who frequent sites like these and will defend the Liberals to the death. That core is going down with the ship (or more probably staying at home and pretending the destruction of the party isn't happening).

    That Liberal hyperperpartisans can't fathom that there are "blue liberals" or centrists who have voted historically Liberal, or those who are merely fence sitters right now, who will contemplate the CPC rather than allowing a far left NDP party into power is a true testament to the power of partisanship.

    Watch tomorrow, my Liberal friends, watch tomorrow.

    • You may be thinking of some Bay Street big money CEO's, lawyers, financial managers making in half million plus bracket who have called themselves Liberals in the past.
      But rank and file Liberals could never be associated with a party of "not a leader", "just visiting" "only in it for himself". Harper Conservatives have become immune to the revulsion and feeling of sorrow and shame political observers from the centre feel about the tactics Harper has used against opposition leaders, civil servants, even ordinary people attending a rally.
      I think the Ottawa press contingent has also come to accept the repeated contempt for democracy as almost normal.
      But supporters of Liberals, NDP, or Green will never hold their noses and vote for a party of hate and fear.

    • You have Liberal friends?

      • Of course he doesn't. At least, not as "Chet." Who knows, he may be a quiet, unassuming, non-political-type in his real life.

  16. I consider myself a solid Liberal supporter. I've voted for them in every election I've been able to, and proudly, at that. Now, if the Liberals can't win this election, I'd sooner see a Harper government, even a majority, than an NDP government in any form leading this country. And with that being said, I'd sooner cut off my hand than use it to mark an X next to a Tory's name on my ballot, to stop an NDP government from being elected. Same with an NDPer to stop the Tories. I'm voting Liberal, and Harper's words don't even begin to sway me. I won't pretend to know what will be the outcome tomorrow, but I will know that I have voted my conscience, for the party, MP, and Leader I believe in, for the policies I support, and I will look forward to witnessing the results of the collective will of the electorate tomorrow.

    • "I'd sooner see a Harper government, even a majority, than an NDP government in any form leading this country. "
      Really? even in a coalition with Ignatieff as Deputy PM, Rae as Foreign Minister and Brison as Finance Minister? Not saying that's my predicted outcome, but if I was a Liberal, I think I would be pretty comfortable with such an outcome, especially compared to a Conservative majority government.

  17. Velvet Touch – A Community Clinic – Who Knew????
    Olivia Chow was quick to release a written statement, that husband Jack Layton indeed did attend a "registered massage clinic" and she was well aware of it and he "needed a massage" late in the evening.
    Jack Layton, later at a rally in Burnaby, was quick to point out and clarify Olivia's comment, that in fact it was a "community clinic" (Velvet Touch -good name) where he obtained his services. In trying to protect his political career, and in tune with the NDP philosophy, he felt it very important to stress it was a "community clinic" not to be confused with a private clinic. It was essential in the middle of this election, to inform Canadians, in order to solicit their support, he wouldn't be caught dead at a private clinic, a for profit health care facility, where illegal, underage, Asian sex workers, would be employed by rip off artists, in the Canadian health care field – it would have to be a community clinic he patronizes – there should be no confusion. The reason that it was late at night that he was there, we would also assume was that he didn't jump the queue, but waited his turn. A good leader leads by example.
    I wonder if Canadians becoming more aware of the fine details of the NDP health care platform and of Layton's expansion of health care services to include these "community clinics", help explain the surge in support for the NDP in this current election. Does anybody in the main street media have a better explanation for the NDP surge and why are they reluctant to discuss this NDP expansion of Canada's health services?
    Why and how could the Toronto city police confuse a community clinic with a bawdy house?

    • Pathetic.

  18. Serious question here: does anyone out there understand Stephen Harper when he says a sentence with more than a dozen words? look at the last sentence, take out the parenthetical in the middle, and can anyone tell me what this means?

    "The Liberal party has been its best… but nevertheless, you have to be realistic about the economy and the NDP has not been prepared to be realistic about the world in which we are living and have economic choices that are fitting for that."

    The Liberal party has been its best what? at its best when? He does the same thing in any interview I've watched of his, as soon as he makes a digression, his thoughts wander off the path into the woods and never come back to conclude the the point that he started with. As most observers note, he does a fine job with a teleprompter reading a prepared speech, but when he goes off the cuff, yeesh.