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“Not really a military”


 

New York Times reporter C.J. Chivers, a former U.S. Marine, has been traveling with the rebels in Libya and assesses their combat capabilities. It’s a devastating portrait and well worth reading. It still leaves plenty of room for debate over the wisdom of Western intervention in Libya, but now at least we know what we’ve all gotten into — including 570 members of the Canadian Forces.


 
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  1. Ignatieff and the Liberals claim paternity of "the responsibility to protect"., as their middle power contribution to international peace and stability.

    Turns out R2P is a just "kinder, gentler" term for neoimperialism.

  2. Ignatieff and the Liberals claim paternity of "the responsibility to protect"., as their middle power contribution to international peace and stability.

    Turns out R2P is a just "kinder, gentler" term for neoimperialism.

    • Didn't the TORIES send our forces to Libya after a UNANIMOUS vote in favour of the move supported by the leaders of all four major parties? I suppose one could still blame the Liberals for introducing the idea of R2P, but as every major party in the country seems to agree that we do indeed have a "responsibility to protect" in the case of Libya, why focus only on the Liberals?

    • It's the "lesser evil".

  3. Mad Max Does Dune. I suppose we could blame Mr. Harper … but the cheerleaders were
    lining up in the House. If "NATO" keeps dropping bombs on the rebels, it may be over soon
    anyway.

  4. Mad Max Does Dune. I suppose we could blame Mr. Harper … but the cheerleaders were
    lining up in the House. If "NATO" keeps dropping bombs on the rebels, it may be over soon
    anyway.

  5. Didn't the TORIES send our forces to Libya after a UNANIMOUS vote in favour of the move supported by the leaders of all four major parties? I suppose one could still blame the Liberals for introducing the idea of R2P, but as every major party in the country seems to agree that we do indeed have a "responsibility to protect" in the case of Libya, why focus only on the Liberals?

  6. This article got me wondering about inevitable comparisans. The one that registered most strongly was Spain 1936 [ obvious eery echoes of Afghanistan too] ; another war for brave, hopeful fools. [ i use the term universally…after all it's largely the human condition]
    We still haven't defined what R2P should mean; is it a hopelessly wishy washy statement of well meaning idealism or a commitment to really pay the price for protecting the oppressed? My view is all in or out. Put some special forces guys in there to help these guys or don't encourage this kind of no win conflict – it might help if we had a consistent moral position on dictators in the first place?
    But half measures seems to be the price we pay for democracy. It's probably unavoidable. Nevertheless it's still a sad state of affairs.

  7. This article got me wondering about inevitable comparisans. The one that registered most strongly was Spain 1936 [ obvious eery echoes of Afghanistan too] ; another war for brave, hopeful fools. [ i use the term universally…after all it's largely the human condition]
    We still haven't defined what R2P should mean; is it a hopelessly wishy washy statement of well meaning idealism or a commitment to really pay the price for protecting the oppressed? My view is all in or out. Put some special forces guys in there to help these guys or don't encourage this kind of no win conflict – it might help if we had a consistent moral position on dictators in the first place?
    But half measures seems to be the price we pay for democracy. It's probably unavoidable. Nevertheless it's still a sad state of affairs.

    • I am willing to bet there are special forces in there helping these guys.

      • I hope you're right. Because that article is frankly gloomy.

  8. I'm still not sure what people are complaining about the whole conflict in Libya.

    The UN and NATO prevented a massacre and are trying to help the rebels. What else is there to talk about? It isn't going as smooth as some would like? How surprising!

  9. I'm still not sure what people are complaining about the whole conflict in Libya.

    The UN and NATO prevented a massacre and are trying to help the rebels. What else is there to talk about? It isn't going as smooth as some would like? How surprising!

    • True enough. There are those who would see any intervention by western forces for any reason as "imperialism". We aren't going to keep those folks happy. Even if we decommissioned the entire military and turned all our facilities into homeless shelters and daycare centres, they'd just accuse us of imperial trade practices or hiring Israeli childcare workers or something.

      I will say that it does seem somewhat hypocritical that we intervene in Libya, yet in Bahrain the troops crushed a similar uprising, and the western powers never said "boo" about it. Seems we like some oppressive governments better than others.

  10. It's the "lesser evil".

  11. I am willing to bet there are special forces in there helping these guys.

  12. True enough. There are those who would see any intervention by western forces for any reason as "imperialism". We aren't going to keep those folks happy. Even if we decommissioned the entire military and turned all our facilities into homeless shelters and daycare centres, they'd just accuse us of imperial trade practices or hiring Israeli childcare workers or something.

    I will say that it does seem somewhat hypocritical that we intervene in Libya, yet in Bahrain the troops crushed a similar uprising, and the western powers never said "boo" about it. Seems we like some oppressive governments better than others.

  13. I hope you're right. Because that article is frankly gloomy.