Nuancing the farce, Part Three -

Nuancing the farce, Part Three


The Prime Minister’s Office tries to impose a statute of limitations on what the Conservatives have advocated for while in government.

But what about that 2008 Conservative campaign promise of a cap-and-trade system, similar to the NDP’s?

“That’s the past,” responded MacDougall. “Our 2011 platform stands. So does the NDP’s — and that includes their plan to ‘put a price on carbon.'”

It’s unclear if this means everything the Conservatives said or did before the spring of 2011—including the bits they might conceivably be proud of—is now irrelevant.

Thing is, the Harper government’s stance on carbon pricing isn’t strictly “in the past.” Last year, Peter Kent said a continental cap-and-trade system could “always be something to consider in the future.” In June, Mr. Kent’s office was unwilling to definitively rule out the possibility. Joe Oliver similarly hedged when I put the issue to him this month.

Previous attempts to nuance the farce here and here.


Nuancing the farce, Part Three

  1. Conservatives lie, it’s what they do
    They lie to me they lie to you
    They lie about their carbon plan
    And about platforms on which they once ran

  2. “The Prime Minister’s Office tries to impose a statute of limitations … ”

    Keynes ~ When my information changes, I alter my conclusions. What do you do, sir?

    Der Spiegel Nov 2010:

    The planet’s temperature curve rose sharply for almost 30 years, as global temperatures increased by an average of 0.7 degrees Celsius (1.25 degrees Fahrenheit) from the 1970s to the late 1990s. “At present, however, the warming is taking a break,” confirms meteorologist Mojib Latif of the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences in the northern German city of Kiel. Latif, one of Germany’s best-known climatologists, says that the temperature curve has reached a plateau. “There can be no argument about that,” he says. “We have to face that fact.”

    • Okaaaaay…so you’re saying if the temp starts to move again in the future the PM is free to change his mind and bring it back. It is a relief to know this has nothing what so ever to do with politics and everything to do with science.

      Funny, i could have sworn you posted a lot of stuff in the past claiming to prove the temp has been stable or cooling. Guess there’s a time limit on your CC posts too…for me it’s usually about 3 seconds.

    • From the Guardian
      “Mojib Latif, a climate expert at the Leibniz Institute at Kiel
      University in Germany, said he “cannot understand” reports that used his
      research to question the scientific consensus on climate change.
      told the Guardian: “It comes as a surprise to me that people would try
      to use my statements to try to dispute the nature of global warming. I
      believe in manmade global warming. I have said that if my name was not
      Mojib Latif it would be global warming.””

  3. Current account deficit (PoliSci 101):

    When the current account of policy is diametrically opposite recent history. Not to be confused with Change and Hope (no one notices).

  4. In fairness i don’t think it is entirely news that minister Kent might have a problem figuring out whether something he says is strictly relevant in the past; future or in the present.

  5. “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty any Con sock puppet discussing a carbon tax said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”