Pierre Poutine, meet Rick McKnight


The company that Pierre Poutine used to make his robocalls would seem to employ an individual who may or may not exist.

Meier, who is said to be helping Elections Canada with their investigation and has repeatedly said he had no knowledge of the “Poutine” robocalls, has declined to comment on McKnight’s identity. In an interview, when asked how a reporter could get in touch with McKnight, he said “you don’t,” and hung up.

Later, he referred queries to his lawyer, R. Justin Matthews, who offered a cryptic reply. “How does one define a real person?” said Matthews in an email. “Would a web-design employee that chooses to use a different name online (which some people seem to do these days) be considered a real person?”

Meanwhile, Glen McGregor and Stephen Maher talk to the wife of the Conservative candidate in Guelph.


Pierre Poutine, meet Rick McKnight

  1. To Matt Meier:

    Hire a new lawyer.

  2. That “I’m a nonpartisan schtick” is getting tired Matt.

  3. How does one define a real person?  I define it by the ability of a person to in affect my life in some way, no matter how small.
    For instance I was recently contacted by a lawyer in Nigeria whose late client left millions of dollars in a bank account that will soon be seized by the state unless I help him liberate the cash.   This gentleman’s efforts will forever alter my life, therefore he is very real.

  4. The suspicions of many that these people could not be trusted to “investigate” themselves is now thoroughly and demonstrably justified.

  5. Certainly an interesting twist to the story. But I question why the journalists only looked up Rick McKnight in the phonebook. The only Rick McKnight listed in Alberta directory assistance… doesn’t have anything to do with RackNine There are a handful of R McKnights and Richard McKnights listed on the Canada411 directory in Alberta.

  6. Did a lawyer really just try and argue that using an alias makes one non-existent even if said alias can be linked to a person? Worse, did he also extend that argument to include someone engaging in acts that leave a permanent record of “their” presence (and, often, trackable logs as well)?

    • No, the lawyer responded in a reasonable, if obtuse fashion to the presumptive question the NP writer put to him “is Rick McKnight a real person?”.  A better answer would have been “there is a real person doing all the things your fervent googling has caused you to think “Rick McKnight” does, but his/her name may or may not be “Rick McKnight””.

  7. Oh no, a web developer with a fake online persona! That’s never happened before, and I’m sure it is an absolute rarity.

    I also hope everyone else sees the irony in a bunch of anonymous online message board users criticizing someone for going online anonymously. Pot, meet kettle.

    • A web developer with a fake online profile, who is friends on Facebook with:
      -Guy Giorno
      -Andrew Prescott
      -Dmitri Soudas
      -Kory Teneycke
      -Fred DeLorey
      -Susan Delacourt
      -Brian Lilley
      -Charlie Angus
      -James Moore
      -Keith Ashfield
      -Joe Oliver
      -Steven Fletcher
      -Eve Adams
      -‘dozens of Conservative MPs’, according to Maher and McGregor

      I’m pretty sure if you, or if I, attempted to friend these people on Facebook, we’d be turned down.

      So who is this McKnight such that all these people accepted his friend requests?  (And I don’t think the answer is ‘he doesn’t exist’).

      • You think those people vet each and everyone of their FB friends? My personal FB account lists Dean Del Maestro, Ed Holder, Frank Klees, James Moore, Pierre Poilievre, Randy Hillier, Steve Paikin, and Steven Fletcher as friends, even though I’ve never met a single one of them.

        They’re politicians for Godssake, they’re not actively trying to alienate people. You lefties gotta stop viewing social media as if it’s some kind of mirror of real life. It’s not.

        • I don’t see anything in my comment that would suggest I’m a ‘leftie’ (aside from I disagree with you, ergo I must be?)

          Otherwise, I’ll let my comment stand on its own.

          • “I’m pretty sure if you, or if I, attempted to friend these people on Facebook, we’d be turned down.”

            Your point was directly contradicted.

            Your comment no longer stands on anything.

        • Guy Giorno – not a politician, always very guarded, but he was what – Campaign Chair?

      • If I were a betting man, I would give you long odds that McKnight is simply a sock-puppet for Meier himself. Why would he bother? Two reasons that I can imagine 1) makes his dinky little one-man shop look a little more substantial and 2) extra billings for services of his “web developer.”

        Illegal? I dunno, maybe. Unethical? Certainly.

        I’d be more interested in how many of his Facebook “friends” were privy to the fictional charactor they are associated with.

        • Of course that’s a possibility. It’s also quite possible that his web developer doesn’t want his real name used anywhere on the Internet. I know lots of IT pro’s who are extremely paranoid about that kind of thing, because they know the Internet never forgets anything, and you have no idea what kind of things might be “linked” to you in the future just because your name showed up on a certain page in a certain context. And that wouldn’t be unethical at all.

          • Claiming to be the head of marketing for a company that never heard of you is definitely unethical.

          • Ya, it would be…. but nobody actually made that claim, did they? It was posted on a fake profile on the Internet. If someone asked the *real* Rick McKnight, he’d probably give a real resume.
            GritGirl is Warren Kinsella’s fake online persona, and that was sanctioned by the party. Probably even used official resources. I didn’t hear any Liberals screaming bloody murder when they found out she was a fake.

          • Well, Rick, yes – the claim was made by “McKnight.” Having an online persona is one thing, but claiming to work for a company who has never heard of you can easily damage the company’s reputation – which is why it is unethical. Check out the link Wherry provided to the NP story – or scroll down to my earlier post where I quote from the article – and you’ll see what I mean.

        • It would be kinda funny if the fictional guy was bilking the Tories… until you realize we pick up part of the tab, that’s after the CPC stop bilking us… Oops, thank goodness I don’t exist.

        • Unethical? You betcha. Try this bit from the NP article:
          On Manta, another business networking website, McKnight is listed as the head of marketing for both RackNine and Sumex Inc., an Edmonton investment banking firm.
          Russel Matichuk, vice president of Sumex, said Monday that he had talked to RackNine about getting them to do some work, but they never did.
          “That’s weird,” he said. “There has never been anyone by that name that’s been head of marketing.”
          A nice little bit of resume-padding, at the least…

          • Or he held that position under his real name and he’s just using a screen name …

          • Possible, but still misleading to anyone trying to establish bona fides. One or both companies’ reputations could get (arguably have now been) hurt that way.

          • In which case, why bother listing it?

          • Say whatever you like, Dick. Who would dream of making any kind of bet with an admitted fraud like yourself?

          • I think he said you are a bit of a dolt.

          • Larry – it’s obviously time to re-think your  entire life.  Toro’s got me thinking , maybe I should too.

    • Would you use a fake name when advertising your employer?  I find that bizarre.  If I had a LinkedIn account which listed my current employment, it would be my real name.  Message boards are a different beast.

      • A LinkedIn account isn’t exactly advertising your employer. And I’d say in hindsight, this guy probably made a good move. Otherwise papers/commenters would be out there slandering his real name, and nobod would want that.

        • Given that you now admit you’ve falsely identified an actual business as your employer, your sense of what makes a “good move” on the net is pretty terrible.

          • Why? Because people are calling the CIBC demanding to speak to Rick Omen? *Pfft* Would it be satisfactory with you if I created a fake company for Rick to work at?

          • Call the CIBC and see what they say about it.  

          • When did you shut down your blog, Rick?

          • A few months ago. Didn’t have the time to write anymore. Sorry :D

        • I honestly don’t know what it means about a company when high-level employees feel the need to advertise their employment through said company with a fake id.  Did he predict some blowback against Rack9 for some reason, and thus decide to be cautious when linking himself to Rack9?

          “So, our background check on you shows that you worked for a company that may have been involved in a massive fraud of electors back in 2011.  I’m not sure you’re the right fit for this position.”

    • Yeah, an online web developer with an alias is one thing but an online web developer who’s employer does not not know and appears to be involved in a scheme to manipulate the outcome of an election is something quite different. PLEASE!

      • I’m sure Meier knows, who it is, he either just doesn’t want to say to protect himself, or he’s protecting someone who’s just very private. And at this stage in this circus, I’d be extremely PO’d if my employer were to suddenly connect me to an ongoing investigation which I have nothing to do with.

        •  It *is* Meier.

          Note the name “Rick McKnight” is a metaphor for “Rack Nine” and the drawing is not that far off the smug Meier himself.

        • Remember though this is the guy who is currently seeking compensation, in the form of litigation, for allegedly being slandered by a Lib MP for saying that he was not co-operating.  Is not revealing the information about an employee to investigators who wish to speak to him “not co-operating”? Come on, he is not his Psychiatrist, he is  his boss and if he really wanted to help he would divulge this mystery guy’s identification, even if just to let him clear his name of the matter. Meier’s actions only make him look  like he is trying to hide something. 

  8. I see Cons aren’t nearly as upset over this use of names as they were about ‘Laurie McDonald’ of Guelph in the Valeriote campaign.

  9. Geezus Rick, you are really flailing this morning.

    LinkedIn is not just a little bit about professional networks, that’s all it is. And why, since you’re so frightened of the slandering of commenter, do you not have a sekret identity of your own?

    • Rick’s profile is out there for all to see, Facebook, LinkedIn, google. The whole shebang

      • If you look though, it’s easy to conclude that Rick doesn’t actually exist. His Facebook friends consist of some politicians and a random collection of people with no apparent links to Rick or to each other. His Twitter account is not active. He has zero connections on Linked In (and apparently doesn’t know it’s purpose).  I think Rick is a sock-puppet, too.

        • Apparently he’s a branch manager for a major Canadian bank.

          • I’d heard he was Pierre Poutine’s VP of Curds and Manager of Gravy Procurement.

          • Yeah “apparently”.

            It’s curious that he has nothing to say for himself. 

        • Of course I don’t actually exist. Why would I want all the trolls here at Macleans harassing my real life identity?
          A) My employer would fire me in a heart-beat because my work is online, and doing anything that might draw unwanted attention to that work could be a bad thing.
          B) I don’t want people to Google my name and be able to find out my political beliefs. IRL, you’d have no idea I’m a firebreathing baby-eating Conservative supporter. I’m not the only one here who posts under a fake name, I’m just spent 10 minutes building a bit of a back story for ol’ Ricky.

          And hopefully you’re all now wondering if Rick McKnight = Pierre Poutine = Rick Omen :D

          • Ok, so Rick is a fraud. Anyone surprised by that?

          • How exactly am I a fraud? Just because somebody by the name of Rick Omen doesn’t actually exist, doesn’t mean that the man behind the keyboard doesn’t. My opinions are just as valid as if Rick Omen existed.

            Otherwise you’re just as much a fraud as I am, since I’m assuming you’re real name isn’t Igarvin. You know that thing about people in glass houses throwing stones… you might want to think about that.

          • @Rick_Omen:disqus You’re a fraud because you misrepresent yourself as someone you are not. The “10 minutes” you spent faking a back story shows your intention to deceive.

            I am lgarvin, btw, the “l” stands for Lawrence (or Larry as some folks here call me). I’ve been posting under my own name for years and have never misrepresented myself online or off. Since you are an unabashed fraud, how about letting us know if you are a paid fraud or simply a volunteer fraud.

          • Yeah Rick, I seem to recall you giving some people grief a while back because they weren’t posting using real names. Now you claim that your profile is made up B.S. You’re not telling us you’re a hypocrite, are you?

          • who gives a ruck who Igarvin is ?

          • New low rent persona arrives on the scene…

          • Your real employer might not want to be associated with you and your opinions, so you associated yourself with an employer that has no association with you and no choice in the matter.

            Conservative ethics, ladies and gentlemen.

          • I’m sure my employer would have no problem with my opinions. Why don’t you get a life and stop stalking people who you don’t agree with?

          • Compare and contrast:

            ” My employer would fire me in a heart-beat because my work is online, and
            doing anything that might draw unwanted attention to that work could be
            a bad thing.”

            “I’m sure my employer would have no problem with my opinions.”

            Conservative dissembling, ladies and gentlemen.

          • Lenny — Omen talks out of both sides of his mouth.

          • And I thought you too were using your real name.  I do.  The day I think it’s a danger of any kind to express political views, be it from an employer or a foe, is the day I will leave Canada. 

            Maybe I’m the only one who posts here to use my real name!Loraine Lamontagne, Mississauga

          • I’m personally afraid to do that Loraine — you have a lot of courage!!!

          • An observation – that may have to do with the fact that I am a Canadienne.  I note that in French blogues using one’s own name is a lot more frequent.  It’s pretty evenly distributed, with maybe an advantage for one’s real name.

            Have a look at L’Actualité – Maclean’s cousin en français. 


            You anglos are ashamed of your culture, or yourselves, it would appear.  Or maybe you think you are ‘le nombril du monde’!

          • Not ashamed. Considerate. I have in the past been in positions of responsibility for certain boards and organizations. My personal views may at times (heh.. understatement) be more extreme or even very different than those of the board in general.

            These organizations should not be held responsible for, even accountable to, my personal views except where they lead to actual decisions of the group. 

            Additionally, I don’t want people looking at my arguments and deciding I’m right (or wrong) based on who I am and what I happen to do for a living rather than the strength of my comments — nor do I want to be tempted to make arguments on such grounds.  For both of those reasons, I decline to use my real name.

          • You could google my name and get my employer in about 2 seconds flat. I’d rather not have to deal with that. I’m not really anglo. Dutch is my first language. 

          • I’m not exactly on Rick’s side here, but I’ve learned through harsh experience not to use my real name on message boards.  That said, my internet name is clearly a pseudonym, it’s not designed to make people think I’m a completely different person.  It reflects my true views and personality.  I don’t post anywhere with my real name, and I don’t engage in sock-puppetry or cross-posting (i.e. gender fakery).  I did not know that Warren Kinsella was gritgirl, and I consider that kind of fakery unethical, considering his usual field of employment.

          • Well I think this thread alone is a perfect example of how the lefty’s are more than happy to start Googling “me”, finding information about my employer, and looking at my FB friends. Why you all think it’s alright to stalk your political opponents is beyond me. Bill C-30 was a terrifying extension of police powers, but when you all do the same thing as private citizens, it’s alright? Give me a break.

          • For one thing I did not stalk you. I did not look you up on Google or read any of the threads about you. 

            But you insist on behaving like a twelve year old, calling people names – stamping as a ‘lefty’ anyone who disagrees with S. Harper or yourself.  Mr. Harper and his colleagues have done more than their fair share to lower the tone of political discourse, something I presume you would not have the courage to admit. I just don’t recall ever before today viewing attack ads sponsored by a political party on a possible opponent in an election three years down the road.

            With this government, a legitimate opposition to a military mission, which in hindsight brought very legitimate points, was painted as siding with our enemies. 

            The Robocall affair shines a light on political parties and their methods of identifying voters – not only their members or supporters –  and is of great interest for anyone who doesn’t want Canada to have its own Stasi spying on, and secretly compiling data  about the perceived political opinions of, private citizens. If the prime minister of Canada had one ounce of leadership in his body he would address this responsibly, which he doesn’t show any sign of doing.  I chose not to post a sign of a political party on my front lawn last year because in  2008 and again 2011, in my region, some who post signs of the LPC have had the brake lines cut and their homes defaced with hateful graffiti. This is new to Canada.  I’ve lived through one secession referendum (1995)  but did not witness such hateful acts, though family discussions were heated.  That the society I live in is governed by persons who think it’s A-OK to use illegal methods to suppress the right to vote of Canadian citizens is unacceptable to me. Period.  No matter who does it. You refuse to even see that there is a real problem here, and I don’t recall ever reading that you’ve shown any concern for anyone who has had their brake lines cut off because of their political opinions.

          • Well Rick, your the one who created the “false” profile so you really only have yourself to blame. Do you have the capacity to accept responsibility for your actions?

          •   @Rick_Omen:disqus “Well I think this thread alone…”

            So you think the fact that you spent your time making up lies about who you are is some kind of comment on the charactor of the people who discovered – quite by accident – that you are a fraud?

            Man it’s gotta take a lot of work to maintain that level of dishonesty. Do you take supplements?

        • The CIBC breathes a sigh of relief :) 

  10. “You don’t” talk to someone who’s listed as your “Head of Marketing”?

    That must be the oddest marketing department I’ve ever heard of.

    • Reposting, as Disqus is acting up…

      Maybe; maybe not. I had a problem with a Rogers promotion a few months ago; their marketing dept would not take calls from customer service. In order to get an answer to my query, customer service had to email them and the response time quoted to me was 7-10 days. (I didn’t wait for the response; I cancelled the contract.)

    • Maybe not, if you only have one client.

  11. How about claiming to be a Branch Manager for CIBC while misrepresenting yourself online? Ethical?

    • I was ready to rip up my VISA.

    • When I thought he actually worked there I thought listing it as his job was foolish.  Now that I know he doesn’t it was stupid.

      • His Facebook page has the names of places he’s claimed to work. He also claims to be from Toronto. That’s very telling.

        • But was obsessed about the Manitoba election – almost as if he was working it.

  12. Maybe; maybe not. I had a problem with a Rogers promotion a few months ago; their marketing dept would not take calls from customer service. In order to get an answer to my query, customer service had to email them and the response time quoted to me was 7-10 days. (I didn’t wait for the response; I cancelled the contract.)

    • The above was a response to Thwim’s post, two above mine. Disqus is acting up again…

  13. Your definition of a “real name” was inventing any old thing that people could henceforth use to identify you with.

    No i’m not concerned with someone using a screen name.
    I strongly doubt he files his taxes on an alias.

    People are forgetting that nothing about the internet is “official” and you are under no obligation to use a real name for anything that happens on it.

    • But Rick was ragging on people for not using real names a while back. What’s the word for that?

    • People have been using “screen names” since the usenet days for reasons that are both legitimate and illegitimate. It’s legitimate to protect your privacy online – if you so choose – but it’s not legitimate to misrepresent your identity which is what Conservative Rick has been doing.

      It’s the difference between refusing to identify yourself (as is your right) and presenting false identification. The first is standing on your right to privacy, the second is deliberate misrepresentation and leads – very quickly – to immediate suspician  of your motives.

      BTW, I think that your last sentence might come as a bit of a shock to the huge portion of the internet that is now given over to commerce.

      Why do you Conservative partisans have so much trouble with the simplest ethical concepts?

      • Very well put, Mr. Garvin – or should I say Larry? 100% agree.

      • People can go by whatever name they choose, whenever they wish. People have been signing into hotel rooms under all sorts of kooky names since they were invented.  

        Obviously if they are attempting to purchase something online their name would need to match the name on their credit card.

        But it is not illegal to create a false internet identity. Nor is it unethical to decieve people for the purpose of protecting your identity.

        Its only if you are attempting to create false qualifications for the purpose of defrauding people of money that it becomes a problem.

        Why do you Coalition partisans have so much trouble with the simplest concepts of human rights, like the right to privacy ?

        • What an efficient distillation of the Harper Conservative philosphy; Part One – “It’s not unethical to deceive people…” if you think they are out to get you. Part Two – Everyone is out to get you.
          You a “believer” JD?

    • Hilarious – kudos to whoever is doing these.  The movie is an excelent resource.

  14. It’s one thing to use a screen name.  It is another to create a blog, facebook etc. to create an online persona.  Who would do that if you’re just a casual commenter on the internet?

    • Only Pierre Poutine, Rick McKnight, and GritGirl. Oh, and 5% of Facebook’s 300M users…. 

      Lots of people blog under pseudonyms, I certainly didn’t invent it. Mark Twain, you may recall wrote under a pseudonym, and that was well before the Internetz came along. I just created the back story so that it wasn’t *blatantly* obvious that it was a pseudonym. As evidenced here, a simple Google search would reveal that it was obviously fake.

      • No Rick, you’re the fake.

      • Openly stating it’s a pseudonym, rather than creating a fake back story, lends you waaay more credibility than faking it and then getting busted.

      • I’m certainly not one who’s going to suggest there’s a problem with wanting to hide your identity.. but attempting to claim an identity that isn’t your own strikes as something quite different.  Something cowardly even.

        After all, there are only two reasons to do such a thing.
        First, to attempt to use your fake online persona to lend weight to your arguments that they don’t deserve.

        Second, to attempt to make people falsely believe that you are being open and transparent with nothing to hide. But if you actually are such a person, then there’s no reason to attempt to make people falsely believe it through your faked persona.

        In either event, at best it seems to demonstrate a cowardice as to how your opinions will be received, and at worst, a lack of personal morals or respect for those you engage with while in said persona.

      • I have no problem with using pseudonyms, lots of people do it.  But what you have done is to create a fake persona, I assume in an  attempt to give your opinion more authority.  It would be one thing if you claimed to be a bank manager, but to name a particular bank and location is over the line, not to mention stupid.  Unless you actually are Rick  Omen and are a CIBC bank manager – at this point I don’t believe anything you say.  That’s the price you pay for playing silly games.

        • In either event, I won’t be using CIBC’s services soon. It’s weird — Rick seemed so credible to me — I went through the interview process at CIBC and met many people exactly like Rick. I turned down the job (and I really needed it at the time) because I didn’t want to spend time in day prison working for psychotics.

      • Mark Twain did not write under a pseudonym.  Samuel Langhorne Clemens wrote under the pseudonym “Mark Twain.” 

        • Imagine this fraud comparing himself to Mark Twain! Why stop there, Dick Moen? Why not compare yourself to Shakespeare too?

  15. So Rick McKnight is a pseudonym for an unknown Facebook Persona who is an operative of an investment bank in Alberta and an employee of the robocall firm implicated in voter supression, and his on- line friends are primarily Conservative Party operatives. Prime Minister Harper repeatedly expressed his frustration with his repeated Minortity governments before the last election call and now we learn an unknown Knight  who does not want to be known is connected to another unknown Poutine who used robocalls to misdirect  non-conserastive voters and Mr. Harper has his majority government with a monirity of the popular vote and with victories in ridings which may well have been rigged by an unknown Knight on the right.

    • It gets better – Racknine now says  he is  an itinerent Spaniard – just read it in the G&M – you could not make this up.

  16. [Disqus still being cranky; this was a response but was posted as a main entry. have moved comment to where it belonged and replaced this version with this explanatory note.]

  17. [Disqus still being cranky; this was a response but was posted as a main entry. have moved comment to where it belonged and replaced this version with this explanatory note.]

  18. I’ve never encountered a legitimate company that puts their front person in getting new contracts out there under a false identity, complete with an extensive false business profile.  Then the idea that he had to hide his Spanish sounding name, the implication being the clients would be racist or something.  Let’s see this company seems to deal exclusively with Conservatives.  Is Meier implying his clients are racist?  Sounds like it is just an excuse to make the fact that the company uses a fake profile.

    • My wife has done forensic audits on telemarketing companies. She felt that many of them were sleazy scammers.

      We discussed this particular company and she felt this probably had more to do with raising the Rack Nine’s profile on Google so that a search on Robo-callers would place them near the top of the search results.

  19. Neither RackNine nor any of its employees are involved or are under probe for an offence against any other Act of Parliament:

    Not only that, they are all helping out with the investigation in any way possible. The CEO recently traced an IP address on his own initiative and submitted all his findings to Elections Canada. What we need to do now is let the real investigators do their job instead of pointing fingers at innocent people.I personally make a habit of never saying where I work and not listing my former employer on my resume until I have ceased working there, because experience has taught me that there are people who like to spread f all kinds of false rumors and outright lies, like saying you are under probe..

    Now obviously it doesn’t matter anymore, and I will be listing RackNine as soon as I have some spare time to update my CV(s) 0nline.
    And yes, I do confess to the horrendous crime of using different pseudonyms for handling different social media accounts. In fact, I have made literally dozens more, one for each of my clients, primarily because:1- It is a very convenient way of organizing different accounts and helps me group all logins and passwords under one profile different from my own.2- If I stop working for that particular client, it is very easy to just handle over that account, rather than having to meddle with my own personal profile.3- One of the most difficult parts of creating a website is to actually get your clients to provide content to populate the pages you make. They say they will send it over, but the truth is most of the time it takes ages, if ever. I end up getting the content from the Internet and writing it myself in order to finish off websites. It’s exactly the same thing that happens when I ask my clients to open social media accounts and send me the credentials. They are either too busy or lack the knowledge.4- EVERYBODY who works creating websites and / or on social media marketing, and has more than a few clients knows all of this, and they all end up doing exactly the same thing, because otherwise the job never gets done and therefore the client will never pay for a website that is unfinished. Such is the life of a web devigner these days. I’m not complaining though I thoroughly enjoy it. 

  20. The people I don’t want to have anything to do with are those who insult, threaten, spread lies and libel for the only reason that you don’t happen to be on their side. They have harassed just about everyone they could find out were working at the company. We had to make all of our blogs and social media outlets private and moderated because we were getting allkinds of insults, threats, etc., not only directed to us, but even to people whose only “crime” was to be connected to us. They went as far as posting the address and telephone number of someone living in Edmonton, just because he / she shares the same last name as I do, Martinez. Have they apologized afterward for getting that unknown person in trouble? Not at all, they just went on, couldn’t care less. And then they have the nerve to claim they’re fighting for freedom and democracy. What a joke.

    • Sorry ‘Rafael’ ,but if you play this silly fake name game,  you cannot expect to be considered credible.

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