‘Promises, promises, and more promises’

by Aaron Wherry

Peter Devries, the former director of the fiscal policy division in the Department of Finance, dissects Jim Flaherty’s latest projections.

It was claimed in the budget and again in the Harper Platform that a “Strategic and Operating Review” could yield savings of $1 billion in 2012-13, $2 billion in 2013-14 and $4 billion ongoing by improving “the efficiency and effectiveness of government operations and programs”. In other words,in the language of budget planners “we don’t have a clue where to find the savings so we will put in a “plug” of $4 billion”. If it is easy now to find $4 billion in annual savings through “efficiencies” then why didn’t the government start 5 years ago? … Anyone who has actually been involved in controlling and cutting program expenditures will tell you that it is not possible to find savings of that amount through “efficiencies”. To find credible savings that would generate $4 billion ongoing would require elimination/cuts to existing programs.

Paul Wells spoke with Mr. Flaherty last night.




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‘Promises, promises, and more promises’

  1. "Then there is attrition, Public service personnel costs total about $27 billion. The Prime Minister has said it would be easy to find $4 billion annually through attrition, not replacing employee who have retired or left the public service for other reasons. That would require a 15% cut in personnel costs. This implies that current services can be delivered with substantially fewer resources. Such a cut would be impossible without actually eliminating programs – something that this government has not been willing to do since 2006."

    Well, a good start would be cutting the size of his cabinet by 15%. I guess we shall see.

  2. "Then there is attrition, Public service personnel costs total about $27 billion. The Prime Minister has said it would be easy to find $4 billion annually through attrition, not replacing employee who have retired or left the public service for other reasons. That would require a 15% cut in personnel costs. This implies that current services can be delivered with substantially fewer resources. Such a cut would be impossible without actually eliminating programs – something that this government has not been willing to do since 2006."

    Well, a good start would be cutting the size of his cabinet by 15%. I guess we shall see.

  3. As I continue to say, Harpers people are being told what to say. His handlers hold Canadians in contempt and believe we are stupid and will believe anything. The conservative core do believe anything they say and the goal is to get the rest of Canadians disgusted in politics and not vote. The new youth movement "We are voting" must be scaring Harper half to death! They cannot control the youth and the Harper war room is now brain storming on how to reverse or stop the youth movement from voting. I believe Harper has been successful in scaring Canadians into voting. His scare mongering is back firing!

  4. As I continue to say, Harpers people are being told what to say. His handlers hold Canadians in contempt and believe we are stupid and will believe anything. The conservative core do believe anything they say and the goal is to get the rest of Canadians disgusted in politics and not vote. The new youth movement "We are voting" must be scaring Harper half to death! They cannot control the youth and the Harper war room is now brain storming on how to reverse or stop the youth movement from voting. I believe Harper has been successful in scaring Canadians into voting. His scare mongering is back firing!

    • "I believe Harper has been successful in scaring Canadians into voting. His scare mongering is back firing!"

      I think I know what you meant, though I had to read it a couple of times.

      Oh and hey, you should really write a book. Because these are some seriously insightful comments. I'm sure you would have no problem finding a publisher. Also, I can't believe that Coyne and Wells never talk about the conservative core who are stupid and will believe anything, and Harper's grand strategy to disgust Canadians into not voting. Those two are disgraceful for having missed these topics, but then again, your book hasn't been published and we can't expect them to have been as insightful as you. Where can I pre-order?

      • They are reporters who have to satisfy editors, I don't. Tories know that if Canadians do not vote, in disgust of the system, then the tories will benefit because the tories all vote. They like to keep their hands in the cookie jar and they can't do that in opposition. Here's another one for the readers here, advanced polls are not for the purpose of providing a voting opportunity to those that cannot vote on election day, they are there so political parties can pick up voters and get them to the polls and try to win the election before election day. In my hometown that means the tories pick up the people on social assistance, the poor and scare them into voting tory or they will cut them off their assistance. I've seen it happen at every election in our town. They actually hang around the high school and creep high school students. pathetic!

        • Jon. was just kidding about that book thing.

          • really? I wasn't born yesterday. lol.

  5. "I believe Harper has been successful in scaring Canadians into voting. His scare mongering is back firing!"

    I think I know what you meant, though I had to read it a couple of times.

    Oh and hey, you should really write a book. Because these are some seriously insightful comments. I'm sure you would have no problem finding a publisher. Also, I can't believe that Coyne and Wells never talk about the conservative core who are stupid and will believe anything, and Harper's grand strategy to disgust Canadians into not voting. Those two are disgraceful for having missed these topics, but then again, your book hasn't been published and we can't expect them to have been as insightful as you. Where can I pre-order?

  6. Under Mike Harris (aside from the slashing of programs like Healthcare) there was a move to centralize I/T under 5 yr-strategic plans. Turned out to be a disaster – too big and unwieldy. They had to reverse course and revert to what they now call I/T clusters – which is small groups of ministries in complementary program areas.
    And then of course – there was Harris' biggest doozy – when he ignored the recommendations of his own Amalgamation Commission – co-chaired by his future Minister of Municipal Affairs – and amalgamated the former GTA municipalities and Metro into a single CAMEL!

  7. Under Mike Harris (aside from the slashing of programs like Healthcare) there was a move to centralize I/T under 5 yr-strategic plans. Turned out to be a disaster – too big and unwieldy. They had to reverse course and revert to what they now call I/T clusters – which is small groups of ministries in complementary program areas.
    And then of course – there was Harris' biggest doozy – when he ignored the recommendations of his own Amalgamation Commission – co-chaired by his future Minister of Municipal Affairs – and amalgamated the former GTA municipalities and Metro into a single CAMEL!

    • Folks might remember one IT folly… called the long gun registry (which I support the continuation of but definitely did not support the development costs of). This was a new application – not an extraordinarily complicated application at that – which somehow managed to cost upwards of a billion dollars to implement and roll out, coming in at many times its original projected cost.

      IT rationalization will cost money before it saves money, you can bank on it.

  8. If you're looking for a "dissection" of Iggy's promises, you won't find one here.

    Indeed, you won't really find one anywhere.

    Note to voters: if you want a party that will be held accountable by the press, vote conservative.

    If you want a party that will be coddled and allowed to propose fantasy like numbers, putting the country in jeopardy, all while the leftist obedient media turn a blind eye,

    vote Liberal.

  9. If you're looking for a "dissection" of Iggy's promises, you won't find one here.

    Indeed, you won't really find one anywhere.

    Note to voters: if you want a party that will be held accountable by the press, vote conservative.

    If you want a party that will be coddled and allowed to propose fantasy like numbers, putting the country in jeopardy, all while the leftist obedient media turn a blind eye,

    vote Liberal.

    • Have you ever checked out the Ottawa Citizen/Vancouver Sun/National Post?

      Or do you just like paranoid fantasies?

      • Oh you mean if the rabid partisanship expressed by 90% of the media isn't complete at 100% its nothing to worry about?

        Our major daily had the fact that two people were ejected from a Harper rally as FRONT PAGE NEWS. Not on the political pages, but depicted as the most important fact of all the facts the city should know, with the caption that 'HARPER'S CAMPAIGN BUBBLE BURSTS".

        Igyy having a founder of a white supremist party as a candidate the next day? About twenty pages in, and the size of a postage stamp.

        It happens daily.

        Daily.

        • Well you've told us repeatedly that Iggy stands no chance of getting in anyway, so don't worry about it.

          • Because the media is an important institution for our democracy.

            The result isn't so much that it will help Iggy (in fact there are many arguments that it is actually hurting him…for instance it creates a false echo chamber rather than a reality check, there's also the fact that most studies now on media credibility show it is at an all time low, so in fact the public may recoil and support Harper who they percieve as being treated unfairly)…

            it's that the media is essentially putting itself out of business, and our polity needs a vital media. Our polity also needs a vital opposition. Hand in hand Iggy and their media enablers have turned a once great party into scandal chasers.

            Finally there's the basic notion that an institution that abuses its role (under the guise of informing they're advocating, like a ref who throws a game for "his" team), is inherently wrong.

            BTW, this response wasn't really intended for you, as I know you could care less about these issues based on your historical comments, but for readers of these comments who may care.

          • If 'the media is an important institution for our democracy' then perhaps Harper should let them out of the cage, and answer their questions.

            But if 'the media is essentially putting itself our of business' then rejoice because Harper won't have to answer for what he does.

            You can't have it both ways, chet

          • Relax dude, Sun TV will soon be on the air. Then it will all seem like a bad dream.

        • chiff''s clearly getting nervous…wonder where all that bravado from 2 weeks ago went?

          • This is what I'm talking about.

            Richard is believing the media when they tell him Iggy's doing great. So he taunts me as if Iggy, and not Harper, is at almost 41 percent in the latest Nanos. Iggy goes up a couple of points on the leadership index and its hailed as a breakthough, meanwhile his personal numbers are teeny tiny compared to Harpers.

            Yet two people were kicked out of a Harper campaign, so all of Canada will suddenly trust Iggy with our economy? So sad what the media are doing to their true believers.

          • This is not an election that will have any meaningful impact on our economy one way or the other. Shifting a few percentage points here or there, cutting/increasing a few social programs, or adding/taking away a few tax credits will have no meaningful impact on Canada's economy… It is only treating symptoms, not curing the disease. The end will result will simply be that people who work will be a bit better off while people that cant/dont will be a bit worse off. Or vice a versa. Either way the economy as a whole will be unchanged.

            What our economy needs its comprehensive structural reform, and that isnt on the table… it isnt even being discussed on the national stage. Until it is this election, or any other, is not about the economy and it shouldnt even be brought up.

            At best the contrast of this election can be cast between two differing philosophies of government fiscal policy. Even then the actual degree of variance between the two parties is negligible… What impact fiscal policy, if any, has on the economy is still a huge question mark.

      • A student's ejected from a Harper rally and its on every highlight reel accross the country. Highlighted on every newspage accross the land.

        The Carson story is being pounded away at incessantly.

        Iggy standing shoulder to shoulder with a candidate CURRENTLY CHARGED WITH A CRIMINAL OFFENCE (Rodriguez)….not even a whisper.

        It's not even close.

        The media are overwhelminly left leaning, and left leaning journalists are actively utilizing media resources to propagandize for the Liberals.

        • I would suggest then you stop reading 'left leaning' articles….try the NP or any of the Quebecor subsidiaries…say the Sun chain…they are for all intents and purposes cheerleader for the Tories and will take anything out of context to create misinformed impressions of the Grits….or you can just take all articles with a grain of salt and stop your complaining.

          • Actually, they usually take the "news" portion from the same places the others do, CP, AP. Their coverage is the same.

            What you appear to be objecting to is another voice on the opinion side. Which to many leftists is near tragic.

            If you can show me headline upon headline anywhere, Sun or otherwise, of Iggy having a White Supremist leader in the party or any of the other things I cite above I'd be glad to look.

            But the reality is it just isn't there.

          • As for Sun TV, well there's an outcry that it will even be carried, with real concerns the cable providers wont put in on.

            Meanwhile the leftist CBC goes on and on, worse yet, subsidized by taxpayers.

          • chet, the topic at hand is that the Conservatives have suddenly inserted an extra $11 billion in spending room into their multi-year projections that were just 17 days old.

            They have not explained where the Strategic Review savings they included in their 17-day-old projection came from, and now they're suddenly claiming many times that amount can be saved — all without cutting services or raising taxes.

            The media is reporting this. It's not a leftist conspiracy. To report on what a party said (and didn't say) 17 days ago and what they are (and aren't) saying now is called journalism.

          • Maybe the Conservatives should just tell us that they will simply raise taxes, like Igg and Jack to pay for the promises.
            This would make a terrific headline the lefty media would print on their front page

      • That second thing you mentioned, that's the one. But he's not allowed to say it, or they deliver an electric shock.

    • Heh

      Getting your excuses ready in case your predictions of a colossal vote collapse for the LPC does not come true I see.

      That is what I like about you biff. Always good for a laugh.

      • I wish I had your attitude. To me, reading him is like chewing the same tinfoil over and over and over.

  10. Have you ever checked out the Ottawa Citizen/Vancouver Sun/National Post?

    Or do you just like paranoid fantasies?

  11. Oh you mean if the rabid partisanship expressed by 90% of the media isn't complete at 100% its nothing to worry about?

    Our major daily had the fact that two people were ejected from a Harper rally as FRONT PAGE NEWS. Not on the political pages, but depicted as the most important fact of all the facts the city should know, with the caption that 'HARPER'S CAMPAIGN BUBBLE BURSTS".

    Igyy having a founder of a white supremist party as a candidate the next day? About twenty pages in, and the size of a postage stamp.

    It happens daily.

    Daily.

  12. A student's ejected from a Harper rally and its on every highlight reel accross the country. Highlighted on every newspage accross the land.

    The Carson story is being pounded away at incessantly.

    Iggy standing shoulder to shoulder with a candidate CURRENTLY CHARGED WITH A CRIMINAL OFFENCE (Rodriguez)….not even a whisper.

    It's not even close.

    The media are overwhelminly left leaning, and left leaning journalists are actively utilizing media resources to propagandize for the Liberals.

  13. Well you've told us repeatedly that Iggy stands no chance of getting in anyway, so don't worry about it.

  14. Because the media is an important institution for our democracy.

    The result isn't so much that it will help Iggy (in fact there are many arguments that it is actually hurting him…for instance it creates a false echo chamber rather than a reality check, there's also the fact that most studies now on media credibility show it is at an all time low, so in fact the public may recoil and support Harper who they percieve as being treated unfairly)…

    it's that the media is essentially putting itself out of business, and our polity needs a vital media. Our polity also needs a vital opposition. Hand in hand Iggy and their media enablers have turned a once great party into scandal chasers.

    Finally there's the basic notion that an institution that abuses its role (under the guise of informing they're advocating, like a ref who throws a game for "his" team), is inherently wrong.

    BTW, this response wasn't really intended for you, as I know you could care less about these issues based on your historical comments, but for readers of these comments who may care.

  15. chiff''s clearly getting nervous…wonder where all that bravado from 2 weeks ago went?

  16. If 'the media is an important institution for our democracy' then perhaps Harper should let them out of the cage, and answer their questions.

    But if 'the media is essentially putting itself our of business' then rejoice because Harper won't have to answer for what he does.

    You can't have it both ways, chet

  17. I would suggest then you stop reading 'left leaning' articles….try the NP or any of the Quebecor subsidiaries…say the Sun chain…they are for all intents and purposes cheerleader for the Tories and will take anything out of context to create misinformed impressions of the Grits….or you can just take all articles with a grain of salt and stop your complaining.

  18. Relax dude, Sun TV will soon be on the air. Then it will all seem like a bad dream.

  19. Actually, they usually take the "news" portion from the same places the others do, CP, AP. Their coverage is the same.

    What you appear to be objecting to is another voice on the opinion side. Which to many leftists is near tragic.

    If you can show me headline upon headline anywhere, Sun or otherwise, of Iggy having a White Supremist leader in the party or any of the other things I cite above I'd be glad to look.

    But the reality is it just isn't there.

  20. As for Sun TV, well there's an outcry that it will even be carried, with real concerns the cable providers wont put in on.

    Meanwhile the leftist CBC goes on and on, worse yet, subsidized by taxpayers.

  21. This is what I'm talking about.

    Richard is believing the media when they tell him Iggy's doing great. So he taunts me as if Iggy, and not Harper, is at almost 41 percent in the latest Nanos. Iggy goes up a couple of points on the leadership index and its hailed as a breakthough, meanwhile his personal numbers are teeny tiny compared to Harpers.

    Yet two people were kicked out of a Harper campaign, so all of Canada will suddenly trust Iggy with our economy? So sad what the media are doing to their true believers.

  22. chet, the topic at hand is that the Conservatives have suddenly inserted an extra $11 billion in spending room into their multi-year projections that were just 17 days old.

    They have not explained where the Strategic Review savings they included in their 17-day-old projection came from, and now they're suddenly claiming many times that amount can be saved — all without cutting services or raising taxes.

    The media is reporting this. It's not a leftist conspiracy. To report on what a party said (and didn't say) 17 days ago and what they are (and aren't) saying now is called journalism.

  23. Yep, a liberal hack – why am I not surprised, lol!!!

    "Department of Finance Pete DeVries – who helped balance the budget in the 1990's under a Liberal government – praised the prudent fiscal approach outlined in the Liberal Platform to reduce the deficit and focus on the priorities of Canadians:

    “In our opinion, the estimates used in the Liberal platform are reasonable.

    “If oil prices continue to stay above the level assumed in the March 2011 Budget, and commodity prices continue to rise then corporate profits will be higher and the revenue savings resulting from keeping the rate at 18% could actually be higher than in the Liberal platform."

  24. Yep, a liberal hack – why am I not surprised, lol!!!

    "Department of Finance Pete DeVries – who helped balance the budget in the 1990's under a Liberal government – praised the prudent fiscal approach outlined in the Liberal Platform to reduce the deficit and focus on the priorities of Canadians:

    “In our opinion, the estimates used in the Liberal platform are reasonable.

    “If oil prices continue to stay above the level assumed in the March 2011 Budget, and commodity prices continue to rise then corporate profits will be higher and the revenue savings resulting from keeping the rate at 18% could actually be higher than in the Liberal platform."

    • Ooh, good point, Leo. Thanks for posting that. Also, this tax cut the Conservatives like to speak of served the oil companies? I hadn't thought of it like that before.

  25. Folks might remember one IT folly… called the long gun registry (which I support the continuation of but definitely did not support the development costs of). This was a new application – not an extraordinarily complicated application at that – which somehow managed to cost upwards of a billion dollars to implement and roll out, coming in at many times its original projected cost.

    IT rationalization will cost money before it saves money, you can bank on it.

  26. While chet is busy trying to get everyone chasing new shiny objects, let's point out the actual topic here.

    "If it is easy now to find $4 billion in annual savings through “efficiencies” then why didn't the government start 5 years ago? … Anyone who has actually been involved in controlling and cutting program expenditures will tell you that it is not possible to find savings of that amount through “efficiencies”."

    Yeah, Harper/Flaherty are lying again.

  27. While chet is busy trying to get everyone chasing new shiny objects, let's point out the actual topic here.

    "If it is easy now to find $4 billion in annual savings through “efficiencies” then why didn't the government start 5 years ago? … Anyone who has actually been involved in controlling and cutting program expenditures will tell you that it is not possible to find savings of that amount through “efficiencies”."

    Yeah, Harper/Flaherty are lying again.

    • If you listen to each leader, they tell us that the other parties are all lying to us.
      Even the coaltion state that their members are not telling us the truth.
      If we believe this, then they are all liars.
      Why doesn't your media come out and say so?

      • One of the drawbacks of democracy….in order to do ANYthing you have to get elected first.

        In order to get elected you have to tell people what they want to hear.

        I don't own any media.

  28. Why no "dissecting" of the Liberal or other coalition platforms? If Harper gets a minority, we might well see those policies implemented, and our pocketbooks affected, no? Yet Wherry and Co. just wanna stick it to Harper. Why? I thought this election was supposed to be about democracy, not about making the Harper bashers feel really good about themselves.

  29. Why no "dissecting" of the Liberal or other coalition platforms? If Harper gets a minority, we might well see those policies implemented, and our pocketbooks affected, no? Yet Wherry and Co. just wanna stick it to Harper. Why? I thought this election was supposed to be about democracy, not about making the Harper bashers feel really good about themselves.

  30. Why no "dissecting" of the Liberal or other coalition platforms?

    Been there, done that. On multiple occasions. Last week. You know, when that platform came out? Coyne even wrote a pretty nice diatribe on the "70's" Liberal Platform.

    Now the Conservative one's up at bat because, well, it was released yesterday. Do you actually have something useful to say about the criticism that they seem to be pulling numbers out of the nether, some credible evidence to the contrary perhaps, or do you just want to continue to sit in the corner and scream about how the mythical liberal media is all out to get you because they dare point this out?

  31. Why no "dissecting" of the Liberal or other coalition platforms?

    Been there, done that. On multiple occasions. Last week. You know, when that platform came out? Coyne even wrote a pretty nice diatribe on the "70's" Liberal Platform.

    Now the Conservative one's up at bat because, well, it was released yesterday. Do you actually have something useful to say about the criticism that they seem to be pulling numbers out of the nether, some credible evidence to the contrary perhaps, or do you just want to continue to sit in the corner and scream about how the mythical liberal media is all out to get you because they dare point this out?

    • Wherry has posted a dissection of the Liberal party platform? And I guess he's got a "I love Harper" sticker plastered outside his bedroom window, too, right?

      Party platforms are always filled with holes. They are inherently political documents. But, if you listen to Wherry and gang, you'd think that the Harper government has shot someone.

      • You can get help for your problem, chet, and if you dislike our "socialist" health care system, someone in the U.S. can be of service–for a substantial fee, that is.

        According to the [U.S.] Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, "reasonable" charges for a 45- to 50-minute therapy session are $70-$130 for a psychiatrist and $65-$114 for a psychologist.

        You may need only 52 weekly sessions. ;-)

        • a) I'm Dennis_F, so you might want to think twice about pointing fingers at others regarding their sanity.

          b) About that, what is it about accusing opponents of needing mental help? What kind of garbage political tactic is this? Man.

          • a) hard to tell some days, old sport.

          • Learned it from Stephen Harper and the CPoC–weren't YOU paying attention for the past few years? I guess now you know how Dion felt and how Ignatieff must feel. And I really do not care what your name is, you simply strike me as an insensitive jerk, who only ever gets offended when someone calls him on his delusional BS.

            Do you like that now chet?

          • You accuse your opponents of all kinds of nonsense, but look at that nonsense and garbage you're up to here. And you can't even get my name right, either. lol. Too funny.

          • @Dennis_F — My rant was totally out of line. I apologize. I was stupid. Carry on.

          • Don't worry, Dennis F is just as much a jerk as chet, in his own way.

      • Wherry has posted a dissection of the Liberal party platform?

        Wherry has done a post on economists targeting the basis of the Liberal platform: that they'll actually get the money they need from reverting the tax cuts. But, then you should know this; you posted in that thread after all. Last week. Maybe you should see a doctor about that recollection problem before it gets worse.

        I guess he's got a "I love Harper" sticker plastered outside his bedroom window, too, right?

        Because a Conservative bias is better than a Liberal bias? I thought we wanted neutrality here.

        I also love how we went from "Wherry et all" down to just Wherry.

        Party platforms are always filled with holes

        There's a difference between "holes" and directly contradicting the Budget you released two weeks ago.

        • lol, what Wherry post are you talking about? Please link to this. I have to see this. lol

  32. Wherry has posted a dissection of the Liberal party platform? And I guess he's got a "I love Harper" sticker plastered outside his bedroom window, too, right?

    Party platforms are always filled with holes. They are inherently political documents. But, if you listen to Wherry and gang, you'd think that the Harper government has shot someone.

  33. This is not an election that will have any meaningful impact on our economy one way or the other. Shifting a few percentage points here or there, cutting/increasing a few social programs, or adding/taking away a few tax credits will have no meaningful impact on Canada's economy… It is only treating symptoms, not curing the disease. The end will result will simply be that people who work will be a bit better off while people that cant/dont will be a bit worse off. Or vice a versa. Either way the economy as a whole will be unchanged.

    What our economy needs its comprehensive structural reform, and that isnt on the table… it isnt even being discussed on the national stage. Until it is this election, or any other, is not about the economy and it shouldnt even be brought up.

    At best the contrast of this election can be cast between two differing philosophies of government fiscal policy. Even then the actual degree of variance between the two parties is negligible… What impact fiscal policy, if any, has on the economy is still a huge question mark.

  34. You can get help for your problem, chet, and if you dislike our "socialist" health care system, someone in the U.S. can be of service–for a substantial fee, that is.

    According to the [U.S.] Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, "reasonable" charges for a 45- to 50-minute therapy session are $70-$130 for a psychiatrist and $65-$114 for a psychologist.

    You may need only 52 weekly sessions. ;-)

  35. Wherry has posted a dissection of the Liberal party platform?

    Wherry has done a post on economists targeting the basis of the Liberal platform: that they'll actually get the money they need from reverting the tax cuts. But, then you should know this; you posted in that thread after all. Last week. Maybe you should see a doctor about that recollection problem before it gets worse.

    I guess he's got a "I love Harper" sticker plastered outside his bedroom window, too, right?

    Because a Conservative bias is better than a Liberal bias? I thought we wanted neutrality here.

    I also love how we went from "Wherry et all" down to just Wherry.

    Party platforms are always filled with holes

    There's a difference between "holes" and directly contradicting the Budget you released two weeks ago.

  36. a) I'm Dennis_F, so you might want to think twice about pointing fingers at others regarding their sanity.

    b) About that, what is it about accusing opponents of needing mental help? What kind of garbage political tactic is this? Man.

  37. Heh

    Getting your excuses ready in case your predictions of a colossal vote collapse for the LPC does not come true I see.

    That is what I like about you biff. Always good for a laugh.

  38. lol, what Wherry post are you talking about? Please link to this. I have to see this. lol

  39. I really think Harper thought he was going to coast to victory on his "evil coalition" platform. When it became obvious that was not going to do it for him he started making things up on the fly.

  40. I really think Harper thought he was going to coast to victory on his "evil coalition" platform. When it became obvious that was not going to do it for him he started making things up on the fly.

  41. That second thing you mentioned, that's the one. But he's not allowed to say it, or they deliver an electric shock.

  42. I wish I had your attitude. To me, reading him is like chewing the same tinfoil over and over and over.

  43. a) hard to tell some days, old sport.

  44. Learned it from Stephen Harper and the CPoC–weren't YOU paying attention for the past few years? I guess now you know how Dion felt and how Ignatieff must feel. And I really do not care what your name is, you simply strike me as an insensitive jerk, who only ever gets offended when someone calls him on his delusional BS.

    Do you like that now chet?

  45. You accuse your opponents of all kinds of nonsense, but look at that nonsense and garbage you're up to here. And you can't even get my name right, either. lol. Too funny.

  46. @Dennis_F — My rant was totally out of line. I apologize. I was stupid. Carry on.

  47. Don't worry, Dennis F is just as much a jerk as chet, in his own way.

  48. They are reporters who have to satisfy editors, I don't. Tories know that if Canadians do not vote, in disgust of the system, then the tories will benefit because the tories all vote. They like to keep their hands in the cookie jar and they can't do that in opposition. Here's another one for the readers here, advanced polls are not for the purpose of providing a voting opportunity to those that cannot vote on election day, they are there so political parties can pick up voters and get them to the polls and try to win the election before election day. In my hometown that means the tories pick up the people on social assistance, the poor and scare them into voting tory or they will cut them off their assistance. I've seen it happen at every election in our town. They actually hang around the high school and creep high school students. pathetic!

  49. Jon. was just kidding about that book thing.

  50. Ooh, good point, Leo. Thanks for posting that. Also, this tax cut the Conservatives like to speak of served the oil companies? I hadn't thought of it like that before.

  51. really? I wasn't born yesterday. lol.

  52. Maybe the Conservatives should just tell us that they will simply raise taxes, like Igg and Jack to pay for the promises.
    This would make a terrific headline the lefty media would print on their front page

  53. If you listen to each leader, they tell us that the other parties are all lying to us.
    Even the coaltion state that their members are not telling us the truth.
    If we believe this, then they are all liars.
    Why doesn't your media come out and say so?

  54. One of the drawbacks of democracy….in order to do ANYthing you have to get elected first.

    In order to get elected you have to tell people what they want to hear.

    I don't own any media.

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