Scary hypotheticals

Justin Trudeau offers a complicated hypothetical involving gay marriage, abortion and “ten thousand” other things to explain how he could maybe one day think Quebec needs to separate from Canada. Via Twitter, he attempts to clarify.

Jesse Helmer Seriously, @justinpjtrudeau? Please reassure me you are not OK with Quebec separating.

Justin Trudeau, MP @jesse_helmer Don’t worry, Jesse: exactly the opposite: Canada needs Qc to balance out Harper’s vision that I (and many) just don’t support.




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Scary hypotheticals

  1. Can the Rest of Canada hold a referendum to decide if we want welfare bum prov of Que to remain part of Canada? I think it would be fascinating to discover how many Canadians actually like Que and think it contributes positively to Canada. 

    PJ O’Rourke ~ At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child – miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats.

    • Quebec seems to be the sensible child in this debate. I’d move there if I could speak French.

      • Yes, but there is the rub…you aren’t French so you aren’t welcome.  You can feel good about yourself though…live in a “have” province, work hard and your tax dollars will help pay for the great social programs in Quebec.  That way, you will contribute to that province and give them a good reason for staying in Canada.

    • Well, it isn’t as if they had a much of a choice to join.  Discount it all you like.  These issues just don’t ever go away.  You’ve got a sublimated case of conqueror’s remorse.  

    • Yes, fascinating to fan the flames of xenophobia.

      You could ask the same thing of Canada about Alberta, or Newfoundland, or Ontario, or Manitoba, Nunavut, hell, pretty much anywhere except for maybe BC and get the same answer.

      • I challenge that notion.  I would say that there are two central provinces who have a real issue with Alberta for god knows what reason.  I cannot think of anyone who has a problem with Newfoundland, Manitoba or Nunavit.  Newfoundland is now a “have” province, who would want them to separate?

    • Please contact your MP to make this happen!
      Faced with such bigotry it would give us the motivation we need to finally make it on our own..!

  2. Well, if Quebec ever leaves, Ontario should go with it.

    We could return to the original Canada.

    • Yep. Harper can move his government to a tailing pond outside of Ft. McMurray and enjoy the full richness of the resource economy he so loves.

      • Works for me!

        • I think that’s the “Eau de Source” of Steve Harper’s koolaid.

          • Wiebo Ludwig may have been right after all.

    • I’m happy to help you pack.  I’ll even borrow my cousin’s truck.

      • I don’t need to pack….I live in Ontario.

        But I’ll be glad to wave goodbye to you.

        • In homage to your philosophical mentor:

          “Make it so”

          • If you think an actor is a philosophical mentor, you know little about philosophy.

            You should be over at the G&M today…a few Conbots are in hysterics, but many people there agree with me. I was surprised myself.

          • You don’t give yourself enough credit for the hypnotic effect your towering intellect has on others.  In fact, I think you should get the ball rolling on this Ontario/Quebec going it alone thing by leading a new party with that as its’ central plank.  I’ve got my cheque book out!

          • @GreatWallsofFire:disqus 

            If I was 20 years younger I would do so…however apparently I don’t need to. Other people are considering the same thing.

            Nowt to do with me or your jealousy….it’s just that ‘There is nothing so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

          • Just ensure (get it!) to take certain political progeny with you.

          • @GreatWallofFire:disqus 

            Don’t worry, you’ll get plenty of refugees to take care of.

            We’ll keep the good types.

    • Great idea. Maybe you can go to the monarchy for a bailout when you’re bankrupt country runs out of money to fund your precious social programs.

      • Tsk tsk…Harper is very fond of that monarchy. LOL

        And since Ont produces 40% of Canada’s GDP, while Alberta produces 16%, we won’t be needing your petrostate.

        • Are you seriously on crack? Ontario is already running unsustainable deficits, as well as Quebec. Ontario will have to make up the $8B in equalization payments to Quebec, so you can quickly add another $8B to Ontario’s deficit. 

          Ontario produces 37% of Canada’s GDP, but has 38% of the population. So you under perform. Not to mention the fact that everyone west of Sudbury would probably rather stick with the winners in the West than through their lot in with the fiscal basket case known as Dalton McGuinty.

          • You can look it up dear boy.

            We are doing just fine….in fact we have a premier who promotes growth, not self-sabotaging cutbacks.

            You might wanna think about all that oil….and how you’ve still ended up with a deficit in Alberta.

          • OK. So crack it is.

          • It’s nice that most of the West is in no way like you present yourself here. It really is juvenile playground neener-neener-grade stuff going on. 

          • He doesn’t like it ….or understand it….when it’s handed back though I notice. LOL

          • I’m merely pointing out statistical facts.If that’s juvenile, then so be it.

    • Yeah, I’ve thought so, too.

      • Seems to be a growing number of people who do…Ont and Que are entirely different from the rest of Canada, and basically the ROC is holding us back.

        • Of course “the rest of Canada” is holding Ontario and Quebec back.  Ontario is the centre of the universe….you guys burn so bright no one can share your stage.  You really should separate.

          • As I’ve said many times before, Ontario and Quebec are the only provinces that industrialized.

            The rest of Canada is pre-industrial….a different way of living and thinking.

            So go for it….but we want to move on to the knowledge economy….not get tangled up in your petrostate.

      • We’ll be sorry to see you go Jenn but wish you well.

        • Thanks, Healthcare Insider.  But read further down (or farther up, depending on how disqus chooses to sort the thread.  And does anyone else notice that picking a selection in the Sort by box really doesn’t do much?)

    • Just don’t forget to take your portion of the national debt with you…I do believe it is based on population.

      • Oh I think we’ve paid enough in equalization payments all these years to cover it.

  3. #$%! Trudeau. The best argument against Liberalism that anyone could ask for…

    I Imagine that Harper is a big contributor to Justin’s fundraising efforts. He’s kicking in another $1000 this morning and making Vic Toews do the same.

    What a bloody idiot!!!

  4. Jesse is now the 2nd best dodgeball player to every be mentioned on Macleans.ca.

    • Jesse plays dodgeball?

    • You’re so humble, Moffatt.  Ever tried to dodge a wrench?

  5. So what ? I read somewhere recently (too lazy to look it up) .. I think it was Eliot ..
    to the effect that civil wars can be won or lost but they never really end.

  6. Justin Trudeau, conditional-Canadian.

    • Well Harper has no allegiance at all to Canada

      “Whether Canada ends up as one national government, or two national governments, or several national governments or some other kind of arrangement is, quite frankly, secondary in my opinion.”

      • He was doing his best to channel Thatcher.

        • He liked his little firewall society though.

    • Alberta firewall, northern welfare state, BQ traitors… Steve,conditional Canadian. There’s alot of it about when passions get heated on all sides.

      • I was reading this thread, and everyone seems to either want to leave or kick some other province out.  But only Justin isn’t allowed to say it.  Did I mean it?  Hell no.  But only Justin isn’t allowed to say something when emotions are running high.

        • I tried to make this point elsewhere – people forget he is a Quebecer as well as a Canadian.

    • You’ve seen it here first folks! The next attack ad to be broadcast. Coming in 2014, a year prior to the next election.

      Justin Trudeau: he won’t stay here for you.

  7. “Justin Trudeau offers a complicated hypothetical involving gay marriage, abortion and “ten
    thousand” other things to explain how he could maybe one day think
    Quebec needs to separate from Canada.”

    Amazing how liberals have to try and define a country. I mean, what would Canada be without the killing of all those babies or the extra recognition of people’s alternative sex lives!

    “Don’t worry, Jesse: exactly the opposite: Canada needs Qc to balance out Harper’s vision that I (and many) just don’t support.”

    Too bad for little Trudeau that Canadian democracy thinks otherwise. His family has had a long and ongoing appreciation for communist Cuba, right? Not a surprise.

    • Hey Dennis — I’ll take Trudeau’s vision over Harper’s lack thereof any day!

      • Me too.

      • You like his communist Cuba’s vision over Canada democratic vision? Good for you…not.

      • Can’t wait to see what visions manifest after his charity boxing match.  His reasoning can only improve after a series of blows to his head.

    • Can’t live in a country without abortion and gay marriage… sounds like Justin would have voted Yes in 1980.

  8. My bad for having no French but really the translation for that link is almost incomprehensible, at least as far as missing any important nuances go.

    Trudeau probably shouldn’t go there but he is a Quebecer too after all; even his papa said if Quebec goes i go with it; and no, Canada wasn’t necessarilly eternal…meaning as far as i can see that the relationship has to worked at like any other meaningful relationship, it you want to make sure it doesn’t wither away – which it shows some sign of doing these last 10 or 20 years.

    Where i would take issue with JT [ if i even understood the translation ] is that he shouldn’t even inadvertantly fan flames on the other side of the fence either, perhaps encouraging xenaphobes in Quebec, much as good old reliable Tony is doing elsewhere on here.

     I’m sure most liberals get his point about Harper and Quebec values but he should do his best to ride Harperism out like the rest of us who can’t abide the guy and his addiction to divisive politics. He should recall his papa’s words: nothing lasts forever – not Duplessisism, not Harperism not even Trudeauism. Sooner or later the country will need people like Justin to resell Quebec to Canada – which is what his father went to Ottawa for and succeeded wildly in doing.
     Positive alternatives and hope will change things eventually Justin, which i’m sure you already knew.

    • “My bad for having no French but really the translation for that link is almost incomprehensible, at least as far as missing any important nuances go.”

      Trust me, his thinking isn’t any more comprehensible in French.

      • Trust you on JT…you got some swamp land in Florida you’d like to sell me too. :)

    •  ”meaning as far as i can see that the relationship has to worked at like
      any other meaningful relationship, it you want to make sure it doesn’t
      wither away – which it shows some sign of doing these last 10 or 20
      years.”

      Mr. Mulroney, is that you?

  9. “Don’t worry, Jesse: exactly the opposite: Canada needs Qc to balance out Harper’s vision that I (and many) just don’t support.”

    Because without counting the Quebec votes, the Conservatives have a clear majority of the popular vote in Canada?

  10. Maybe Justin could separate from Canada that would be nice!

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