Sports analogies

by Aaron Wherry

From QP this afternoon.

Hon. Ken Dryden (York Centre, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, as sports fans, the Prime Minister and the finance minister know the axiom that records are made to be broken, but some records have seemed unbreakable, such as the Rocket’s 50 goals in 50 games and Babe Ruth’s 714 home run. Outside sports it was Brian Mulroney’s $39 billion deficit, then this Prime Minister and finance minister blew it out of the water. They did it with their ill-advised moves these past few years, so when the recession triggered this deficit on steroids, for those who really need help, they have nothing left but placebo announcements. Why?

Hon. Jim Flaherty (Minister of Finance, CPC): Mr. Speaker, since when does the member opposite take this hypocritical position? Why does he stand and criticize the government for running a deficit, as we are obliged to do in order to help unemployed people in Canada, and at the same time say that the government should spend even more money? One does not make the playoffs that way.




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Sports analogies

  1. Careful there, Mr. Flaherty. You must prepare for the likelihood that Dryden's team will actually make it to the final round and face you at the championshp game. And now Ken's got something to post on the locker room wall to motivate his team mates. Smooth.

  2. Does Deficit Jim not know how to prepare for a rainy day? For the past 3 years it has been spend, spend, spend. The Conservatives have attempted to spend their way into the hearts and minds of Canadians and have failed. Now there is no rainy day fund to help Canadians because Deficit Jim has spent the cupboard bare when time were good. This is a failed Finance Minister who never thought the good times would end. Now Canadians are paying the price for his folly.

  3. Why, Transcanada, that's easy. According to folks like Flaherty and the FIPD, because we had first-rate free trade policies, few crown corporations, and generally were obeying the Holy Word of Milton Friedman, we were invulnerable! Growth was guaranteed forever! Surpluses were a scam to increase government! People who weren't confident in this scenario were traitors to capitalism, and that means they were probably pro-terrorist! And we were all born yesterday to boot!

  4. .. generally were obeying the Holy Word of Milton Friedman…

    I prithee, show me where we were doing that?

  5. In terms of real dollars Mulroney's $39 billion deficit exceeds Harper's $50 billion deficit, though both are quite odious.

  6. Flaherty and the Conservatives may have won the battles that were the 2006 and 2008 elections, but the Liberals will come out winners of this so-called war, having been in governement much longer throughout Canada's history.

    There, a war analogy. Don't like it though, would rather stick with sports. Ken Dryden is perfect for those!

  7. Careful there, Mr. Flaherty. You must prepare for the likelihood that Dryden’s team will actually make it to the final round and face you at the championshp game. And now Ken’s got something to post on the locker room wall to motivate his team mates. Smooth.

  8. Does Deficit Jim not know how to prepare for a rainy day? For the past 3 years it has been spend, spend, spend. The Conservatives have attempted to spend their way into the hearts and minds of Canadians and have failed. Now there is no rainy day fund to help Canadians because Deficit Jim has spent the cupboard bare when time were good. This is a failed Finance Minister who never thought the good times would end. Now Canadians are paying the price for his folly.

    • Why, Transcanada, that’s easy. According to folks like Flaherty and the FIPD, because we had first-rate free trade policies, few crown corporations, and generally were obeying the Holy Word of Milton Friedman, we were invulnerable! Growth was guaranteed forever! Surpluses were a scam to increase government! People who weren’t confident in this scenario were traitors to capitalism, and that means they were probably pro-terrorist! And we were all born yesterday to boot!

      • .. generally were obeying the Holy Word of Milton Friedman…

        I prithee, show me where we were doing that?

        • Um, well, maybe we weren’t, but we certainly told ourselves we were doing so. “We have finally seen the capitalistic light” sounds so much better than “we have allowed 20-something investment bankers to dream up new money for us.”

  9. In terms of real dollars Mulroney’s $39 billion deficit exceeds Harper’s $50 billion deficit, though both are quite odious.

  10. Flaherty and the Conservatives may have won the battles that were the 2006 and 2008 elections, but the Liberals will come out winners of this so-called war, having been in governement much longer throughout Canada’s history.

    There, a war analogy. Don’t like it though, would rather stick with sports. Ken Dryden is perfect for those!

  11. Um, well, maybe we weren't, but we certainly told ourselves we were doing so. "We have finally seen the capitalistic light" sounds so much better than "we have allowed 20-something investment bankers to dream up new money for us."

  12. "In terms of real dollars"

    You have put your finger on the nub. We are not talking real money, we are talking fake, paper, fiat dollars backed by nothing except the government's implicit promise not to print "too much" of it "too quicky". Which promise they are about to break in the worst way probably since the days of Trudeau The First.

    Canadians' RRSP, CPP, QPP and private pension plan savings will be wiped out "to help the unemployed" (i.e. to buy the next election and to enrich political hacks and cronies). It will happen partly through market losses and partly due to currency devaluation, which will be significantly greater than the government's rigged CPI numbers will admit.

    Because of a lack of domestic capital there will eventually be a fire sale of Canadian resources to Asian investors. It's those danged laws of economics again, savers get rich and spenders get poor.

    But don't worry! You can always get rich through government lotteries. Well, not really, but slaves must be given some hope of ultimate freedom or they're no good to their masters at all.

  13. “In terms of real dollars”

    You have put your finger on the nub. We are not talking real money, we are talking fake, paper, fiat dollars backed by nothing except the government’s implicit promise not to print “too much” of it “too quicky”. Which promise they are about to break in the worst way probably since the days of Trudeau The First.

    Canadians’ RRSP, CPP, QPP and private pension plan savings will be wiped out “to help the unemployed” (i.e. to buy the next election and to enrich political hacks and cronies). It will happen partly through market losses and partly due to currency devaluation, which will be significantly greater than the government’s rigged CPI numbers will admit.

    Because of a lack of domestic capital there will eventually be a fire sale of Canadian resources to Asian investors. It’s those danged laws of economics again, savers get rich and spenders get poor.

    But don’t worry! You can always get rich through government lotteries. Well, not really, but slaves must be given some hope of ultimate freedom or they’re no good to their masters at all.

  14. I hope Maclean's will send Mitchel Raphael over to Khartoum to document the sendoff at the Embassy there. The Ambassador & embassy staff must have grown quite attached to Mr. Abdelrazik.

  15. Too bad the government Irwin Cotler couldnt rouse itself to get Bill Samson home. Didnt hear Bob Rae on that one either.

    Forgive me if I find no consistency from anyone involved in any of these affairs.

    • Cotler fought, as a backbencher and against his own government, to bring Maher Arar back to Canada. Not sure to what extent he was involved with Bill SamPson (Dan McTeague was the one leading the charge on this one).

      Oh, and slight difference: these two guys were in foreign government jails… Abousfian Abdelrazik was living in the Canadian Embassy.

  16. My jaw dropped in question period. To hear such a quick, clear and succinct answer….. It was lovely.

    I am so happy for Abousfian Abdelrazik and his family. It has taken too long, but finally he will come home.

    As to Jack's point, I would imagine the good-bye's at the Canadian Embassy will be quite emotional. He has lived there for sometime now, and they have treated him well.

    • The problem is Jack does not have a sniff at what the government had to do to make this happen. There is a reason Irwin Colter was given this answer.

      • Well by all means, clarify it for us. I don't think our government would have had to do anything more than swallow its pride and print up a passport for Mr.Abdelrazik. The UN watchlist was never stopping him from returning home. That feat was left to our government, and they have yet to give a good reason for all the delay.

        Of course I was referring to Jack Mitchell our resident poet, not Layton.

        • As I was ambling through the nation's capital one summer day
          I overheard the conversation of a couple on my way:
          The guy declared, "Jack's one good fellow – natural leader – wry, savant –
          Bilingual, earnest, plays the cello – what more could the people want?"
          "Oh-ho," thinks I, "a nation's favour, though it should seem slow to come,
          Must come at last! Oh, how I savour such a long-expected plum!"
          Alas, alas, our first impressions prove inevitably rash,
          For next I heard the girl's confession: "How I love that red moustache!"

  17. About friggin' time.

    Next up, maybe the Conservatives will start thinking about what to do about repatriating Omar Khadr from Gitmo, and charging him under Canadian law. But don't hold your breath…

  18. And when we someday find out why the US wants to charge this man maybe some here will go "Oooohhhhh". But in the meantime, and in the absence of the two governments deciding to give everyone here high level security clearances, please feel free to celebrate in the knowledge that, if this guy is a threat, he's most unlikely to be a threat to you, personally. Khadr, too, I suppose. Sleep well.

    • Is there nothing similar to the Security Certificate process that could be put into action once Abdelrazik arrives back in Canada?

      • What the hell for? Having embarassed the government? In that case you would have to arrest at least half the cabinet and three quarters of the conservative caucus. Last time I checked unfounded accusations, innuendo and the opinions ignorant conservatives (is there any other kind) were not sufficient in and of themselves to justify imprisoning Canadian citizens. For your information both CSIS and the RCMP have clearly stated that he is guilty of nothing. Judging from the two previous comments one can only conclude that Canada is become such a nation of cowards that we are willing to enslave ourselves and toture our fellow citizens on the mere suspicion that someone may be out to harm us. I certainly hope that cowards like sceptical and PhilCP are the exception rather than the rule in Canada. If not we can look forward to a long fight to defend freedom not against the minimal threat that Bin Laden and his type represent but against the very real threat to the rule of law and respect for individual rights and freedoms represented by the two previous commentators.

      • What the hell for? Having embarassed the government? In that case you would have to arrest at least half the cabinet and three quarters of the conservative caucus. Last time I checked unfounded accusations, innuendo and the opinions of ignorant conservative witch hunt specialists (is there any other kind) were not sufficient in and of themselves to justify imprisoning Canadian citizens. For your information both CSIS and the RCMP have clearly stated that he is guilty of nothing. Judging from the two previous comments one can only conclude that Canada is become such a nation of cowards that we are willing to enslave ourselves and toture our fellow citizens on the mere suspicion that someone may be out to harm us. I certainly hope that cowards like sceptical and PhilCP are the exception rather than the rule in Canada. If not we can look forward to a long fight to defend freedom not against the minimal threat that Bin Laden and his type represent but against the very real threat to the rule of law and respect for individual rights and freedoms represented by the two previous commentators.

        • My question remains: Is there a process in place that Canada could use to deal with Mr. Abdelrazik given that he is the threat that sceptical suggests?

    • You're right. They are far less likely to be threats to me, these scary brown-skinned people with their xenophobia-triggering names, than the hordes of stupid "Canadian" boys who swarm all over my neighbourhood every weekend to drink excessively, disturb the peace, fight and damage people's property.
      A short list of other things, compared to which they're far less likely to elicit an "Oooohhhhh," of sudden realization from me: inattentive motorists, cancer, gum disease, looking directly at a welder's flare without proper eye protection when I was twelve.
      And yet, somehow I manage to sleep. It must be a miracle.

      • Since the twin towers fell killing 3000 innocent victims, more than 30000 americans have been killed in gun violence. American gun nuts are a much greater threat to canadians than the Taleban yet I dont see Harper and company taking on the NRA and other assorted right wing nuts. If anything they are trying to eliminate gun regulation (the gun registry) to cater to their good ol boy/ trailer park boys electoral base. Picking on the innocent, exiling canadians because their name isnt smith further caters to the zenophobic racist angry old white men who are the core supporters of the CPC.

      • Since the twin towers fell killing 3000 innocent victims, more than 30000 americans have been killed in gun violence. American gun nuts are a much greater threat to canadians than the Taleban yet I dont see Harper and company taking on the NRA and other assorted right wing nuts. If anything they are trying to eliminate gun regulation (the gun registry) to cater to their good ol boy/ trailer park boys electoral base. Picking on the innocent, exiling canadians because their name isnt smith further caters to the zenophobic racist angry old white men who are the core supporters of the CPC. Since the disappearance of the Progressive Conservative party Canadians have been treated to a revival and revitalisation of the KKK now that the CPC provides them with a cloak of legitimacy.

  19. Dear sceptical – you believe this cr*p that Security Agencies must keep all this stuff under cover – for the interests of National Security – and not because they made a booboo and career altering consequences might result if it received publicity – I have some excellent (swamp – I mean) building land in Florida I'd like to talk to you about!
    Kudos to Bob Rae for a lot of worthy work this week – he will know what this comment means!

    • A voice of reason I can agree with. We should never trust the unsubstantiated (generally self serving) claims of security services or politicians. If you cant prove it to a jury in a court of law I will assume you are lying.

    • A voice of reason I can agree with. We should never trust the unsubstantiated (generally self serving) claims of security services or politicians. If you cant prove it to a jury in a court of law I will assume you are lying and most of the time I will be right.

  20. I know they will have QP this morning but it kinda of seems like a quiet end to a crazy session of parliament! Which is not always a bad things! So it looks like Iggy has the summer to get the riding candidates he wants and to raise some more cash for a fall election.

  21. Thank God.
    I got home just in time to catch the question and the beautifully clear answer, and I just about cried. It's good to know that the government is now doing the right thing- the honourable thing- the human thing- and bringing him home. It's dreadful that it took this long, and heads should roll because of it, but at least he's coming home.
    Glory hallelujah.

  22. If it was all so simple, this should have happened a long time ago. Which would have made it politically harder to handle until this last minute before Ottawa shuts down. Shame on the tories for running out the clock.

    And if it is NOT so simple, for reasons that we mere members of the public cannot know, then why is he coming home?

    Either way (and it feels like the former), the Tories deserve a slap for this.

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