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Stephen Harper’s own private audience (II)


 

Mr. Harper defers to his staff.

“The staff runs our campaigns and I can’t comment on individual matters like that,” he said.

Michael Ignatieff criticizes and draws a comparison.

“I just think when you get to a situation where people can’t come to a public meeting in Canada and get thrown out by two heavies because they have a Facebook friend from another party, you’re in a bad place,” he added. “You’re in a very unCanadian place … I think we’re in a very bad place when you’ve got a prime minister who does a background check on his audience, at a democratic crowd, and doesn’t seem to do a background check on the people he hires in the Prime Minister’s Office, like Mr. Carson.”


 

Stephen Harper’s own private audience (II)

  1. "In fact, I didn't even pick out this suit and tie", harper continued.

  2. Now THAT'S leadership!

  3. "In fact, I didn't even pick out this suit and tie", harper continued.

    • Did you see "The Adjustment Bureau"?

  4. Now THAT'S leadership!

  5. Ah, the Great Crusader for Accountability cannot even be accountable for his senior staff, or how his campaign is run. What a mealy-mouthed chicken.

    More rope for the prime minister, please.

  6. Ah, the Great Crusader for Accountability cannot even be accountable for his senior staff, or how his campaign is run. What a mealy-mouthed chicken.

    More rope for the prime minister, please.

  7. Just over a week into the election and so far, Harper has blamed his staff for campaign problems, blamed the PCO staff for him hiring Carson, blamed the networks for him not debating Ignatieff one-on-one …. what else?

  8. Just over a week into the election and so far, Harper has blamed his staff for campaign problems, blamed the PCO staff for him hiring Carson, blamed the networks for him not debating Ignatieff one-on-one …. what else?

    • Give him time and he will blame Canadians for not seeing the glory that is Harper.

    • Oh, I forgot Togneri, whom Harper claimed not to know about and blamed local organizers – then made a new rule, no questions on local campaigns.

    • The 'unnecessary' election, according to Harper was not caused by anything contemptible he did, it was caused by the dastardly coalition. He was just innocently concentrating on jobs and the economy and – out of nowhere- they brought his government down.

    • Well he's 'blamed' on himself the performance of Canada's economy, still in a fragile state while uncertainty laps at our shores, partially due to the strong banking regulations that he has put in place . . . so how can anyone possibly say he's unaccountable? Hmmmm?

  9. Look, Steve, if you can't handle the job, just quit.

  10. Give him time and he will blame Canadians for not seeing the glory that is Harper.

  11. Look, Steve, if you can't handle the job, just quit.

  12. Oh, I forgot Togneri, whom Harper claimed not to know about and blamed local organizers – then made a new rule, no questions on local campaigns.

  13. The 'unnecessary' election, according to Harper was not caused by anything contemptible he did, it was caused by the dastardly coalition. He was just innocently concentrating on jobs and the economy and – out of nowhere- they brought his government down.

  14. I find it really creepy – shades of the McCarthy era – that Harper's staff are pouring through facebook trying to find people not loyal to Dear Leader. Also interesting, Sun Media now requires facebook registration in order to comment on their boards.

  15. I find it really creepy – shades of the McCarthy era – that Harper's staff are pouring through facebook trying to find people not loyal to Dear Leader. Also interesting, Sun Media now requires facebook registration in order to comment on their boards.

    • Not a coincidence, I'm sure

      • Time for a new Facebook page … Let's BLOCK Stephen Harper from accessing our personal Facebook pages!!!

        Might have saved that Con staffer who mentioned how stupid the campaign management was ;0)

  16. Ignatieff's own private audience

    Bodyguard jabs Pregnant Free Press reporter in stomach!

    When Ignatieff was here last week, the RCMP got physical with two Free Press reporters, even elbowing a pregnant reporter in the stomach.
    Told she was pregnant, the male Mountie said: “That's what you get for rushing a bodyguard.”
    http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2011/04/04/178

  17. Ignatieff's own private audience

    Bodyguard jabs Pregnant Free Press reporter in stomach!

    When Ignatieff was here last week, the RCMP got physical with two Free Press reporters, even elbowing a pregnant reporter in the stomach.
    Told she was pregnant, the male Mountie said: “That's what you get for rushing a bodyguard.”
    http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2011/04/04/178

    • Wilson –

      I don't think that anyone would have a problem if the RCMP bounced someone out of an event for rowdy behavior, or because they were getting to close to an established security parameter.

      I will even go further and state that it is prudent to screen folks before they are getting to close to our leaders (for past criminal records, history of uttering threats, etc.,).

      What I do not find unacceptable is excluding citizens from pubically funded events because of their political beliefs.

    • It doesn't count if he didn't yell "FALCON PUNCH".

  18. Shorter 5-years of Harper: It's someone else's fault. It's always someone else's fault.

    He runs from the media. He runs from Ignatieff. He runs from ordinary Canadians. He runs from accountability and responsibility and, frankly, class.

    Mr. Harper, you are the one who is supposed to be in charge!!!

    If the millstone of responsibility and leadership is too heavy for you, I know someone who is willing to take it off your shoulders for you.

  19. Shorter 5-years of Harper: It's someone else's fault. It's always someone else's fault.

    He runs from the media. He runs from Ignatieff. He runs from ordinary Canadians. He runs from accountability and responsibility and, frankly, class.

    Mr. Harper, you are the one who is supposed to be in charge!!!

    If the millstone of responsibility and leadership is too heavy for you, I know someone who is willing to take it off your shoulders for you.

    • I bet that bastard didn't even come to your birthday party, when will this outrage ever stop?

    • Iffy can barely carry around that remake of the 1993 Red Book.

      Surprised Iffy wants to turn our military back into 'well meaning herbivorian Boy Scouts' and
      his page 46 resurrection of the Green Shaft.

      The 2 day old Red Book is not on Iffy's agenda today,
      he'd rather talk Carson-gate and face book rejection.

      • So we have the 1993 Red Book and the 2015 election conservative plaform. Why is no one running in this election?

  20. Michael Ignatieff criticizes
    “I just think when you get to a situation where people can't come to a public meeting in Canada and get thrown out by two heavies…

    Bodyguard jabs Pregnant Free Press reporter in stomach!

    When Ignatieff was here last week, the RCMP got physical with two Free Press reporters, even elbowing a pregnant reporter in the stomach.
    Told she was pregnant, the male Mountie said: “That's what you get for rushing a bodyguard.”
    http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2011/04/04/178

  21. Michael Ignatieff criticizes
    “I just think when you get to a situation where people can't come to a public meeting in Canada and get thrown out by two heavies…

    Bodyguard jabs Pregnant Free Press reporter in stomach!

    When Ignatieff was here last week, the RCMP got physical with two Free Press reporters, even elbowing a pregnant reporter in the stomach.
    Told she was pregnant, the male Mountie said: “That's what you get for rushing a bodyguard.”
    http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2011/04/04/178

    • Security and screening for political corretcness – are you unable to tell the difference between the two, Wilson?

  22. I bet that bastard didn't even come to your birthday party, when will this outrage ever stop?

  23. I guess Harper's too busy playing the piano with kids, having fun on an ATV, and pouring beer to take responsibility for, you know, being in charge of a national campaign to elect the Government of Canada.

    or maybe he thinks he doesn't even need to campaign, having renamed the government in his own name?

  24. I guess Harper's too busy playing the piano with kids, having fun on an ATV, and pouring beer to take responsibility for, you know, being in charge of a national campaign to elect the Government of Canada.

    or maybe he thinks he doesn't even need to campaign, having renamed the government in his own name?

    • Oh blah blah blah,
      you sound like our whining national media.

      Iffy is running a loser party campaign,
      do what you can to mess with the other guys message because your policy platform was a dud.

      And our boohoo media is just too pleased to assist him.
      Iffy and the media are wimps.

      • Fair enough, I am certain the Liberals will limit their critique to the Conservative Platform once they get around to releasing one.

      • LOL. And you accuse others of whining.

  25. Iffy can barely carry around that remake of the 1993 Red Book.

    Surprised Iffy wants to turn our military back into 'well meaning herbivorian Boy Scouts' and
    his page 46 resurrection of the Green Shaft.

    The 2 day old Red Book is not on Iffy's agenda today,
    he'd rather talk Carson-gate and face book rejection.

  26. Oh blah blah blah,
    you sound like our whining national media.

    Iffy is running a loser party campaign,
    do what you can to mess with the other guys message because your policy platform was a dud.

    And our boohoo media is just too pleased to assist him.
    Iffy and the media are wimps.

  27. Wilson –

    I don't think that anyone would have a problem if the RCMP bounced someone out of an event for rowdy behavior, or because they were getting to close to an established security parameter.

    I will even go further and state that it is prudent to screen folks before they are getting to close to our leaders (for past criminal records, history of uttering threats, etc.,).

    What I do not find unacceptable is excluding citizens from pubically funded events because of their political beliefs.

  28. Fair enough, I am certain the Liberals will limit their critique to the Conservative Platform once they get around to releasing one.

  29. LOL. And you accuse others of whining.

    • Teflon can be scraped off. It takes a little work and makes a mess.

    • When will Canadians start to understand what's at stake in this election.

      • For better or worse, most people don't really concern themselves with the behaviour of their government unless it directly affects them. And, for the most part, Canadians haven't had their daily lives affected by arbitrary Conservative policy decisions yet. The financial consequences of the Tories' actions have been put off, presumably because they hope to gain a majority first.

        (I agree with you entirely, by the way.)

    • The thing about teflon is that it's great while it lasts, but once it starts to come off it's highly toxic, and generally means you should toss the whole damn thing out.

  30. wilson's sounding desperate.

  31. Security and screening for political corretcness – are you unable to tell the difference between the two, Wilson?

  32. Scanning Facebook photos for any non-party-sanctioned affiliations.
    Scanning parking lots for bumper stickers and license plates.
    Removing suppressive persons.
    Referring all questions to "staff".

    Are the Conservatives a front organization for Scientology?

  33. Scanning Facebook photos for any non-party-sanctioned affiliations.
    Scanning parking lots for bumper stickers and license plates.
    Removing suppressive persons.
    Referring all questions to "staff".

    Are the Conservatives a front organization for Scientology?

    • More the reverse, I believe.

    • I've long believed that some of the more zealous Conservative party operatives were born in the wrong time and the wrong place. They would have felt right at home in Enver Hoxha's Albania, happily drafting ecstatic speeches praising the Dear Leader and scrutinizing their fellow citizens to check for deviation from the acceptable Party line.

  34. Are reporters using their 4 daily questions to ask bubble/security questions?

    I surely hope not because there are better things to ask about, political parties have been banning people from their meetings for centuries and is a major dog bites man story.

  35. Are reporters using their 4 daily questions to ask bubble/security questions?

    I surely hope not because there are better things to ask about, political parties have been banning people from their meetings for centuries and is a major dog bites man story.

    • So you're saying this is fine and you support banning every day people from political activities?

      Jawohl indeed.

    • It does sound like a story in that none of the other parties seem to be running exclusively invitation-only events.

  36. It doesn't count if he didn't yell "FALCON PUNCH".

  37. Teflon can be scraped off. It takes a little work and makes a mess.

  38. Hey when he promised accountable government, he meant he'd hold public servants and his own staff accountable for his poor governing.

  39. So you're saying this is fine and you support banning every day people from political activities?

    Jawohl indeed.

  40. Hey when he promised accountable government, he meant he'd hold public servants and his own staff accountable for his poor governing.

  41. Not a coincidence, I'm sure

  42. Heard you the first time….point taken.

  43. When will Canadians start to understand what's at stake in this election.

  44. Does Ignatieff run the RCMP now or something?

  45. Well posters here seem to think Harper does.

  46. Conservatives: Our principles don't apply to us.

  47. Well posters here seem to think Harper does.

    • True. He just appoints the guy who actually does. Obviously that gives him no influence…

    • The students in Guelph (who were subject to the Facebook background check) were evicted by Conservative organizers, not the RCMP.

      Are you being disingenuous, or did you honestly fail to comprehend the essential facts of the story?

    • Actually Wilson, upon a quick scan, you were the only one that mentioned the actions the RCMP is your knee jerk reaction of trying the "ya well, the Liberals do it to" defense.

      • Whats wrong with that? he;s just filling in the blanks, as in Ignatieff blank stare.I Think the conservatives shouldsay sorry, and iggy should move on to canada's problems, he being one of them

  48. Oh, so it's ok if the Livluvin media go nutz searching out a CPC staffer's facebook account and turning it into a 3 day story,
    but Harper's security shouldn't.

    ANY security team that did not check the social media for threats against their client should be fired.

    And if this girl was there to throw a pie in Harper's face or something of the like,
    she got stopped. If not, she gets a meeting with PMSH,
    and can add it to her facebook .

    Tory staffer's Facebook page cites 'stupidity' in party's media strategy
    http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/artic

  49. Oh, so it's ok if the Livluvin media go nutz searching out a CPC staffer's facebook account and turning it into a 3 day story,
    but Harper's security shouldn't.

    ANY security team that did not check the social media for threats against their client should be fired.

    And if this girl was there to throw a pie in Harper's face or something of the like,
    she got stopped. If not, she gets a meeting with PMSH,
    and can add it to her facebook .

    Tory staffer's Facebook page cites 'stupidity' in party's media strategy
    http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/artic

    • So you're so paranoid that simply having a link to an opposing political party is a threat against the client? Is your world really that terrifying and small?

      I used to feel contempt for you.
      I think it's getting closer to pity.

    • A picture of someone taken with the Leader of the Opposition is now a threat? What's next – people who own Russian wolfhounds?

      • It is if the student protestors that have been staging protests outside rallies, try to take there message inside a CPC rally

        • Damn those youths, having a voice and a vote! I can see why team Harper considers them a threat.

        • Don't frighten wilson with dissenting opinions.

  50. So we have the 1993 Red Book and the 2015 election conservative plaform. Why is no one running in this election?

  51. It does sound like a story in that none of the other parties seem to be running exclusively invitation-only events.

  52. Time for a new Facebook page … Let's BLOCK Stephen Harper from accessing our personal Facebook pages!!!

    Might have saved that Con staffer who mentioned how stupid the campaign management was ;0)

  53. I have emailed Mr.Ignatieff twice in the past month, asking him some important questions. I forwarded copies of the email to Mr.Rae and Mr.LeBlanc.

    But I haven't recieved any answers yet. Sure hope to get some of Ignatieff's answers before this election campaign is over.

  54. I have emailed Mr.Ignatieff twice in the past month, asking him some important questions. I forwarded copies of the email to Mr.Rae and Mr.LeBlanc.

    But I haven't recieved any answers yet. Sure hope to get some of Ignatieff's answers before this election campaign is over.

    • And you posted this here, in this forum, why, exactly?

    • It'd be nice, but considering it's only the middle of a freaking campaign, it's unlikely.

      Have you done the same for Mr. Harper?

    • I emailed my MP (Laurie Hawn, CPC) with a question. He didn't respond. I tried again, this time cc'ing Stephen Harper. I got a form letter saying that email would be answered in the order it was received.

      I'm hoping he'll be able to clear his backlogged email soon. It's been more than three years.

    • Tbey're probably still trying to figure out what you asked.

      • Jan, perhaps you can tell me if my questions are unclear:

        Mr.Ignatieff, what does it mean when you sign onto a coalition agreement with the BQ granting them a Permament Consultation mechanism to work with the NDP/Lib coalition government? Will all of the other nine provinces get such Permanent mechanism for deciding on federal affairs? And if so, when?

        • Let's start with the confusion between political parties and Canadian provinces. While I get what you were driving at (sort of), in all honesty it comes as unclear at best, and tinfoil chapeau at worst.

          • OK, let me de-confuse my question:

            In 2008, and agreement was signed. One part of the agreement dealt with the forming of a coalition government and one part dealt with a supporting role of the BQ.

            A Permanent Consulting Mechanism for the BQ was agreed to and was signed onto by Ignatieff and Layton.

            So, could you tell me what either Layton or Ignatieff had in mind with this Permanent Consulting Mechanism for the BQ?

            And are they prepared to grant such Permanent Consulting Mechanism to the other nine provinces as well?

            Have you heard?

            Have you heard the media asking questions in that regard, to clarify the matter with the Canadian voter?

            If the questions are still not clear enough, please let me know.

          • None of the provinces are being consulted; BQ is a regional PARTY with no links to the provincial government (which, at present, is nominally pro-Canada).

        • In fairness, that is one of the most ignorable questions I've ever read.

        • Maybe he just thought you were a partisan hack unworthy of a response since you asked him to answer a hypothetical question that is as misleading as its premise is false.

          You know better, as it has been pointed out repeatedly on this site alone that the BQ never did sign a coalition agreement with anyone (although it sounds like they were willing to sign one with Harper and the Conservatives back in 2004 before Layton walked away from the deal), yet you persist in repeating your talking points and demanding answers for questions that have already been answered over and over again. I wouldn't expect anyone with any intelligence to answer your letter….On the other hand, maybe you will get a response from the Conservatives.

          • And yes, I realize the irony of answering your question.

          • But I don't get the irony of the busy beez buzzing all around me, the minute I want to ask about what Ignatieff and Layton had in mind when they wrote within the 2008 coalition agreeement preamble:

            "Preamble
            The new Government is supported by parties that share a commitment to fiscal
            responsibility, a progressive agenda and a belief in the role of Government to act
            as a partner with Canadians and Quebecers. Where appropriate, these goals
            should be pursued in full partnership and consultation with the provincial and
            territorial governments."

            What do they mean: the federal government will act as a partner with Canadians and Quebecers? Aren't Quebecers Canadians? And furthermore, should Quebec be consulting the government when it comes to other provinces? Should the province of Quebec have the power over our federal government when consulting the provinces at large??

            I wouldn't want that to happen. I wonder who would?

        • Rather than begging the question, why don't you try asking a question in good faith(if that's even possible for you), and see if that gets a response.

          • Aristotle is not my favorite philosopher because he never was the wisest.

          • Good to know. You'll be filed under 'Plato' from here on in. Blue door, red door.

          • frobisher, you've hit the nail on the head:

            It is indeed the difference between Plato's philosophy and Aristotle's philosophy which is still being played out in our societies today, and during this election campaign in particular, one can see the distinction between the two philosophical thoughts in action.

            That's part of the election fun, to see such difference play itself out.

  55. True. He just appoints the guy who actually does. Obviously that gives him no influence…

  56. The students in Guelph (who were subject to the Facebook background check) were evicted by Conservative organizers, not the RCMP.

    Are you being disingenuous, or did you honestly fail to comprehend the essential facts of the story?

  57. The thing about teflon is that it's great while it lasts, but once it starts to come off it's highly toxic, and generally means you should toss the whole damn thing out.

  58. You mean good governance? A government that actually cares about the way government is done and those in need rather than just corporations and the well off with high tax bills?

  59. More the reverse, I believe.

  60. And you posted this here, in this forum, why, exactly?

  61. So you're so paranoid that simply having a link to an opposing political party is a threat against the client? Is your world really that terrifying and small?

    I used to feel contempt for you.
    I think it's getting closer to pity.

  62. It'd be nice, but considering it's only the middle of a freaking campaign, it's unlikely.

    Have you done the same for Mr. Harper?

  63. A picture of someone taken with the Leader of the Opposition is now a threat? What's next – people who own Russian wolfhounds?

  64. I emailed my MP (Laurie Hawn, CPC) with a question. He didn't respond. I tried again, this time cc'ing Stephen Harper. I got a form letter saying that email would be answered in the order it was received.

    I'm hoping he'll be able to clear his backlogged email soon. It's been more than three years.

  65. Tbey're probably still trying to figure out what you asked.

  66. The only difference is, of course, that Laurie Hawn doesn't have to find the excuse for busying himself with hacklers at a Liberal rally. He's got other things to do, and for three years they've been governing this country. He will get to your personal concerns in time. Don't worry so much.

  67. Jan, perhaps you can tell me if my questions are unclear:

    Mr.Ignatieff, what does it mean when you sign onto a coalition agreement with the BQ granting them a Permament Consultation mechanism to work with the NDP/Lib coalition government? Will all of the other nine provinces get such Permanent mechanism for deciding on federal affairs? And if so, when?

  68. It is if the student protestors that have been staging protests outside rallies, try to take there message inside a CPC rally

  69. Yeah, you're right. I know he has a critically important job ensuring that Canada remains the only safe island of stability in this tumultuous sea of danger. Individual constituents have to take a back seat when there are pirates to fight.

    I'm optimistic that he'll answer my question once the deficit is eliminated.

  70. Well he's 'blamed' on himself the performance of Canada's economy, still in a fragile state while uncertainty laps at our shores, partially due to the strong banking regulations that he has put in place . . . so how can anyone possibly say he's unaccountable? Hmmmm?

  71. Let's start with the confusion between political parties and Canadian provinces. While I get what you were driving at (sort of), in all honesty it comes as unclear at best, and tinfoil chapeau at worst.

  72. I noticed that last night too. Also noticed that Dimitri Soudas apologized to the evicted girls "through QMI agency." You'd think that the Cons would at least try to maintain the appearance of some arm's length relationship between themselves and the new news agency.

  73. I've long believed that some of the more zealous Conservative party operatives were born in the wrong time and the wrong place. They would have felt right at home in Enver Hoxha's Albania, happily drafting ecstatic speeches praising the Dear Leader and scrutinizing their fellow citizens to check for deviation from the acceptable Party line.

  74. Damn those youths, having a voice and a vote! I can see why team Harper considers them a threat.

  75. Don't frighten wilson with dissenting opinions.

  76. Your use of pirates was outstanding! If only I had two thumbs up to give!

  77. In fairness, that is one of the most ignorable questions I've ever read.

  78. Your use of pirates was outstanding! If only I had two thumbs up to give!

  79. For better or worse, most people don't really concern themselves with the behaviour of their government unless it directly affects them. And, for the most part, Canadians haven't had their daily lives affected by arbitrary Conservative policy decisions yet. The financial consequences of the Tories' actions have been put off, presumably because they hope to gain a majority first.

    (I agree with you entirely, by the way.)

  80. You seem to be suggesting that, on top of the four-question limit, Harper should also write the reporters' questions.

  81. Maybe he just thought you were a partisan hack unworthy of a response since you asked him to answer a hypothetical question that is as misleading as its premise is false.

    You know better, as it has been pointed out repeatedly on this site alone that the BQ never did sign a coalition agreement with anyone (although it sounds like they were willing to sign one with Harper and the Conservatives back in 2004 before Layton walked away from the deal), yet you persist in repeating your talking points and demanding answers for questions that have already been answered over and over again. I wouldn't expect anyone with any intelligence to answer your letter….On the other hand, maybe you will get a response from the Conservatives.

  82. And yes, I realize the irony of answering your question.

  83. Actually Wilson, upon a quick scan, you were the only one that mentioned the actions the RCMP is your knee jerk reaction of trying the "ya well, the Liberals do it to" defense.

  84. Rather than begging the question, why don't you try asking a question in good faith(if that's even possible for you), and see if that gets a response.

  85. OK, let me de-confuse my question:

    In 2008, and agreement was signed. One part of the agreement dealt with the forming of a coalition government and one part dealt with a supporting role of the BQ.

    A Permanent Consulting Mechanism for the BQ was agreed to and was signed onto by Ignatieff and Layton.

    So, could you tell me what either Layton or Ignatieff had in mind with this Permanent Consulting Mechanism for the BQ?

    And are they prepared to grant such Permanent Consulting Mechanism to the other nine provinces as well?

    Have you heard?

    Have you heard the media asking questions in that regard, to clarify the matter with the Canadian voter?

    If the questions are still not clear enough, please let me know.

  86. Here, take one of mine. Aaaargh!

  87. But I don't get the irony of the busy beez buzzing all around me, the minute I want to ask about what Ignatieff and Layton had in mind when they wrote within the 2008 coalition agreeement preamble:

    "Preamble
    The new Government is supported by parties that share a commitment to fiscal
    responsibility, a progressive agenda and a belief in the role of Government to act
    as a partner with Canadians and Quebecers. Where appropriate, these goals
    should be pursued in full partnership and consultation with the provincial and
    territorial governments."

    What do they mean: the federal government will act as a partner with Canadians and Quebecers? Aren't Quebecers Canadians? And furthermore, should Quebec be consulting the government when it comes to other provinces? Should the province of Quebec have the power over our federal government when consulting the provinces at large??

    I wouldn't want that to happen. I wonder who would?

  88. Aristotle is not my favorite philosopher because he never was the wisest.

  89. Lol!

  90. Lol!

  91. Did you see "The Adjustment Bureau"?

  92. None of the provinces are being consulted; BQ is a regional PARTY with no links to the provincial government (which, at present, is nominally pro-Canada).

  93. Whats wrong with that? he;s just filling in the blanks, as in Ignatieff blank stare.I Think the conservatives shouldsay sorry, and iggy should move on to canada's problems, he being one of them

  94. Is she ever! And she's so much better than that, really. Wilson is one of those partisan Conservatives that at least has an actual brain. At least, she used to be . . . "blah, blah, blah" as a comeback? Ouch, that kool-aid is obviously cell-destroying stuff!

  95. Is she ever! And she's so much better than that, really. Wilson is one of those partisan Conservatives that at least has an actual brain. At least, she used to be . . . "blah, blah, blah" as a comeback? Ouch, that kool-aid is obviously cell-destroying stuff!

  96. Good to know. You'll be filed under 'Plato' from here on in. Blue door, red door.

  97. Here, another student says she was barred, this time for environmental activism: http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/special/federal-

    She was told her name was on the flagged list, no explanation, just have to leave. Sounds a bit like the no-fly list. Actually, sounds unpleasant for people to try to go to a Harper event. Who knows what kind of internet and other searches they will do, trying to dig up who knows what on you. Best to avoid Harper altogether and try to avoid his flag-radar.

  98. Here, another student says she was barred, this time for environmental activism: http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/special/federal-

    She was told her name was on the flagged list, no explanation, just have to leave. Sounds a bit like the no-fly list. Actually, sounds unpleasant for people to try to go to a Harper event. Who knows what kind of internet and other searches they will do, trying to dig up who knows what on you. Best to avoid Harper altogether and try to avoid his flag-radar.

  99. frobisher, you've hit the nail on the head:

    It is indeed the difference between Plato's philosophy and Aristotle's philosophy which is still being played out in our societies today, and during this election campaign in particular, one can see the distinction between the two philosophical thoughts in action.

    That's part of the election fun, to see such difference play itself out.

  100. Actually, it's worth excerpting some of the article you've cited, because it shows something of the motivation of the Conservative Party's requirement that all attendees of a Harper party rally pre-register online. They really must have people checking what kind of search engine hits a person's name may produce (and you can easily automate it).

    I think the young person mentioned in the article is quite typical of youth today: curious and maybe skeptical of the way that traditional parties operate–more familiar with issue-oriented NGOs–but willing to give them a chance. And then totally turned-off by their actual methods and behaviour.

    It's interesting to speculate about the unnamed official mentioned in the article–clearly he had access to some of whatever information the Conservative central office had compiled about rally attendees.

    I wonder if any of this information or queries about attendees is shared with the RCMP protective force? I hope I'm right to discount that idea.

    <quote>

    Joanna MacDonald, a fourth-year environmental sciences student at Guelph University, says she pre-registered for Harper's election campaign event at the school Monday.

    But after arriving with a friend, MacDonald says she was directed to a desk where she was told her name had been flagged and she was asked to leave.

    "It was very bizarre to be on the flagged list but have no one there to tell you why you were on the list," MacDonald, 21, told The Canadian Press in an interview.

    She and a friend had both pre-registered and her friend was allowed in.

    Other Guelph students were turned away Monday after participating in a peaceful "flash mob" of Harper's arriving bus, but MacDonald says she was not part of that group and was not dressed in the group's red and white colours.

    "I was just really curious about what Stephen Harper has to say," said MacDonald. "He's the prime minister of Canada, so I'd like to ask questions."

    MacDonald was told the RCMP was doing the screening for the Conservative party event and since she has no criminal record — nor any political party affiliation for that matter — she demanded to know why she was being flagged.

    An unidentified official eventually told her it was likely because she had participated with the Sierra youth coalition on climate change at the Cancun conference last December.

    "He said that's probably why. He wasn't very helpful."

    MacDonald says she has never been involved in party politics.

    "I was really shocked and kind of horrified that I was screened," she said.

    "The only reason I could think of not to get in was my activism on the environmental front …. It was really disgusting."

    She said she's planning to start an online campaign entitled, "Stephen Harper is afraid to meet me."

    "I am going to register for all public events he is speaking at to see if I am still flagged," she said.

    </quote>

  101. You're in a very unCanadian place.

    Excuse me? WHO is the one who said that?

  102. You're in a very unCanadian place.

    Excuse me? WHO is the one who said that?

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