Talking to the Taliban


An interesting moment from Saturday’s state funeral seems particularly timely in light of this news.

Direct U.S. talks with the Taliban had evolved to a substantive negotiation before Afghan officials, nervous that the secret and independent talks would undercut President Hamid Karzai, scuttled them, Afghan and U.S. officials told The Associated Press.

Mullah Mohammed Omar now acknowledges negotiations and the possibility of further talks.


Talking to the Taliban

  1. Layton was right about Afghanistan, yet calling for talks got him labelled a traitor.

    Had the Libs called for talks and withdrawal they might have had a chance electorally but instead they sided with the Cons on this. So Layton was the only alternative.

    Funny how life works.

    •  I, also, support talking to the Taliban now that we have severely weakened them – best role in negotiations (unlike moral cowards like Jack who argue for whatever suits them).

      • They haven’t been weakened at all, much less severely. LOL

        Give the chest-thumping a rest…the entire mission was a failure.

  2. This in fact is what Mr Layton said in 2006:

    ‘As Canadian soldiers marshalled for a major battle against Taliban
    forces in southern Afghanistan, NDP Leader Jack Layton called yesterday
    for Canada to pull its troops from the country by next February.

    should begin as soon as possible — working with our international
    partners to ensure a safe and smooth transition — but with a view to
    having it complete by February 2007,” Layton said, calling Afghanistan
    the wrong mission for Canada…

    Under questioning, Layton said the priority should be a comprehensive peace process.

    proposed that what should happen in Afghanistan, and what the world
    should put into place, with the Afghans, is a comprehensive peace
    process, not a counter-insurgency war,” he said. “There needs to be
    immediate and significant balance introduced … with regard to
    reconstruction, with regard to humanitarian aid.”

    Asked if this
    meant negotiating with the Taliban, Layton replied: “A comprehensive
    peace process has to bring all the combatants to the table.”..’

    So his emphasis was on bugging out, not negotiating.  It is utterly false to make any comparison with what the US is now doing; President Obama is not pulling out his fighting troops for quite some time to come.

    A unilateral cessation of hostilities–what Mr Layton seems to have been proposing–would give the Talibs no reason to talk.  Quite the opposite.


    • What century of bombing?  Wild and ignorant exaggeration.


      • Apparently you haven’t been paying much attention

        • Please let me know how many years of “bombing” you can find here (the last 30 or so years have been rather a different story, though there was no “bombing” by foreigners from 1989-2001, a US cruise missile strike aside):


          Abdur Rahman dies, his son Habibullah succeeds him.Slows steps toward modernization


          Russia and Great Britain sign the convention
          of St. Petersburg, in which Afghanistan is declared outside Russia’s
          sphere of influence.


          Mahmud Tarzi (Afghan Intellectual) introduces modern Journalism into Afghanistan with the creation of several newspapers.


          Habibullah is assassinated, and succeeded by his son Amanullah (The reform King)The first museum in Afghanistan is instituted at Baghe Bala.


          Third Anglo-Afghan warOnce again, the British are defeated, and Afghanistan gains full control of her foreign affairs.Amanullah Khan initiates a series of ambitious efforts at social and political modernization.


          Amanullah Khan changes his title from Amir to Padshah (King).


          Amanullah Khan is overthrown by Habibullah Kalakani.After the fall of Amanullah Khan, Mahmud Tarzi seeks asylum in Turkey.The Rise and Fall of Habibullah Kalakani, popularly known as “Bache Saqao”Nadir Khan takes the throne; his tribal army loots government
          buildings and houses of wealthy citizens because the treasury was empty.Habibullah Kalakani, along with his supporters, and a few
          supporters of Amanullah Khan are killed by Nadir Khan. Now Nadir Khan
          establishes full control.


          (May) Pro-Amanullah Khan uprising put down by Nadir Khan.Nadir Khan abolishes reforms set forth by Amanullah Khan to modernize Afghanistan.


          Nadir Khan assassinated by a college student, and his son, Zahir, inherits the throne. He rules until 1973.Zahir Shah’s uncles serve as prime ministers and advisors until 1953.Mahmud Tarzi dies in Turkey at the age of 68 with a heart full of sorrow and despair toward his country.


          The United States of America formally recognizes Afghanistan


          Da Afghanistan Bank (State Bank of Afghanistan) is incorporated.


          Minor pro-Amanullah Khan uprising (January 15)


          Zahir Shah proclaims Afghanistan as neutral during WW2


          Britain withdraws from India. Pakistan is carved out of Indian and Afghan lands.


          Afghanistan’s Parliament denounces the Durand Treaty and refuses
          to recognize the Durand line as a legal boundary between Pakistan and
          Afghanistan.Pashtuns in Pashtunistan (Occupied Afghan Land) proclaim an
          independent Pashtunistan, but their proclamation goes unacknowledged
          by the world community.


          Prince Mohammad Daoud becomes Prime Minister.


          The U.S. rejects Afghanistan’s request to buy military equipment to modernize the army.


          Daoud turns to the Soviet Union (Russia) for military aid.The Pashtunistan (occupied Afghan land) issue flares up.


          Kruschev and Bulgaria agree to help Afghanistan.Close ties between Afghanistan and USSR.


          The Purdah is made optional, women begin to enroll in the University which has become co-educational.Women begin to enter the workforce, and the government.


          Pakistan and Afghanistan come close to war over Pashtunistan.


          Zahir Shah demands Daoud’s resignation. Dr. Mohammad Yusof becomes Prime Minister.


          The Afghan Communist Party was secretly formed in January. Babrak Karmal is one of the founders.In September, first nationwide elections under the new constitution.Karmal was elected to the Parliament, later instigates riots.Zahir and Yussof form second government.


          Second nationwide elections.Babrak and Hafizullah Amin are elected.


          Mohammad Moussa becomes Prime Minister.


          July 17th: Zahir Shah is on vacation in Europe, when his
          government is overthrown in a military coup headed by Daoud Khan and
          PDPA (Afghan Communist Party).Daoud Khan abolishes the monarchy, declares himself President—Republic of Afghanistan is established.


          UNESCO names Herat as one of the first cities to be designated as a part of the worlds cultural heritage.


          Daoud Khan presents a new constitution. Women’s rights confirmed.Daoud starts to oust suspected opponents from his government.


          Bloody Communist coup: Daoud is killed, Taraki is named President, and Karmal becomes his deputy Prime Minister. Tensions rise.Mass arrests, tortures, and arrests takes place.Afghan flag is changed.Taraki signs treaty of friendship with the Soviet Union.June–Afghan guerrilla (Mujahideen) movement is born.”


          • Unfortunately Afstan is not in the Middle East however broadly defined so your links are irrelevant.  Again do show me the bombing–or use of gas and chemicals–in the timeline above.  Your generalities are not based on any fact.


          • @MarkOttawa:disqus 

            Mmm yeah, Afghanistan is usually considered in the ME…and it’s mentioned in both those items.

            Give it up.

  3. Still no answer on the bombing of Afghanistan, the country we are talking about regardless of where one assigns it geographically (Southwest or Central Asia is normal)–bombing in Iraq is still irrelevant.


    • You’ve been answered, you’re just trying to quibble. LOL

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