The Commons: ‘Canadians are not as cynical as he thought’

Ignatieff blasts Harper and sets out his “not-so-threatening” prorogue agenda

by Aaron Wherry

Michael IgnatieffThe Scene. He opened with pleasantries—”Happy New Year,” he said—and then a joke.

“I’ve hope you’ve all had a good rest. Time with your families,” Michael Ignatieff said, surveying the cluster of reporters in front of him. “Now your family’s thrown you out and told you to get back to work? Same here.”

Aside from a working crew tearing up the front steps to Centre Block—access to our democracy, quite literally, being demolished!—Parliament Hill was quiet and dark, security guards standing around without much to mind. Mr. Ignatieff stood at a lectern in the foyer, behind him the closed doors of the Commons, behind them a group of university students participating in a mock Parliament—the closest the chamber will get to functioning democracy for some weeks yet.

Mr. Ignatieff proceeded with his prepared remarks.

“Mr. Harper prorogued Parliament, shut Parliament down on New Year’s Eve, when he thought no one was looking,” he reviewed. “He thought Canadians didn’t care. And it turns out they do care … Canadians are not as cynical as he thought.”

So it is that our cynicism apparently has its limits. Or perhaps it is merely that some don’t appreciate having their cynicism so unashamedly confirmed. Either way, here we are, openly and heatedly discussing the parameters of Parliamentary democracy, tens of thousands of Canadians signing up for a Facebook group that trumpets the word “proroguing.”

“We’re listening,” the Liberal leader continued. “And we’re going to be going back to work.”

Mr. Ignatieff proceeded to explain what this work would entail. First, a speaking and listening tour of universities. Upon the return of Liberal MPs and senators, as previously scheduled, to Ottawa on January 25, there would be “public hearings” and “public discussions” and “public policy forums,” not to mention “consultations on the economy” and “public consultations on governance,” as well as some “looking at the environment.”

With all of that stated, the first question seemed obvious: So, er, when are we going to have an election?

Actually, to be fair, the first of the reporters’ queries was much more artfully worded. “Do you think he’s gone too far”—he being, in this case, Mr. Harper—”and do you think it’s time to bring him down when you get a chance?”

“Look, what we think about this is, we want to get the other guys back to work,” Mr. Ignatieff managed. “That’s the key thing. The reality is, Mr. Harper always goes too far and then Canadians have to call him back.”

In a red tie and navy blue suit, Mr. Ignatieff continued to stress all of the matters with which we should be dealing and all of the ways in which the Liberals would be attempting to do so.

“We’re not just showing up for a photo op,” he said. “We’re showing up to go to work. That’s the point.”

And if the government will not similarly govern, the opposition will apparently study said governance.

“Every time this government faces an institutional challenge from some other part of the institutions that keep us free,” Mr. Ignatieff explained, apparently struggling to find the words to explain such outrageousness, “they fire back. We think this is a crazy way to run a democracy.”

So there.

And yet, some itch seemed left unscratched. Some insatiable hunger unsatiated. Indeed, as we think now of all that we may be forced to do without these next two months, spare a moment to consider the neediest: the poor press gallery member whose only source of sustenance is fresh reason for election speculation.

“What you’re saying,” one reporter interjected after Mr. Ignatieff had spoken for sometime, “is he can push you around and get away with it.”

“I’m astonished,” Mr. Ignatieff exclaimed, accurately describing the look on his own face.

“Why?” the reporter asked.

“We are coming back to do our job,” Mr. Ignatieff explained.

“I know, but there’s no threat of an election,” the reporter came back. “You’re not saying like you did in September, ‘your time is up,’ you’re just saying, ‘we’re having a big gabfest here and come back when you feel like it.’ ”

“Gabfest,” Mr. Ignatieff grumbled sarcastically. “Gabfest.”

“I’m just saying, where’s the threat?” the reporter begged. “Where’s the muscle?”

The Liberal leader resisted the urge here to remove his shirt and challenge the Prime Minister to a pose down.

“Do Canadians want minority parliaments always functioning with threats?” he wondered aloud. “That’s exactly what Stephen Harper does.”

Astonishment had by now turned to incredulousness, and so the words spilled forth, burying the question under syllables.

“I have done this job for awhile and I’ve learned, I’ve got a very clear message from Canadians: Do your darn job,” he said. “Lower the volume. Do what you’re elected to do. That’s what I’m going to be doing in January and February. And it’ll be no gabfest. Let me tell you, this will be serious public policy. This will help Canadians to face the issues. We’ve had no national discussion about the environment. We’ve had no national discussion about the detainee issue and what we do in Afghanistan. We’ve had no national debate about what we do about veterans. We’ve got people coming, wounded, with PTSD, people who have given us everything and we haven’t had a public discussion about that. This is what Parliament is there for. That’s the kind of work we’re going to be doing.”

If politicians are compelled now to so justify their existences, these months without Parliament may yet prove fruitful.

The Commons: ‘Canadians are not as cynical as he thought’

  1. "Aside from a working crew tearing up the front steps to Centre Block—access to our democracy, quite literally, being demolished—Parliament Hill was quiet and dark, security guards standing around without much to mind."

    Not the greatest metaphor there – at some point, that working crew is going to rebuild that access, hopefully better than it was before. Harper, on the other hand…

  2. No, the work is actually for the moat that Harper requested. Part of the post underwear bomber security package.

    • It looks like Clare's been deleted. Another troll bites the dust.

  3. Poor Iggy – he didn't get it! .. the reported handed it to him and was volunteering to be cut off and all the Igster could muster was mmm errr

  4. “I know, but there's no threat of an election,” the reporter came back. “You're not saying like you did in September, ‘your time is up,' you're just saying, ‘we're having a big gabfest here and come back when you feel like it.' “

    “Gabfest,” Mr. Ignatieff grumbled sarcastically. “Gabfest.”

    Once bitten, twice shy. Ignatieff isn't exactly coming across as a pillar of strength here.

  5. I haven’t had a chance to watch the video. Is this actually an accurate account of the exchange between Iggy and the assembled PPG members?

    • The exchange was about 20 minutes long, covering a variety of topics. Both CTV and CBC have the video on their sites.

    • That's true but Julie Van Dusen virtually called Iffy a coward. It really was over the top. These are the kinds of questions that the PPG loves to ask. They are gotcha kinds of questions. It was when Harper was first elected she asked him if he intended on hiding. He told her he would show up when he had something to say. She was also the instigator who encouraged the PPG to boycott the PM's press conferences. She no longer covers the PM.

  6. Clare, I mean absolutely no offense but I'm curious why you picked English literature's most notorious child predator as your online persona. It seems like an odd choice, to say the least. Based on your avatar, I assume you're a fan of Peter Seller's portrayal of the monstrous pedophile Clare Quilty in Stanley Kubrick's 1962 movie Lolita?

  7. Well, polls told Ignatieff very clearly that Canadians didn't want an election, so why are people complaining that he's shying away from the idea?

    • Only the lefties in the Parliamentary Press Gallery and the opposition supporters are complaining. Most Canadians are quite happy living their lives, earning a living and raising their kids. There will be an election but Canadians will decide when that time is right.

  8. Oh Iggy for once please seize a moment. To CR, if this thing turns around it'll be entirely Harpers doing, maybe a bit of Donolo's? – but not Iggys convos.

    • Uh, huh and Harper doesn't have advisors, big team of strategists, etc.

  9. Ignatieff has taken a weak position and proceeded to make it actually seem weaker.

    Going on about prorogation is a loser strategy for the Liberals. Why? Two reasons (1) because Parliament will not be un-prorogued so what's the point? and (2) because, like Chretien and all other PMs, Ignatieff as PM would want to use prorogation and other prime-ministerial powers and everyone knows this.

    By stating so unequivocally that he will not provoke an election in 2010 Ignatieff has signaled that he will support Harper Budget if both NDP and Bloc vote against it. He has given Harper carte blanche to do now whatever he wants. He is now put himself in a worse position than Dion.

    I heard a recording of the press conference. The reporters were mocking him. It sounded terrible.

    • I am guessing if he votes against the budget he will say it is because Stephen Harper provoked an election.

  10. There was absolutely nothing wrong with what Ignatieff said during that press conference. The reporter, however, has so infused the piece with his own feelings of scorn and derision that I almost thought I was reading a piece of fiction. What's with all the leading words? 'Ignatieff managed…" and 'Ignatieff grumbled…' etc. etc. If you just report the words without all the colour commentary, he was perfectly lucid and reasonable.

    • Lucid an reasonable? I beg to differ. With that fake smile and his gratuitous comments. I don't think so.

  11. But on the election issue, why didn't he just say we'll wait and see what's in the Throne Speech and The Budget? Instead he waffled around and looked weak when he should have been looking strong. One little stumbling unprepared answer can ruin a good run. But on the other hand Harper looked pathetic with that crazy comment about the opposition coming back from vacation on Jan 25th.

    • However, it is true that both Iffy and Layton had little to say directly about prorogation. They left it to spokesmen. He runs the risk if the Libs take a different position on the budget of having to go back on what he said in this press conference.
      He has no political skills and he would be a very weak leader just like the U.S. is finding out with Obama. Obama had no political experience to speak of and he keeps jumping from the fat to the fire. He will be a one term president and Iffy will never see the inside of 24 Sussex.

  12. I just can't take the Liberals serious at this point. They complain about how the Conservatives are hijacking parliament but where are their proposals for lmiting the partisan stranglehold on the place, curtailing the powers of the PMO, restoring relevance to the role of MP, and doing something serious about access to information? Until I hear them address the structural problems that allow the abuses of process to continue, I'm just going to have to assume they are hoping to govern similarly when they get their chance.

    • Paul Martin had great ideas about reforming democracy and look where that got him. When he became PM he was not prepared to give up the powers afforded him as PM. He went down to defeat and a reputation as one of the worse PM's Canada has ever had.

  13. Donolo’s been at work. Ignatieff is so much more on target now, as a Conservative, I’d say this is bad news.

    However, the exaggerated mistatements are still apparent: “We’ve had no debate on detainees, and on this and on that.” Come on. We’ve all been detained too long at that ridiculous debate. Canada doesn’t believe in torture, but we still have to put up with listening to off key MP’s.

    Left on his own Ignatieff himself becomes tortorous to listen to. At least he didn’t start singing this time in his mockery of the PM.

    With that in mind, Happy New Year! To all Good Health. And may the Parliament be Prorogued many more times this year.

    • Actually, the detainee issue is still in the information gathering phase. And Harper has done everything to sabotage that process.

      • He didnt shut it down,the ultimate in sabotage. For most Canadians ths is not an issue.

  14. I thought he did well.

  15. "And yet, some itch seemed left unscratched. Some insatiable hunger unsatiated. Indeed, as we think now of all that we may be forced to do without these next two months, spare a moment to consider the neediest: the poor press gallery member whose only source of sustenance is fresh reason for election speculation."

    More like entrapment if you ask me. Clearly, the intent was to force Iggy into saying that he would pull the plug so that the same reporter(s) could then mock him mercilessly for uttering the words.

    • … and then go join Mike Duffy in the Senate.

  16. For the first time in years, the Opposition leader actually showed up.

    He's saying all the right words; I'm curious if he can follow them up with actions, this time. If so, this year just got a lot more interesting.

    • What actions did he say. They are going to talk among themselves about things that been chewed up and spit out a number of times. Detainees? What were the committee hearings for then? Debates on the environment? Jack would be surprised to see that no debates have taken place. He put forward a number of resolutions dealing with the environment.

      Trouble is he is not saying the right words that Canadians believe. They may appeal to the Liberal base in their desperation for something but to ordinary Canadians not so much.

    • It wouldnt matter if he did, he has not connected with the people,and he never will.____

      Do you think Michael Ignatieff will prove to be a successful Liberal Leader?__Yes (20%) __No (68%) __Not sure (13%) From the Liberal Star

  17. No, there was nothing particularly wrong with what Mr. Ignatieff said but for my part, I keep expecting more from one who is by all accounts an expert speaker. (I blame myself for the disappointment)
    As for Aaron's style, its just that – his style – he's very consistent when he presents 'The Scene'.

  18. Actually, the reporter comes across as pretty shallow. The role of opposition has to be more than non-confidence votes. Many of the questions seemed stupid.

    • The Parliamentary Press Gallery is a bunch of twits with Julie Van Dusen leading the herd of twits. If it was up to her and many of her friends they would have an election every week until that mean Mr. Harper is defeated. However, Canadians know there are only two choices for PM. The current PM who has led the country through the toughest recession in our history or a carpetbagger who wants to be an American and has no ability as a leader or politician.

  19. This was so much better than Harper's 'I need more time to do my job' excuse. And did Harper even take questions from the press?

  20. Turnabout being fair play . . . out yourself . . . I doubt it . . .

  21. …rest assured the liberals will never recieve[sic] my vote in a 100,000,000 years.

    That's such a shame, as they've been working so hard to lock up the immortal vote.

  22. and it would only cost you $562 for each of those 100 million years to pay off the $56.2 billion dollar deficit forecast by Jim Flaherty for the year 2009.

    Hope you have a steady job, Tony

  23. Van Dusen's outburst was bizarre – it's like she was personally offended that Ignatieff denied her her desired narrative and then proceeded to taunt him like she was a jr high popularity queen.

    it was weird.

  24. On the other hand, the "debate" on global warming might be settled by then.

  25. Tony's offered to tale care of the 2009-10 federal deficit? Cool! Thanks, Tony!! Any generous benefactors want to sign up for 2010-11?

  26. had to read it twice to make sure the "t" was there ;)

  27. -27 points! That's impressive.

    Especially considering Mr Crit Reasoning up there gets 103. I wish we could do something about the fact that just showing up gets you a point.

    Hey look, this comment got me a point. Point point point.

  28. Nobody cares about the IntenseDebate points, Mike.

  29. ROFL – poor Iggy he didn't even get it when it the reporting was handing it to him on a silver platter -

  30. No. He's coming off as someone who's thinking rather than simply trying to play politics. Harper simply outclasses him in the latter, so it's time to change the playing field.

  31. Fair enough. It will be interesting to see whether Ignatieff can turn things around with his public policy conversations with Canadians over the next few months.

  32. He didn't state any such thing,

  33. yeah. forget the points, i just want the blackberry daiquiris i hear they serve in the 100 point lounge!

  34. It just dawned on me why Iggy is behaving like a deer looking at those oncoming headlights at night. Think about it folks – either way let's say this issue gets stronger and the liberal base gets more juice and gets tired of all talk no action Iggy and starts pressuring him especially Bobby R currently holding Iggys jacket and whispering in his ear go for it man go for it – OR – the news cycle spins along and another issue takes over and again the liberal base tacks to the leeward – ROFL brilliant – but the joker in the deck is the NDP and they seem to be playing their cards very close to their chest and letting the Igster step out in front – hmmmm

    • Wow, this is a serious contender for most rambling mixed-metaphor filled comment this year; and the year's only nine days old.

  35. "It will be interesting to see whether Ignatieff can turn things around with his public policy conversations with Canadians over the next few months."

    We need to name a version of the Friedman Unit after you.

    • You should look up what "Friedman Unit" actually means, then get back to me.

  36. Nice try at goading the feckless leader of the opposition. He has seen the polls and knows any attempt at an election will see him sent back to Harvard. The media are in high dudgeon over prorogation but that's because they will have nothing to do for two months or at least five weeks. That's the real length of this so called threat to democracy. Given that MPs weren't due back until Jan. 25 th and there would be a break for the Olympics. So if it gives the media something to write about for the next month and the Libs will have a gabfest the ball is clearly in the PM's court. The media and the opposition have always underestimated Harper. He will come back with something that will blow the media and the opposition parties out of the water. Stay tuned.

    • What are we talking -a military-backed coup – Iggy deported in the middle of the night in his pyjamas? Let me guess – you wouldn't have a problem with that?

  37. Actually he's coming across as someone making a speech. He's pretty decent at them. Has almost had me convinced a few times. Except the only thing he can seem to stay consistent on is trying to grasp onto something or other as scandalous. He hasn't proposed policy differences. He occasionally picks out things he disagrees with, but he never puts forward what he would do instead.

    The excuses I hear for this range from "but then the government will just steal them" (isn't this a good thing – i mean if you have a good idea and the government implements it you've made a constructive difference, you've been a good opposition) to "look at what happened when Dion had ideas!" (yea great, we hated his idea, possibly even just his ability to communicate his idea, that doesn't mean all ideas are a bad thing – and it's certainly very difficult to be motivated to vote for someone because they have ideas they just aren't telling you)

  38. Is Canada's Constitutional monarchy real democracy?

    Stephen Harper's opportunistic use of prorogation is not illegal in Canada's constitutional monarchy.

    With two prorogations in 15 months, Stephen Harper easily freed himself from some elected counterweight. For the prime minister the decision to prorogue government was a fairly standard procedure. But according to a poll by Angus Reid, 53 per cent of respondents in Canada believe their federal government was wrong to prorogue Parliament.

    It is not his only democratically questionable moves. He bars most ministers from talking to the media then stop financing some independent watchdogs. Defying the December 10 vote in Parliament, the government has produce to Canadian parliamentarians' only heavily censored documents on Afghan detainees.

    The question is: Does a real democracy can permit a minority government to do these actions and control the majority in such a way?

    • Nor was the formation of a coalition, but that didn't stop people from being against it.

  39. Homerun…..out of the park.

  40. Why are the reporters now demanding an election from Ignatieff? When he wanted one, y'all crapped on him for that. How about asking the sitting Prime Minister some hard questions,instead? Are you all afraid of him? I think you all are. You're so ineffective in your jobs, you can't even get Harper to face you in a scrum. That's truly pathetic on your part. It's also probably why you need to vent your frustrations out on Ignatieff. As I said, truly ineffective and utterly pathetic.

    The next federal election will be critical to Canada. There will be a great deal riding on it. Personally, I want that election to be held only after Canadians indicate they want one and IFF Ignatieff can win it. Harper is much too dangerous to treat this coming election like it were a game. The biggest fools in this country are, quite frankly, the media. Simply incapable of doing your job in defending Canada. Very sad, indeed. And as scary as Harper is, you fools scare me more.

    • Nice of Iffy to deign us with his presence all the way from the South of France. I agree with you about the media. They have always acted in a pack mentality. They are frustrated with Harper because Harper will not allow them to force him in one direction or the other. He does what he feels is in the best interest of the country considering he is in a minority government.
      It is time for changes in the Parliamentary Press Gallery. Van Dusen things she is a member of the opposition. Goading Iffy as she did was unprofessional but since when has she ever been a professional journalist.

      You think the media should defend Canada. What do you want them to do? Their job is simply to report the facts in a fair and balanced way but they simply can't do that. It is up to Canadians to defend their "democracy".

    • "Simply incapable of doing your job in defending Canada"

      I call B******T to that. Since when has the media been conflated to this role? Media is a BUSINESS, it's motivated by the need to sell advertising, which means it cannot be expected to seriously challenge the status quo that advertisers want to maintain. The whole "media is the guardian of liberty" thing hasn't really been valid since Thomas Paine and Jefferson (in the 'States). Surely nobody really thinks George Brown (founder of The Globe, precursor of The Globe and Mail) was in it for anything but money and social status?

      As hollinm says, it's up to Canadians to defend Canada. The media "may" provide assistance, but I wouldn't want to rely on it.

  41. I love how Iggy is playing these finger pointing non-action approachs, yet Harper is actually getting the work done , rest assured the liberals will never recieve my vote in a 100,000,000 years

  42. First order of business for the opposition is push a private members bill to amend the constitution (can they? or does this have to come from the government?) to make it so Parliament can only be closed via Parliamentary vote.

    Otherwise, all their complaining and moaning is just the complains and moans of the standard Canadian opposition, which will whine at the top of it's lungs when in opposition, then copycat the government the day they become the government.

    • The opposition can certainly propose a private members bill but the fact is it is unlikely to get to the floor. They seldom do. Do you honestly believe that a Liberal government would agree to change the rules for prorogation? They have used those rules effectively over most of the last century and in their delusional minds they think they are going to be the government within the next 10 years. The opposition has been fairly quiet on the prorogue issue. It is really the media and the hysterical shool girls like Coyne who think our democracy is coming to an end.

  43. Why don't you express your point as a coherent sentence, and then I'll decide whether you're worth responding to.

  44. Well, at least they've been working on shoring up something…

  45. That is somewhat standard for JvanD, no?

  46. I'm glad you're so impressed with the trolls, hellomike. I wade through trolls every day but it's fools like you who make it so much worse.

    Goodbye, Mike.

  47. Never mind Harper or Iggy – but the reporter's question was pathetic. As if she's trying to be over tough or something.

    She was trying to accomplish what? Pathetic

  48. exactly – for all the hot air and indignation coming from the Liberals, they have a lot of baggage on this. Who remembers Chretien ending parliament and taking the country into an election (very early for a majority government) to take advantage of the weakness in the opposition? Who remembers Chretien ending a committing investigating the Somalia torture by Canadian soldiers (not quite the same as Canadian soldiers turning over detainees according to protocol set up by a Liberal government, but what the heck the media has a short, short memory!)?

    This is legal and constitutional and is not some rare event.

  49. This will be a gift to the Liberals if they take the time to actually develop some solid policies that ring true with Canadians – then when parliament resumes (and it will – this is not the tragic end of democracy as some would have us believe) – the Liberals can critic the government's budget on the basis of actual and real policies, rather than off the top of their heads. But I suspect they will not to that and will miss another opportunity. I personally don't care of the Liberals ever get back into power, but it is sad to see them miss opportunity after opportunity.

  50. Unfortunately for Ignatieff, the electorate is not as stupid as he thinks they are.

    Just because Iggy says this isn't a photo op, doesn't mean it isn't. With Donolo and Kinsella running the show, everything is, and will be, a photo op. I mean, Heene is trying to convince us that "balloon boy" wasn't a hoax.

    You can give a loser a makeover, but he is still a loser.

    • Just ask Michelle Muntean

  51. Ah but he said there will be no election even with Van Dusen goading him. So he has in effect telepgraphed that the Libs will support the budget. Of course like most things Libs say they could reverse themselves. They do speak out of both sides of their mouth on most subjects. Why would this be any different.

  52. How do you define the 'ordinary Canadian'?

  53. If you need to ask you aren't one of them. The fact is an ordinary Canadian is one who pays little attention to day to day politics but judges for him or herself who they believe would be the best leader and party to form the government without being influenced by the minutae of what is being written everyday. They are also people who go to work everday, struggle to pay the bills and try to give to their families the best lives they can give them.
    The people on these boards are not representative of those Canadians. We and I include myself are those who are political junkies who live and breathe and hang on to every political word that is written and are hyper partisans. However, to suggest that we represent what the masses are thinking would be foolish.

  54. The Globe's Joan Bryden has written a story about the same press conference and she states:

    "Mr. Ignatieff said the documents would shed light on such crucial matters as whether Canada has respected international law and human rights, “the conduct of our troops in the field” and the conduct of the government which appears to have ignored warnings about torture.

    “This is really serious stuff,” he said, adding that Liberals “will not let up about this.”

    Mr. Ignatieff was the head of the "Carr Centre for Human Rights" at Harvard. He is the authority on this subject and here he is questioning the conduct of our troops and whether or not they respected international law and human rights.

    Oh yeah! It's not about our troops! I forgot. But now I'm confused because Mr. Ignatieff said it is. Jenn? Can you explain?

    Well, I for one will not allow him to destroy the reputation of our brave men and women in uniform for his own political gain. Disgusting!

  55. The Libs have never respected the military. They believe in soft diplomacy and so called peacekeeping. So if it means that they may be able to score political points against Harper they will say and do anything including accusing our military of committing war crimes and contravening the Geneva Convention.
    The whole exercise is all about getting Harper. Unfortunately they are on a witchhunt which will see our role in Afghanistan diminished despite the blood, sweat and tears expended over almost 10 years. Iffy is not a leader and he and his party should never govern this country. The Libs are a disgrace.

  56. I knew it, I knew it, I knew it. Iggy is trying to legitimize a Facebook group. Can he get any more superficial than that, is he the only one that doesn't know that thousands of people join every stinkin facebook group there is to try and validate their life. Ya know, if the opposition had any intent of actually getting some work done and passing some legislation while parliament was in session I would be more sympathetic. The fact is the Libs and Dippers only intent is to disrupt the business of the day and oppose everything just for spite. I don't blame Harper for shutting down what is becoming a farce, his people will likely get more done when they don't have to answer ridiculous questions over and over and over.

  57. Really? You're not an 'ordinary' Canadian but you know all about them – is that it? And according to you they choose leaders and parties on – what – feelings, not information? What an elitist attitude some of you Conservatives have.

  58. He missed the Harper and a firm hand on the tiller – would have made a fitting close.

  59. Do you think Michael Ignatieff will prove to be a successful Liberal Leader?
    Yes (20%)
    No (68%)
    Not sure (13%)
    Total Votes: 1050
    From the star. Iggy- not a leader

    • This is what the anti Harper crowd on this board and others together with their supplicants in the media do not understand. There are only two choices in the next election; the current PM who has taken the country through a very difficult recession and the carpetbagger who knows nothing about the country and has got a fresh thought in his brain. That's the choice that Canadians face in the next election. All the polls and all the survey including what you have shown in your comment show poll after poll. The rest of the stuff is white noise that Canadians do not pay attention to. They know what the choice is and even if they didn't like prorogation etc they will make the choice that they think is in the best interest of the country. Joining FB is not the answer for the opposition but if it makes them feel better have at it.

      • Knows nothing about the country except what he wrote in a book about the country that got him an award from the Governor General of this country.

        And to say Mr. Harper took us through a difficult recession is like saying Brian Williams took New Orleans through Hurrican Katrina. Yeah, he was there and talked about it a lot.. but that doesn't make him responsible for it in any way, shape, or form. Hell, to be more accurate, Harper took us through a difficult recession like Madoff took people through the stock market crash. He didn't cause it, but his actions probably made it a bit worse than it needed to be. Imagine if Canada had maintained the surplus created by the Liberals when this recession hit. Why then we wouldn't have had to go into deficit so badly that it'll take around a decade for us to get out of it.

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