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‘This coup’


 

A Conservative whose name escapes just deemed the coalition to be as much.

Let’s pretend he’s vaguely serious. If this was indeed a “coup,” would the Prime Minister not be obliged to declare martial law, call in the military and round up the leaders of this insurrection? Forget proroguing Parliament or rescheduling opposition days in the House, if the Prime Minister and his government are serious about the threat to our nation, let’s see tanks on the Hill. Anything less would be irresponsible, no?


 

‘This coup’

  1. “Coup” is hyperbole, of a kind often amployed by the Conservatives and their supporters these days.

    It’s “martial” law.

  2. My bad.

  3. I believe me meant “coup de grâce.

  4. I would recommend against not ratcheting up the current partisan craziness and government instability by taking every word spoken by an MP literally at the moment.

    Is this an *actual* coup attmept? No.

    Can we allow MPs a little rhetorical leeway. I think so.

    If the Cabinet actually starts referencing the “real or apprehended war or insturrection” clauses of the constitution and other legislation, then we have a problem.

  5. This spin bothers me – “coup”, “seize power”, “install an unelected government” etc.

    It has gone way beyond spin at this point – it’s misleading Canadians as to the nature of what’s going on here. It’s irresponsible and kind of sickening to watch. Sadly, it was also entirely predictable from the moment the coalition talk began, given the Cons’ record. Just one more reason why this “coup” is a good thing.

  6. all of them have been saying “coup”, i heard it from Pierre Polliverre this morning. They are trying to paint this as un-democratic by using hyperbole. It’s hardly a coup though. It is well within the constitution–a coup would be an un-democratic seizure of power, a suspension of the constitution. And usually you need the military to back you up on a coup.

  7. Aaron, this is what I wrote last night and everybody thought that I was joking.

    Karol
    Dec 1, 2008 2:21

    Raging Ranter, Canadian DOD invested half a billion dollars in 120 slightly used Leopard Tanks.
    I believe that we already took delivery of these tanks.
    I somehow do not recall seeing them on the streets of Canadian cities. That was something that Liberals said that Conservatives would do if they were allowed to govern. They were governing for almost three years now and they have not done it yet and I would be very disappointed if it turned out that Conservatives failed to deliver on Liberal promise.

  8. REPORTER: How far are you prepared to go with that?

    PMSH: Just watch me.

  9. I would recommend against not ratcheting up the current partisan craziness and government instability by taking every word spoken by an MP literally at the moment.

    Oh, to the contrary. Now is the perfect time to ratchet up partisan craziness. This type of political brouhaha, where no one knows what’s going on but everyone has a very strong opinion on that of which they know nothing, directly lends itself to such conduct. And I for one am totally in favour.

  10. It is a “technical coup,” but one that Canada is well positioned for and will not be as painful as a real coup would be.

  11. I was thinking that calling in the army would not be beyond the pale for these guys. I’m glad somebody said it first, if only joking. Who would they obey, Mackay or the GG?

  12. They meant Coup deVille, as in giving up the 4-door limo for an economy Cadillac.

  13. Dije: is a “technical coup” like a “technical recession”?

    Like a “technical virgin” or a “technical pregnancy”?

    Lame, lame, lame.

  14. ‘It is a “technical coup,” but one that Canada is well positioned for and will not be as painful as a real coup would be.’

    post of the day

  15. I sure hope the GG is on a plane home — because this is moving way too fast for her to sit another second in Europe.

  16. TJ, it is ‘technically lame.’

    The only way to get the Canadian government to address the best interests of Canadians is to… replace it.

    Ideology sure can take us to some odd places. The Bloc have more interest in a functioning Canada than Conservatives.

    Odd times.

  17. The Bloc have more interest in a functioning Canada than Conservatives.

    And the Conservatives have more interest in courting Quebec nationalists. Odd times, indeed.

  18. If it were a coup, then wouldn’t Harper be more worried about his impending show trial and summary execution by firing squad than about holding on to power?

  19. I do agree that the Conservative spin denying the legitimacy of the proposed coalition is deplorable.

  20. This is exactly why the GG is the commander in chief of the armed forces, and not the PM.

    The army follows her orders.

  21. Stephen: I personally find it disgusting that they are now talking about protesting the GG as if it is HER fault. Good grief. What a way to try and misinform people about how the Constitution works.

  22. Stephen B said

    ““Coup” is hyperbole, of a kind often amployed by the Conservatives and their supporters these days.”

    About the same level employed by the opposition to justify the GG ignoring the PM’s advice for dissolution. Where are the equivalent “tanks in poland” that mean a change in government , policy etc without an election. I mean they’re boring, messy and inconvenient but they kind of work. I know noocracy would be so much better wouldnt it?

  23. David – makes it odd doesn’t it that the Liberals, NDP and Bloc can work together better than any one of the three working with the Conservatives. If either of the three parties worked with the Conservatives, they would achieve more that way than they would in a left coalition…

    But Harper tried to choke out all three of them. At the same time. All three are fighting back. At the same time. And as often happens, the bully chicken has lost it’s head and is now flailing around without direction.

    I don’t recall the last time a government so soundly rejected it’s own economic statement, especially so quickly! So much history being made!

  24. I tink i heard the fouth horseman going out the door – hope it’s not too late to call him back? Playing symbolic politics is never a good idea. It’s time to declare victory and leave H to the cons. the GG’s perogative has only been used once before for agood reason – it’s dangerous. This has all been very entertaining, but i think i’d like to get back towatching something dull now – like seeing the global economy go off a cliff.

  25. Gee. And here I thought everybody was saying “coop” as a follow-up on L’il MacKay’s “chicken” comments.

  26. Wherry, please don’t give Harpe any ideas.

  27. The Great Coup of ’08…..we’ll be able to tell our grandchildren that we were there….THERE!

    I haven’t witnessed this much drama since the sinking of the Mariposa Belle.

  28. The point has been well made that H decided to take on not one opp party, not 2 but all 3 at once. This is a strategic genius! If you are going to pull a stunt like this wouldn’t you want some backup? I believe he’s finished. Ratcheting up this further may well just be handing the ball back to him after he’s just kicked off through his own posts.

  29. Step #1 Harper fires the current GG
    Step #2 Harper appoints Ralph Klien GG
    Step #3 Harper goes to the Queen(of Canada) and implores speedy confermation because of the of the seperatist party will hold the balance of power within the attempted treasonous coalitions coup and the imminent threat it places on the stabilization of Canada.
    Step #4 Harper resigns his government
    Step #5 GG Klein calls and election.
    Step #6 Consevative Majority

  30. Isn’t a coup tantamount to insurrection and treason, the latter crime still punishable by death in this country?

    Could the opposition parties sue the various CPC representatives who have suggested they are committing high treason?

  31. Guys, just go to Blogging Tories website and click on Coalition of Blind and you will see some nice pictures of Leopard Tanks that Canada DOD bought just in time to put out this “Socialist Revolution”.

  32. Could the opposition parties sue the various CPC representatives who have suggested they are committing high treason?

    Only Stephen Harper is allowed to sue other politicians.

  33. Its not only Conservatives calling this a coup. I find it unbelievable that the Liberals would try to foist upon us a primeminister that they don’t even want as their own leader.

  34. Apparently Chretien says in his memoir that when he was primeminister, he felt the governor general reported to him. Apparently he still thinks she reports to him

  35. Ah yes, if a Conservative PM were to do it, it would be “martial law.” But everyone in the media and academe uses the sanitized “War Measures Act” nomenclature when referrring to Trudeau’s suspension of civil liberties. I wonder why that is. No, on second thought, I don’t.

  36. What ticks me off is the government is melting down and Michaelle still can’t manage to come back to Canada!

  37. Re my above comment. Charles Adler, a widely listened to talk show host, is also calling this a coup.

  38. It definitely is a coup. If it succeeds the charge is Tyrrany and the Tyrant is the Governor General Michaelle Jean. The word of Stephen Harper is God if we are a true Democracy. Whatever your vote in the last election, if you do not acknowledge that the GG has no constitutional authority to override the decision of our elected Prime Minister about what the next move is, then you are a subject of a Constitutional Monarchy and by your very presence erode my citizenship according my membership in Democracy.

  39. j tintor
    it may be difficult for you to believe this but when pet invoked the WMA that was actually what it was called. I’ve heard your first two thoughts, please hold the third.
    sammy
    Raiph for GG – i love it.
    if i was the GG i’d be heading parts unknown right now. Although there is a rumour she’s been rendered to Syria [ sincere apologies to anyone reading who may already have already have had that dubious pleasure ]

  40. “A Conservative whose name escapes just deemed the coalition to be as much.”

    Sure he did. After all, as the least objective and most partisan columnist in Canada – no mean feat – you’ve certainly earned the benefit of the doubt, and this cannot possibly be a comically transparent strawman argument. Some people might say that individuals posing as “professional” journalists who make up stories and present them as fact represents a serious and actionable breach of public trust, but they’re probably Conservatives.

    So the price tag is in for the “stimulus”: $30 billion dollars. Wow, I thought they’d go $15, 20, max. Something else came in today: 3rd quarter GDP numbers. Up1.3%. Corporate profits are up and so is manufacturing (!). The joint is hopping.

    If Canadians wanted $30 billion in new spending they would have voted for it. The opposition does not have a mandate for new spending that the public does not want and the economy does not need. This is a shakedown of taxpayers, pure and simple, and to the extent Wherry and Co. are breaching public trust at a cost to the taxpayer of $30 billion, we will hold them accountable for that. Instead of criticizing imaginary Conservatives, you should be criticizing the people who want to burden you and those who you care about with a Bush-style megadebt, by way of Bush-style fearmongering.

    Who hear wants a huge tax hike? No? Then you *will* oppose this socialist bloc, by way of civil disobedience if necessary, and you *will* like it, understood?

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