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Voter engagement (II)


 

The Conservative campaign has issued the following statement.

The Conservative Party encourages all Canadians to exercise their democratic right to vote. In fact, we are taking unprecedented steps to ensure that all Canadians are aware of the many ways in which they can vote, including voting by special ballot at or through returning offices.

Voting is a democratic right. A fair election process is an equally important democratic right. All Canadians want the election rules to be followed and to be enforced the same everywhere.

On April 13, representatives of the Marty Burke campaign attended at a polling station set up by the Returning Officer for Guelph.

The local campaign was denied the right to have its identified scrutineer observe the process – a denial of a basic electoral right. The local campaign also noticed that Liberal material was present in the polling area – a clear breach of the rules.

On behalf of the Marty Burke campaign, the Party’s legal counsel contacted Elections Canada headquarters in Ottawa. At this point, the assumption was that the Returning Officer was acting in compliance with the Canada Elections Act and the goal was simply to ask that the basic standards of fairness be observed.

It turned out that the real issue was not the denial of procedural fairness at a legally authorized poll, but the fact that the poll was not authorized at all. Pierre Boutet of Elections Canada informed our legal counsel that the Guelph poll was not authorized by Elections Canada. Given the admission that the local Returning Officer acted without authority, we leave it to Elections Canada to enforce the rules and uphold the law. We have no further public comment about this matter.

In 2006, the Liberal Party successfully petitioned Elections Canada to quash an unauthorized poll set up on the University of Toronto campus by the Returning Officer in Trinity-Spadina. The issue was then, as it is now, ensuring that the rules are followed.

The Marty Burke campaign states that none of its workers or volunteers interfered with the process; in particular, none of its workers or volunteers touched a ballot box or ballot. The campaign asked to have an identified scrutineer present, and this right was denied. The outlandish and unfounded claims being spread on the Internet are the product of desperation, and are most regrettable.


 

Voter engagement (II)

  1. Cons tucking their tails between their legs, and running like hell.

  2. Cons tucking their tails between their legs, and running like hell.

    • Emily,
      Have you worked at a polling station? If you had, you would know the rules. The comment such as the one above illustrates your lack of depth in many of your statements.

      • I have been a scutineer many times and know thuggery when I see it.

      • Yes, I have…and the only thing my comment illustrates is that Cons like you don't know how to behave….but when caught run like hell, lying all the way.

      • "Have you worked at a polling station?"

        This wasn't a polling station. Special Ballot. Do some reading.

        • Voting on campus has it's own rules. I'm guessing the Cons don't know that. They better get their goons in line.

      • To accept a Harper CON statement as 'fact' is to join a sea of lemmings seeking the best sunset view…

      • I have, and I have also been a scrutineer in ballot counting. Conservative scrutineers challenging every vote, trying to wear down the other parties' scrutineers. They were horrible bullies.

  3. Not sure why people would give up their right to vote. It is such a privelege that many countries only dream of.

  4. Not sure why people would give up their right to vote. It is such a privelege that many countries only dream of.

  5. An unauthorized polling station?

    That's prety god damn sketchy if you ask me. Good on any party for making sure this kind of stuff is not allowed.

  6. An unauthorized polling station?

    That's prety god damn sketchy if you ask me. Good on any party for making sure this kind of stuff is not allowed.

    • Oliver: sorry bout that low reading-comprehension score….

    • You should never, ever try to steal a ballot box. Even one from a phony election. By all means record and report so that the votes won't be counted if they are illegitimate.

    • No, an authorized special ballot collection. As pointed out below, if it was unauthorized, where would the Elections Canada ballot boxes and tape come from?

      To repeat: No polling station was authorized, true. This wasn't a polling station. It was a special ballot.

  7. The evolving narrative: It's a local issue, a staffer did it, wait the Liberals did it first, it's a matter of principle, we have no further comment.

    Damage control?

  8. The evolving narrative: It's a local issue, a staffer did it, wait the Liberals did it first, it's a matter of principle, we have no further comment.

    Damage control?

    • remember:
      dear leader has "declined to comment on local campaigns"

  9. Another day of Election 2011, and another manufactured and sensationalized non-story. Ah, but we needed this fourth $300 million election in seven years, didn't we. lol

  10. Another day of Election 2011, and another manufactured and sensationalized non-story. Ah, but we needed this fourth $300 million election in seven years, didn't we. lol

    • Given that the Government refused to disclose cost estimates for budget items it was asking MP's to authorize, and was found in contempt for doing so, yes, we really did need an election. Please note that two of the prior three elections were triggered by the Conservative Party of Canada. If you're upset with "too many elections" (odd in a democracy), then direct your ire at the CPC.

      • Parties in Parliament get into squabbles over costing of future programs all the time. If it's such a big deal, why does nobody ever talk about it anymore? Why do they focus on stupid non-stories like the one at the University of Guelph? You feel this fourth $300 million election in seven years is completely justified. I doubt voters agree with you, and the campaign so far has revealed that, hasn't it.

        • Wait, was the last election (the third in 5 years) necessary? You know the one that Mr. Harper unilaterally called, proroguing parliament?

          • Maybe not, since Harper only got an expanded minority mandate. And since when is calling an election an example of proroguing Parliament? Or do all elections involve prorogation. Seems like an odd characterization, if you ask me.

            The fact is, I believe the opposition has to justify this fourth $300 million election in seven years. They say democracy needs it, but the nonsense so far appears to contradict such claims, don't it?

          • No, first he called the unnecessary election. Soon after he prorogued Parliament like a coward because he was about to be booted out, having lost the confidence of the House of Commons.

        • SInce 2004, Canadian voters have expressed no desire to see any party with a majority. Each election has resulted in a minority and Canadians expect the parties to cooperate on legislation and funding. The Conservatives have, instead, obstructed committee work, withheld information from MPs, refused to produce people and papers requested by Parliamentarians, called a snap election (nobody wanted), prorogued to avoid the scrutiny of the House (killing more than 60 of their own bills), been found to have violated the privilege of Parliament (detainee documents), been found in contempt of Parliament …

          Notice a pattern here? These aren't "stupid non-stories".

          • I think voters are sick of these endless minorities and elections, and the nonsense during this campaign just proves that to me. It's been on nonsense story after another. Odd for an opposition and media who said this election was crucial to our democracy. I don't think anybody's buying it.

          • Notice a pattern here? These aren't "stupid non-stories".

            unfortunately, the craigslist CONs are stupid non-story people…

        • I like elections. I like democracy. A shame you don't.

          • I like democracies. The idea that frivolous elections reflect democracy is nonsense coming from opposition and media that are completely out of touch. And the polls are showing this, aren't they.

          • Again, elections are not frivolous and opinion polls are no substitute for voting.

          • Note the silence on your last point there Amateur.

          • lol, well excuse me for having other things to do other than responding to nonsense right away. That you felt necessary to write this post of yours just confirms what I've been saying. Our opposition today has nothing but nonsense. Nothing. Sorry.

          • I accept your apology.

            Thanks.

          • Very lame, dude. This is all you people have? This is why we need a fourth $300 million election in seven years, is it? lol

          • Well, see, we wouldn't be on our fourth election if the CPC hadn't called that completely pointless one in 2008. Can we get a refund?

          • a) Canadians decide if elections are necessary. They decided that last time. What is it about these basic facts that some of you Gomers don't understand?

            b) You say you respect democracy, but you want a refund from a democratic election? My God? Who are you people, and why are you forcing this election on us?

          • I get it – you're playing Calvinball! The rules change moment to moment as required to make your arguments sound coherent in that moment.

          • In other words, you didn't have a substantive rebuttal, so you engaged in this knee-jerk nonsense – just like much of what the opposition is doing during this fourth $300 million election in seven years. Thanks.

          • A substantive rebuttal is meaningless when your opponent is playing Calvinball. Keep moving those goalposts!

          • You just can't explain it. This is why we're having our fourth $300 million election in seven years, is it? lol. Next.

          • a) "They decided that last time." Judging by the low voter turnout, I'd say a good many thought it quite unnecessary. Let's see how the numbers compare this time.

            b) Just saying… you're griping about the cost of this election, but apparently think it's a worthwhile expense if YOUR party brings about a premature end to Parliament. So if the cost of this one is so offensive to CPC supporters, they ought to put their money where their mouth is and cough up for the one the rest of us thought was unnecessary.

            But anyway, enough of this fooloshness; "Emily on acid"; you clearly have no real point to make and just want to bait the opposition, so I'm putting you on ignore again.

          • WHEN HAVE I PERSONALLY COMMENTED ON MERITS OF HAVING THE LAST ELECTION, GOMERS??

            WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THIS ELECTION, GOMERS!

            Holy cow. Are some of you just stupid? Zealots? What?

          • Slow down, think it through. You've said over and over that four elections in seven years are the fault of the opposition.

            Obviously some people feel that the '08 election was unnecessary, and there's no denying that Stephen Harper alone made it happen.

            There! That wasn't so hard. Kumbaya, Dennis_F, kumbaya.

          • AGAIN: WHAT DOES 2008 HAVE TO DO WITH 2011, GOMER??

            Are you stupid? Seriously. lol

          • "WHAT DOES 2008 HAVE TO DO WITH 2011, GOMER??"

            Me: "You've said over and over that four elections in seven years are the fault of the opposition."

            Stupid is as stupid does, gomer. lol/next/etc.

          • I keep saying this opposition forced the FOURTH election in seven years, right? Not the THIRD, not the SECOND, not the FIRST.

            Finally got it? lol. Didn't think so. Duh. Next.

          • U mad? lol

          • Every time you write "4 in 7" you are directly commenting on the 2006 and 2008 elections which were forced upon Canadians by Stephen Harper before the 5 year mandate (well, I guess four on that second one) of a sitting Parliament was up. If you can't understand that, you are really out of your depth here.

            Next?

          • When I am talking about the FOURTH election in seven years, I am talking bout the FOURTH election in seven years. Not the FIRST, not the SECOND, not the THIRD, but the FOURTH. lol

            Honestly, if you're too stupid to understand grade school logic like this, why come on here? Why expose your own stupidity and desperation? lol

          • Dennis_F has lost Cats, who tidily explains what's going on here.

            Well done Cats! Though I'm afraid there's no getting through Dennis_F's Reality Protection Mental State.

          • It's a satisfying form of schadenfreude, savoring the irony of Dennis using CAPS LOCK at the same time as accusing someone else of desperation.

            Rich, thick, creamy irony.

          • So if we had an election every month, they wouldn't be frivolous? Who in the world are you people trying to kid?

          • So now you've gone from objecting to an election every couple of years (note that Stevie triggered two of the four — even ignoring his own fixed election date to do so — cuz he thought he had a cheap partisan advantage) to objecting to a fictional election every other month.

            Having lost the argument and confused popularity with democratic process, you now choose to put forward an absurdity that is not occurring and has nothing to do with reality.

            And then you accuse me of spouting nonsense?

            You need help, sir.

          • I haven't changed anything. You argued that any election is good for democracy. I pointed out the absurdity of that position. Nobody is buying this nonsense from the opposition. Nobody.

          • Except, I suppose, the 2/3 of the population who don't support your side.

          • Where do you opposition supporters get this stuff? Out of your butts?

            This poll says Canadians didn't want this election.

            This poll says Canadians want a majority government.

            Next.

          • Only poll that counts is the one on May 2.

            PLEASE go away until then.

          • This is where you learn to write essays without research or facts.

          • You might want to learn how to write a coherent sentence. lol

  11. C`mon Elections Canada—do your job.

  12. C`mon Elections Canada—do your job.

    • ya, fight back against these Con-men who would like you to emulate the Zimbabwe electoral commission!

      • I would say the Liberals probably were anxious to get as many students as possible to vote for their candidate before they left the campus for the summer and they may have skirted the rules as far as influencing voters near the poll by passing out Lib-propaganda and attempting to keep the Conservative scrutineer from doing his job, but I think you are a little over-the-top with the Zimbabwe reference.

        • Not polls. Different rules. Special ballot collection

          • So tell us more about these " Different rules " that you seem to infer that the special ballot collection can push aside.

          • He's already provided you with a direct link further up the thread. Do you expect him to read the rules aloud to you?

          • Given the reading comprehension Blue's displayed previously, it couldn't hurt.

          • I said that Elections Canada has to investigate to see if your Lib friends " skirted the rules as far as influencing voters near the poll by passing out Lib-Propaganda and attempting to keep the Conservative scrutineer from doing his job ".

            Very old Person says there are different rules for this Special Ballot Collection.

            I then asked to hear more about these Special and Different rules that would allow these antics that would appear to being excused because of the " Special Ballot ".

            The snarks from Jenn and Thwim are not helpful nor are they surprising.

  13. Given that the Government refused to disclose cost estimates for budget items it was asking MP's to authorize, and was found in contempt for doing so, yes, we really did need an election. Please note that two of the prior three elections were triggered by the Conservative Party of Canada. If you're upset with "too many elections" (odd in a democracy), then direct your ire at the CPC.

  14. An unauthorized polling station – GOOD GRIEF! and somehow the left wing nuts want to smear us Tories = hahahahaha!

  15. An unauthorized polling station – GOOD GRIEF! and somehow the left wing nuts want to smear us Tories = hahahahaha!

    • It's not unauthorized…be serious.

      • Was it an authorized polling station? If so, the Tories could be in a lot of trouble.

        Their press release states Pierre Boutet of Elections Canada informed our legal counsel that the Guelph poll was not authorized by Elections Canada.

        Was this part of the press release inaccurate?

        • Well you could set one up on your front lawn if you wanted to….but that certainly wouldn't get the votes counted.

          The idea is to get the votes out, not waste a day gathering votes you then can't get into the results.

          • If it's not authorized, I fail to see the point. Why are students waiting hours in line (as one commenter states) to cast a fake ballot? How does this get the votes out? Do the students realize their votes won't count? And how does that make this "not unauthorized" as you stated above? It seems unauthorized to me.

          • There would be no point in setting up a fake polling station….the idea is to get the vote out, not waste a day playing games.

            It's a special ballot, and perfectly valid.

        • that whole letter is disingenuous – pseudo-quotes from the lawyers version of telecons.
          – it is just smoke and mirrors to deflect the story away from the Con-thugs.

        • Where did the Elections Canada boxes come from ? Why were they sent if it wasn't authorized to begin with?

        • It wasn't a polling station at all. It was a special ballot collection.

          • Ah, I see. I didn't quite understand that part of the story: Special ballot collection versus polling station.

            It'll be interesting to see what Elections Canada has to say about the Tory press release.

          • I'm guessing if they could, they'd call Elections Canada undemocratic. Who hate our troops. And who won't get their income splitting come the Mayan updated calendar in 2015…

          • No fault of yours, that was what the CPC intended.

  16. It's not unauthorized…be serious.

  17. Harper then stated that the entire 2011 election was not authorized and would be considered "a mere suggestion, rather than binding" if it did not return a CPC majority, or resulted in fewer seats for the governing party. "Allow me to be clear", he said, while staring directly into the eyes of all Canadians.

  18. Was it an authorized polling station? If so, the Tories could be in a lot of trouble.

    Their press release states Pierre Boutet of Elections Canada informed our legal counsel that the Guelph poll was not authorized by Elections Canada.

    Was this part of the press release inaccurate?

  19. Harper then stated that the entire 2011 election was not authorized and would be considered "a mere suggestion, rather than binding" if it did not return a CPC majority, or resulted in fewer seats for the governing party. "Allow me to be clear", he said, while staring directly into the eyes of all Canadians.

    • Mike T wins the thread.

    • Priceless! Best post of the day!

  20. Emily,
    Have you worked at a polling station? If you had, you would know the rules. The comment such as the one above illustrates your lack of depth in many of your statements.

  21. Parties in Parliament get into squabbles over costing of future programs all the time. If it's such a big deal, why does nobody ever talk about it anymore? Why do they focus on stupid non-stories like the one at the University of Guelph? You feel this fourth $300 million election in seven years is completely justified. I doubt voters agree with you, and the campaign so far has revealed that, hasn't it.

  22. Given that we have a hard time getting young people to vote, it's too bad we're having shut down polling stations. Sounded like some students waited a couple hours to vote. It's too bad those votes might not count. I don't blame the Conservatives, and I wholeheartedly agree the rules should be followed and enforced… but it still sucks.

  23. Given that we have a hard time getting young people to vote, it's too bad we're having shut down polling stations. Sounded like some students waited a couple hours to vote. It's too bad those votes might not count. I don't blame the Conservatives, and I wholeheartedly agree the rules should be followed and enforced… but it still sucks.

    • I'm not sure yet the rules have not been adhered to. I hope you will understand my reluctance to take things originating from any parties campaign headquarters at face value. I think best to wait to hear what Elections Canada has to say on the matter.

      • Then Harper will say that Elections Canada is merely indulging in partisan bickering.

        • It's NOT bickering. It's democracy!

          So sayeth the next pm of Canada!

      • Sure, but at times like this it would be nice to have a Prime Minister who obviously has no problem looking people in the face and telling preposterous, brazen lies.

      • Fair enough… I hope no rules were broken, and I hope the votes count.

    • Hey, if you don't like the fact that they were shut down, why don't you just start one of your own in your front yard? You can honk at cars as they pass by to get them to stop and vote.

      • That's a good idea! I've got some nice yellow and black crayons… I can print off some cool ballots on my computer…

        • Yeah, the ballots can look like this:

          [ ] LIBERAL (pick me! HERE! VOTE HERE! Liberals are awesome. Always. Everywhere. If you pick this one we'll send you a cheque in the mail.)
          [ ] ndp (you can't be serious, but at least it's better than anything below)
          [ ] cnsvt (No, I won't tell you what that abbreviation stands for. Don't bother even lookin at this option, are you a fascist or something?)
          [ ] whatever, there's a bunch of other parties you don't need to know about

  24. When your thug gets caught, lawyer-up and call him a scutineer.

  25. When your thug gets caught, lawyer-up and call him a scutineer.

  26. I have been a scutineer many times and know thuggery when I see it.

  27. Well you could set one up on your front lawn if you wanted to….but that certainly wouldn't get the votes counted.

    The idea is to get the votes out, not waste a day gathering votes you then can't get into the results.

  28. Oliver: sorry bout that low reading-comprehension score….

  29. remember:
    dear leader has "declined to comment on local campaigns"

  30. Yes, I have…and the only thing my comment illustrates is that Cons like you don't know how to behave….but when caught run like hell, lying all the way.

  31. ya, fight back against these Con-men who would like you to emulate the Zimbabwe electoral commission!

  32. that whole letter is disingenuous – pseudo-quotes from the lawyers version of telecons.
    – it is just smoke and mirrors to deflect the story away from the Con-thugs.

  33. When they state that their guy didn't touch the ballots or ballot box (or presumably made any attempt to), they are calling multiple witnesses liars. All, presumably, on the word of the person accused. Do they have any witnesses who can support their version of events?

  34. When they state that their guy didn't touch the ballots or ballot box (or presumably made any attempt to), they are calling multiple witnesses liars. All, presumably, on the word of the person accused. Do they have any witnesses who can support their version of events?

    • Friday, Tory spokesperson Ryan Sparrow neither confirmed nor denied Sona's presence on campus.

  35. Where did the Elections Canada boxes come from ? Why were they sent if it wasn't authorized to begin with?

  36. Special Ballot, people. NOT a polling station. You don't need Elections Canada permission to collect Special Ballots. You do for a polling station.

    So, when Mr. Grabthebox called EC, they said "Nope, no polling stations have been authorized" which was accurate. Mr. Grabthebox, unaware of voting regulations, went wacko. CPC, in an ongoing attempt to mute the youth vote (IPOD TAX!!!!) are tryingto sow confusion to discourage outher uni's from using this very clever vote collection method.

  37. You should never, ever try to steal a ballot box. Even one from a phony election. By all means record and report so that the votes won't be counted if they are illegitimate.

  38. Wait, was the last election (the third in 5 years) necessary? You know the one that Mr. Harper unilaterally called, proroguing parliament?

  39. Special Ballot, people. NOT a polling station. You don't need Elections Canada permission to collect Special Ballots. You do for a polling station.

    So, when Mr. Grabthebox called EC, they said "Nope, no polling stations have been authorized" which was accurate. Mr. Grabthebox, unaware of voting regulations, went wacko. CPC, in an ongoing attempt to mute the youth vote (IPOD TAX!!!!) are tryingto sow confusion to discourage outher uni's from using this very clever vote collection method.

  40. "Have you worked at a polling station?"

    This wasn't a polling station. Special Ballot. Do some reading.

  41. SInce 2004, Canadian voters have expressed no desire to see any party with a majority. Each election has resulted in a minority and Canadians expect the parties to cooperate on legislation and funding. The Conservatives have, instead, obstructed committee work, withheld information from MPs, refused to produce people and papers requested by Parliamentarians, called a snap election (nobody wanted), prorogued to avoid the scrutiny of the House (killing more than 60 of their own bills), been found to have violated the privilege of Parliament (detainee documents), been found in contempt of Parliament …

    Notice a pattern here? These aren't "stupid non-stories".

  42. I like elections. I like democracy. A shame you don't.

  43. "Was this part of the press release inaccurate? "

    Nope, just irrelavent. because it wasn't a polling station. It was a Special Ballot.

  44. No, an authorized special ballot collection. As pointed out below, if it was unauthorized, where would the Elections Canada ballot boxes and tape come from?

    To repeat: No polling station was authorized, true. This wasn't a polling station. It was a special ballot.

  45. It wasn't a polling station at all. It was a special ballot collection.

  46. If it's not authorized, I fail to see the point. Why are students waiting hours in line (as one commenter states) to cast a fake ballot? How does this get the votes out? Do the students realize their votes won't count? And how does that make this "not unauthorized" as you stated above? It seems unauthorized to me.

  47. It’s just like the Cons to come out with a completely different story to try to calm their base and confuse the facts. They’re pissed because students were coming out to vote en mass. They know besides all the slander news coverage and obviously skewed polling they’ve been getting; the grass roots movement has been hugely anti-Harper. People see right through his robotic bold face lies. People want change, and not the crazy right wing, birther, tea party change either.

  48. Voting on campus has it's own rules. I'm guessing the Cons don't know that. They better get their goons in line.

  49. There would be no point in setting up a fake polling station….the idea is to get the vote out, not waste a day playing games.

    It's a special ballot, and perfectly valid.

  50. It’s just like the Cons to come out with a completely different story to try to calm their base and confuse the facts. They’re pissed because students were coming out to vote en mass. They know besides all the slander news coverage and obviously skewed polling they’ve been getting; the grass roots movement has been hugely anti-Harper. People see right through his robotic bold face lies. People want change, and not the crazy right wing, birther, tea party change either.

    • I don't know about them being pissed and doing this on purpose because students were coming out en masse.

      That implies a level of competence we haven't yet seen a lot of evidence for. Far more likely is someone on the Chicken Party of Canda team spotted the special ballot collect, and went off half-cocked, without bothering to get the facts, as is the Chicken Party of Canada's standard operating procedure (act first, think later.. or not at all).

      Once that happened, then the war-room got involved, realized what actually happened and went into spin mode to try to distract people from the real story of CPC incompetence and bullying.

    • I have to ask… "birther"? Isn't that the wackos in the US who insist Obama wasn't born there? How does that apply here?

  51. Poopchutineer?

  52. I would say the Liberals probably were anxious to get as many students as possible to vote for their candidate before they left the campus for the summer and they may have skirted the rules as far as influencing voters near the poll by passing out Lib-propaganda and attempting to keep the Conservative scrutineer from doing his job, but I think you are a little over-the-top with the Zimbabwe reference.

  53. Ah, I see. I didn't quite understand that part of the story: Special ballot collection versus polling station.

    It'll be interesting to see what Elections Canada has to say about the Tory press release.

  54. Maybe not, since Harper only got an expanded minority mandate. And since when is calling an election an example of proroguing Parliament? Or do all elections involve prorogation. Seems like an odd characterization, if you ask me.

    The fact is, I believe the opposition has to justify this fourth $300 million election in seven years. They say democracy needs it, but the nonsense so far appears to contradict such claims, don't it?

  55. Mike T wins the thread.

  56. I'm not sure yet the rules have not been adhered to. I hope you will understand my reluctance to take things originating from any parties campaign headquarters at face value. I think best to wait to hear what Elections Canada has to say on the matter.

  57. I think voters are sick of these endless minorities and elections, and the nonsense during this campaign just proves that to me. It's been on nonsense story after another. Odd for an opposition and media who said this election was crucial to our democracy. I don't think anybody's buying it.

  58. I like democracies. The idea that frivolous elections reflect democracy is nonsense coming from opposition and media that are completely out of touch. And the polls are showing this, aren't they.

  59. Then Harper will say that Elections Canada is merely indulging in partisan bickering.

  60. No, first he called the unnecessary election. Soon after he prorogued Parliament like a coward because he was about to be booted out, having lost the confidence of the House of Commons.

  61. Special ballot collection for universities is like the red-headed stepchild nobody acknowledges at a dinner party. I'm always surprised that parties that want the youth vote don't do more to get these happening. I mean, the greens and ndp's should be publishing "how to" guides on facebook and twitter.

    Maybe that's why the CPC is sowing a bit of confusion, to discourage these from spreading? They have to have at least thought of that…

  62. "Odd for an opposition and media who said this election was crucial to our democracy. I don't think anybody's buying it."

    I'm sure you wish that leadership by popularity polls or popular acclimation were sufficient. Fortunately for the rest of us, actual elections are indeed required in a democracy.

  63. Again, elections are not frivolous and opinion polls are no substitute for voting.

  64. Not polls. Different rules. Special ballot collection

  65. Shhh, what are you doing bringing your fact-thingies and your whatchama-truths to this kind of thread?

    Is it possible that the ConBot lawyers specifically asked if it was an authorized polling station (knowing it wasn't a polling station at all), simply so they could spin the press release? ConBot lawyers wouldn't be so disingenuous and conniving, would they?

  66. Shhh, what are you doing bringing your fact-thingies and your whatchama-truths to this kind of thread?

    Is it possible that the ConBot lawyers specifically asked if it was an authorized polling station (knowing it wasn't a polling station at all), simply so they could spin the press release? ConBot lawyers wouldn't be so disingenuous and conniving, would they?

  67. So tell us more about these " Different rules " that you seem to infer that the special ballot collection can push aside.

  68. I find it amazing – maybe I shouldn't anymore – that the defence of this fourth $300 million election in seven years appears to be: Well, we hate Harper, but we're saying he did, it, too. Are you people serious? lol

    Regarding prorogation, I think Canadians thank God Harper was able to prevent that monstrosity of a coalition from grabbing power.

    Next.

  69. Sure, but at times like this it would be nice to have a Prime Minister who obviously has no problem looking people in the face and telling preposterous, brazen lies.

  70. To accept a Harper CON statement as 'fact' is to join a sea of lemmings seeking the best sunset view…

  71. Notice a pattern here? These aren't "stupid non-stories".

    unfortunately, the craigslist CONs are stupid non-story people…

  72. He's already provided you with a direct link further up the thread. Do you expect him to read the rules aloud to you?

  73. I'm guessing if they could, they'd call Elections Canada undemocratic. Who hate our troops. And who won't get their income splitting come the Mayan updated calendar in 2015…

  74. http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=med&…

    "While the initiative at the University of Guelph was not pre-authorized by the Chief Electoral Officer, the Canada Elections Act provides that electors may apply for and vote by special ballot. A special ballot coordinator, appointed by the local returning officer, oversaw the activities at the University of Guelph. All information at our disposal indicates that the votes were cast in a manner that respects the Canada Elections Act and are valid.

    Vote. Shape your world.

    Elections Canada is an independent body set up by Parliament."

  75. http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=med&…

    "While the initiative at the University of Guelph was not pre-authorized by the Chief Electoral Officer, the Canada Elections Act provides that electors may apply for and vote by special ballot. A special ballot coordinator, appointed by the local returning officer, oversaw the activities at the University of Guelph. All information at our disposal indicates that the votes were cast in a manner that respects the Canada Elections Act and are valid.

    Vote. Shape your world.

    Elections Canada is an independent body set up by Parliament."

  76. "In 2006, the Liberal Party successfully petitioned Elections Canada to quash an unauthorized poll set up on the University of Toronto campus by the Returning Officer in Trinity-Spadina."

    According to a detailed article from 2006, the Liberal Party called Elections Canada to ask about the legality of the poll–they didn't demand that it be quashed–and Elections Canada decided to cancel the poll before it happened. http://www.queensjournal.ca/story/2006-01-20/news

    "[Tom Allison, the Liberal campaign manager for Tony Ianno] said he contacted the Liberal party lawyer, who in turn contacted Elections Canada to find out under what authority the on-campus polls were being conducted. According to Allison, the lawyer was told that Elections Canada in Ottawa knew nothing about the arrangement, and that they called back the next day to say it had been cancelled.

    "Allison said it was Elections Canada, not the Liberal party, that had decided to close the polling stations.

    "'We didn't cancel anything, we didn't make any decision,' he said. 'Elections Canada is completely independent. They run elections, they make decisions.'

    "Diane Benson, media liaison for Elections Canada in Ottawa, said the decision made by Elections Canada was not politically motivated.

    "'Elections Canada would have acted on this no matter who had notified us,' she said.

    "Benson said the reason behind the cancellation of the polling stations is twofold.

    "First, because advance voting was taking place in standard polling stations and the returning officer was ensuring that students were being registered and added to the electoral list, Elections Canada deemed there was no need for the additional special ballot initiative that was planned, she said.

    "Also, Benson said, there was a risk that parties could canvass in the area where the polling was to be done.

    "'Canada's electoral law is very specific about where the voting can take place,' she said. 'The special ballot initiative [on U of T campus] would have taken place in an area where canvassing by candidates could also occur.'"

  77. "In 2006, the Liberal Party successfully petitioned Elections Canada to quash an unauthorized poll set up on the University of Toronto campus by the Returning Officer in Trinity-Spadina."

    According to a detailed article from 2006, the Liberal Party called Elections Canada to ask about the legality of the poll–they didn't demand that it be quashed–and Elections Canada decided to cancel the poll before it happened. http://www.queensjournal.ca/story/2006-01-20/news

    "[Tom Allison, the Liberal campaign manager for Tony Ianno] said he contacted the Liberal party lawyer, who in turn contacted Elections Canada to find out under what authority the on-campus polls were being conducted. According to Allison, the lawyer was told that Elections Canada in Ottawa knew nothing about the arrangement, and that they called back the next day to say it had been cancelled.

    "Allison said it was Elections Canada, not the Liberal party, that had decided to close the polling stations.

    "'We didn%E2%80%99t cancel anything, we didn%E2%80%99t make any decision,' he said. 'Elections Canada is completely independent. They run elections, they make decisions.'

    "Diane Benson, media liaison for Elections Canada in Ottawa, said the decision made by Elections Canada was not politically motivated.

    "'Elections Canada would have acted on this no matter who had notified us,' she said.

    "Benson said the reason behind the cancellation of the polling stations is twofold.

    "First, because advance voting was taking place in standard polling stations and the returning officer was ensuring that students were being registered and added to the electoral list, Elections Canada deemed there was no need for the additional special ballot initiative that was planned, she said.

    "Also, Benson said, there was a risk that parties could canvass in the area where the polling was to be done.

    "'Canada%E2%80%99s electoral law is very specific about where the voting can take place,' she said. 'The special ballot initiative [on U of T campus] would have taken place in an area where canvassing by candidates could also occur.'"

  78. "In 2006, the Liberal Party successfully petitioned Elections Canada to quash an unauthorized poll set up on the University of Toronto campus by the Returning Officer in Trinity-Spadina."

    According to a detailed article from 2006, the Liberal Party called Elections Canada to ask about the legality of the poll–they didn't demand that it be quashed–and Elections Canada decided to cancel the poll before it happened. http://www.queensjournal.ca/story/2006-01-20/news

    "[Tom Allison, the Liberal campaign manager for Tony Ianno] said he contacted the Liberal party lawyer, who in turn contacted Elections Canada to find out under what authority the on-campus polls were being conducted. According to Allison, the lawyer was told that Elections Canada in Ottawa knew nothing about the arrangement, and that they called back the next day to say it had been cancelled.

    "Allison said it was Elections Canada, not the Liberal party, that had decided to close the polling stations.

    "'We didn't cancel anything, we didn't make any decision,' he said. 'Elections Canada is completely independent. They run elections, they make decisions.'

    "Diane Benson, media liaison for Elections Canada in Ottawa, said the decision made by Elections Canada was not politically motivated.

    "'Elections Canada would have acted on this no matter who had notified us,' she said.

    "Benson said the reason behind the cancellation of the polling stations is twofold.

    "First, because advance voting was taking place in standard polling stations and the returning officer was ensuring that students were being registered and added to the electoral list, Elections Canada deemed there was no need for the additional special ballot initiative that was planned, she said.

    "Also, Benson said, there was a risk that parties could canvass in the area where the polling was to be done.

    "'Canada's electoral law is very specific about where the voting can take place,' she said. 'The special ballot initiative [on U of T campus] would have taken place in an area where canvassing by candidates could also occur.'"

  79. Given the reading comprehension Blue's displayed previously, it couldn't hurt.

  80. No fault of yours, that was what the CPC intended.

  81. That's great news! I would have felt really bad if 700 students, some who waited hours in line, had their votes denied. I am dubious of any "irregularities" which are only seen and reported by CPC officials because they have spread such an enormous amount of disinformation that it is almost impossible to unravel the truth from lies, unless one has input from some independent source as well. Since EC oversaw this process and deems it valid, I am happy to accept their judgement.

  82. That's great news! I would have felt really bad if 700 students, some who waited hours in line, had their votes denied. I am dubious of any "irregularities" which are only seen and reported by CPC officials because they have spread such an enormous amount of disinformation that it is almost impossible to unravel the truth from lies, unless one has input from some independent source as well. Since EC oversaw this process and deems it valid, I am happy to accept their judgement.

    • Since EC oversaw this process and deems it valid, I am happy to accept their judgement.

      I'd be even happier to see the provisions of the law that EC relied upon to deem this process valid. I am having a devil of a time finding them.

  83. Fair enough… I hope no rules were broken, and I hope the votes count.

  84. Rules regarding special ballots (from http://www.elections.ca/res/pub/ecdocs/EC10047_e….

    Voting by Special Ballot Under the Special Voting Rules
    Students can vote at the advance polls or at their polling station on election day. Alternatively,
    they can register and vote by special ballot. A student who wishes to vote by special ballot can
    register with Elections Canada or at any local Elections Canada office by completing an
    Application for Registration and Special Ballot and supplying satisfactory proof of identity and
    address. The completed application for registration must be received by a returning officer or
    Elections Canada in Ottawa no later than 6:00 p.m. on the Tuesday before election day.
    Once the application has been accepted, a special ballot voting kit is provided to the student. The
    student is responsible for completing the ballot and returning it by the deadline. If a student is
    voting in his or her electoral district, the completed ballot must be received at the local Elections
    Canada office in that electoral district no later than the close of polls on election day. If a student
    is voting away from his or her electoral district, the completed ballot must be received by
    Elections Canada in Ottawa no later than 6:00 p.m., Ottawa time, on election day.
    After a student applies and is registered to vote by special ballot, he or she cannot vote by any
    other means for that election.

    Special ballot kiosks on campus, where students could apply and vote at the same time, are not
    permitted. Other initiatives that offer an opportunity to distribute special ballot application forms
    only, however, are permitted, such as registration desks on campuses for short periods of time,
    outreach initiatives with student groups, etc.

  85. I don't know about them being pissed and doing this on purpose because students were coming out en masse.

    That implies a level of competence we haven't yet seen a lot of evidence for. Far more likely is someone on the Chicken Party of Canda team spotted the special ballot collect, and went off half-cocked, without bothering to get the facts, as is the Chicken Party of Canada's standard operating procedure (act first, think later.. or not at all).

    Once that happened, then the war-room got involved, realized what actually happened and went into spin mode to try to distract people from the real story of CPC incompetence and bullying.

  86. Rules regarding special ballots (from http://www.elections.ca/res/pub/ecdocs/EC10047_e….

    Voting by Special Ballot Under the Special Voting Rules
    Students can vote at the advance polls or at their polling station on election day. Alternatively,
    they can register and vote by special ballot. A student who wishes to vote by special ballot can
    register with Elections Canada or at any local Elections Canada office by completing an
    Application for Registration and Special Ballot and supplying satisfactory proof of identity and
    address. The completed application for registration must be received by a returning officer or
    Elections Canada in Ottawa no later than 6:00 p.m. on the Tuesday before election day.
    Once the application has been accepted, a special ballot voting kit is provided to the student. The
    student is responsible for completing the ballot and returning it by the deadline. If a student is
    voting in his or her electoral district, the completed ballot must be received at the local Elections
    Canada office in that electoral district no later than the close of polls on election day. If a student
    is voting away from his or her electoral district, the completed ballot must be received by
    Elections Canada in Ottawa no later than 6:00 p.m., Ottawa time, on election day.
    After a student applies and is registered to vote by special ballot, he or she cannot vote by any
    other means for that election.

    Special ballot kiosks on campus, where students could apply and vote at the same time, are not
    permitted. Other initiatives that offer an opportunity to distribute special ballot application forms
    only, however, are permitted, such as registration desks on campuses for short periods of time,
    outreach initiatives with student groups, etc.

    • The coolest part of this? Right after you posted it, Elections Canada said you're wrong. Timing, eh?

      • Who's wrong. These are Election Canada's own rules…verbatim!

      • The coolest part of this, VOP? AT1 is not wrong. You have just highlighted how Elections Canada is calling Elections Canada wrong. Thinking, eh?

    • Special ballot kiosks on campus, where students could apply and vote at the same time, are not
      permitted.

      (bolded text in original)
      And if that is what happened, then the whole thing should be disqualified, because rules are rules. But is that what happened?

  87. Note the silence on your last point there Amateur.

  88. Yes, elections are absolutely required for a democracy .But not four in seven years. We have a democratic constitution that ensures regular elections. The idea that we have to have them every day to have democracy is insane. We're having one now because the opposition wants to feel good about itself. Well, ain't that grand. I suspect the feeling will end on election night. That's when democracy will decide the merits of their decision to force us to the polls again.

  89. Yes, elections are absolutely required for a democracy .But not four in seven years. We have a democratic constitution that ensures regular elections. The idea that we have to have them every day to have democracy is insane. We're having one now because the opposition wants to feel good about itself. Well, ain't that grand. I suspect the feeling will end on election night. That's when democracy will decide the merits of their decision to force us to the polls again.

    • The opposition is down in the polls but you think they "forced" the election because they wanted to "feel good" ………Bizarre

      • They obviously thought the spotlight of an election would amplify their mudslinging. It might feel good. But, pretty soon, I suspect they'll come down to earth when they have to endure four more years of Harper. Just saying. Enjoy it while you can.

  90. Be ready for the spin. Election Canada is biased agains the Conservatives. They raided our offices, etc., etc.

  91. Be ready for the spin. Election Canada is biased agains the Conservatives. They raided our offices, etc., etc.

  92. So if we had an election every month, they wouldn't be frivolous? Who in the world are you people trying to kid?

  93. lol, well excuse me for having other things to do other than responding to nonsense right away. That you felt necessary to write this post of yours just confirms what I've been saying. Our opposition today has nothing but nonsense. Nothing. Sorry.

  94. Friday, Tory spokesperson Ryan Sparrow neither confirmed nor denied Sona's presence on campus.

  95. Friday, Tory spokesperson Ryan Sparrow neither confirmed nor denied Sona%E2%80%99s presence on campus.

  96. This is one of the dumbest issues ever. You cannot set up a polling booth at whim. You have to have advance permission, and you must comply with all of the necessary controls, whether it be the scrutineers, or the absence of advertisements.

    The fact that some people are making an issue out of this is absurd.

    I cannot set one up in my backyard, and neither can anyone else, and despite what the students think, they cannot break some very fundamental rules of a democracy.

  97. The opposition is down in the polls but you think they "forced" the election because they wanted to "feel good" ………Bizarre

  98. Hey, if you don't like the fact that they were shut down, why don't you just start one of your own in your front yard? You can honk at cars as they pass by to get them to stop and vote.

  99. no.

  100. I said that Elections Canada has to investigate to see if your Lib friends " skirted the rules as far as influencing voters near the poll by passing out Lib-Propaganda and attempting to keep the Conservative scrutineer from doing his job ".

    Very old Person says there are different rules for this Special Ballot Collection.

    I then asked to hear more about these Special and Different rules that would allow these antics that would appear to being excused because of the " Special Ballot ".

    The snarks from Jenn and Thwim are not helpful nor are they surprising.

  101. I accept your apology.

    Thanks.

  102. That's a good idea! I've got some nice yellow and black crayons… I can print off some cool ballots on my computer…

  103. Are you willfully ignoring the difference between a poll and a special ballot?

  104. Are you willfully ignoring the difference between a poll and a special ballot?

    • No. You are! Talk about projection!

      To vote by special ballot you use either mail or you go to the office of a returning officer. This was an advance polling station. And by all the evidence presented so far, it was not compliant with election rules.

      • Uh, no. A special ballot can be set up by applying to a returning officer. Special ballots (compete with boxes) are often set up on aboriginal reserves, military bases, in rural areas, in old folks homes and on campuses. Their purpose is to promote voting among populations who are underrepresented or who would have difficulty voting in their home district.

  105. So now you've gone from objecting to an election every couple of years (note that Stevie triggered two of the four — even ignoring his own fixed election date to do so — cuz he thought he had a cheap partisan advantage) to objecting to a fictional election every other month.

    Having lost the argument and confused popularity with democratic process, you now choose to put forward an absurdity that is not occurring and has nothing to do with reality.

    And then you accuse me of spouting nonsense?

    You need help, sir.

  106. Well, so much for the polling station I was going to set up in my front yard, then.

  107. Well, so much for the polling station I was going to set up in my front yard, then.

    • Be entrepreneurial! Have a lemonade stand next to the polling station.

      • Way ahead of you. People would have to buy lemonade if they wanted to vote. Elections Canada would sign off on that, right? Sure they would. I'm just gonna run with it.

        • Tint the lemonade red. Pour it liberally to your customers/voters. Make sure there's a maple leaf on the cups.

          • He could have one line with blue cups, and one line with red cups, and it would be like stealth voting.

            (And if anyone asks for an orange cup you call them a socialist and send them home.)

  108. They obviously thought the spotlight of an election would amplify their mudslinging. It might feel good. But, pretty soon, I suspect they'll come down to earth when they have to endure four more years of Harper. Just saying. Enjoy it while you can.

  109. Very lame, dude. This is all you people have? This is why we need a fourth $300 million election in seven years, is it? lol

  110. I haven't changed anything. You argued that any election is good for democracy. I pointed out the absurdity of that position. Nobody is buying this nonsense from the opposition. Nobody.

  111. Be entrepreneurial! Have a lemonade stand next to the polling station.

  112. Yeah, the ballots can look like this:

    [ ] LIBERAL (pick me! HERE! VOTE HERE! Liberals are awesome. Always. Everywhere. If you pick this one we'll send you a cheque in the mail.)
    [ ] ndp (you can't be serious, but at least it's better than anything below)
    [ ] cnsvt (No, I won't tell you what that abbreviation stands for. Don't bother even lookin at this option, are you a fascist or something?)
    [ ] whatever, there's a bunch of other parties you don't need to know about

  113. No. You are! Talk about projection!

    To vote by special ballot you use either mail or you go to the office of a returning officer. This was an advance polling station. And by all the evidence presented so far, it was not compliant with election rules.

  114. Holy crap… do you have access to my computer somehow?

    Those pictures of Michael Ignatieff with his shirt off are NOT MINE. I don't know how they got there.

  115. Way ahead of you. People would have to buy lemonade if they wanted to vote. Elections Canada would sign off on that, right? Sure they would. I'm just gonna run with it.

  116. The coolest part of this? Right after you posted it, Elections Canada said you're wrong. Timing, eh?

  117. Except, I suppose, the 2/3 of the population who don't support your side.

  118. It's NOT bickering. It's democracy!

    So sayeth the next pm of Canada!

  119. Uh, no. A special ballot can be set up by applying to a returning officer. Special ballots (compete with boxes) are often set up on aboriginal reserves, military bases, in rural areas, in old folks homes and on campuses. Their purpose is to promote voting among populations who are underrepresented or who would have difficulty voting in their home district.

  120. Tint the lemonade red. Pour it liberally to your customers/voters. Make sure there's a maple leaf on the cups.

  121. Where do you opposition supporters get this stuff? Out of your butts?

    This poll says Canadians didn't want this election.

    This poll says Canadians want a majority government.

    Next.

  122. No, I can say "Stay classy, San Diego" and mean it.

    Because I live in San Diego.

    That's why I'm called SanDiegoDave. Otherwise if I was still in Peterborough, I'd be PeterboroDave and I'd have so say "Stay classy Peterborough" and that sounds stupid.

  123. btw, I hear San Diego is a great city. Always wanted to visit there. Was a big fan of the show Simon and Simon. lol

  124. btw, I hear San Diego is a great city. Always wanted to visit there. Was a big fan of the show Simon and Simon. lol

  125. Apparently the languge filter didn't like something I wrote, so I'll try again:

    The "Well, they did it first" line is the CPC's motto. Are you upset about copyright infringement?

    Since you keep harping on about this election and its cost: The 2008 election cost just as much, and was called on much flimsier grounds by Mr Harper ("I don't like them; they have the gall to question me as if I have to answer to Parliament or something. I'll show them! I'm sure the Canadian people worship me as a god by now; I'll just go grab my majority!").

    And this despite the fact that he had to ignore the elections law he pushed through Parliament in order to do so.

    So, Dennis, when the CPC and its supporters refund us taxpayers for that completely unnecessary election, you then may have grounds to complain about this one. Otherwise, clam up and show a little respect for a tradition the rest of us know and love: democracy.

  126. Apparently the languge filter didn't like something I wrote, so I'll try again:

    The "Well, they did it first" line is the CPC's motto. Are you upset about copyright infringement?

    Since you keep harping on about this election and its cost: The 2008 election cost just as much, and was called on much flimsier grounds by Mr Harper ("I don't like them; they have the gall to question me as if I have to answer to Parliament or something. I'll show them! I'm sure the Canadian people worship me as a god by now; I'll just go grab my majority!").

    And this despite the fact that he had to ignore the elections law he pushed through Parliament in order to do so.

    So, Dennis, when the CPC and its supporters refund us taxpayers for that completely unnecessary election, you then may have grounds to complain about this one. Otherwise, clam up and show a little respect for a tradition the rest of us know and love: democracy.

    • To be quite honest, I'm somewhat stunned at the quality of the arguments presented by people on here, especially by those who consider themselves well educated and such. Questions over the justification of the last election have exactly what to do with this election?

      So, if a voter comes to an opposition MP or supporter and asks: "Why are we having this fourth $300 million election in the last seven years?" Your answer is: "Because Harper forced an unnecessary election the last time?" Really? Some of you really think this argument works in your favour, does it? Or that it's a good argument at all?

      It's knee-jerk, just like almost all of the egg throwing directed towards the current government. We're having our fourth $300 million election in seven years so that the opposition can take the egg-throwing to an all new high? Really?

      • Actually, you said: "I believe the opposition has to justify this fourth $300 million election in seven years."

        Which is why people are pointing out to you that the last election was completely unjustified and held at the behest of Stephen Harper.

        Maybe you wouldn't be so stunned if you read the arguments actually being made here.

        • So then you agree that this election is unjustified? Is that why some of you Gomers keep distorting the last election for reasons only you can figure out?

          • You ignored what I wrote and drew a conclusion completely unrelated to what I said.

            And you call me Gomer? Sheesh.

          • How in the world did I distort it? You say the last election was unjustified. Even if it was, SO WHAT?

            Maybe you're finally beginning to realize just how stupid this argument of yours is?

          • You're still stunned. Take your time.

          • You can't explain it. Thank you. Next.

          • "You can't explain it. Daaar…."

            Fixed that for you.

          • Putt him on ignore, TJ. He's likely one of the craigslist crowd and gets paid by the character. Making sense is clearly not a requisite to getting paid.

      • I'd try to explain the why to you Denn, but it's been amply demonstrated that you are incapable of understanding it. So now I'm just focussing on demonstrating why your "4 in 7" meme is so utterly stupid. Figure out how to justify the 2008 "3 in 5" before applying the "4 in 7"; if you can't justify it, then you're a complete hypocrite for trying to argue that this one is unnecessary.

        • You said my statement was "stupid" yet here you are continuing with this stupid line of argumentation. lol. Again, what in the world does the last election have to do with the justification for this one? Are you even educated? Can you even think on your own feet? lol. This is getting ridiculous what passes for debate on here.

          For the sake of argument, let's say the last election was completely unjustified. So?

          lol. Next.

  127. I like the cut of your jib.

  128. I like the cut of your jib.

  129. Well, see, we wouldn't be on our fourth election if the CPC hadn't called that completely pointless one in 2008. Can we get a refund?

  130. Only poll that counts is the one on May 2.

    PLEASE go away until then.

  131. To be quite honest, I'm somewhat stunned at the quality of the arguments presented by people on here, especially by those who consider themselves well educated and such. Questions over the justification of the last election have exactly what to do with this election?

    So, if a voter comes to an opposition MP or supporter and asks: "Why are we having this fourth $300 million election in the last seven years?" Your answer is: "Because Harper forced an unnecessary election the last time?" Really? Some of you really think this argument works in your favour, does it? Or that it's a good argument at all?

    It's knee-jerk, just like almost all of the egg throwing directed towards the current government. We're having our fourth $300 million election in seven years so that the opposition can take the egg-throwing to an all new high? Really?

  132. This is where you learn to write essays without research or facts.

  133. Priceless! Best post of the day!

  134. I think you're confusing Iggy Pop with our Iggy; happens all the time. I hear the CPC was all out of sorts last week because they thought they had another attack ad in the works – Iggy shirtless on American Idol. There were a lot of tears when they realized their confusion…

  135. I think you're confusing Iggy Pop with our Iggy; happens all the time. I hear the CPC was all out of sorts last week because they thought they had another attack ad in the works – Iggy shirtless on American Idol. There were a lot of tears when they realized their confusion…

  136. Some of you are unbelievable. You claim to support democracy and debate, yet here you are trying to shout away people who expose the weakness of your claim to govern. How in the world can you claim to care about anything except your own way, and how can that possibly be considered democratic? My goodness.

  137. You might want to learn how to write a coherent sentence. lol

  138. a) Canadians decide if elections are necessary. They decided that last time. What is it about these basic facts that some of you Gomers don't understand?

    b) You say you respect democracy, but you want a refund from a democratic election? My God? Who are you people, and why are you forcing this election on us?

  139. I have to ask… "birther"? Isn't that the wackos in the US who insist Obama wasn't born there? How does that apply here?

  140. Special ballot kiosks on campus, where students could apply and vote at the same time, are not
    permitted.

    (bolded text in original)
    And if that is what happened, then the whole thing should be disqualified, because rules are rules. But is that what happened?

  141. Actually, you said: "I believe the opposition has to justify this fourth $300 million election in seven years."

    Which is why people are pointing out to you that the last election was completely unjustified and held at the behest of Stephen Harper.

    Maybe you wouldn't be so stunned if you read the arguments actually being made here.

  142. I'd try to explain the why to you Denn, but it's been amply demonstrated that you are incapable of understanding it. So now I'm just focussing on demonstrating why your "4 in 7" meme is so utterly stupid. Figure out how to justify the 2008 "3 in 5" before applying the "4 in 7"; if you can't justify it, then you're a complete hypocrite for trying to argue that this one is unnecessary.

  143. I get it – you're playing Calvinball! The rules change moment to moment as required to make your arguments sound coherent in that moment.

  144. a) "They decided that last time." Judging by the low voter turnout, I'd say a good many thought it quite unnecessary. Let's see how the numbers compare this time.

    b) Just saying… you're griping about the cost of this election, but apparently think it's a worthwhile expense if YOUR party brings about a premature end to Parliament. So if the cost of this one is so offensive to CPC supporters, they ought to put their money where their mouth is and cough up for the one the rest of us thought was unnecessary.

    But anyway, enough of this fooloshness; "Emily on acid"; you clearly have no real point to make and just want to bait the opposition, so I'm putting you on ignore again.

  145. You said my statement was "stupid" yet here you are continuing with this stupid line of argumentation. lol. Again, what in the world does the last election have to do with the justification for this one? Are you even educated? Can you even think on your own feet? lol. This is getting ridiculous what passes for debate on here.

    For the sake of argument, let's say the last election was completely unjustified. So?

    lol. Next.

  146. Who's wrong. These are Election Canada's own rules…verbatim!

  147. "The Marty Burke campaign states that none of its workers or volunteers interfered with the process; in particular, none of its workers or volunteers touched a ballot box or ballot."

    According to the local paper, the Conservative party operative is accused of "reaching" for the box. Pretty sleazy to loudly deny that he didn't touch it, as though that made everything ok.

  148. So then you agree that this election is unjustified? Is that why some of you Gomers keep distorting the last election for reasons only you can figure out?

  149. "The Marty Burke campaign states that none of its workers or volunteers interfered with the process; in particular, none of its workers or volunteers touched a ballot box or ballot."

    According to the local paper, the Conservative party operative is accused of "reaching" for the box. Pretty sleazy to loudly deny that he didn't touch it, as though that made everything ok.

  150. In other words, you didn't have a substantive rebuttal, so you engaged in this knee-jerk nonsense – just like much of what the opposition is doing during this fourth $300 million election in seven years. Thanks.

  151. You ignored what I wrote and drew a conclusion completely unrelated to what I said.

    And you call me Gomer? Sheesh.

  152. WHEN HAVE I PERSONALLY COMMENTED ON MERITS OF HAVING THE LAST ELECTION, GOMERS??

    WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THIS ELECTION, GOMERS!

    Holy cow. Are some of you just stupid? Zealots? What?

  153. How in the world did I distort it? You say the last election was unjustified. Even if it was, SO WHAT?

    Maybe you're finally beginning to realize just how stupid this argument of yours is?

  154. You're still stunned. Take your time.

  155. A substantive rebuttal is meaningless when your opponent is playing Calvinball. Keep moving those goalposts!

  156. Slow down, think it through. You've said over and over that four elections in seven years are the fault of the opposition.

    Obviously some people feel that the '08 election was unnecessary, and there's no denying that Stephen Harper alone made it happen.

    There! That wasn't so hard. Kumbaya, Dennis_F, kumbaya.

  157. You can't explain it. Thank you. Next.

  158. You just can't explain it. This is why we're having our fourth $300 million election in seven years, is it? lol. Next.

  159. Every time you write "4 in 7" you are directly commenting on the 2006 and 2008 elections which were forced upon Canadians by Stephen Harper before the 5 year mandate (well, I guess four on that second one) of a sitting Parliament was up. If you can't understand that, you are really out of your depth here.

    Next?

  160. AGAIN: WHAT DOES 2008 HAVE TO DO WITH 2011, GOMER??

    Are you stupid? Seriously. lol

  161. When I am talking about the FOURTH election in seven years, I am talking bout the FOURTH election in seven years. Not the FIRST, not the SECOND, not the THIRD, but the FOURTH. lol

    Honestly, if you're too stupid to understand grade school logic like this, why come on here? Why expose your own stupidity and desperation? lol

  162. "WHAT DOES 2008 HAVE TO DO WITH 2011, GOMER??"

    Me: "You've said over and over that four elections in seven years are the fault of the opposition."

    Stupid is as stupid does, gomer. lol/next/etc.

  163. Dennis_F has lost Cats, who tidily explains what's going on here.

    Well done Cats! Though I'm afraid there's no getting through Dennis_F's Reality Protection Mental State.

  164. "You can't explain it. Daaar…."

    Fixed that for you.

  165. I keep saying this opposition forced the FOURTH election in seven years, right? Not the THIRD, not the SECOND, not the FIRST.

    Finally got it? lol. Didn't think so. Duh. Next.

  166. Putt him on ignore, TJ. He's likely one of the craigslist crowd and gets paid by the character. Making sense is clearly not a requisite to getting paid.

  167. U mad? lol

  168. It's a satisfying form of schadenfreude, savoring the irony of Dennis using CAPS LOCK at the same time as accusing someone else of desperation.

    Rich, thick, creamy irony.

  169. He could have one line with blue cups, and one line with red cups, and it would be like stealth voting.

    (And if anyone asks for an orange cup you call them a socialist and send them home.)

  170. The coolest part of this, VOP? AT1 is not wrong. You have just highlighted how Elections Canada is calling Elections Canada wrong. Thinking, eh?

  171. Number two story on the National tonight. Unfortunately, Terry Milewski (sp?) failed to mention a few things:
    1. WHY the Conservatives objected to the polling station
    2. The fact that Elections Canada admitted the station was NOT pre-authorized.
    3. The fact that the Liberals have done the EXACT same thing.

    But he took at face value the accusation of the Con staffer PHYSICALLY trying to take the ballot box away. And just to top it off, he made it sound like the guy did it on Harper's direct orders.

    It's like CBC has decided to go for broke now that Sun TV's almost here.

  172. Number two story on the National tonight. Unfortunately, Terry Milewski (sp?) failed to mention a few things:
    1. WHY the Conservatives objected to the polling station
    2. The fact that Elections Canada admitted the station was NOT pre-authorized.
    3. The fact that the Liberals have done the EXACT same thing.

    But he took at face value the accusation of the Con staffer PHYSICALLY trying to take the ballot box away. And just to top it off, he made it sound like the guy did it on Harper's direct orders.

    It's like CBC has decided to go for broke now that Sun TV's almost here.

  173. Since EC oversaw this process and deems it valid, I am happy to accept their judgement.

    I'd be even happier to see the provisions of the law that EC relied upon to deem this process valid. I am having a devil of a time finding them.

  174. I have, and I have also been a scrutineer in ballot counting. Conservative scrutineers challenging every vote, trying to wear down the other parties' scrutineers. They were horrible bullies.

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