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Week Three


 

This is the week that was. Week One was recounted here. Week Two was recounted here.

The NDP tabled its election platform. The leaders debated in primetime. And agreed to build a bridge to Verdun. Muguette Paille’s vote loomed large.

Michael Ignatieff went shopping for a tub and called for an uprising.

Stephen Harper said it would be easy to cut $11-billion from the federal budget and claimed Canada for the Conservatives. He and Helena Guergis continued to disagree. Ethnically attired extras were invited to pose with the Prime Minister, while student votes in Guelph were challenged and then redeemed.

Canadian Press obtained the first draft of the Auditor General’s report on the G8-related spending in Tony Clement’s riding. The Conservatives leaked a second draft. John Baird lauded the symbolism of publicly funded toilets. Jack Layton asked for the final report to be released and everyone agreed, except the Auditor General, who decided it had to wait until Parliament returns.

The judges reviewing detainee documents decided nothing could be disclosed until Parliament reconvened. Rick Mercer talked about satire. Bob Rae talked about the Liberal-NDP accord in Ontario. Canadians explained what they would find acceptable from the next Parliament. The Conservatives misappropriated the Auditor General’s words. There was still more drama in little Vaughan. And I spent a day with Stephane Dion.

Ads, ads, adsads and more ads.

Mr. Harper promised to uphold supply management.

Mr. Ignatieff promised a Canada Service Corps.

Mr. Ignatieff continued to lead the race to be prime minister of Facebook.

Mark D. Jarvis explained how to fix Parliament. Johannes Wheeldon considered the lessons of prison debates. Alison Loat posed three questions for the party leaders. Mike Moffatt questioned post-dated promises. Adam Chapnik made a case for the per-vote subsidy. Frances Woolley ruminated on vote-swapping and pondered crime reduction. And, for all those readers who have long wondered about the sound of my voice, I talked about our parliamentary democracy on The Agenda.


 

Week Three

  1. Chretien, Dion, Martin on center stage.

    The latest attack ad claiming a Harper hidden agenda.

    A red book featuring a carbon tax, and promises of universal child care.

    I'm just waiting for a plume of mist with Michael J. Fox walking out of a silver Delorean on one of Iggy's campaign stages.

  2. Chretien, Dion, Martin on center stage.

    The latest attack ad claiming a Harper hidden agenda.

    A red book featuring a carbon tax, and promises of universal child care.

    I'm just waiting for a plume of mist with Michael J. Fox walking out of a silver Delorean on one of Iggy's campaign stages.

    • What 'hidden' agenda? Plain as the nose on his face.

    • Not enough that Michael J. Fox is suffering from a debilitating disease, eh Chet? As long as they are liberal, you can kick them, right?

  3. With Oda^NOT-ing, proroguing, Guergis-smearing, no eye-contact debating, F-35 fiscal wasting, detainee-doc stalling,

    I think a lot of people are coming over FROM the dark side. And liking it.

    We don't need this pleasant-faced Bashar Asad.

  4. With Oda^NOT-ing, proroguing, Guergis-smearing, no eye-contact debating, F-35 fiscal wasting, detainee-doc stalling,

    I think a lot of people are coming over FROM the dark side. And liking it.

    We don't need this pleasant-faced Bashar Asad.

    • Oda NOT-ing: Stupid move by her, I personally hope she's not back in cabinet. Heck, if she wasn't reelected that would be fine by me.

      Proroguing – oh yeah, the scandal of the prorogue, worst abuse of power ever! http://www.bloggingcanadians.ca/ConservativeBlogs

      Guergis-smearing – well, so says she. If the accusations against her are all lies, then that is indeed bad. As far as I can tell, the full story has not been told yet (though I readily admit I have not been following this one too closely)

      no eye-contact debating – the fact that you include this on your list goes a long way to undermine any credibility you may pretend to have on judging this PM's actions.

      F-35 fiscal wasting – hardly a consensus view. In fact, the only consensus view is that we need to replace our planes.

      detainee-doc stalling – yes again, some of us just take the view that this is hardly worthy of being labelled a dictator and hater of democracy and all that other stuff.

      And no, I'm not some apathetic loser who is brainwashed by Harper's great charisma. That's a common refrain of the anti-Harper crowd when they have nothing else constructive to say.

      • Harper's great charisma? LMAO

        • Like I always say: you can't have the brainwashin' if you don't got the charismata!

          • It's his border collie eyes – turns people into sheep.

      • When are you guys gonna realize this is not a comedy blog? It's OK though, you crack me up.

  5. What 'hidden' agenda? Plain as the nose on his face.

  6. Yes, what a week.
    Iggy finds a racist in his midst, fails to remove him.
    Iggy lies about voting in foreign elections.
    Iggy once condemns, then praises Guergis.
    Iggy hides his cap and trade policy.
    Iggy makes comments on leaked stolen report.
    Iggy resurrects "Hidden Agenda".
    Iggy channels Mao.
    Iggy's attendance record noticed by NDP.
    All that and more in one week, although you may have missed it after being distracted by something shiny,

  7. Yes, what a week.
    Iggy finds a racist in his midst, fails to remove him.
    Iggy lies about voting in foreign elections.
    Iggy once condemns, then praises Guergis.
    Iggy hides his cap and trade policy.
    Iggy makes comments on leaked stolen report.
    Iggy resurrects "Hidden Agenda".
    Iggy channels Mao.
    Iggy's attendance record noticed by NDP.
    All that and more in one week, although you may have missed it after being distracted by something shiny,

    • Look, it's one thing to oppose his policies, but don't make stuff up.

  8. Oda NOT-ing: Stupid move by her, I personally hope she's not back in cabinet. Heck, if she wasn't reelected that would be fine by me.

    Proroguing – oh yeah, the scandal of the prorogue, worst abuse of power ever! http://www.bloggingcanadians.ca/ConservativeBlogs

    Guergis-smearing – well, so says she. If the accusations against her are all lies, then that is indeed bad. As far as I can tell, the full story has not been told yet (though I readily admit I have not been following this one too closely)

    no eye-contact debating – the fact that you include this on your list goes a long way to undermine any credibility you may pretend to have on judging this PM's actions.

    F-35 fiscal wasting – hardly a consensus view. In fact, the only consensus view is that we need to replace our planes.

    detainee-doc stalling – yes again, some of us just take the view that this is hardly worthy of being labelled a dictator and hater of democracy and all that other stuff.

    And no, I'm not some apathetic loser who is brainwashed by Harper's great charisma. That's a common refrain of the anti-Harper crowd when they have nothing else constructive to say.

  9. Harper's great charisma? LMAO

  10. Not enough that Michael J. Fox is suffering from a debilitating disease, eh Chet? As long as they are liberal, you can kick them, right?

  11. Things are about to become far more vicious….I just hope Cons are less silly, and give up the lying.

  12. Things are about to become far more vicious….I just hope Cons are less silly, and give up the lying.

    • .I just hope Cons… give up the lying.

      LOL I still hope my Nortel stock will rebound.
      To be fair, the Cons did not invent lying as a political strategy.

  13. Not asked for but offered anyway … a couple of election-related sites that I
    find useful and interesting …
    http://www.cusjc.ca/

  14. Not asked for but offered anyway … a couple of election-related sites that I
    find useful and interesting …
    http://www.cusjc.ca/

  15. When are you guys gonna realize this is not a comedy blog? It's OK though, you crack me up.

  16. Look, it's one thing to oppose his policies, but don't make stuff up.

  17. Week Three Canadians RISE UP against the harper regime!
    RISE UP CANADA, RISE UP and defeat these anti-democratic, tax stealing, law breaking, citizen ejecting, ballot box grabbing, anti youth thugs! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBPOK9PIw-0&fe….

  18. Week Three Canadians RISE UP against the harper regime!
    RISE UP CANADA, RISE UP and defeat these anti-democratic, tax stealing, law breaking, citizen ejecting, ballot box grabbing, anti youth thugs! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBPOK9PIw-0&fe….

  19. Yeah, you have to be straight with Canadians about what you're going to do. That's why, in the Conservative platform, there's a section that says 'Why we think global warming is a liberal hoax.'

    Oh, wait.

  20. It's about time we have someone who truly knows what he's talking about when the subject of "undemocratic" ways is brought up. From a unique vantage point that not many in the democratic process can attest to.

    One who is able to LEAD BY EXAMPLE.

    The starting point was being annointed leader of a party who's elite politbureau refused to allow its members to vote for anyone else.

    From these important seeds sprouted a "leader" who would go on to miss the vast majority of those sacred "votes" on parliament,

    so that one day, he could truly appreciate what it is to speak of being "undemocratic", truly know what it means to show disrespect for parliament and the people that put him in office to vote on their behalf.

    So now,

    let us "rise up".

    Rise up!

    Rise up!!!!!

    And pay heed to the words of the man who truly knows from FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE what he's talking about.

  21. It's about time we have someone who truly knows what he's talking about when the subject of "undemocratic" ways is brought up. From a unique vantage point that not many in the democratic process can attest to.

    One who is able to LEAD BY EXAMPLE.

    The starting point was being annointed leader of a party who's elite politbureau refused to allow its members to vote for anyone else.

    From these important seeds sprouted a "leader" who would go on to miss the vast majority of those sacred "votes" on parliament,

    so that one day, he could truly appreciate what it is to speak of being "undemocratic", truly know what it means to show disrespect for parliament and the people that put him in office to vote on their behalf.

    So now,

    let us "rise up".

    Rise up!

    Rise up!!!!!

    And pay heed to the words of the man who truly knows from FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE what he's talking about.

    • And Harpers example would be…stab Peter McKay in the back, gain leadership by lying to his OWN members, lie to Canadians constantly, hire a criminal as your top advisor, hire republican strategists,… there's too many to list….. RISE UP CANADA, RISE UP AND REJECT HARPER

    • Aww look…you liked the thrust of Ignatieff's speech so much you are emulating it. Imitation IS the sincerest form of flattery!

      • And again… RISE UP CANADA, RISE UP

  22. I've just received word from the Liberal brass, on a point they wish to be be made abundantly clear on….for obvious reasons:

    Liberal party members are to

    Rise up.

    Rise up!!!

    Rise up!!!!

    Only AFTER the party elite has annointed their leaders without any of their input, and without any democratic process whatsoever.

    Once the rank and file Liberals have been told from above who will lead their party,

    They are then permitted to…

    Rise up.

    Rise up!!!!

    Rise up!!!!.

    The Liberal party elite would like to thank you for your attention in this matter.

  23. I've just received word from the Liberal brass, on a point they wish to be be made abundantly clear on….for obvious reasons:

    Liberal party members are to

    Rise up.

    Rise up!!!

    Rise up!!!!

    Only AFTER the party elite has annointed their leaders without any of their input, and without any democratic process whatsoever.

    Once the rank and file Liberals have been told from above who will lead their party,

    They are then permitted to…

    Rise up.

    Rise up!!!!

    Rise up!!!!.

    The Liberal party elite would like to thank you for your attention in this matter.

    • A least they don't kick people out of their rallies. Two more kicked out in Vancouver tonight. Apparently Stephen Harper's events are private. Talk about elite!

        • Yuo cite a Tory blog to elucidate the subject???!!??
          Lost all cred now for sure.

          • You are right. How absolutely silly of me to counter one rampantly partisan comment with another rampantly partisan comment. Geez, sorry everyone.

          • That depends…Was someone kicked out again…notice I say again!….from a Tory rally? There seems to be a devoloping pattern.
            anyway here is a news article on the subject.
            http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/213533

        • ? That seems to demonstrate exactly….nothing. Who cares about the partisan nature of the source? Fact is, it appears to be two tweets with no chronological link and an unsubstantiated claim, followed by harumphs and grumbles from the partisan commentariat.

  24. Like I always say: you can't have the brainwashin' if you don't got the charismata!

  25. RISE UP is better than Harpers 'Sit down and shut up'!!!

  26. RISE UP is better than Harpers 'Sit down and shut up'!!!

  27. And Harpers example would be…stab Peter McKay in the back, gain leadership by lying to his OWN members, lie to Canadians constantly, hire a criminal as your top advisor, hire republican strategists,… there's too many to list….. RISE UP CANADA, RISE UP AND REJECT HARPER

  28. I'd like to direct some questions to Mr Igantief that
    I feel a significant number of Canadians may want answered with two weeks to go in this campaign. (I'm sure somebody in the Liberal campaign will read this). Who are you? What are you doing here anyway? Who do you really work for? Are you American? Canadian? Russian? Were you elected by any of us? I mean, even dyed-in-the-wool Liberals and the media haven't asked you this. Are we some sort of social experiment that you are here to play with? What's the deal? Is it Cap and Trade for foreign interests? What? Speak up, we can't hear you. Otherwise, go home (wherever that is)!

  29. I'd like to direct some questions to Mr Igantief that
    I feel a significant number of Canadians may want answered with two weeks to go in this campaign. (I'm sure somebody in the Liberal campaign will read this). Who are you? What are you doing here anyway? Who do you really work for? Are you American? Canadian? Russian? Were you elected by any of us? I mean, even dyed-in-the-wool Liberals and the media haven't asked you this. Are we some sort of social experiment that you are here to play with? What's the deal? Is it Cap and Trade for foreign interests? What? Speak up, we can't hear you. Otherwise, go home (wherever that is)!

    • I always find it amazing that so many people are willing to display their ignorance in public like this.

      Apparently their google is broken too.

    • I can answer a few of them for you, since, as Emily points out, you seem to be having Google problems.

      Ignatieff is a Canadian (by birth) politician for the Liberal party. Elected in the riding of Etobicoke-Lakeshore twice now.

      The other questions mostly seem to be sponsored by Alcan, so I'd direct you to ask them for the answers you seek.

    • Actually to use your very questions I say this to Harper "Who are you? What are you doing here anyway? Who do you really work for?" his republican policies do not belong in Canada. He hires republican strategists, copies republican ads and speaches, meets with the Ex. Director of Fox News, and on and on. Who is the American here? Harper wins that one hands down. These are not allegations, they are facts. As far as your cap and trade for foreign interests question, it's cap and trade for humanity bud. Beats the sh*t out of Harper giving away our resources to foriegn interests. Canadian do not want Harper to 'Americanize' our country but you do not seam to have a problem with that! If you like and want American policies move to America.

  30. I always find it amazing that so many people are willing to display their ignorance in public like this.

    Apparently their google is broken too.

  31. A least they don't kick people out of their rallies. Two more kicked out in Vancouver tonight. Apparently Stephen Harper's events are private. Talk about elite!

  32. Why is Ignatieff channeling an American artist citing American cultural references? We have Canada's own Lorraine Segato and Parachute Club, whose anthem to rising up is equally stirring:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ25vb2cXKY

  33. Why is Ignatieff channeling an American artist citing American cultural references? We have Canada's own Lorraine Segato and Parachute Club, whose anthem to rising up is equally stirring:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ25vb2cXKY

    • You have a funny definition of "equally"

      Or maybe it's "stirring" that's giving you trouble, not sure.

      • So persuade me that Springsteen is more compelling or relevant in the current context.

    • That was amazing.

    • a) because no one's ever heard of them

      b) because not everybody is parochial

      • No one? Perhaps you might occasionally practice a habit of speaking for yourself, rather than as self-appointed matron of the wherryboards.

        And acknowledging one's cultural references is not necessarily a symptom of parochialism. It can also be evidence of being attuned to themes that accurately reflect one's time and place.

        • Ignatieff was speaking to a mainstream audience….and no they've never heard of them.

          It may be your cultural reference….but no one elses….and if that reflects your 'time and place'….I'm sorry to hear that….because they died in the 80s.

          • "Ignatieff was speaking to a mainstream audience….and no they've never heard of them."

            You would know that because you were there and asked them, no doubt.

            "It may be your cultural reference….but no one elses….and if that reflects your 'time and place'….I'm sorry to hear that….because they died in the 80s."

            Many would say Springsteen did, too. But I gather only the matron of the wherryboards is the arbiter of relevance.

          • brooster…take the chip on your shoulder somewhere else….it's tedious listening to the whining

          • I'm happy to desist.

            You and I are clearly on the same end of the political spectrum and yet, on the two recent occasions I've questioned Liberal judgment during this campaign, you've leapt to their defense.

            One of us is partisan and I know it ain't me.

          • No, we aren't on the same end of the political spectrum….I'm neither Liberal nor NDP

            I'm not Con or Green either for that matter

            I simply point out that Harper used 'Imagine'…a song from a British band that ended forever in 1980…..and was totally wrong for his party…because he was trying to reach boomers.

            Ignatieff did the same thing with Springsteen

            You end up complaining because Ignatieff didn't use your favorite band….a group the majority of people have never heard of

            And you completely forgot the message about democracy, and about making an effort to preserve it.

          • OK, so you're the arbiter of valid cultural references in political discourse. And you're not on any spectrum at all.

            And, speaking for myself, I have no lasting reverence for Parachute Club.

            And I had no idea this thread was about democracy or that you are the one who is carrying its flickering torch through its darkest night.

            Let's stop wasting bandwidth.

  34. It's his border collie eyes – turns people into sheep.

  35. I can answer a few of them for you, since, as Emily points out, you seem to be having Google problems.

    Ignatieff is a Canadian (by birth) politician for the Liberal party. Elected in the riding of Etobicoke-Lakeshore twice now.

    The other questions mostly seem to be sponsored by Alcan, so I'd direct you to ask them for the answers you seek.

  36. You have a funny definition of "equally"

    Or maybe it's "stirring" that's giving you trouble, not sure.

  37. That was amazing.

  38. a) because no one's ever heard of them

    b) because not everybody is parochial

  39. OK, I'm willing to switch. I'm willing to live in an Ignatieff imagined world.

    I will try and be happy to have my kids provided for in daycare

    I will try and be happy to have the goverment find me a job

    I will try and be happy to have the government save for my retirement

    I will try and be happy to receive money from the government to look after my aging mother.

    But where will it leave me?

    Where will I park my independent thoughts? Bury them deep, somewhere??

  40. OK, I'm willing to switch. I'm willing to live in an Ignatieff imagined world.

    I will try and be happy to have my kids provided for in daycare

    I will try and be happy to have the goverment find me a job

    I will try and be happy to have the government save for my retirement

    I will try and be happy to receive money from the government to look after my aging mother.

    But where will it leave me?

    Where will I park my independent thoughts? Bury them deep, somewhere??

    • Perhaps you should demonstrate having some first.

      • Give her credit where credit is due — she can spell his name correctly. That puts her in rare company on that side of the fence.

      • Having independent thoughts is my trade mark, and I consistently back them up with independent action:

        I have never applied, nor have I ever been handed a job provided by the government.

        I have never relied on daycare to look after my own kids

        When I reach retirement age, I will be able to survive without goverment pensions (and without company pensions also)

        When my aging mother needs me, I will be able to take the time off (unpaid) in order to tale care of her, as would other members of my family be able to do so. In fact, as family members we would be working in cooperation to look after my aging mother's needs.

        I don't need governments to look after me. But like I said, if anyone of you here can convince me to switch over to believing in Ignatieff's proposed provisions, please do so: convince me!

        • I have never applied nor have I ever been provided a government job.

          I have never relied on daycare to look after my own kids. I didn't expect a tax exemption to do so either. By the time Mulroney and Michael Wilson came about and made family allowances universally accessible as opposed to universal, the hubby could support our family. The family allowances were clawed back 100%. I never expected that taxpayers would salute our wealth by affording us tax exemptions to prove that we could support our family or money from the government to salute the fact that my husband is a high-earning professional who could well afford to maintain a wife and four children on one salary.

          We have paid for our four children`s sport activities, their arts classes without expecting a tax exemption. We are wealthy and could do this without the government's help.

          I am very close to retirement and if everything goes according to plan any contributions we have made to old age pension will be 100% clawed back, I am not bitter about this, and about the fact that what we have paid will go towards financing less fortunate Canadians' retirement; instead, I thank the Lord everyday for our health and our wealth and I am happy to contribute in the best way possible to help those who are less fortunate.

          So, is your point that Harper should be rewarded for increasing spending to buy middle class votes while cutting our taxes and leading future generations further into debt?

      • Thwim, I'm guessing that you're not a NP reader, but this particular point of view expressed in the FP today is really worth reading.

        Seriously, I would urge you and anyone else to read it. It is one of the better articles discussing the topic of individual choices which will have to be made.
        http://www.financialpost.com/news/anyone+save/462

    • "Where will I park my independent thoughts? Bury them deep, somewhere??"

      If your personality is fully integrated and free of mental disorder, you will be immune from thought control by the government of the day, the deity of your particular convictions, or aliens. I'm pretty sure of that (belief that one has lost the capacity for independent thought is often a symptom of schizophrenia).

      In addition, if you are able to pursue the livelihood of your choice, while free from concern about the happiness and safety of your children, as well as the care of your vulnerable elders, you may be free to a) make more money b) expand your potential c) fill in the blank

      Where is the downside here?

      • I am questioning specifically why the government should provide us with such freedom from concern.

        A truly independent individual would be proud to find such freedom from concern on an individual basis, coming about out of being a creative self, independent of government's promises to buy us freedom of concern with our own money. As an individual I would much prefer to spend my own earned money on being able to buy freedom from concern myself.

        Such could include the choice of having to make less money in order to take care of growing children. It's really all about the choices we make.

        • "A truly independent individual would be proud to find such freedom from concern on an individual basis, coming about out of being a creative self, independent of government's promises to buy us freedom of concern with our own money."

          I suspect that you wouldn't survive more than a few days (depending on the season) in such an environment.

          • Dare me!

          • Move to Somalia. No govt, no taxes, no laws.

            You can be completely independent.

            I dare you.

          • Emily, that's what I like so much about you: you never seem to be able to defend yourself on your own. You always come out of the woodworks when the path has been cleared for you. You like to ambush me when the path has been cleared by your compatriots.

            You are quite the little warrior. It gives me pleasure to see you jump out of the woods. No surprise element though. Why not put in some element of surprise next time. That would impress me!

          • I simply called your bluff.

            Now try to fold without looking stupid.

          • People made out of paper could fold easily enough.

            I'm not made out of paper.

          • You're still here…you folded.

          • Double dare me!

          • I double dog dare you with sprinkles on.

          • Ah, you're the cook! Does the fighting crew appreciate your cooking?

            Sprinkles, eh! I bet they are impressed with the desserts you serve! And well, why shouldn't they be impressed? Sprinkles add that caring touch.

            :)

          • Either take the dare, or vacate the field.

          • Oh, Emily, don't be cruel; I'm having too much fun!

            Grant me a little bit of fun.

          • You can have all the fun you want packing your bags.

            I'll have fun by not having to listen to your fantasies anymore.

            Win-win.

            Ciao

          • (pppssst, Emily…..I will say this very quietly, so no one else will be catching our little secret: you can have fun anytime you want to – no one is forcing you to read my posts – but wouldn't that be a loose-loose……. :))))

          • And what is not a secret is that you are origami by now.

          • It's funny that a Harper supporter would even mention 'independant thoughts'?

          • That's a totally silly challenge unless you're prepared to go off the grid and be totally self-sufficient from the government-supplied amenities you apparently take for granted.

            Come back with a grown-up argument or head for the woods.

          • Got your tummy full of deliciously sprinkled desserts? Good feeling, eh, a full tummy! Ready to do battle for another day.

            In order to fight an opponent succesfully, you will need to know your opponent. And you don't have a clue as to who I am or what I am capable of. Off the grid? Easy! Don't make me out to be a whimp!

          • FVerhoeven is now in major fail, and has vacated the field

            Either that or she's moving to Somalia

            Either way, we win.

          • Come on now, brooster2, who are you trying to fool?

            Governments have not invented electricity.

            Governments have not installed the grid either

            And governments do not have to tell me whether I should use the grid or not.

            Being an adult means that we should not take choices for granted, and above all, being an adult means we have nothing but choices to make. It's really that simple.

          • The grid you take for granted wouldn't be there without government support. Do some homework.

  41. No one? Perhaps you might occasionally practice a habit of speaking for yourself, rather than as self-appointed matron of the wherryboards.

    And acknowledging one's cultural references is not necessarily a symptom of parochialism. It can also be evidence of being attuned to themes that accurately reflect one's time and place.

  42. Perhaps you should demonstrate having some first.

  43. Ignatieff was speaking to a mainstream audience….and no they've never heard of them.

    It may be your cultural reference….but no one elses….and if that reflects your 'time and place'….I'm sorry to hear that….because they died in the 80s.

  44. So persuade me that Springsteen is more compelling or relevant in the current context.

  45. Attention Liberal supporters:

    Due to an large influx of queries relating to the call to "Rise up, Rise up, Rise up", the following is an important clarifying statement.

    At no time are you to "Rise up, Rise up, Rise up" if said rising up is in relation to a vote that is not for Mr. Ignatieff.

    Many of our right leaning voters have been inspired to "Rise Up" and vote for Mr. Harper, while many other left leaning Liberals have likewise signified a desire to change to the NDP. Be advised that to do so would be an innappropriate upward rise and that such actions are in no way sanctioned by the party.

    Given the confusion, the general call to "Rise up, Rise up, Rise up" is hereby retracted and henceforth replaced with simply "Vote Liberal". Or alternatively, "don't vote at all if you can't hold your nose and vote for Mr. Ignatieff."

    Thank you for your cooperation.

    The Liberal Guard

  46. Attention Liberal supporters:

    Due to an large influx of queries relating to the call to "Rise up, Rise up, Rise up", the following is an important clarifying statement.

    At no time are you to "Rise up, Rise up, Rise up" if said rising up is in relation to a vote that is not for Mr. Ignatieff.

    Many of our right leaning voters have been inspired to "Rise Up" and vote for Mr. Harper, while many other left leaning Liberals have likewise signified a desire to change to the NDP. Be advised that to do so would be an innappropriate upward rise and that such actions are in no way sanctioned by the party.

    Given the confusion, the general call to "Rise up, Rise up, Rise up" is hereby retracted and henceforth replaced with simply "Vote Liberal". Or alternatively, "don't vote at all if you can't hold your nose and vote for Mr. Ignatieff."

    Thank you for your cooperation.

    The Liberal Guard

    • The convincingly dictatorial tone of your satire makes me wonder if your IP tracks to the PMO.

    • :)))))

    • C'mon, chet, that's pretty lame. I'm here for free. Are you getting paid for this?

      • I'm here all week…..and try the veal.

        • Closest thing I've seen to a straight answer from him in a long time.

  47. "Ignatieff was speaking to a mainstream audience….and no they've never heard of them."

    You would know that because you were there and asked them, no doubt.

    "It may be your cultural reference….but no one elses….and if that reflects your 'time and place'….I'm sorry to hear that….because they died in the 80s."

    Many would say Springsteen did, too. But I gather only the matron of the wherryboards is the arbiter of relevance.

  48. brooster…take the chip on your shoulder somewhere else….it's tedious listening to the whining

  49. Give her credit where credit is due — she can spell his name correctly. That puts her in rare company on that side of the fence.

  50. The convincingly dictatorial tone of your satire makes me wonder if your IP tracks to the PMO.

  51. Having independent thoughts is my trade mark, and I consistently back them up with independent action:

    I have never applied, nor have I ever been handed a job provided by the government.

    I have never relied on daycare to look after my own kids

    When I reach retirement age, I will be able to survive without goverment pensions (and without company pensions also)

    When my aging mother needs me, I will be able to take the time off (unpaid) in order to tale care of her, as would other members of my family be able to do so. In fact, as family members we would be working in cooperation to look after my aging mother's needs.

    I don't need governments to look after me. But like I said, if anyone of you here can convince me to switch over to believing in Ignatieff's proposed provisions, please do so: convince me!

  52. I'm happy to desist.

    You and I are clearly on the same end of the political spectrum and yet, on the two recent occasions I've questioned Liberal judgment during this campaign, you've leapt to their defense.

    One of us is partisan and I know it ain't me.

  53. No, we aren't on the same end of the political spectrum….I'm neither Liberal nor NDP

    I'm not Con or Green either for that matter

    I simply point out that Harper used 'Imagine'…a song from a British band that ended forever in 1980…..and was totally wrong for his party…because he was trying to reach boomers.

    Ignatieff did the same thing with Springsteen

    You end up complaining because Ignatieff didn't use your favorite band….a group the majority of people have never heard of

    And you completely forgot the message about democracy, and about making an effort to preserve it.

  54. "Where will I park my independent thoughts? Bury them deep, somewhere??"

    If your personality is fully integrated and free of mental disorder, you will be immune from thought control by the government of the day, the deity of your particular convictions, or aliens. I'm pretty sure of that (belief that one has lost the capacity for independent thought is often a symptom of schizophrenia).

    In addition, if you are able to pursue the livelihood of your choice, while free from concern about the happiness and safety of your children, as well as the care of your vulnerable elders, you may be free to a) make more money b) expand your potential c) fill in the blank

    Where is the downside here?

  55. OK, so you're the arbiter of valid cultural references in political discourse. And you're not on any spectrum at all.

    And, speaking for myself, I have no lasting reverence for Parachute Club.

    And I had no idea this thread was about democracy or that you are the one who is carrying its flickering torch through its darkest night.

    Let's stop wasting bandwidth.

  56. I am questioning specifically why the government should provide us with such freedom from concern.

    A truly independent individual would be proud to find such freedom from concern on an individual basis, coming about out of being a creative self, independent of government's promises to buy us freedom of concern with our own money. As an individual I would much prefer to spend my own earned money on being able to buy freedom from concern myself.

    Such could include the choice of having to make less money in order to take care of growing children. It's really all about the choices we make.

  57. "A truly independent individual would be proud to find such freedom from concern on an individual basis, coming about out of being a creative self, independent of government's promises to buy us freedom of concern with our own money."

    I suspect that you wouldn't survive more than a few days (depending on the season) in such an environment.

  58. Thwim, I'm guessing that you're not a NP reader, but this particular point of view expressed in the FP today is really worth reading.

    Seriously, I would urge you and anyone else to read it. It is one of the better articles discussing the topic of individual choices which will have to be made.
    http://www.financialpost.com/news/anyone+save/462

  59. Dare me!

  60. :)))))

  61. Double dare me!

  62. Move to Somalia. No govt, no taxes, no laws.

    You can be completely independent.

    I dare you.

  63. Emily, that's what I like so much about you: you never seem to be able to defend yourself on your own. You always come out of the woodworks when the path has been cleared for you. You like to ambush me when the path has been cleared by your compatriots.

    You are quite the little warrior. It gives me pleasure to see you jump out of the woods. No surprise element though. Why not put in some element of surprise next time. That would impress me!

  64. I simply called your bluff.

    Now try to fold without looking stupid.

  65. I double dog dare you with sprinkles on.

  66. That's a totally silly challenge unless you're prepared to go off the grid and be totally self-sufficient from the government-supplied amenities you apparently take for granted.

    Come back with a grown-up argument or head for the woods.

  67. Ah, you're the cook! Does the fighting crew appreciate your cooking?

    Sprinkles, eh! I bet they are impressed with the desserts you serve! And well, why shouldn't they be impressed? Sprinkles add that caring touch.

    :)

  68. Either take the dare, or vacate the field.

  69. Got your tummy full of deliciously sprinkled desserts? Good feeling, eh, a full tummy! Ready to do battle for another day.

    In order to fight an opponent succesfully, you will need to know your opponent. And you don't have a clue as to who I am or what I am capable of. Off the grid? Easy! Don't make me out to be a whimp!

  70. FVerhoeven is now in major fail, and has vacated the field

    Either that or she's moving to Somalia

    Either way, we win.

  71. Oh, Emily, don't be cruel; I'm having too much fun!

    Grant me a little bit of fun.

  72. You can have all the fun you want packing your bags.

    I'll have fun by not having to listen to your fantasies anymore.

    Win-win.

    Ciao

  73. People made out of paper could fold easily enough.

    I'm not made out of paper.

  74. You're still here…you folded.

  75. (pppssst, Emily…..I will say this very quietly, so no one else will be catching our little secret: you can have fun anytime you want to – no one is forcing you to read my posts – but wouldn't that be a loose-loose……. :))))

  76. And what is not a secret is that you are origami by now.

  77. C'mon, chet, that's pretty lame. I'm here for free. Are you getting paid for this?

  78. Come on now, brooster2, who are you trying to fool?

    Governments have not invented electricity.

    Governments have not installed the grid either

    And governments do not have to tell me whether I should use the grid or not.

    Being an adult means that we should not take choices for granted, and above all, being an adult means we have nothing but choices to make. It's really that simple.

  79. The grid you take for granted wouldn't be there without government support. Do some homework.

  80. Yuo cite a Tory blog to elucidate the subject???!!??
    Lost all cred now for sure.

  81. You are right. How absolutely silly of me to counter one rampantly partisan comment with another rampantly partisan comment. Geez, sorry everyone.

  82. I'm here all week…..and try the veal.

  83. Aww look…you liked the thrust of Ignatieff's speech so much you are emulating it. Imitation IS the sincerest form of flattery!

  84. And again… RISE UP CANADA, RISE UP

  85. Actually to use your very questions I say this to Harper "Who are you? What are you doing here anyway? Who do you really work for?" his republican policies do not belong in Canada. He hires republican strategists, copies republican ads and speaches, meets with the Ex. Director of Fox News, and on and on. Who is the American here? Harper wins that one hands down. These are not allegations, they are facts. As far as your cap and trade for foreign interests question, it's cap and trade for humanity bud. Beats the sh*t out of Harper giving away our resources to foriegn interests. Canadian do not want Harper to 'Americanize' our country but you do not seam to have a problem with that! If you like and want American policies move to America.

  86. It's funny that a Harper supporter would even mention 'independant thoughts'?

  87. I have never applied nor have I ever been provided a government job.

    I have never relied on daycare to look after my own kids. I didn't expect a tax exemption to do so either. By the time Mulroney and Michael Wilson came about and made family allowances universally accessible as opposed to universal, the hubby could support our family. The family allowances were clawed back 100%. I never expected that taxpayers would salute our wealth by affording us tax exemptions to prove that we could support our family or money from the government to salute the fact that my husband is a high-earning professional who could well afford to maintain a wife and four children on one salary.

    We have paid for our four children`s sport activities, their arts classes without expecting a tax exemption. We are wealthy and could do this without the government's help.

    I am very close to retirement and if everything goes according to plan any contributions we have made to old age pension will be 100% clawed back, I am not bitter about this, and about the fact that what we have paid will go towards financing less fortunate Canadians' retirement; instead, I thank the Lord everyday for our health and our wealth and I am happy to contribute in the best way possible to help those who are less fortunate.

    So, is your point that Harper should be rewarded for increasing spending to buy middle class votes while cutting our taxes and leading future generations further into debt?

  88. .I just hope Cons… give up the lying.

    LOL I still hope my Nortel stock will rebound.
    To be fair, the Cons did not invent lying as a political strategy.

  89. ? That seems to demonstrate exactly….nothing. Who cares about the partisan nature of the source? Fact is, it appears to be two tweets with no chronological link and an unsubstantiated claim, followed by harumphs and grumbles from the partisan commentariat.

  90. Closest thing I've seen to a straight answer from him in a long time.

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