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What the House of Commons demanded


When the Harper government was found in contempt of Parliament a year ago, its breach had much to do with an order to produce documents that was moved by the finance committee. Much of the debate over that order and the Speaker’s ruling on that order concerned the cost of corporate tax cuts and the Harper government’s various crime bills. But within that the finance committee’s demand was a clause that dealt specifically with the F-35.

The committee also orders that the Government of Canada provide the committee with electronic copies of the following … All documents that outline acquisition costs, lifecycle costs, and operational requirements associated with the F-35 program and prior programs (CF-18). Such documents include but are not limited to the Selected Acquisition Report (SAR) and the report of the US Department of Defence’s Joint Estimating Team (JET) both relating to the F-35;

As the CBC noted last night, the phrase “lifecycle costs” would seem to be important.


What the House of Commons demanded

  1. How did that election that was fought over the contempt of Parliament charge go for the opposition?

    I would assume that the governing party must have been taught a lesson.

    Luckily we live in a democracy where the people get to have the final say.

    • Off topic wouldn’t you say?

      The government line today is that they didn’t mislead parliament because they were never asked for the full costs in parliament.

      This clearly proves them wrong; terribly wrong.

      • MacKay today claimed that this ‘full cost’ concept is something new that was introduced by the AG.  Of course Treasury Board guidelines require  it but…

      • I would say Dakota is very much on topic.
        Canadians gave the minority Conservative government a majority in the last election despite the opposition claiming they were in contempt.
        As a matter of fact Canadians punished the opposition for this desperate and reckless move.

        Face it. Most Canadians go about their day content that we have a capable government. The constant and petty whiners like yourself are fortunately a small minority.

        •  Most Canadians are getting tired of the government 37% of us deserve.

        •  I’d say that it’s pretty clear that most Canadians are not content and no longer believe that this is a capable government. It’s the constant lies and incompetence that lead thinking Canadians, left or right, to voice their opinions and demand better governance. That’s not whining, that’s democracy.

          • Okay. But how? This gov’t has already made it quite clear it doesn’t give a damn what you, or me, or anybody thinks so long as it doesn’t threaten their power. 

            Given that we’re still dealing with a FPTP system and a political landscape that consists of one right-wing party, and three or four non-right-wing parties, vote splitting alone pretty much ensures that nothing will.

          • You are such a whiner…..that damn democracy thing just means I don`t get what I want.

          • Actually, from the tax survey, democracy would seem to imply that I should be getting what I want.. just FPTP is getting in the way.

            You see, actual democracy would have majority governments voted in by a majority of the population, not merely a plurality.

        • The vast majority of Canadians voted for someone other than Harper and will continue to do so in the next election. He is not a leader that will ever inspire a true majority. His eerie Nixonian persona is familiar and recognized by too many and, within living memory, too many of us can recall other PM’s that gave us much better leadership. There is a rot in this group, already vaguely defined by the current scandals,  that will predictably accumulate until the defining scandal clearly reveals its gross and unacceptable pattern to the electorate. 

          • You are so fortunate that you live in country where good citizens elect such a capable government.

        • Winning a majority doesn’t excuse lying or failing to provide proper estimates on multi-billion dollar projects. Who in their right mind would even think that?

          We vote what, once every four years or so? On every issue under the sun?

          You can’t use that to suggest Canadians did or didn’t support specific issues, only that on the whole 39% of Canadians feel most comfortable with the CPC as government. That’s it that’s all.

          And frankly, in a system that awards majority governments to minority parties, they shouldn’t get a pass on anything in my books.

          This situation is typical of our system, exemplifying the problem: there can be no accountability to the public when parties only need to manipulate a subsect of society to rule.

    • Most Canadian voters voted against candidates representing the party that formed government. There is still a sufficient number of Canadians who accept that politicians lie to them openly about their spending taxpayer’s money and other matters.  

      We could say that we live in a democracy where voters who prefer dishonest policians got the final say.

      •  60% of voters (give or take one or 2 percentage points) voted against Jean Chretien’s Liberals in 3 federal elections that produced Liberal majorities. And said voters apparently saw nothing to get worked up about concerning

        So sadly, this is nothing new. The base of a party votes the party line pretty well regardless.

    • Your lack of shame over lying scumbags both amuses and saddens me.

  2. It’s just passing curious why the Pentagon has made public its calculations for the F-35 lifecycle costs, but the harper government can’t seem to read or grasp a simple financial statement from the PBO.

    •  It’s the gang who couldn’t spend straight.