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The real homegrown extremist: Donald Trump

Voters prefer Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton to handle terrorism. And it’s been a good week for fear.


 
Republican Presidential candidate Donald Trump speaks during a campaign event at the Saint Anselm College - New Hampshire Institute of Politics Auditorium in Manchester, NH on Monday June 13, 2016. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post/Getty Images)

Republican Presidential candidate Donald Trump speaks during a campaign event  June 13, 2016. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post/Getty Images)

Donald Trump can still surprise. A full year into his bid for the White House, after all the insults, not-so-veiled threats and intemperate vows—mass deportations, high border walls, enhanced tortures and expanded assassinations—he somehow finds fresh ground to scorch. And a way to make every debate and issue all about him.

This week’s attack on the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, which killed at least 49 and wounded at least 50 more, ranks as the deadliest mass shooting in modern American history. A combination hate-crime and act of terror, carried out by a mentally troubled, self-loathing, American-born Muslim man, it gives rise to all sorts of dark fears and justifiable concerns. But only a figure like Trump could find reason to revel in the mayhem and give himself licence to erase yet another set of social and political boundaries.

In the hours after Sunday’s massacre, which targeted a well-known gay and lesbian bar, Trump initially seemed to be playing by the familiar rule book for American gun tragedies; taking to social media to express horror, along with prayers for the victims and their families. But the self-restraint soon disappeared. “Appreciate the congrats for being right on radical Islamic terrorism,” he tweeted to his more than nine million followers a couple of hours later. “I want toughness & vigilance. We must be smart.” He followed it up with a call for Barack Obama to “resign in disgrace” for failing to characterize the attack as “radical Islamic” terrorism. (The U.S. President and other Democrats prefer terms like “jihadism,” seeking to draw a distinction between a violent ideology and the religion it claims as a cloak.) And by Monday morning, the soon-to-be Republican nominee was busy insinuating that Obama might not just be “soft” on the issue, but somehow complicit. “We’re led by a man that either is not tough, not smart, or he’s got something else in mind,” Trump told Fox News. “And the something else in mind, you know, people can’t believe it. People cannot—they cannot believe that President Obama is acting the ways he acts . . . There’s something going on. It’s inconceivable.”

President Barack Obama, along with Vice President Joe Biden, meets with his National Security Council, including FBI Director James Comey, Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson and National Counterterrorism Center Director Nick Rasmussen, at the Treasury Department June 14, 2016 in Washington, DC. President Obama received a briefing on the mass shooting at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Florida. The White House announced that Obama will visit Orlando on June 16. (Jim Lo Scalzo/Getty Images)

President Barack Obama receives a briefing on the mass shooting at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Florida. (Jim Lo Scalzo/Getty Images)

However, the Trump train really left the rails during his first address on the tragedy, at a campaign rally in Manchester, N.H., that afternoon. Standing before a blue backdrop and a pair of American flags, the billionaire’s prepared remarks—delivered, uncharacteristically, with the aid of Teleprompters—started off with a defence of diversity. “This is a very dark moment in America’s history,” he said. “It is an assault on the ability of free people to live their lives, love who they want and express their identity.” But Trump quickly returned to more familiar ground, renewing his call for a “temporary” ban on Muslim immigrants and visitors. And then he proposed to broaden its already mind-boggling scope—there are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world—to cover other parts of the globe “where there’s a proven history of terrorism against the United States, Europe and our allies.” Dancing around the fact that the Orlando shooter, 29-year-old Omar Mateen, was born in New York, he departed from his script, either by mistake or on purpose, and called him “Afghan.” Trump also suggested his ban should be retroactive. “The bottom line is that the only reason the killer was in America in the first place was because we allowed his family to come here,” he declared. “That is a fact, and it’s a fact we need to talk about. We have a dysfunctional immigration system which does not permit us to know who we let into our country, and it does not permit us to protect our citizens.”

Trump’s speech was rife with exaggerations and falsehoods, from the “tremendous flow of Syrian refugees” (1,285 were admitted over a six-month period ending in March) to his claim that there is “no system to vet” refugees—dismissing the multiple security checks by the United Nations and American agencies that take more than two years. But to date, his commitment to truthfulness and accuracy has hardly mattered. After coordinated attacks by Islamic State killed 129 in Paris last November, he blamed France’s strict gun-control laws. And following a mass shooting in San Bernardino, Calif., that left 14 dead, he claimed other Muslims knew about “bombs all over” but said nothing. On both occasions, his poll numbers went up versus his Republican challengers.

Presumptive Democratic nominee for president Hillary Clinton speaks to supporters at the International Brotherhood of Electric Workers Hall on Tuesday, June 14, 2016 in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. In the wake of the shooting in Orlando, Florida, Clinton is campaigning in Ohio and Pennsylvania to present her vision for a stronger and safer America. (Jeff Swensen/Getty Images)

Presumptive Democratic nominee for president Hillary Clinton at the International Brotherhood of Electric Workers Hall on Tuesday, June 14, 2016 in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. (Jeff Swensen/Getty Images)

This time, the stakes are higher. With four and a half months to go until the general election, Trump is trying to push the campaign onto his chosen battlefield. “Handling terrorism,” is one of the categories in which voters consistently rate the presumptive Republican nominee higher than his Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton—by 12 points, according to a Fox News poll last month, or four per cent, according to Gallup. And 15 years after Sept. 11, 2001, it remains a core issue at the ballot box, with 45 per cent of Americans ranking “national security” as the most decisive factor in whom they support for president.

What happened in Orlando was indisputably tragic and terrifying. But was it scary enough to propel Donald Trump to the White House?

In 240 years of American history and 57 elections, there has never been a presidential candidate like the Donald. He not only lacks the usual prerequisites, having never held public office, attended law school or served in the military­—Trump received four draft deferments during Vietnam, then was medically disqualified for foot problems—he also ignores all the other conventions.

David Zarefsky, a specialist in presidential rhetoric and U.S. public discourse at the Northwestern School of Communication in Illinois, says Trump’s nativist appeals to fear foreigners and religion have precedents—the schism within the Federalist party in 1800, the anti-Irish Know-Nothing movement of the 1850s and the backlash against Chinese and Slavic immigrants in the 1920s. But never before have they been put forth by a major-party candidate. “There’s been this sense of decorum that minor parties could violate, but major parties couldn’t. They strived to create the biggest tent possible.”

Related: Three hours of terror in Orlando

And in a country that has an unusual reverence for its highest office (if not the office’s holder), Trump displays few of the qualities that are usually described as “presidential.” “We like a certain sense of dignity and gravitas, someone who speaks carefully and preferably thinks first, and embodies a national spirit that unites, rather than divides,” says Zarefsky. “And so far, we haven’t seen that from Trump.”

Of course, that isn’t the only thing that will be different about the 2016 contest. Hillary Clinton, now all but guaranteed to wield the Democratic banner, will become the first female nominee for any major American party—96 years after the 19th amendment gave U.S. women the right to vote. A White House contest between 69-year-old Clinton and 70-year-old Trump will be the oldest matchup on record. And not coincidentally to either of those points, both candidates are historically unpopular. Clinton currently has an unfavourable rating of 56 per cent, according to RealClearPolitics polling averages, the second-highest ever for a presidential candidate, behind Trump at 59 per cent. And their net ratings—the percentage of voters who really like them, minus those who really loathe them—are both in the double-digit negatives; -20 for Clinton, -41 for Trump.

Yet all that antipathy doesn’t necessarily mean the November vote will be close. Trump’s poll numbers have been sinking back down to Earth since he wrapped up the Republican nomination late last month, while Clinton’s have been rising as the supporters of her last Democratic rival, Bernie Sanders, reluctantly move over to her camp. A Reuters/Ipsos weekly tracking poll, released in the wake of the Orlando attack, showed Clinton down two points, but still with an 11.6 per cent advantage over Trump. A Bloomberg News poll gave her a 12-point lead. And whatever grudges voters hold against the former first lady, senator and secretary of state, they don’t argue with her qualifications.

In fact, Clinton’s resumé has blunted the traditional Republican advantage on issues like national security and foreign policy. Aided in no small measure by Trump’s erratic performance on the hustings, which has included promises to tear up trade deals, rethink military alliances like NATO, sit down with the North Koreans and perhaps use nuclear weapons against Islamic State. “Foreign affairs has long been an area of strength for Republicans, an issue they’ve owned,” says Stephen Craig, director of the University of Florida’s political campaigning program. “But the catch is they’ve got this unbelievably undisciplined and ignorant candidate.”

Trump’s bullying style and off-the-cuff pronouncements play well with his core supporters, the economically displaced and politically disaffected, but they scare almost everyone else—including a lot of traditional Republicans. Craig, who has written books on popular discontent, says voter distrust and ambivalence about politics is growing, but he doubts it can be harnessed to win a general election. “Can you get elected riding the cynical wave? No, because people are pissed off for lots of different reasons,” he says. “And no tent is big enough to hold both Trump and Sanders supporters.”

Clinton has learned a thing or two about Trump, as demonstrated by her own considered and calibrated response to the Orlando shootings. In the hours after the billionaire attacked Obama for failing to talk about “radical Islam,” she made a point of using the phrase herself, and letting it be known that she has no time for “semantic games.” She also delivered her own sombre speech on the tragedy and the wider struggle. “The Orlando terrorist may be dead, but the virus that poisoned his mind remains very much alive,” she told an audience in Cleveland, Ohio. “And we must attack it with clear eyes, steady minds, unwavering determination and pride in our country and our values.” Clinton talked in detail about initiatives to disrupt the flow of arms, money and fighters to Islamic State, and improve intelligence gathering by strengthening foreign alliances. And she proposed “common-sense” gun-control measures, like banning people on the FBI terrorism watch list from buying weapons, and halting the sale of military assault rifles to the general public. (Trump opposes such steps.) “That may not stop every terrorist attack, but it will stop some, and it will save lives and it will protect our first responders,” she proclaimed to warm applause.

Related: Trump’s Orlando speech, translated

Clinton never mentioned Trump by name, but the distinctions she was drawing with her opponent were crystal clear. “As I look at American history, I see that this has always been a country of ‘we’ not ‘me,’ ” she said, paying tribute to the generations who have fought “to widen the circle of dignity and opportunity.” It all fit nicely with her first explicitly anti-Trump campaign message, released just a couple of days before the Orlando tragedy. The TV ad features footage of Trump talking about punching protestors and mocking a disabled New York Times reporter. “Today, we face a choice about who we are as a nation,” Clinton intones in the voice-over. “Do we help each other? Do we respect each other?” The ad’s tag line is “Stronger Together.”

Tom Nichols, a professor of national security affairs at the U.S. Naval War College in Newport, R.I., says that terrorist attacks—especially those on domestic soil—have helped Trump play the fear card. But he argues that whatever advantage he’s gained has been undermined by questions about his own suitability for high office. “A lot of Americans—including me—object to his temperament,” says Nichols, a former Senate aide. He’s one of 121 Republican “security leaders” who signed an open letter to Trump in March outlining their grave concerns about his beliefs and judgment. “His vision of American influence and power in the world is wildly inconsistent and unmoored in principle. He swings from isolationism to military adventurism within the space of one sentence,” it began. “Mr. Trump’s own statements lead us to conclude that as president, he would use the authority of his office to act in ways that make America less safe,” it concluded.

Nichols, whose new book, The Death of Expertise, will be released this winter, says Trump is the apotheosis of a worrying societal trend: “a Google-fuelled, Wikipedia-based, blog-sodden collapse of any division between professionals and laymen.” Facts, half-truths and full-on lies are all delivered with the same absolute and unshakable conviction, regardless of evidence. “Trump is the least self-aware person who ever walked through American politics,” says Nichols. “He’s a dysfunctional narcissist who is never wrong.”

Related: The Orlando shooting will change only one thing

The “Never Trump” movement within the Republican Party never quite got off the ground. But there are signs of a more passive form of resistance. Last week, Trump slashed his fundraising goal for the coming campaign, saying he doesn’t need to match the billion or more dollars that Clinton is expected to haul in. “I just don’t think I need nearly as much money as other people need because I get so much publicity. I get so many invitations to be on television. I get so many interviews, if I want them,” he told Bloomberg News. But that appears to have been an attempt to transform a negative into a positive, as Republican strategists are openly admitting that their nominee will struggle to hit the $300-million mark—a third of what Mitt Romney raised in 2012. A gathering of top party donors in Park City, Utah, last weekend, hosted by the former candidate, turned into a mini-mutiny, with Meg Whitman, the billionaire CEO of Hewlett-Packard, comparing Trump to Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini, according to a report by Politico. And another high-profile female Republican donor, Ana Navarro, called him a “racist,” “vulgarian” and “pig.”

During the primaries, Trump eschewed traditional organizing principles, putting his faith in his celebrity and media profile to bring out voters rather than canvassers and operatives on the ground. But his reluctance—or inability—to spend money is already showing in the general campaign. By the end of April, Clinton had 10 times as many salaried employes, 732 versus his 70, and Trump’s expenditures of $57 million were about a third of her $182 million. And as of last week, the billionaire still hadn’t hired state directors for battlegrounds like Ohio and Colorado.

In the wake of their 2012 drubbing at the hands of Barack Obama, the Republican Party commissioned a post-mortem. Not only did they put up a divisive and unlikeable candidate, the report found, but they were driving down a demographic dead end. Hispanic voters, who made up 10 per cent of the electorate in 2012, voted against Romney in massive numbers, with 71 per cent supporting Obama. And among African-Americans, who made up 13 per cent of the electorate, it was even more one-sided, with the Democrats taking 93 per cent of their votes. The only category that Romney carried was white men, 52 per cent to Obama’s 45 per cent. The consensus was that Republicans need to widen their base, desperately.

The 2016 electorate will be the most-diverse in U.S. history, with 31 per cent of voters being Asian, black, Hispanic or another minority. Yet under Trump, there is no indication that the party will make any advances at all. In fact, they might well go backwards. The demonization of Mexicans as criminals and rapists, along with the promise to build a border wall, isn’t going to bring in many Hispanics. Ditto for Muslims and the immigration ban. A recent NBC News poll found 86 per cent of African-Americans have a negative view of Trump.

But the billionaire’s success in driving out his vote for the Republican primaries has given rise to a new theory: that his plan is to push the Republicans over the finish line by running up its totals among the one group it reliably wins—working-class whites.

Sean Trende, an analyst for RealClearPolitics, looked at the exit-poll numbers and concluded that the biggest difference between George W. Bush’s 2004 victory and Romney’s 2012 loss was not increased diversity, but the millions of white people who stayed home—their turnout was 6.2 per cent below projections. Trende concluded that the people who didn’t get off the couch for Romney were “largely downscale, northern, rural whites. In other words, H. Ross Perot voters.” These people are also the types once known as Reagan Democrats: blue-collars who have been alienated on cultural issues. A patrician eastern elitist like Romney couldn’t appeal to them. But Trump, who shares their suspicion of immigration and free trade, is a different matter. “I think Trump has a visceral feel for these politics,” Trende told Maclean’s.

But even if he was to maximize the Republicans’ share of that angry, reality-TV-loving demographic, Trump will have a tough time forging a path to victory. “It’s pretty clear he’s running a campaign straight out of the 1970s New York ethnic Democrat/rust-belt Democrat playbook,” says Trende. “I’m just not sure he understands how much the country has changed.”

The complicated math that underpins America’s Electoral College system is also stacked against the Republicans. There are 19 states that the Democrats have carried for the past six elections. Throw in the District of Columbia and that totals 242 college votes, just 28 short of victory. Florida, where Clinton currently enjoys a slim lead, has 29 and could easily make her president.

Trump, on the other hand, has a much steeper climb. The 13 states that the Republicans have won since 1992 bring in just 102 college votes, meaning he needs to find 168 more in parts of the country like New Mexico, where Latinos make up 40 per cent of the electorate, or Arizona, where they are 22 per cent.

Trump’s gamble in focusing on terrorism and Muslim immigration is that he can leverage the fact that America’s makeup is changing. But it might well be a final hurrah. A 2015 study by a University of New Hampshire demographer found that while whites made up 62 per cent of the U.S. population, they accounted for 78 per cent of deaths. An aging white populace and falling birth rates mean that the current majority will be a minority within 30 years. Jane Junn, a professor of political science at the University of Southern California, who studies immigration and public opinion, says she thinks she understands Trump’s appeal. “People feel like they’re losing their dominance. They want it to be like it was 50 years ago, when whites were on top.”

Trump may well push buttons on immigration—it’s easy enough to manipulate opinions on the subject, says Junn, since the public knows little about government policy or how the system actually works. But in seeking to ban all Muslims simply on the basis of their religion, the billionaire has probably already gone too far. “The American people can be reactionary, but they’re serious about rights like religion and free expression,” says Junn. Might they overlook such constitutional concerns to elect Donald Trump as president? “We might be stupid, but we’re not that stupid,” she says.

Even after Orlando, the conventional wisdom remains that the November election is the Democrats’ to lose. “If their nominee was anyone but Hillary Clinton, the Trump candidacy would be over by now,” says the Naval War College’s Tom Nichols. “But Trump’s floor is set by the loathing people have for her.”


 

The real homegrown extremist: Donald Trump

  1. Every American needs to watch the film ‘Enemy of the State’ before they vote and figure out what it would mean to their lives if they unwittingly became one…all because of Trumps imagination and ‘your either for me or against me’ mentality.
    He has still to explain who is going to pick the fruit & veggies & man the lines of the meat plants & fill the gardening and maid positions once he deports millions of workers.

    • You try to link two points that don’t go together and fail, but good try. Trump is not against immigration – but he wants immigration controlled and to the benefit of Americans. That means NO ILLEGAL ALIENS! As in Canada there are lots of farm worker programs in the US and I suspect those people will continue to pick the fruits and veggies while they are legally able to work in the country. As for all the other illegals who provide rich people with gardeners and cleaners – most Americans don’t really care if some millionaire’s wife has to pay more for the ‘help’.

      As for his other point about immigration – clearly the US has problems with vetting immigrants from countries that are predominantly Muslim – the club shooter may not have been born in Afghanistan, but he saw himself first and foremost as an Afghan (when he stated my country he was talking about Afghanistan NOT America). So unlike other immigrants that have arrived for decades in the US and Canada and whose aim was to become Americans, Muslims seem to have problems accepting Western values and lifestyles (which speaking as a conservative is largely live and let live as long as I’m not forced to agree with you). And it is NOT because America is hostile to Muslims, but they are justifiably cautious of Muslims and Islam because wherever there is terror, Muslims seem to be in the middle of it! So it is only wise to connect the dots and say ‘maybe we need to hit the pause button and rethink immigration/refugees from Muslim countries, particularly when many Muslim countries seem uninterested in accepting Muslim refugees and put big restrictions on immigration. Maybe they know something that we don’t?

      • Very well said. I’m continually astounded at how many people, mostly from the left, who conflate illegal immigration with immigration. Canadians who look down their noses at conservative Americans who are concerned about the apparent unwillingness, especially among Democrats, to create a better functioning apparatus of sovereignty along the Mexican border would lose their minds if we were having 50,000 illegal immigrants from the US landing in Canada every year. I don’t know if it would cause more kerfuffle if they were Republicans or if they turned out to be criminals, however.
        I also find it unusual how so many liberals who are vehemently anti-Christian are also almost as vehemently pro-Islamic immigration. There seems to be either a serious disconnect here, or simply another agenda at work.

        • LOL name the ‘liberals’ who are ‘vehemently anti-christian. Or vehemently anti-christian and pro-islamic.

          You peeing your pants in fear again?

          • I think it might be easier to name the Liberals that are NOT anti-christian!

          • Maureen

            I still don’t hear any names

        • When you make statements about liberals who are ‘vehemently anti_Christian, you lose all credibility.
          Who are these people and where are the links to back up your claims?

      • So far this year, 288 fatalities and 673 wounded in mass shootings in the US.

        Are Muslims really the problem?

        • Of the 288 fatalities so far this year, 74 or 21% were caused by muslims extremists in the just the San Bernardino and Orlando mass shootings alone. And you don’t see a problem with muslims? You truly are a libtard aren’t ya?

          • Not true

            Don’t make stuff up

          • 63 dead out of 288 (total number killed in mass shootings in the US year to date = 21%

            Do the math STOOPID!

          • raf1a

            There have been no Muslim massacres in the US this year

            Try to keep up

          • I see a great big problem with guns, and a bunch of gun fanatics who are in denial.

            And I am so so glad I live in Canada…

  2. Trump….the man-child….is crying out in fear…..and he appeals to the frightened people of the US.

  3. Whatever. I stand behind trump. He is the least of the three evils up for the position as POTUS.

    • The Americans have one hell of a mess. No matter which of Clinton or Trump you vote for you end up with a problem-one a crook and the other a narcissist. But as I held my nose and voted, I’d go for Trump.
      He’s far less likely to be impeached!!

      • If Trump become president, the US is over

        • Not just the US; he’ll take much of the world with them down that dark spiral of death.

      • @jerome: The only reason you describe Clinton as a “crook” is because Trump told you to think that. Good boy (arf, arf). And the only reason you describe Trump as a “narcissist” is because that’s the mildest term you might use – compared to racist, moronic, woman-hating, facist.

        No, Trump would never be impeached. Because as soon as people like you put him in office, he will declare himself Emperor for Life. Zieg Heil, pal.

          • Ark2

            I’m not fond of either candidate….but bear in mind a lot of what is said is hokum. Tabloid stuff…

            However Elizabeth Warren or Paul Ryan would have been better choices.

        • Crook is probably not accurate. Corrupt is the correct term. Trump uses the word “crooked” to describe her, but that is based on an extremely long and established laundry list of her misdeeds. Can’t put that one on Trump.

          • Trump tax returns?

          • Clinton’s email server? Her Goldman Sachs speeches? Her threatening the women that Bill has had affairs with? The Clinton Foundation being used as a slush fund? Benghazi? This is just scratching the surface. There are literally documentaries about how corrupt and dishonest this woman is. I’m all for having a female president, but did American have to pick the worst one in politics?

            As for Trump’s tax returns, my personal thoughts on that is that he is not nearly as successful financially as he would have people believe, and he is afraid that people will see this if he tax returns are released. Having said that, I think that he is also a terrible candidate, so please don’t confuse my attacks on Clinton as support for Trump.

          • Ark2

            I’m not fond of either candidate….but bear in mind a lot of what is said is hokum. Tabloid stuff…

            However Elizabeth Warren or Paul Ryan would have been better choices.

      • Clinton is not going to be impeached.
        Enough with the rabid right agenda.

  4. Obama has been such a weak president that the terrorists are encouraged. Muslims do not integrate into the general population. They live in their own communities and work to change the laws of the host country to the laws of the Muslim community. It is well known that Muslims in Middle East countries despise gays and denigrate women. Why do we want to import so many of them when we know they will not change their ideas? If the choice is corrupt Clinton or buffoon Trump, I would vote Trump.

    • I know many Muslims who are well integrated into their communities- and do a great deal of charity work.
      I am sorry that people are using the violence of a group of thugs who are the farthest thing from devout Muslims to demean the whole group.
      I abhor people who use violence for political gain; but I do not use the man who shot up the Baptist church as an example of Christian extremism.

      • Oh, please do! If for no other reason than to show people just how rabidly hateful and stupid their calling all Muslims terrorists really is.

  5. None of ’em’s exactly Churchillian. Chinchillian, maybe.

    • So, let’s recap, shall we. Every Republican candidate since the 50’s has been declared to be Hitlerian in nature. The pattern is quite obviously still holding. In spite of Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, and two Bush’s, Bernie Sanders and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz still live and breathe. I’m guessing that’s a meme that needs to die.
      Hillary Clinton says that anyone on a terrorist watch list should not be allowed to buy a gun? Should anyone under FBI investigation be barred from running for President? Bonus question: If someone misuses a computer server, and the information hacked from that server causes the deaths of hundreds or thousands, should the owner of the server be held liable?
      We know that many Muslims are radicalized via the Internet. If we believe that a potentially violent person should not be allowed to buy a gun, should we bar Muslims from the Internet? If we can set aside the 1st Amendment rights of Christians in order to satisfy both the gay community and the pro-abortion community, can we set aside the 1st and 2nd Amendment rights of Muslims for public safety reasons?
      A man long known to be mentally unstable kills a British MP. We have been treated to an endless litany of tales of his ties to “right wing extremists” and “neo-Nazis” tied to the anti-EU movement in Great Britain. This is a direct corollary to the media’s efforts to downplay Omar Mateen’s Islamist beliefs, or the fact that he was a registered Democrat.
      Meanwhile, we read of Obama’s almost delusional efforts to dismantle American influence in the world (see: the tower.com, The Mind of the President, and be sure to read the other two articles referenced in it. Both The Atlantic and The New York Times are not exactly hotbeds of Republican punditry. Sorry Emily, but I doubt they’re available in a pop-up book.) but Trump is the extremist.
      The mind of a liberal often reminds me of central and eastern Wyoming. High, wide, and windy but not a whole lot there.

      • Look at you, using a whole lot of words to say stuff that is not true.

        And stuff.

        Anyway…

      • You guys really have to do something about this kitchen sink tactic Wild Bill.

        That is possibly the most confused post you’ve ever written!

        You and a coupe of others on here hate ‘liberals’ to the point of insanity, and would even blame them for rainy day.

      • Great post Bill. Notice that those who opposed it have nothing to actually refute anything that you have said?

        • Actually we’re refuting it all. None of it is true.

        • I have asked him over and over and over again to back up his assertions. He refuses. We all know why.

          I will “refute” his posts when he posts something that contains actual facts instead of a bunch of stuff he makes up.

          • Exactly. He deals in rumor and fantasy and outright nonsense…..there is nothing clear-cut or factual there to refute. It’s all rubbish and slogans.

          • Nice try Gayle1. Within the last week I gave you specific examples that you obviously ignored.
            In the above, the specific examples are right there. Hillary’s comment is documented, as is the fact that Mateen’s was a registered Democrat, and so forth.
            Between you and Emily, I swear you once had two clues, but one got lost and the other was eaten by a bear while looking for it.

          • Actually Bill, you said nothing of the sort.

            You might have imagined you did….but nobody else remembers it.

            I warned you about those little green pills

          • Lying again.

            I asked you for sources. You have provided none.

  6. Clearly gun violence in the USA is the fault of anything but for abuse of the Second Amendment…and the gun lobby.
    As for American’s (and Donald Duck bringing them to their knees in prayer, beating their breasts every time he shouts, “BOO!”)…if mine was a country that invaded yet another country following the inauguration of every President since WWII, I too would hold to the right to be psychotic and paranoid.

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