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Trudeau boots senators from Liberal caucus in bid to restore Senate independence


OTTAWA – Justin Trudeau is sweeping Liberal senators out of his party’s caucus in a bid to show he’s serious about cleaning up the Senate, a move sure to trigger turmoil among some members of the scandal-plagued upper house.

The surprise move — announced today after Trudeau personally informed the 32 Liberal senators — is aimed at reducing partisanship in the Senate and restoring its intended role as an independent chamber of sober second thought.

Extreme patronage and partisanship are at the root of the Senate expenses scandal, which has engulfed the upper chamber for more than a year, Trudeau told a news conference on Parliament Hill.

“The Senate is broken and needs to be fixed,” he said.

Making Liberal senators independent of the party’s parliamentary caucus is a first, concrete step towards reducing partisanship, Trudeau argued as he challenged Prime Minister Stephen Harper to similarly set free the 57 Conservative senators.

“If the Senate serves a purpose at all, it is to act as a check on the extraordinary power of the prime minister and his office, especially in a majority government,” Trudeau said.

“The party structure in the Senate interferes with this responsibility. Taken together with patronage (appointments), partisanship within the Senate is a powerful, negative force. It reinforces the prime minister’s power instead of checking it.

“At best, this renders the Senate redundant. At worst — and under Mr. Harper we have seen it at its worst — it amplifies the prime minister’s power.”

If elected prime minister, Trudeau said he’d go further. He’d appoint only independent senators after employing an open, transparent process, with public input, for nominating worthy candidates — much the way recipients of the Order of Canada are chosen.

The Harper government has asked the Supreme Court of Canada to advise whether it can unilaterally impose term limits and set up a process for “consultative elections” of Senate nominees. Most provinces maintain such reforms require a constitutional amendment approved by at least seven provinces with 50 per cent of the country’s population.

It has also asked the top court to advise whether outright abolition of the Senate would require the approval of seven provinces or unanimity.

Trudeau said he believes his proposals are “the most meaningful action possible without changing the Constitution.” But he added: “If the Supreme Court says more can be done, we will be open to doing more.”

Pierre Poilievre, the Conservative minister in charge of democratic reform, dismissed Trudeau’s move as a stunt designed to mitigate the impact of a forthcoming auditor general’s report on Senate expenses.

“He’s looking for a public relations manoeuvre,” Poilievre said. Kicking senators out of caucus does little to remedy the fundamental problems with the Senate itself, he added.

“The removal of senators from a weekly caucus meeting does not change the fundamental problem with the Senate, which is that it is unelected and unaccountable,” he said.

Fixing that, he continued, will require changes that ensure the Senate “reflects the democratic will of the people.”

“We have, for example, senators in our caucus who were democratically elected by the people of Alberta. That is the approach that we believe should be taken nationwide.”

Trudeau’s announcement likely came as a shock to some Liberal senators, who were given no advance warning. Many of them have long, illustrious careers of service to the Liberal party. Their ranks include senators who’ve run national election campaigns, overseen Liberal party headquarters, served previous prime ministers and been elected as MPs.

Sen. George Baker agreed the Senate needs to be depoliticized and praised Trudeau’s move as a courageous one; indeed, one insider who was on hand for the meeting said several senators broke into applause upon hearing the news.

There is nonetheless sure to be a sense of shock and “estrangement” among others, Baker acknowledged.

Under the party’s constitution, senators are considered members of the national caucus and enjoy a number of special privileges, including being automatically entitled to attend Liberal conventions and having an equal say with elected MPs in choosing interim leaders.

Trudeau is expected to eventually seek amendments to the Liberal constitution to reflect his new, non-partisan approach to the Senate, stripping senators of their special privileges although they’d be able to remain regular members of the party if they chose to do so.

The party is holding a national convention next month in Montreal but it’s too late to propose constitutional amendments for consideration at that gathering.

In the meantime, Trudeau will exclude senators from any role on national election or fundraising campaigns. And he won’t allow them to sit as Liberals in the Senate.

He’s leaving it up to the senators to decide how or if to reorganize themselves and up to the Senate to decide how to deal with the fact that his move effectively does away with the notion of an official Opposition in the upper house.

“The Senate will have challenges in terms of how it reorganizes,” he said. Harper could help the reorganization by removing partisanship entirely, he added.

Then there’s the question of the Liberal leader in the Senate, James Cowan, who is entitled to a budget of some $200,000 to employ staff to help the party’s senators review legislation and plot strategy. What happens to that budget, if there is no longer a Liberal leader or Liberal caucus in the chamber, is unclear.

“Any staff and budgets allocated by the parliamentary institution is now up for discussion between the independent senators and the parliamentary institution.”

The 32 Liberals will join seven senators who already sit as independents in the 105-seat chamber — including former Tories Mike Duffy, Pamela Wallin and Patrick Brazeau, who were suspended without pay last fall for allegedly making fraudulent living and travel expense claims.

The three suspended senators, along with former Liberal senator Mac Harb and Harper’s former chief of staff, Nigel Wright, are under RCMP investigation but have not as yet been charged with any criminal conduct.

Last fall, the NDP, which has long championed abolition of the Senate, called on both Liberals and Conservatives to eject senators from their caucuses. The Liberals voted against the motion.

Trudeau has evidently changed his mind since then and now says his proposals “represent the most significant and concrete actions to reform the Senate in its history.”

By contrast, he said both Harper and NDP Leader Tom Mulcair are indulging in “a lot of loose rhetoric” about reforming or eliminating the chamber.

“Canadians elected (Harper’s) party to bring change to this place. Instead they got a more virulent version of the status quo: a hyper-political, hyper-partisan Senate that is, more than ever, the prime minister’s private plaything,” he said.

As for Mulcair, Trudeau said his promise to abolish the Senate is “either deliberately and cynically misleading or empty and foolish,” given that it would require “the most significant amendment to the Constitution since the creation of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms” in 1982.

Poilievre acknowledged the constitutional challenges inherent in the idea of Senate reform, including ensuring that senators are democratically elected. The Conservatives have asked the Supreme Court of Canada to explore whether such reforms would require amending the Constitution.

“We believe the Senate is not democratic under the status quo, and that’s why this is the only prime minister who has made practical steps toward changing it.”


Trudeau boots senators from Liberal caucus in bid to restore Senate independence

  1. Wow. Mr Trudeau looks more prime ministerial every freaking day. This is a good move, and guess what: no need to delve into the constitution to do it. Skipped right over Mulcair and Harper, LOL. Keep going, JT!

  2. LOL Just saw a headline

    ‘In one fell swoop, Trudeau has changed the game on Parliament Hill’

    Indeed he did. Non partisan would be much better. Good plan

    • And once again, he sweeps the headlines and the agenda away from the governing party (although Old Julian might thank him for that today). It’s all the journos are tweeting about this am.

      • LOL yeah, the opening of parliament just got pre-empted

    • Yes…and the other party’s are playing chess while Jughead plays pick-up-sticks.

      • Au contraire mon ami…

        Harper and Mulcair play checkers as Rome burns, whilst Trudeau plays 3D chess with Mr. Spock.

        Bye the bye…the plural of Party…is Parties

        • Thank you.

          • My pleasure.

            Facsinating morning.
            Over at National Post…I have never seen the comment section fill up as fast as today. The PMO and the trolls couldn’t keep up. Most are positive. Whether this is a vaccine for the Senate audit, matters not…either way…twas brilliant. Let the attacks begin…shall be entertaining.

            Thing is…Trudeau always seems to think 3-5 steps ahead…all good…waiting for the next move…to go back to the Brazeau fight…these are all jabs…to set up the knockout…especially out west…

            When Harper falls below 25% in the polls…then the real fun will desperation kicks in. The Del Maestro trial in June will force Harper to either call a snap election…or retire.

          • Harper never thinks to the end of a paragraph so everything is a surprise to him. The recession, the Keystone ‘no-brainer’, the retreat from Afghanistan…..

            Trudeau though….as you say, always several moves ahead.

            I have a 3D chess set on my shelf….every time I look at it now… I smile.

          • “Trudeau always seems to think 3-5 steps ahead…all good…”

            Oh, for heaven’s sake.

            You JT supporters, with your pathological need to depict JT as some sort of genius, really are beyond parody.

        • 3d chess with Mr. Spock? Jughead isn’t smart enough to be Harper or Mulcair’s pool boy.

          • Well if it wasn’t his idea personally, then he has a good team behind him. A brilliant move. Harper dithers and delays for eight years; Justin acts.

          • Typical deer in the headlights response…so predictable.

            When ya got nothing intelligent to say…attack, smear and ridicule.

            Is that you Pollievre…?

            Keep it up, I need the entertainment.

        • But this was not an original idea from Trudea. If anything it can be surmised that he is actually listening to the NDP and their idea from October 2013. I think Trudeau is playing a smart game in the sense that he trying to lured NDP voters or voters who are left leaning that feel Mulcair is more of an opposition leader than PM material.

        • I doubt Trudeau could even manage checkers. At least, not without the help of his advisors; or the other folks with whom he surrounds himself who tell him what he’s supposed to think.

          • Really. That comment could apply to the Conservative Senate leader and the senators, the cabinets and the MPs who all follow and do what the PMO tells them to do and say. Would you not agree?

          • At least he takes advice, unlike the autocrat in the PMO.

          • Where did you get these crazy ideas?. He’s as well prepared as Leaside, mailroom, Steve ever was.

        • Please…. all he is doing is distancing himself from the Auditor’s report.

  3. Finally, Trudeau the Younger and the Liberals put forth an idea I can get behind. The idea of appointing senators in a manner similar to Order of Canada recipients is a great one, allowing the Senators to both represent the people and reducing the partisanship inherent in the electoral process and in prime ministerial appointment.

    I’m still not sold on the idea of Trudeau the Younger as Prime Minister. He’s going to have to do a lot more to prove himself to me, but I take this as a good first step on his part, or on the part of the party.

    • On the CBC Sunday radio talk show moderated by well known Conservative apologist Rex Murphy, a lot of callers proposed keeping the Senate with a non partisan third party appointment system. Brightest and best?

      • What kind of gong show would the appointment board be?
        Would it be elected?
        Then what would we gain?

    • Eh, I’m not so sure that mandarins appointing mandarins will lead to a more accountable or less corrupt senate.

      • assuming it goes through it would be an improvement on a system which leans too much toward rewarding loyalty. of course you could do that without forming a committee.

  4. Well played, Mr. Trudeau, very well played. I’m waiting for the CRAP spin.

    • Did you miss the Loathesome Polievre’s scrum? He truly embarrassed himself responding to this.

      • It was particularily pathetic even for him.

      • I’ll catch it on the National.

    • All he is doing is hiding from the auditors report.

  5. JT just pissed off a lot of Liberal Party members, he just tossed a hand grenade into the middle of next months Liberal Party Convention and he’ll also find that it will take a change to the party Constitution to do what he just announed. Good luck with that.

    • Yeah, well I’m a member and not pissed off, quite the opposite actually. And he’s the leader, and so he leads. Good luck with all of that.

      • JT is quite the little dictator, no consultation with caucus required.

        • How do you know he didn’t talk to his caucus ahead of time?

          • Caucus members said so on the radio this morning.

        • Is that not how the PMO or Harper work as well? That is who we elect for four years and usually give them a second term just for the heck of it. Let’s not forget that Harper kicked out the Liberal with idea that he would create a more transparent government. Did we get that from him? Not from what I hear or read from everyone that reports out of Ottawa.

        • I assume, from this comment, that you prefer the dictator in the PMO. If Harper wants someone’s opinion, he gives it to them.

    • Trudeau outmaneuvered Dear Leader.

      • JT got bad advice from brother sascha

      • All he is doing is trying to outmaneuver the auditor.
        The report must be damning for the liberals for him to risk another liberal party civil war.

    • Bruce,
      These “now not Liberal” senators know this is just a game for show….they’ll still be involved. This is just a ploy to deflect attention away from the Lib senators who have been padding their expense accounts.
      I suspect someone leaked the findings to Trudeau’s backroom boys….and this was just their way of trying to avoid the backlash.

      • …and there’s the new TP from the CPC…

      • Enjoying your blissful state of cognitive dissonance?

      • What is it about reform you don’t understand? Can’t you take YES for an answer?

      • They’re still card carrying Liberals. They’re just not a part of the caucus anymore.

  6. Oh…trying to dodge the Auditor’s upcoming report that would have tagged Lieberal’s…I hope a couple cross over to the Tories…LMAO…

    • Too bad harper didn’t think of it before the consenator explosion, eh? Or even after. Yep, even if your theory is correct, and of course, you are merely reiterating the ridiculous talking points of Polievre (what kind of a man takes direction from that little toad?), all I can say is: at least Trudeau did it, and he did it first.

      • He did. He left 17 vacant seats empty until the Bloc, Lieberal, NDP coup failed whereby Elizabeth May had been promised a sure senate seat in exchange for her support….remember that little episode?

        • He said he would not appoint senators, not that he would not appoint senators unless he felt it was convenient.

          • an attempted coup changes the metrics.

          • nonsense. he faced a senate with more centrists than right wingers before, he could have continued to do so. Sometimes things change and demand new courses of action. This was not one of them.

        • More senators appointed by harper than any other pm, and 58 in one day — that was a good day, the day he appointed Wallin, Duffster, Brazeau…remember that little episode?

          • So you’ll agree to a EEE senate then?

          • why would that have to follow? Just because Harper made stupid appointments doesn’t mean we have to follow every Albertan pipe dream.

          • I have never agreed with an elected senate. So no, no triple E for me.

  7. it’s original, there’s little downside (not none, Paul Wells notes research funding is tied to party affiliation), it’s a bold move in an area where the Reform has been yapping for years but not done anything, and it blasts the “he has no policy” line.

    I think this is a pretty clear win for Trudeau.

    • And as an added bonus for Justin is that these 30-odd Independent Senators just happen to be Liberal party members and ideologically pre-disposed to his way of thinking, but can hide behind the title “Independent.” This may prove to be crucial once the results of the Auditor General’s report on expenses comes out.

      A cynic (me) could point out that Justin is vaccinating himself against some bad things in the expense accounts of these Senators.

      If Justin ever gets into power, this move may just end up biting him. These Senators may actually start to think and act independently, thwarting the actions of future Prime Ministers (and future PMO’s). That would be a win for Canadians right there.

  8. If Harper had done this, the press would have been all over him wondering what is coming down the pipe that he wants to distance himself from. Indeed, that was my initial thought; Justin’s gamble to alienate the upper house and apparently breach the party constitution by doing it immediately rather than through proper democratic means, seems to suggest some bad stuff is on the way.
    But this is their boy, so it is written as if the far left commenters here were the editorial board.
    As for the comment that this looks “Prime Ministerial”: I can only imagine what the commenters here would say if our PM swept away a basic democratic structure by fiat, rather than democratic means.
    Justin’s admiration for China’s totalitarianism to get things done seems to be materializing.

    • Here’s the thing: harper did NOT do this, and neither did Mulcair. Trudeau did not sweep away anything; he made a change within his own party structure, which he can do since he’s leader. And guess what everyone’s talking about today, and perhaps tomorrow, and maybe even up until Friday?

      • I think that the only NDP senator came from a Mulroney appointment, and that he was amicably booted from caucus in order to sit as an independent (willing to accept authoritative corrections on this point).

        In fact, Trudeau is merely instituting a long held NDP policy which, never being government, they have never put into practice.

        • GFMD, Mulcair’s NDP are on the record as being for abolition. As to the NDP senator, all I can think of is Lillian Dyck, appointed by Paul Martin, who wanted to sit as an NDP senator. At that time, she was told the NDP would not recognize her as a member of their caucus (also her NDP membership had lapsed), and so she sat as an independent for awhile and then joined the Liberal caucus. Whatever her background, she is a wonderful senator, and one of our few of indigenous ancestry.

      • Hopefully the disgraceful Fantino.

        • Fantino owes JT some thanks today; Don Martin has pledged on Twitter that he will be sure to save time for the Fantino discussion. We can talk about ALL the Conservative failings, no need to leave any out.

          • But…but…but…it’s getting so hard to keep up.

        • I agree with your view about Fantino……
          He’s the reason Caledonia is such a hostile mess……no cojones to do what needed to be done.
          pathetic as a top cop. (of course, the replacements haven’t been much better…being politicians before being cops)

      • To be fair, Mulcair couldn’t do this because there are no NDP senators. Lillian Dyck wanted to sit as an NDP senator, but the party doesn’t recognize her as a member of the NDP caucus, because of the obvious conflict with the NDP’s policy towards the Senate.

        Still a great move by Trudeau, though, I don’t want to take away from that.

        • Mulcair is on record for abolition; as of this am, since the JT announcement, he seems to be coming around to some reform. Last fall, when Senate dominated the headlines, I felt that Mulcair had painted himself into a corner because his reps could not discuss reform meaningfully because of their abolition stance.

      • And he’s proposing a new widely accepted change in the way Senators are recruited, vetted and appointed. All non partisan.

    • “I can only imagine what the commenters here would say if our PM swept away a basic democratic structure by fiat, rather than democratic means.”

      He does, regularly – and we comment on it when he does. OK, maybe he’s a little more stealthy in how he goes about it, but…

  9. Our Dear Leader has been blindsided!

  10. So, if Mr. Harper had fired all Conservative senators ahead of a damning report on their doings….but they maintained loyalty to the party…even called themselves the Senate Conservative Caucus…that would be considered ‘bold’ and ‘refreshing’ right?

    • Bingo Kevin…..the double standard, is as obvious as the real reason Trudeau did this.
      someone leaked the AG report to his people…..and though not surprised at what the Liberal senators have been doing (Hello mac harb)….they don’t want the public to see it.
      Deflection is better than explanation.

      • The AG has told reporters in no uncertain terms there have been no leaks from his office. Perhaps Liberal senators themselves have admitted abusing their expense accounts. Even if that’s the case — booting them from caucus would be the right thing to do, and so even if the party benefits, so too do Canadians. If only harper had been willing to relinquish even a tiny bit of power, he could have done this himself. But no, he sure didn’t, did he?

        • Of course the AG has no leakers…in fact, every Govenrment department, if asked…would say the same thing.
          sort of like Elections Canada….they had no leakers, but there sure were a lot of reporters waiting outside the Conservative’s offices when the RCMP showed up. be fair, if the head of Elections Canada is the one calling the media…..I don’t think it is really considered a “leak” so much as, business as usual.

    • I would consider it bold and refreshing if and only they show independence from the party itself. I would want to see how they run the Senate and the committees they head. I don’ t want a Senate like the U.S. Senate.

  11. Well, whether this a win for the Liberals or not, I have to say it is exciting for me, a guy who would never vote Liberal, to see you guys all in favor of senate reform or abolition.

    It means that all the parties are on side, so we might be able to move forward on the constitutional changes to get this done.

    I have to say though, I don’t really like the idea of mandarins appointing mandarins as something to make the senate better. I mean, it isn’t like it is just one guy that appoints the senators now, but a bunch of party bigwigs. Who would decide the third party non partisan committee to select senators, and what would happen if the senators decided to exercise their very real constitutional powers over the elected House of Commons?

    • LOL.. this is neither reform nor abolition, it is adjustment, just as he stated way back when when you were criticizing him for not coming out in favor of reform or abolition.

      • Meh, this would only be done if senate reform or abolition was on everybody’s mind. Justin’s statement that “The senate is broken and needs to be fixed” is not just about changing the way senate appointments are done.

        Also, when you say “back when I was criticizing him for not coming out in favor of reform or abolition” do you mean me personally, or conservatives like me?

        • Ah, sorry about that, yes the more general “you” is meant there, though in fairness, you shouldn’t be included with that bunch generally.

          • only occasionally…

    • Yanni, this is a step that is being taken without the pain of digging into the Constitution. Harper could have checked his own power in this situation, but we all know that harper is not willing to give up any power at all.

      With respect to the appointment process, from the article above: “He’d appoint only independent senators after employing an open, transparent process, with public input, for nominating worthy candidates — much the way recipients of the Order of Canada are chosen.” The Order of Canada appointments seem to be quite fair and balanced, and in recognition of good public service somehow. I, for one, would be happy to see senators appointed from a pool of people who live in the province they would represent, and who are highly successful in some aspect of their lives. For example, from your comments, I believe we both live in SK. So instead of a celebrity like Wallin, I would have appreciated someone like say, Gavin Semple, the owner of Brandt Industries, the biggest independent company in SK. Gavin is indeed a conservative, but even I would never suggest he is not an appropriate choice for the Senate (or the Order of Canada).

      • But the difference between the Order of Canada and the Senate is that being a member of the Order of Canada doesn’t confer any power.

        But the senate does have official power, even if it isn’t used. They also perform various tasks for the government, and can help or hinder the government.

        • Okay, I know there’s a difference in what they do but thought we were talking about how appointed? So if they now sit as independents, I guess there’s no longer any pressure on them to vote the party line if they disagree with it — no more whipping. I imagine some of these senators will be upset; others will realize it’s a sign of the times and go with the flow. There: I love it when I layer cliche onto cliche.

    • You might be right if this were either “senate reform or abolition”. Unfortunately for your analysis, it is neither.

  12. I can see why now immigration in 2015 wants to bring in other people from other countries to feeling job position its not Wendys McDonalds or Harveys where are Canadian citizens are working for minimum wage slavery these are government job set up by the Liberal Party for more than minimum wage who will stop the rain another bullcrap story for this isn’t here who don’t understand look behind the scam speaker Phil Ryerson

    • Try something novel in your posts, e.g., grammar, syntax, conventional sentence structure, logic. ;)

    • That was discussed prior to that particular article, which points out that their “official stance” is abolition. Anyway, if you believe this policy came from Mulcair, I guess you must be furious to see all the attention Trudeau is getting from his announcement. One imagines that Mulcair is furious.

      • Not really. I don’t mind if a party borrows ideas from other parties. Now if Mulcair can use Trudeau’s action today to bring attention to NDP original idea maybe that will be good. I think Mulcair should congratulate Justin for accepting an NDP policy to change the Senate and he should also agree that creating an independent body to appoint Senators is not a bad idea. Mulcair should say that his party is probably the only party than truly will make sure that an independent body would be created to appoint Senators.

        • From a communications standpoint, I would agree that Mulcair should somehow congratulate JT; however, how can he say they would ensure an independent body would be created when their official stance is abolition? Either they have to become hypocrites, or stay the course. How can you have an official stance, but back down and say you also have other stances on the same thing?

          • Well that is where Mulcair has to show that he can be accommodating to changing positions. If it can be proven that by making Senators be accountable to the people by been independent from government parties in the House then it that is a win win for everyone.

          • I agree with you, but I don’t think that Mulcair is going to take your advice. He is working hard to appear strong and ready to govern, so flip-flopping on a long-held position would weaken his stance. Besides, Mulcair and Trudeau are battling for the progressive votes, both of them. So far, although Mulcair is the official oppo leader, Trudeau leads the polls in popularity. So why would progressive people who are trying to decide which party to support pick the party that seems to be flipping? Why not just support the party with the stance you agree with?

          • Trudeau is being very smart. I think he is courting those voters with this action, and also putting the Conservative on a tough position when it comes to the Senate and defending what they have or have not done in the past 8 year about the reforming the Senate . Abolishing it will more difficult if not impossible now with the Liberal Senators becoming independent. But also at the same time Trudeau has thrown a wrench at Mulcair because Trudeau is trying to bring voters who are progressive and NDP voters that feel Mulcair does not have the ability to win the next election to vote for him in 2015.
            Mulcair could reduce the damage if he comes out saying he prefers abolishing the senate but would implement the NDP suggestion borrowed by Justin after the Supreme court comes out with their recommendations on reforming the Senate. I wonder now how much of an influence does today statement have on the judges.

      • Christ, the Liberals have been “borrowing” ideas from the NDP/CCF since St. Laurent

  13. Anything, in even some small way (which I don’t believe it is), that curb’s the power of this party which slithered it’s way to office has to be seen as a plus for the Canadian people.

  14. Smoke and mirrors from Trudeau. He kicked them out of caucus, not out of the party. So they’re all still card carrying Liberals. You’ve still got the same number of Liberals in the Senate, how does that make it any less partisan?

    I suspect his real motivation here was that he didn’t appoint any of these Senators himself, so they weren’t as loyal to him as he’d have liked. So rather than win them over with his ideas, he simply kicks them out of caucus. Fewer dissenting voices in the Liberal caucus is not exactly good for democracy.

    • I can’t help but be cynical. I think there are some big expense account ghosts in the Liberal Senators’ closets.

  15. The obvious problem to any of this is that anyone in the Senate can be “bought”.
    I understand Trudeau idealogiically trying to clean the Senate up, and if we can, then great.
    But, it’s like the old saying “…if you can’t trust a priest, than who can you trust…?”

    I say eject the entire senate completely, and put that savings towards better healthcare, schools, jobs, …. anything is better than paying “salaries” from our taxes to these useless, self-interest-driven baffoons.

    Why does our “eleceted” Gov’t need a Senate ?
    The Gov’t itself, majority or not, needs to be completely held responsible, accountable, and traceable,…, for all it’s decisions. <- Basically everything that Harpo has lied about, so far.
    And any wrongdoing needs to be punished hard, and swiftly. "Impeach" them, AND/OR hit them deep where it hurts, in their pocketbooks, but NOT in the cdn-taxpayer pocketbooks.
    If the Feds need babysitters(like the Senate), then maybe we need a more responsible Federal gov't that'll looks after the needs of it's citizens, instead of a different babysitter ?

    You mean Harpo didn't know what Nigel did ? -they should both be in jail.
    The only real "Senate" the gov't should answer to, is every Canadian citizen, and that's all they need to know, in a perfect democratically elected gov't.
    But hey, who's "perfect" right ? ;)

  16. Trudeau boots senators to distance himself from them when the auditors report comes out…