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Germany’s real problem with refugees

While it may be ridiculous to criticize race, it is reasonable to criticize culture, writes Scott Gilmore


 
Supporters of anti-immigration right-wing movement PEGIDA (Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamisation of the West) take part in in demonstration rally, in reaction to mass assaults on women on New Year's Eve, in Cologne, Germany, January 9, 2016.  Wolfgang Rattay / Reuters

Supporters of anti-immigration right-wing movement PEGIDA (Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamisation of the West) take part in in demonstration rally, in reaction to mass assaults on women on New Year’s Eve, in Cologne, Germany, January 9, 2016. Wolfgang Rattay / Reuters

Coming back from another disheartening trip to Afghanistan a few years ago, a series of missed connections left me in Cologne for the night. To raise my spirits, I walked down to its famous cathedral by the Rhine. It was late December and so I found its annual Christmas Fair huddled beneath the enormous twin bell towers. My memory of that accidental visit is almost idyllic: frosty air, the two great spires above, small stalls selling handmade decorations, unseen carollers nearby and the smell of mulled wine.

This week, when news emerged that more than a thousand men, described by police and witnesses as being of North African and Middle Eastern descent, rampaged through the fair sexually assaulting women, I gave it a jaundiced eye. A story about mobs of Arab men descending on a European cathedral to rape Christian women seemed too much like a bigot’s fever dream, and I expected further reporting would debunk it. Sadly, further reporting merely expanded on the outrage.

Police are now investigating over 500 criminal complaints from that night in Cologne. The majority of those arrested so far are indeed asylum seekers. Other German cities reported similar attacks. Across Europe, more stories emerged. In Sweden, for example, police have been accused of covering up a series of mass sexual assaults committed by gangs of Afghans who groped and molested girls as young as 11 or 12 at a popular music festival.

The Cologne attacks immediately shifted the refugee debate in Germany. Previous supporters of an open border policy began to argue that too many had now arrived, more than one million in the last year. German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who has pushed the hardest among European leaders to accept more asylum seekers, quickly found herself in a precarious position. Demands for her resignation increased as public opinion began to turn. And not just in Germany. Across Europe and North America, from the racist right to the feminist left, people are pointing to Cologne and claiming it’s simply too dangerous to accept more asylum seekers from countries like Syria.

This is the part of the column where you would normally expect me to argue the odds of being raped by a refugee are somewhat lower than being attacked by rabbits, where I might make some reference to instinctive bias, and then suggest everyone should just calm down.

But they’re right. When refugees arrive in Western countries, they bring with them violent and sexist cultural attitudes that contributed in part to the mess they fled. Consider a global survey by the Pew Research Center; when asked if women should have equal rights, only 45 per cent of Egyptian men agreed, compared to 97 per cent of Germans. Similarly, not a single Arab or North African nation makes it into the top 100 counties ranked in the most recent World Economic Forum’s gender-gap report. Those medieval attitudes translate into barbaric actions. Due to reporting variances, tracking sexual assault statistics between countries is extremely difficult, but a large comparative database created by the WomanStats Project ranks Muslim countries among the world’s most dangerous places for women. If you’re surprised that some refugee groups in Europe commit crimes at a higher rate than the general population, you’re either not paying attention or you are lying to yourself.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel and the newly elected Romanian Prime Minister Dacian Cioloso (unseen) talk to the press after their common lunch at the chancellery on January 7, 2016 in Berlin, Germany. Bilateral relations and the European policy on the current refugee situation within Europe were the main topics of their meeting. Christian Marquardt/Getty Images

German Chancellor Angela Merkel and the newly elected Romanian Prime Minister Dacian Cioloso (unseen) talk to the press after their common lunch at the chancellery on January 7, 2016 in Berlin, Germany. Bilateral relations and the European policy on the current refugee situation within Europe were the main topics of their meeting. Christian Marquardt/Getty Images

Nonetheless, Merkel’s push for more open borders remains the right policy for both moral and economic reasons. Germany, like most countries in the EU, must defuse a demographic time bomb as its population ages and the number of taxpayers funding the social safety net decreases. And the humanitarian need of the millions displaced from Syria and other conflict zones is real and acute. Bringing these refugees into Western economies also allows them to send remittances back to the families they left behind, creating a flow of relief dollars that surpasses our aid budgets.

These same reasons apply to Canada. This country was built, decade after decade, by the arrival of new blood and diverse cultures. Canada has thrived in a decreasingly Hobbesian world, where the destitute and the vulnerable are not ignored. There is no question we should take in refugees. But this is not the same thing as saying, “Taking in refugees does not create risks.”

These risks, however, are manageable. Unlike Germany, Canada can conduct security screens on every refugee before arrival. After they land we have well-developed cultural integration training, designed to explain the law of the land. Once the refugees are settled, our police and legal systems are among the best in the world, strong enough to keep everyone safe.

The trick, though, is we need to be honest with ourselves. We have to admit that an Arabic-speaking Muslim fleeing Aleppo will stretch our social fabric far more than an English-speaking Anglican moving up from Vermont. In fact, we need to go a step further and acknowledge that while it may be ridiculous to criticize race, it is perfectly reasonable to criticize culture.

There is an objective reason people from around the world want to flee to the West. Our society is more attractive because it is safer, more just, more prosperous and more fulfilling. If we want to keep it that way, we are perfectly justified in telling new arrivals they need to change, to become more German or more Canadian.

The social compact we are offering incoming refugees is simple. We will share our prosperity and safety with you, and in return you will respect our laws. It’s fair and should be obvious, and yet we repeatedly fail to enforce this contract. In Canada it is almost impossible to deport a new arrival, regardless of what crimes they have committed. In Germany, Merkel herself has lamented the fact that the Cologne attackers will probably get off with light sentences and cannot be sent back. Her party agrees, and issued a declaration last week calling for stripping asylum status from anyone convicted of even a single crime. This week, Merkel admitted that “all of a sudden we are facing the challenge that refugees are coming to Europe and we are vulnerable, as we see, because we do not yet have the order, the control that we would like to have.”

This is not a new problem. A hundred years ago Irish immigrants were notoriously criminal. There’s a reason why a certain police vehicle is called a “paddy wagon.” More recently, Jamaican and Somali immigrants have wreaked havoc among themselves and the surrounding communities. Instead of talking about tolerance, the implicit racism of low expectations, we need to be talking about responsibilities. New arrivals have a responsibility to live up to our social and cultural standards. If they can’t, we have a responsibility to send them away.


 

Germany’s real problem with refugees

  1. Can anyone else see how much Scott Gilmore is struggling with his “doublethink”

    He knows what he is SUPPOSED to say about immigrants (they are good, add to diversity..make us stronger..yadda..yaadda…blech) but like most Liberals, he is at a loss for (coherent) words when reality in the form of hundreds of women raped or sexually assaulted hit him in the face. He really doesn’t know how to approach the topic, as evidenced by his wandering column above.

    For example, he writes:

    ” Across Europe and North America, from the racist right to the feminist left, people are pointing to Cologne and claiming it’s simply too dangerous to accept more asylum seekers from countries like Syria.”

    yes, Scott, because everyone knows, that if you are outraged by mobs of Muslim men raping, beating, and assaulting German women, then you are obviuosly a member of the racist right, or some feminist group. After all, we all know that only these two groups are opposed to the activity.

    He then writes:
    “But they’re right. When refugees arrive in Western countries, they bring with them violent and sexist cultural attitudes that contributed in part to the mess they fled”

    And then this:

    “Similarly, not a single Arab or North African nation makes it into the top 100 counties ranked in the most recent World Economic Forum’s gender-gap report. Those medieval attitudes translate into barbaric actions.”

    He also points out:
    “series of mass sexual assaults committed by gangs of Afghans who groped and molested girls as young as 11 or 12 at a popular music festival”

    and then he recognizes:

    “If you’re surprised that some refugee groups in Europe commit crimes at a higher rate than the general population, you’re either not paying attention or you are lying to yourself”

    And Scott, I couldn’t agree more. The question I have, however, is this. Why is it, that when I point out the same issues you have discussed above, that I become the racist? Why do I become right wing? Does a different standard apply if I became a journalist? If I go to journalism school, graduate, and continue to hold the exact same views as I have now; and which you now seem to hold, does that mean I am no longer a racist? Am I absolved simply because of my press credentials? I think I get it now. If you are a Conservative, and hold the exact same views as a Liberal journalist, then that makes you a racist, bigot, or xenophobe. If you are a Liberal however, these views are not to be condemned, but are merely recognition of reality.

    Ok, I get it now. (You are aware Scott, that this article is a bit of a contradiction with your last one on this subject)

    You also write:
    “In fact, we need to go a step further and acknowledge that while it may be ridiculous to criticize race, it is perfectly reasonable to criticize culture”

    Well, Scott….you made it a bit more wordy, but you have basically just written the same thing here, that I wrote a few weeks ago on the same topic. I won’t call it plagiarism, insomuch as I would recognize that you may have finally seen the light.

    Scott also notes:
    “This country was built, decade after decade, by the arrival of new blood and diverse cultures”

    yes, Diverse as in various groups from Europe and Asia. Countries such as England, Ukraine, Poland, China, India, etc..etc….
    they were diverse, however, they did not bring the backward, violent religion of Islam with them. Muslim immigration (mass muslim immigration) is a recent phenomenon, and as anyone with the ability to think can see……..it is a religion/culture imcompatible with a civilized society. If in doubt, just as the women in Germany who were groped and raped.

    He then notes:

    “If we want to keep it that way, we are perfectly justified in telling new arrivals they need to change, to become more German or more Canadian.”

    And yet, when Harper was PM this mindset made him and his party a bunch of bigots. When the folks of Quebec felt this way, it made them a bunch of racists. Hmm….maybe they should all go to journalism school so they may one day be allowed to think these things without being labelled.

    Scott ends with:
    “we need to be talking about responsibilities. New arrivals have a responsibility to live up to our social and cultural standards. If they can’t, we have a responsibility to send them away.”

    Well Scott….welcome to the club. It took you a while, and I’m sure you had to remove several pairs of rose coloured glasses, but at least you finally got there.

    Now, like the rest of us who share your newfound views…..get ready for the accusations that are soon to come your way for folks who don’t have two clues to rub together, but no doubt have a membership to the Liberal or NDP party.

    • What I really enjoyed about this comment was getting to read the entire column a second time!

    • The difference between this article and your rantings is that his is backed up by facts.

      Your gut feeling might have been right, but if it wasn’t backed up by facts – it is a prejudiced opinion. Pre-judged. You decided they were guilty before they committed a crime.

      I’m horrified by the Cologne attacks because I couldn’t fathom that people who fled a terrible situation to a safe new home would bring horrible acts like this with them. Maybe the policy of discriminating against single male refugees isn’t such a bad idea. Still prejudiced, but at least backed up with some examples now.

      • Not so fast, Pear Tree. Our opposition was based upon knowledge of certain facts. The most important being the knowledge that Islamic cultures tend to be misogynist, brutish, violent, and deeply bigoted towards non-Islamic peoples and customs. For that, we were shouted down.
        To degree, Gilmore treats the issues of non-assimilation of Muslims in Europe as a revelation, yet that fact and attendant problems have been well known to many of us for decades. Look around the world, and you’ll see that everywhere that Islam intersects with non-Islamic cultures, there is conflict. Deadly conflict, in fact. That brings to mind the old saying about if everybody you meet is a dick, maybe you’re the dick. Well, everybody that Islam meets, gets in a fight with Islam. Maybe Islam’s the dick, here.
        But, nobody wanted to hear that because “That’s racist!” Well, maybe it’s not. It’s an expression of the blatantly obvious.
        Look, just as there’s nothing wrong with ketchup, and there’s nothing wrong with apple pie, you certainly don’t mix the two unless the aim is to indelibly change the nature and flavor of apple pie. The same deal holds here. We’re not necessarily saying that there is something wrong with Islamic cultures (although many of us actually believe that to be true), we’re saying that there is no upside for Western culture to be indundated with millions of Muslims who will most likely NOT assimilate into Western culture.
        That, unfortunately, is a time tested and guaranteed formula for social upheaval. Part of our concern is also that this may actually be part of the plan, as our liberal intelligentsia is deeply infected with a loathing of Western culture that borders on the fanatical.

        • “…Islamic cultures tend to be misogynist, brutish, violent, and deeply bigoted towards non-Islamic peoples and customs.” Islamic culture is just as brutal within itself. Central to Islam is the control of women especially Muslim women. In fact Islam is obsessed with the control of women.

      • You “couldn’t fathom” them bringing their problems and the associated barbarism with them? Seriously? Did you think they just go through some magical metamorphosis when the enter a new country as refuges? Yet you call JH prejudiced.

      • partridge wrote:
        “The difference between this article and your rantings is that his is backed up by facts.

        Your gut feeling might have been right, but if it wasn’t backed up by facts – it is a prejudiced opinion. Pre-judged. You decided they were guilty before they committed a crime.”

        Actually, Partridge, everything I wrote about Muslim culture was based on facts. Facts provided by Muslim’s themselves. One simply has to pay attention. Everything that happend in cologne would have been predictable to the authorities if they had listened to those who were raising concerns.

        Partridge, consider this scenario.

        Me: partridge, stop smoking cigarettes. I’ve noticed that many people who smoke cigarettes cough a lot, have yellow teeth, and are prone to heart attacks.

        You: I’ve never met anyone who died from a heart attack caused by smoking, so what you are saying is not factual. No one who has ever died from a heart attack has EVER told me to quit smoking; you are just making things up.

        Later: (in the Intensive care unit)

        Me: Partridge, I’m sorry to hear about your heart attack. I just stopped by the hospital to see if you needed anything while you are recovering. I told you smoking was bad for you, but you thought I was just making things up. I hope you are going to quit your two pack a day habit now.

        You: James, when you were ranting about cigarettes being bad for me, you didn’t back it up with facts so I didn’t believe you. Why weren’t you more clear? I had a heart attack because YOU did not provide the proper FACTS. YOu never gave me the name of anyone who died due to smoking. You never showed me anyone who had a heart attack caused by smoking. Why did you keep these things from me?

        Me: I thought it was kind of obvious. There were TONS of studies showing that cigarettes were harmful. There were people dying every day…it has been in the news for 50 years now that smoking kills.

        You: Well, now that it’s happened to me, I guess I will at least cut down.

        So, Partridge. In the future, if someone tells you something that is already common knowledge amongst most thinking people, perhaps you should consider why you are hearing what you are hearing. It has been widely known that countries that are predominantely muslim, treat women like crap; like chattel, and that their religion demands women who have been rapped are stoned to death unless there are 4 male witnesses who say she was raped.

        You say you are horrified by the attacks in cologne, but if you been paying attention for any period during the last 50 years or so, you could at least admint you were not surprised. You mix young Muslim men with a bunch of European women not wearing a body-bag, and what you will get is cologne.

        Try not to be surprised next time. I can’t give you all the FACTS you seem to demand, but hopefully what happened in Cologne is your wake-up call. folks like me don’t just write stuff to tick you off.

        We’re trying to warn you.

    • Isn’t Mr. Gilmore a conservative?

      • Hahaha! Have you read anything else he has written? Scott Gilmore is cranky and righteous. He does suffer idiots. He spent a lot of time in Afghanistan. I don’t believe he is a fan of the right.

        • He’s a member of the Conservative Party – it’s in his disclosure.

          • Okay. Does that mean the women in Cologne and Sweden were not sexually assaulted? Exactly what is your point? The article Gilmour wrote a few weeks ago said the west had nothing to fear from Muslims and according to you he was a member of the Conservative Party as that point as well.

          • I was responding to James Halifax.

          • I don’t care what one’s “Bio” says. Simply being a Conservative doesn’t mean you are always correct.

            it is only the Liberals who assume that they alone are always correct. The very fact that Scott could finally admit that there may be cause for concern; apparently changing his mind, is probably the best evidence I’ve seen so far that he may have a Conservative bent.

            Liberals don’t change their minds. they KNOW they are always right.

    • Very well describing the two faced beliefs of so many Liberals. Thank you.

  2. Any of the refugees or immigrants that have committed a serious crime here or elsewhere should not be in this country, that includes going overseas to join the evil ib the middle east

    • As has been mentioned in the article above…..kicking someone out after they step foot in Canada is next to impossible, and certainly very expensive.

      We can thank our learned (and unelected) Supreme court for that travesty. They judged that once anyone was in Canada, they were entitlted to the same protections and rights as a Canadian citizen. That is why we can’t send terrorists or terror supporters back to the shitholes they came from.

      • As we saw with the two attacks in Oct 2014, sometimes that shithole is Canada.

        • Certainly and it is only right that we keep the ones we birthed and raised to be S*itholes but the ones who came here as s*itholes, I am all for deporting, especially when they group in gangs and harass little girls.

          • Exactly right. If we grew ’em, we get to keep them. But if someone comes here and commits violent acts, they shouldn’t be here any longer than it takes us to bundle them onto the next plane home, wherever that might be.

        • Keith,
          If they are born here, we have no choice in the matter. We have to keep them.

          In the cases where they were NOT born here……”return to sender”

          that is the issue.

  3. Scott writes: “New arrivals have a responsibility to live up to our social and cultural standards.”

    Isn’t this something the Liberal government should have thought about before they decided to import 25,000 ‘new arrivals’ from a violently, disrupted culture? Women living in that culture are not considered equal. How can we change that? We can lecture them, of course, and hope their children learn from Canadians and ignore their parents…oh, that’s going to work!

    As it is, the government’s thinking didn’t even go as far as finding places to house 10,000, let alone 25,000. And don’t blame the ‘new arrivals’ for their culture, they’ve had it longer than Canada’s been a country.

    When the actions in Cologne are in the streets of Canada, it will probably be election time again…better change that first-past-the-post thing quickly, JT or you won’t be in the cat-bird seat for long…

    • Chuck,

      the Liberals would have said anything to get elected; and indeed they did. They promised something for everyone, and this inlcuded multiple trips to extremist Islamic mosques in Toronto, Montreal, or Vancouver. But hey..it worked. I think the LIberals got around 90% support of Muslim’s in Canada in the last go-round.

      Mission accomplished for the Liberal party. Of course, it will be the rest of us that pay the price for it. (mainly the women)

    • We are bringing in 25,000 out of over 4,000,000. There has been a screening process and (I hope!) they were made aware of the laws etc of the country they were agreeing to move to. It is a lot easier to assimilate 25,000 hand-picked and brought in under controlled circumstances than 1,000,000 who essentially stormed the gates.

      Most of the 1,000,000 Muslims living here now have integrated well into our society. There are minorities from each cultural group we have allowed in who find it hard to adjust – and the bigger the gap, the harder that process.

      Like Scott Gilmore, I agree that they have a responsibility to make an effort to become part of our social fabric. We need to do a better job of teaching them that responsibility. But that teaching can’t come from a place of hate, if we want it to actually work. If we show them hate, if we tell them they are unwanted, they are far more prone to withdraw into their own groups and harden their views – even radicalize. It doesn’t work it it remains Us and Them; it has to somehow get to an all-inclusive We.

      In the broader scheme of things, Canada probably does need to look at certain countries and be VERY selective about who we allow in from those lands. We may need to look at how we evaluate whether or not someone is ready to take that step to becoming a citizen. We may need to make it easier to remove someone who is not yet a citizen (but no – we must NOT create different classes of citizen; you either are, or you aren’t – and if you are, then you get treated as anyone else).

      And – emergencies and courts excepted – we need to stop making it easier for immigrants to continue using the language of their former country; i.e.stop spending government money on translating things into non-official languages (and, while it’s their money, I’d prefer if businesses did the same). This seems to be on the rise (at least in the GTA) among municipalities and school boards in particular and it is NOT helping.

      I really don’t care what your race or religion is – as long as you are willing to learn and follow our laws and customs, and speak the primary official language of the region where you choose to live, then Welcome. If not, maybe you need to rethink your choice. Because I am a culturalist. You can keep aspects of your own culture that don’t clash with the mainstream, but otherwise you need to adapt. That’s no less than I would do, if I chose to live elsewhere.

      • “Most of the 1,000,000 Muslims living here now have integrated well into our society.”

        Keith, what does that mean? I recall the interview with a quiet Muslim who, when asked. “Really, really, do you think Canada could become a Sharia law country.” He replied. with a grin, “We are very patient people.”
        When ever, anywhere, have these immigrants been publicly asked, “Would you be happy if Canada established Sharia Law Courts?” Publicly, they could never answer ‘No’ because that could be thought of as blasphemy.
        Thus, without publishing a new democratic Islamic Qu’ran, taught openly by all imams in government-funded Canadian madrasas, then, a future Islamic Canada isn’t too far fetched.

        It’s well worth repeating Scotts final sentences:
        “New arrivals have a responsibility to live up to our social and cultural standards. If they can’t, we have a responsibility to send them away.”

      • But there’s a troubling subsurface here. Before WWII, millions of Italians and Germans immigrated to North America. Only a very tiny number of those returned back to Europe to fight for Italy and Germany in WWII, compared to the number of Western-born Muslims who have either committed or plotted atrocities against the West (Charlie Hebdo, the Toronto 18, the Paris nightclub shootings) or have emigrated back to the ME to wage war against Christians, Jews, and other Muslims.
        That said, I agree with you that there needs to be greater emphasis on integration and assimilation.

      • Keithbram

        You say and I fully agree…”Like Scott Gilmore, I agree that they have a responsibility to make an effort to become part of our social fabric. We need to do a better job of teaching them that responsibility. But that teaching can’t come from a place of hate, if we want it to actually work. If we show them hate, if we tell them they are unwanted, they are far more prone to withdraw into their own groups and harden their views – even radicalize. It doesn’t work it it remains Us and Them; it has to somehow get to an all-inclusive We.”
        I had a teachable moment with two of my staff many years ago. He was causing difficulties for the female manager. I only got involved when my project was not progressing on time. I spoke to each one of them separately and then together. The female manager happened to be chinese and not comfortable with speaking up. She finally told me that the muslim tech was not taking direction and following her instructions. He was intent on doing the work his way. So her solution was to work double time to carry his load rather than speaking to me. The muslim tech was not comfortable taking direction from a female and spent his time rationalizing why his approach was much better. So I called them both into my office and laid my cards on the table. I had cause to dismiss them both. The manager was warned that if this happened again she would be replaced with a more competant manager. And the tech was warned that this is Canada and if he couldn’t bring himself to have a respectful and businesslike conversation with women, he would have a difficult time finding employment anywhere let alone in the company. Problem solved.

      • JamesHalifax writes: “There has been a screening process and (I hope!) they were made aware of the laws etc of the country they were agreeing to move to”

        With respect, I don’t think that the problem has ever been a lack of awareness of Western laws. When 1,000+ people organize en masse to break those laws, and the police are so outnumbered they cannot or will not respond, the problem is not ignorance but defiance of law. The thugs who assaulted women in Germany and Sweden knew what they were doing and they knew it was a violation of our social norms. The ultimate target was not just the women they assaulted but the society whose norms they violated. It was an act of war, pure and simple. The pusillanimous governments tried to cover it up for precisely that reason. They are still covering up the whole story. Organized actions like that must have left a trail (in social media etc.) but we have heard nothing about it. Instead the narrative is that asylum seekers need to educated about cultural differences. What a crock. As if a culture that wraps women in veils needs to be taught about sexual restraint! This was not a sex crime (though it may have been that too). It was a hate crime. Merkel is misrepresenting it in a desperate attempt to save her narrative about migrants and to try to rescue her ailing political career.

      • Keith noted:

        “Most of the 1,000,000 Muslims living here now have integrated well into our society.”

        Ok, Keith, you write “most” but go to this link and scroll down until you hit the section for Canadian Muslim’s.

        https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Terrorism

        You will note the line which reads,

        “The study,[34] conducted by the MacDonald Laurier Institute, found 65% of Muslims questioned said they would “repudiate absolutely” the terrorist organization, while 35% would not do so.”

        Ok, Keith, let’s test your math skills. What is 35% of 1,000,000?

        well, it is 350,000 (Three hundred and fifty THOUSAND). So yeah, the majority of Muslim’s in Canada disavow extremism, but 350,000, will not. Now, another line in the study notes:

        ” The report also states support for extremism is just as high among Muslims born in Canada, or other Western countries, as it is among those hailing from oppressive dictatorships.[35]”

        So where does that leave us Keith? Well, we have hundreds of thousands Muslim’s in Canada who support terrorism. Not sure of what percentage would actually want to take action and commit a terrorist act, but let’s be conservative and say it is only 1%. That leave 3,500 Muslim’s in Canada who would be willing to commit a terrorist act.

        Too high? Ok, let’s make it 1/10th of 1% who would take action and commit terrorism against Canada. Still leaves 350 folks running around who are williing to cause trouble.

        So, Keith…..nothing in what you wrote is worth reading, unless you consider the reality of Muslim’s in Canada. Even muslim’s born here. Do you really think a two-day course will teach someone who supports Al Queda, to suddenly want to read up on Anne of Green Gables?

        as I have written repeatedly. It’s the ISLAM stupid.

        and for the record, Keith, most of refugess we have already accepted were approved under the former Government. And many of them were from religous minorities, includeing many Christians. the problem of course, will be the Liberals trying to fill their “promised quota” at the appropriate deadline. They will take shortcuts in order to provide Justin some soundbites.

        I just hope it isn’t some innocent commuters in T.O. that pay for his hubris.

  4. Thank you…… It is reasonable to criticize culture. You remind us that “When refugees arrive in Western countries, they bring with them violent and sexist cultural attitudes that contributed in part to the mess they fled. ”
    It behooves the Western country to “lay down the law” as to what is their cultural norm and not to bend over backwards to “accomodate backward ideals” that we have long ago thrown aside. For example I am a strong believer in banning burkas and any face covering in any public building. Making this accomodatiion (as a religous issue) is an abonimation of the highest order. The young children of refugees need good role models to be good Canadians.
    In the 1950’s the Italians and Greeks immigrants routinely assaulted their wives and children, as was their right back in the homeland and a neighbour of mine, aged 16 was stabbed by her father for sneaking out to a school dance. More recently and just a few years ago we had the heartbreaking story of Jesse from BC who was lured back to India by her family where she was murdered, for daring to go against her families wishes and marrying.
    On that note, I just read an article about one of the early Syrian refugees and how they were settling in. A young mother and father and their 2 children 6 and 4, one of whom has cancer. One thing caught my eye. The mother was concerned about the Regent Park swimming pool. She was concerned that men and women went swimming together.
    My gawd…..I can’t relate to that at all.
    Bottom line is that here in Canada, social services have a big job to do. Stop trying to accomodate.

  5. One should be careful about the use of made-up facts. The reference to Vermont for instance: Vermont is a gun nut’s paradise with gun deaths outnumbering traffic deaths; also, Vermont is running 8th among states for murders of women – Vermonters are quite happy to engage in domestic violence quite frequently using guns. Importing a bunch of trigger happy gun nuts may also create social issues. Then there’s those Irish ruffians of 100 years ago that were equally discriminated against as Indians and blacks – at various times they were all rounded on occasions where they attempted entry to public places or places of business or just to remind them that hard work for minimum reward was all they deserved. It’s odd that past mistreatment of immigrants is morphed into a justification for discrimination. Adaptation to social norms in a new country is hard; however, the counter argument is there are more than enough home grown red necks and bigots to go around. Misogyny is not a recent import either – something worth remembering on only the 100th anniversary of women’s suffrage; we still need more women’s shelters – more than ever according to some – apparently even fine upstanding ‘real Canadians’ can be wife beaters too. Quite a few Nth generation Canadians could tune up their social values. Somewhere in the so called good book, there’s pointed advice about finding fault in others while ignoring our own – it’s a classic.

    • Then you missed the point of the article completely. The point was that it is absolutely legitimate to criticize backward cultures and demand they shed their archaic beliefs when they enter our country. Period. That our own country still has flaws, that its own history contains similar examples of barbarism, does not in any way excuse us from demanding that newcomers suppress some of their darker cultural impulses. Forget the mosaic; not every culture was created equal. If you’d seen half the shit I saw before coming here, you’d be glad at least one national columnist is willing to address this point.

  6. Given the author’s skepticism about individuals that have Arabic as their first language, one must wonder how he feels about French, Cree, Ojibway, Innu, Oji-cree, Atikamekw, etc or even Polish. The notion that we should prize immigrants from the British Commonwealth above all others is tired and, one would hope, worn out. Perhaps the author might join the voices of many in BC who complain about the social disorder caused by Chinese immigrants with a predilection for expensive real estate.

    • GeraldR….What??? The author only wrote the truth. The men in those countries like Syria have been given a lot of latitude when it has come to their treatment of women. A young man from Afghanistan told me his family member didn’t like Canada because the police arrested you if you beat your wife. They were raised differently. It is a fact. The incidence in Cologne, other cities in Germany and Sweden have shown this to be true. We as Canadians will have to teach them that Canada does not accept the behavior.

  7. Excellent article Scott Gilmore. Some will find they don’t like Canada because of our restrictive laws in terms of how women are to be treated but the children hopefully will be integrated and learn it isn’t okay to be disrespectful to the opposite sex. In the meantime, the police will be diligent. We have had refugees from the middle east and they have had to learn. I feel nothing but sorrow for what those women in Cologne, other cities in Germany and Sweden experienced. It must been very frightening. I hope it never happens again.

  8. Given a couple of years or so, everything will balance out in the end and the refugees who stay if the Middle East becomes relatively peaceful, will become excellent citizens whose children will become true Germans or Canadians socially and economically, depending on where refugees land.
    As for single and unmarried refugees who refuse — refuse — to conform to values of the new country, send them home without access to the courts.

  9. Exactly, the main reason people (who are not all refugees) are fleeing these countries is because they are fundamentally broken. It would have been a good idea to not let Syria descend into chaos, but it’s too late now. Germany, letting in tens of thousands of men from these backwards countries is shooting itself in the foot, they will cause problems for generations.

  10. “After they land we have well-developed cultural integration training, designed to explain the law of the land.”

    Well-developed blah, blah, blah, eh? You sound like a university human resources boffin. You also miss the point. The people who committed those assaults in Cologne (and Hamburg, and Stuttgart, and Sweden) already knew “the law of the land.” They knew they were committing a crime. That was why there were 1,000 of them there doing it. They orchestrated and organized. Women reported that there men in baseball caps giving instructions. This was not an instance of cross-cultural miscommunication (as if the perpetrators would look puzzled and say “you mean… that’s unacceptable here? Oh! Sorry!”). It was an outright assault on values and a host nation that the assailants despise. The naivete of your comment defies belief. No wonder people are driven to vote for Donald Trump (I am not saying he is good, just pointing out how abysmal his opposition is). Face facts. The asylum seekers (and other immigrants) who committed these crimes do not love Western values and never will.

  11. No. Germany’s REAL problem (and it seems to be rather endemic everywhere these days) is that there aren’t a bunch of men in hospital right now. I’m serious. If I was out with a date and some guy, and I don’t care what ethnicity he appeared to be… grabbed my date’s whatever… he’d have a broken nose. Yes, maybe I’d get the stuffing kicked out of me in the process and wind up in the hospital myself. I’m no warrior. But, somebody should end up in the hospital after an attack like that. Somebody besides the girls that got raped. That’s the problem.

    Yes, some cultures don’t support equal rights and that can make for problems when people move. Yes, everyone has the right to be themselves without fear of violence. But, there are always going to be idiots that don’t get this, everywhere, from every ethnic group. Local or immigrant, it doesn’t matter to the victims. It’s not going to stop unless we’re willing to put ourselves on the line and STOP IT when it’s happening.

    The point I’m trying to make is that western culture is broken. We’ve been so conditioned to waiting for help, to worry about doing something and being sued, about getting the perfect youtube video, that we don’t DO anything about it. A bunch of angry men running around the next day, smashing windows, assaulting random ethnic people… they’re just a bunch of racist pigs. But, on the night when this went down, there should have been a riot. There should have been streams of ambulances taking men away to hospital, and the soul-searching should have been about why so many asylum-seekers got into fights with the locals that night. Maybe, after investigation, the pattern of assault and immediate response would hopefully come to light, Maybe it would just be dismissed as racial prejudice, with tears for all those asylum-seekers being victimised again by angry German men. Whatever. If enough of those idiot gropers had ended up in hospital that night, it wouldn’t happen again. The right people would have had their noses broken and I wouldn’t be writing this, calling those German men cowards.

    If it comes down to it, let’s hope we can do better in Canada. Probably not, but we can hope.

    • You will notice that this type of thing doesn’t happen in Texas, or other areas of the USA with a large number of muslim men.

      Why?

      Oh..maybe it has something to do with the fact that if you attack an American woman..IN AMERICA, there is a good chance she will pull out her gun and shoot you in the face.

      Germany should allow their women to carry guns. The next time Muhammed, Mahammed, and Mohanmed grab her breasts…they all get plugged.

  12. Is Dr. Gilmore turning into Mr. Steyn? (that would be Mark Steyn, previously of Macleans before it became more like MacLoons)

    Mr. Steyn wrote of the effect of a certain, ah, culture upon their new homes in the West, but his message apparently was not welcomed by Those Who Know Better Than the Rest of Us.

    http://www.steynonline.com/7428/it-still-the-demography-stupid will give the reader the straight goods, to save waiting for Dr. Gilmore and Dr. Merkel and all the other “Doctors” to finally complete their transmogrification into Mr. Steyn, most likely several years too late.

  13. “Germany, like most countries in the EU, must defuse a demographic time bomb as its population ages and the number of taxpayers funding the social safety net decreases”

    Then Why not simply encourage and financially support your own people to have babies for the sake of their country and future ?
    you really think replacing your own people with hordes of third world savages who are brainwashed from the birth to hate you and your standards of life is a good idea ?! do you really think that these people will easily cooperate and integrate and come under your laws ?! adapt to your way of living ? respect you and your country or at least your generosity at housing them ? and work for your country ? there are still millions of decendants of these immigrants in america and other countries that even after generations , and decades or even centuries haven’t adapted to the host country and still remain alien to it and its way of life , consider its majority population as different to themselves and sometimes hate them like the islamic extremists or black gangster groups and are always wiling to participate in criminal organizations and acts against people.

    immigrants/Refugees don’t guarantee our future and evidently they are more of a threat than benefit to it !!!

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