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Vancouver Sun, Dec. 7, 2008. A self-described non-political person, Kathleen Chafe didn’t vote for Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s Conservatives in the last federal election — but that didn’t stop her from saying she was Tory yesterday. The 23-year-old Vancouver corporate headhunter was one of about 250 people who braved yesterday’s rain to show support for the Conservatives at the Rally for Canada at Library Square — one of several similar rallies held nationwide … Minister of Public Safety Stockwell Day said the message is clear. “Canadians want to send a strong message that they don’t want to see a coalition,” said the Okanagan-Coquihalla MP, clad in a Team Canada hockey jersey and Vancouver 2010 scarf. “We’re saying that is enough. Canadians are responding by saying we love Canada — they are rising up.”

Barrie Examiner, Jan. 25, 2010. Getting an idle House of Commons back to work was on the minds of protesters who gathered around Memorial Square downtown, Saturday. About 150 or 300 people — depending upon who you ask — braved cold winter breezes to share their contempt for Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s proroguing of Parliament last month until after the 2010 Winter Olympics in Vancouver … Conservative MP Patrick Brown did not attend the rally due to other commitments on Saturday, but did send a representative. He suggested there were “151 people” from across the region at the event. “Out of a catchment area of half a million people, I don’t think 150 people speaks to a great rally,” he said, Sunday. “I think most residents believe this is just a partisan ploy.”

(The Sun story is not available online and was pulled from the archives via Infomart.)


 

A grand total (II)

  1. Mr Wherry, why don't you just move on? This so called protest never was worth reportage, and here we have Macleans still trying to make a few anti-Harper points on the back of a non-issue.

    • You are certainly welcome to move on if you see no value in these posts.

  2. I think our democracy is well worth reporting.

  3. Don't move on. I'm so mad it's hard to describe. I usually support conservatives but this is ridiculous. But I can't find a party to support. I don't agree with social justice so the ndp and greens are out. And I can't bring myself to support the liberals. Any non crazy third parties out there?

  4. Bawhahaha, you people are great.

  5. "Out of a catchment area of half a million people, I don't think 150 people speaks to a great rally,”

    Raindrops keep fallin' on my head
    And just like the guy whose feet are too big for his bed
    Nothin' seems to fit
    Those raindrops are fallin' on my head, they keep fallin'

    So I just did me some talkin' to the sun
    And I said I didn't like the way he got things done
    Sleepin' on the job
    Those raindrops are fallin' on my head, they keep fallin'

    But there's one thing I know
    The blues they send to meet me won't defeat me
    It won't be long till happiness steps up to greet me

    Raindrops keep fallin' on my head
    But that doesn't mean my eyes will soon be turnin' red
    Cryin's not for me
    'Cause I'm never gonna stop the rain by complainin'
    Because I'm free
    Nothin's worryin' me

  6. excanuc, the Officer Barbrady of Maclean's commenters. "Nothing to see here, move along folks".

  7. Can you define that catchment area?

  8. Never mind.

  9. Lot's of Conbot trolls about; I guess they don't have any work to do today.

  10. Mr. Wherry, I agree you need to balance your reporting on this issue. So far we have heard from the stoned-cold lovely Helena, the jilted Lisa, and now the uber-obscure Pat Brown ( and people think my name is made up). A good start, but I think you are obliged to help all of the Conservative MP's get their message out.

  11. Up with democracy! Down with justice!

  12. Social Justice idiot. Equality of outcomes. Paying others with your hardwork.

  13. Somehow, saying you're against social justice just sounds funny. Like you're in favour of social injustice.

  14. And the CAPP group keeps adding new members – now past 216 000 – up 5000 from the morning of Saturday's rallies

  15. If Mr. Wherry is looking for a new subject to dwell on, there is an international conference that was opened by our PM today in Montreal. It is very important because the efforts made there will decide how those millions of dollars donated to Haiti will be used to hopefully help that unfortunate country to make life better for it`s inhabitants.

    Maybe if I go over to check with Kady she will be live-blogging it—No she liveblogging a gathering of Libs somewhere in Ottawa. Oh well, different priorities for different people.

  16. Your avatar looks like " the uber- obscure Pat Brown ".

  17. though the percentage was very good as compared to the anti-coalition rallies of last year

    Actually, the percentages are similar…. both are about 8%.

  18. That's just the framing of it. I'm sorry for the insult above, but for someone to insuate that i'm against justice rankles. If you think it is just to forcefully take from someone to provide for someone else. I think you have a skewed sense of justice. And by calling it social justice, it gets the 1984 double speak onside. it's just the framing,

  19. "Minister of Public Safety Stockwell Day said the message is clear. ”Canadians want to send a strong message that they don't want to see a coalition,” said the Okanagan-Coquihalla MP, clad in a Team Canada hockey jersey and Vancouver 2010 scarf. “We're saying that is enough. Canadians are responding by saying we love Canada — they are rising up.”

    Oh good. I haven't heard Stockwell say something really, really, stupid in a good while now.

  20. Those stupid kids born into those poor, abusive homes should just learn to tough it out.

  21. That could be what Scott means by "good" though. 8% of 211,000 is "good" compared to 8% of 130,000.

    That said, I also rather expect that Scott is counting rally attendance as somewhere around 25,000 – 30,000 whereas you are probably counting it at around 18,000 – 23,000 – so there's that.

  22. Don't worry. Canadians can evidently pay attention to more than one crisis at a time, even if you, or the govt can't.

  23. Yep. Good thing the PM had the day free to host the meeting.

  24. Perhaps a psychic told him it'd be needed..

  25. If Scott is counting rally attendance as 25,000-30,000, then Scott is very wrong. I respect Scott's sincere and enthusiastic activism, but good intentions don't justify fudging the numbers.

  26. Dismissing the anti-prorogation rallies would be a lot easier for the Tories if so many of them hadn't trumpeted the smaller anti-coalition rallies as a clear sign of widespread discontent and voter anger.

    Their message seems to be that 20,000 people rallying for one cause is a popular uprising (and a display of their "love of Canada" – gag) but that 20,000 people rallying for another cause is such a tiny percentage of the nation that it can simply be dismissed.

    Once, 20,000 people saved Canada from the Socialists and Traitors through their willingness to make themselves heard, which is surprising, because apparently 20,000 people really ought to be ignored.

  27. But LKO, the anti-coalition rallies were about *democracy*!…

    (pause)

    Oh wait….

  28. Ya Aaron, excanuc is sick of having his nose rubbed in it

  29. Kady, Aaron:
    you have your marching orders – stop talking about things that matter to Canadians and go cover the latest sideshow distraction cooked up by our kind leaders!!

  30. That was me btw, not Scott, I was just surmising. He might not be counting it that high.

  31. efforts made there will decide how those millions of dollars donated to Haiti will be used to hopefully help that unfortunate country to make life better for it`s inhabitants.

    Yeah, maybe they can come up with a way to tie it all to efforts to get the country to sell off it's public infrastructure to corporate interests from abroad again.

    Here's a novel idea: maybe we should stop meddling in the local politics for once and let Haitians decide how the money would be best spent rather than a bunch of foreign ministers from other countries.

  32. You could always revive the Reform Party, I understand their views were similar to yours.

  33. I cant wait to see what the signs will look like!! I hope they use that same blueish theme and make them even bigger this time!

  34. Harper and the Conbots

    I think I saw them open for Devo, many years ago.

  35. Fair enough. I just checked out Scott's blog, and he hasn't made any claims about attendance being 25,000-30,000. However, I'm surprised that he thinks "rally turnout as a % of FB membership" is better than the anti-coalition rallies last year, when the percentages are almost identical.

    • A conservative who's agin fudging numbers… You do know Diamond Jim Flaherty is your fiscal leader-hoser, don't you?

    • I'm going by Ian Capstick's accounts.

      I'm also not going by those who claim the rall at Toronto for example was "only" 3000.. when even police estimates had it at 7000, and others including Steve Paikin est. at 10 000.

  36. … and the Con policy of denigrating the numbers, the charactors, and the motives of those who did show up is just brilliant!

    Look out folks, they're playing chess again. Be ready to have your checkers wiped off the board again.

  37. The Rhino Party used to have Rallys bigger than the perogies check em out!

  38. Yes, that is the RoD.

  39. LOL,

    And that's the thing. One set of rallies gets Tories all misty eyed about the wonderful democratic engagement of the blessed Canadian citizenry who just love Canada so much that they spontaneously took to the streets to defend her. Then, a second set of even larger rallies happens and Tories are all "What, there were rallies?", "No one I know thinks this is important", "20,000 people? That's what, 0.06% of the population, you can't expect me to take that seriously!!!".

    It's very annoying, to say the least.

  40. Heh – Patrick Brown was the leader of the PC Youth when I was in first year at U of T. I'm pretty sure that more than one lazy journalist came away confused when they accidentally called my roomate of the same name looking for a quote.

    (My personal favourite was when he proclaimed that Jean Charest's hair was really better suited to provincial politics anyways ;)

  41. So another day, another poll showing Conservative support plummeting. This time it's Ipsos-Reid. Here's the truly delicious part though (courtesy of Eric over at threehundredeight.com):

    One interesting breakdown was by income. For those who make less than $30,000/year, the Liberals lead with 31%, followed by the Conservatives at 27% and the NDP at 20%. For those who make between $30,000 and $60,000 per year, the Liberals lead with 33% followed by the Conservatives at 27% and the NDP at 21%. For those who make $60,000 per year or more, the Conservatives lead with 39%, followed by the Liberals at 30% and the NDP at 14%.

    So, contrary to public perception, the "Tim Horton's crowd" actually support the Liberals more than the Tories. And the NDP over-performs here. In other words, we can call Conservative supporters the "Starbucks crowd".

  42. "So, contrary to public perception, the "Tim Horton's crowd" actually support the Liberals more than the Tories. And the NDP over-performs here. In other words, we can call Conservative supporters the "Starbucks crowd"."

    Tories sneak off to Starbucks once the Timmy's photo ops are over.

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