A proof is a proof - Macleans.ca

A proof is a proof


Paul Koring finds more in the paper trail.

Sworn testimony by senior Canadian officers and rare uncensored documentary evidence contradict Defence Minister Peter MacKay’s repeated assertions that no proof exists of even a single case of a Canadian-transferred detainee abused by Afghan security forces.

In one well-documented case in the summer of 2006, Canadian soldiers captured and handed over a detainee who was so severely beaten by Afghan police that the Canadians intervened and took the detainee back. Canadian medics then treated the man’s injuries. The incident is documented in the field notes of Canadian troops, recounted in a sworn affidavit by a senior officer and confirmed in cross-examination by a general.


A proof is a proof

  1. I really don't understand why the government chose this hill to die on. It's going to make them look terrible when evidence comes out that contradicts them.

    • They have a defensibe case, it's just that MacKay can't be arsed to learn his files.

    • I really don't understand why the government chose this hill to die on.

      It's sexy enough that it keeps the media occupied and it likely won't cost Harper any support. Face it, most conservatives believe there wasn't enough torture going on.

  2. Maybe they've just become so used to always getting away with everything that…

  3. Peter MacKay?! A liar?!! Shocking!!

    • I guess their is a first/infinite time for everything Dee,,,,

  4. I'm beginning to wonder – who are the REAL scumbags?

  5. According to this handy little record of history from the Globe McKay spouted his no proof lies at least 4 times in the House…. what sanctions are available for those that are found to lie in the House? (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/mack

    "There has never been a single, solitary, proven allegation of abuse of a detainee, a Taliban prisoner, transferred by Canadian Forces.” Dec. 2 in the House of Commons

    “Mr. Speaker, there has not been a single, solitary, proven allegation of a prisoner being abused that was transferred from the Canadian Forces.” Nov. 23 in the House of Commons

    “We do want to hear from individuals who can bring forward credible, proven allegations, not just recitations of what was heard, what was passed on, what was read in reports, or what was disclosed by Taliban prisoners themselves. That is what the evidence is so far. We have not seen a single scintilla of proof.” Nov. 23 in the House of Commons

    “There has never been a single proven allegation of abuse involving a prisoner transferred by the Canadian Forces, not one.” Nov. 23 in the House of Commons

    • None. If there were any, we'd have no MPs.

  6. See, here y'all go again, assuming Peter MacKay knows his files from his briefs!

  7. That investigation by the Hague into possible war crimes might be getting a copy of this emailed to them, I suspect.

    • Give me a break.

      This might be Michael Byers wet dream, but the Hague has bigger fish to fry, and anyone who suggests that this is a real possibility does not understand the standard of proof required for a successful prosecution before the ICC.

      • The very fact that an investigation has been initiated should give Harper all the more reason to call a public inquiry into this so that he doesn't give the ICC a reason for delving on it's own. I'd be mentioning it at every turn if I was the opposition parties.

        • You mean the Liberals, who initiated the policy?

  8. Where's Andrew Coyne? He is very quiet these days.

    • He is still in shock from the smackdown his favorite PM received from Hu and Wen.

  9. Did Hillier and Gauthier not clearly testify that they did not know of any torture until the G&M Graeme Smith's article in 2007?

    Seems that this is at least the second contradiction after MacKay and Mulroney admitted that the Cons govt knew about torture allegations since they took power. Also, did the Generals not testify that Colvin never even used the word "torture"?

    About time Hillier and Gauthire be brought back to the Parliamentary Com. and asked to explain these contradictions and whether they were parsing words.

  10. HIllier and Gauthier are already retired, but they should be investigated for contempt for misleading a parliamentary committee. You'd think Mackay as a the son of a former cabinet minister and longtime MP would respect parliament enough to resign as cabinet minister without being asked, but if he doesn't then it's up to the prime minister to fire him for deliberately misleading the House and Canadians.