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Bold declaration of the night


 

Shortly after Sidney Crosby put that rubber disk into the net, the Heritage Minister officially relegated Paul Henderson, Donovan Bailey, Nancy Greene and various other victors.

Best sports moment in Canadian history –>end of debate


 

Bold declaration of the night

  1. Are we supposed to be surprised?

    • The end of debate part surprised me a little.

      • I was referring mostly to the notion that James Moore makes an absolute declaration and then says "end of debate" as unsurprising.

        Crosby's goal was a great moment in the 2010 Games (one of many IMO), but I wouldn't call it the best sports moment in Canadian history.

  2. Given the sport, the player, the opponent, the location, the team's path to the game, the emphasis the country put on the game, the game itself and the fact that it capped off our best performance at the Winter Olympics by setting a new record for gold medals won in any Olympic Winter Games, I can't help but agree!

    Yes other moments in Canadian sports have been historic and inspiring, but just this once, screw being disturbingly polite and politically correct – GO CANADA!

  3. And he's 100% correct.

    What on earth could top winning our record breaking Gold medal by beating the US for hockey gold in OT?

    • I don't know, but beating the U.S., in the U.S., to end a 50 year Gold medal drought after only winning one game in the round robin (by BARELY beating Germany) seems to be a contender moment to me.

  4. I agree.

    In 72, we beat the Russians, in 2010, we beat the Russians and we beat the US for the gold on home ice. And while those other moments with Bailey and Greene were great, they were individual sports, while this was for the country's national team sport.

  5. I hate people who automatically claim that every new moment is the GREATEST MOMENT EVER. Usually, it's just another good moment. But this time you can certainly make the argument. I say we slot it in at No. 2 behind Henderson, give it a couple weeks and then see how we feel. Who's with me? My instinct is that it's neck and neck. The one element this one lacked was the hostility and sense of wounded pride that fueled Canada-Russia '72. Some people don't like Americans. It's a great rivalry. But people back then HATED Russia. And they feared them.

    • Could it be that another generation has come along and hardly remembers the Russia/Canada series and doesn't know who Henderson is. I was actually young at the time and can hardly remember it.

      So lets not get too excited about who is the best and enjoy the moment folks. It was a great game and we did it on home ice and won the most gold medals for a host country. Lots to be proud of. Leave the who's best for another day.

      • I don't remember the 72 Summit and Id on't want to. This is new generation, a new greatest momement

    • Feschuk for Heritage Minister!

    • That was the greatest comment ever.

    • Isn't it possible that Moore is too young to remember those other moments. He is what, 30, 32? And let's face it, history is not HarperCo's strong suit, now is it?

    • I hate people who unilaterally declare debate ended after they have expressed their own opinions.

      Having said that, it was a damned fine moment in the history of Canadian sport.

    • I've said it below, but I just don't see this ever comparing to '72. The Canadian team got BOOED OFF THE ICE when they lost that first game in Canada. Players were taking penalties that got them KICKED OUT OF THE GAME. At one point, a coach threw a chair on to the ice. There were worries about whether or not the KGB were going to try to mess with the team, and as to the role of the Red Army "guards" supposedly there to "protect" them from the crowds.

      I know we're friends with the Russians now, but has everyone really forgotten how freakin' SCARY the Soviet Union was back in the day? Say what you will about the intensity and drama of the 2010 Olympics, but I never questioned whether or not all of Canada's players would come back from the tournament alive!

  6. It depends entirely on your criteria. Our hockey team narrowly edging, on home ice, a less-talented American team is not a more impressive feat than, say, Donovan Bailey becoming the fastest man on the planet.

    Now, in terms of "meaning" or "importance" to "Canada," obviously this "matters" more. But it seems a bit early to say this resonates more than something that's been resonating for 38 years.

    • Also, this victory is missing a key ingredient that the'72 series had: Baby boomers in their youth.

      Without that demographic, who will lord this over future generations?

      James moore can't do it alone!

  7. I'd never say "end of debate" when people haven't made up their minds – it sounds disturbingly similar to "settled science".

    But I have to say – final moment of the final competition of the Olympics, in our national sport, on home territory, sealing the final gold in the best-ever Winter Olympic gold haul – that's pretty damn good. And being against the US, our biggest rival but simultaneously our closest friend? Way better than taking down the USSR amidst all the bitterness and enmity of '72. Particularly after having first lost to the US in a heartbreaker and then making a long-odds comeback that included completely destroying the Russians.

    Definitely the best moment of the best Olympics I've ever seen.

    • I agree with the best Olympic moment in Canadian history, the country was on the edge of its seat. Not sure about the best in Canadian sports history though, Henderson's goal still ranks at number one for me.

    • Particularly after having first lost to the US in a heartbreaker and then making a long-odds comeback.

      I'd say the '72 comeback was WAAAAY more dramatic. Sure, losing to the U.S. and winning the next three games was a great comeback, but in 1972 we lost 3 of the first 5 games (with one tie and one Canadian win), and had to then come back by winning all three remaining games, IN THE SOVIET UNION to win the tournament.

      Sure, losing that first game against the U.S. this year was disappointing, but when the Canadians lost that first game in 1972, it was an UTTER SHOCK. The Canadian crowd booed the Canadian team off the ice.

      Winning an intense eight game series against a mysterious and shockingly accomplished rival whose country may of may not want you and your compatriots all dead? It's just way more dramatic. The miracle in 2010 was that we won the gold. The miracle in 1972 is that no one was killed.

      Then again, as I've said, I'm not even totally convinced yet that 2010 beats 2002.

  8. No comparison to an eight game series, where Canada HAD to win the last three games in the USSR (not Russia) and Henderson scoring with 34 seconds left for Canada to win 6-5. That was 38 yrs ago. Moore wasn't even born then. To live through it is quite different than watching highlight reels.

    • I watched the "72 series. Moore is right, although its a close call.

      • Me too. No comparison. The Soviet Union was deep in the cold war, and largely closed off to the west. They were the perennial world champions, and their style of play and cross training was largely unknown to the west, as were their players. Canada had for years claimed it was the real world champions – the Soviets were in fact pros plating for teams such as the Central Red Army. It was only because our pros were not allowed to play competitively that the Soviets prevailed. It was years, I believe, before any Soviet player ever put on skates for an NHL team.

        I remember that first game in Montreal. Two quick goals, Canada was up 2-0 and everyone was sensing a rout. Then things started to turn. The Sovites settled down, and went on to win 7-3. The country was in shock the next day…

        This is completely different. The Canadian team knew every player on the opposite side intimately.They play with them and against them tens if not hundreds of times. Canada's pros have been playing internationally and in the Olympics for many many years now, with mixed successes.

        Yes, last night was exciting and the emotions ran the gamut for what, half an hour , an hour tops tops between when the US tied and Canada won in overtime?

        Come back and see how you feel after the next Stanley Cup playoffs.

  9. It figures Wherry has to post some snarky stuff after such a truly wonderful day.

    • So like a CON upper-management stuffed shirt — time to get a new one out of the closet, James! — to dictate what's 'hot' and then cut off debate/questions/prorogue the discussion…

      • Maybe you can find anything positive that Wherry posted about the Olympics, I cannot find any.

        • Moore was the one attempting to revise history, not AW. It's news, grow up.

          • BS… It was a great moment in Canadian sports history by anyone's standards. Revision of history? That's a bit much. You telling others to "grow up" is ridiculous.

            This should not be political at all.

            Excuse me if I happen to think it might have been nice not to turn a great moment, a great day, into the usual partisan blog crap we see far too much of.

          • My point is it's news…Moore made the assertion…let him defend it, or just say it was the excitement of the moment…admittedly a more likely reason then anything political on his part. Your the one getting your knickers in a knot over AW coverage of a minor news intem.

          • Actually I'd be delighted to hear Wherry express his own thoughts on the day.

  10. I'm still waiting for the PMSH regime to have their 1st good moment!

  11. I was alive for Greene, Henderson and Bailey. Those were GREAT.

    But today and this whole week has been truly amazing.

    Greene won in Grenoble. Most Canadians did not see it live. Was thrilled to see it, after having heard she did it.

    Henderson scored while I was in school, it was not on a TV but the intercom. HUGE moment. I can still hear Foster's voice.

    Bailey I saw live on TV. WONDERFUL!

    Crosby scored in hockey, our game, in overtime, at home,before likely the biggest audience in Canadian history.

    Hockey trumps most everything in this country. It always will.

  12. Well perhaps. I have to admit, it was before my time so I may be unable to appreciate it properly.

  13. Also before my time but I remember watching the series when I was young on VHS and being glued to the TV watching the end of game eight. Once I got older wanted to learn more about the Cold War and more about the Summit Series, the tension at the time and all the things that happened being the scenes makes you understand how important that goal was.

  14. Well, there's nothing this government likes more than shutting down debate…

  15. Even beyond '72… have we all forgotten the '87 Canada Cup already? The final game against the Soviets?

    • I was thinking about that one too. Such a classic: not just putting the final exclamation mark on a rivalry that would never be the same afterward, not only winning the tournament on a last goal, but how can you beat 'Gretzky to Lemieux, he shoots, he scores'.

      Well, 'Iginla to Crosby, he shoots he scores' does top it in my mind. Not as beautiful a goal, but certainly bigger. Just look at the reaction across the country, pouring into the streets.

      • This was a moment for the ages, particularly for this generation…now they have their own 72 or 87 story. For my generation it was 87. Interesting intergeneration bragging point. Which team was more talented? This one – amazing team work – or 87 – Gretzky, Lemieux, Messier, Anderson, Gilmore Bourque, Coffey all in their prime, and great checking lines too.

        • That was good too. So was the Red Army-Montreal Canadiens game on New Year's Eve 1982. That may have been the single best hockey game ever played to a tie. But yesterday's game will be remembered longer.

  16. Fantastic moment. Iginla to Crosby… simply a great happening. On home ice and vs. our main rival, who had tied it up.

    However, as Olympic performances go, its doesn't quite reach the level of the 100m finals in Atlanta and Donovan Bailey. Consider that a Canadian stockbroker who took up sprinting part time in his 20s set the world record in the finals of the premier event of the Summer Games… arguably the premier event in international sports (remember that Usain Bolt kid?). Just 5 or 6 years after starting to compete in track, a Canadian became the World's fastest man and won gold. Add to this the fact that his performance removed some of the stain of the Ben Johnson scandal in the same event and it's hard to top.

    But this debate is like asking which do you like better, a big chocolate cake or a box of chocolates? Crosby and crew pulled the nation from groaning disbelief at the end of regulation to unabashed exuberance with a pass and shot. And it was fantastic to see.

  17. While we all bask in the afterglow it is tough to picture anything topping this. I was ove the moon with the win, however, in terms of being remembered generally as the greatest moment, I have my doubts for a couple of reasons, none of which has anything to do with actual substance and excitement of the moment.

    1. Unlike 1972 and 1987, this wasn't just a hockey tournament, It was part of a larger story – The Olympics, and while there was a sense a month ago, that hockey gold trumped everything, this was before we all met the Bilodeau's, the Rochette's, the Virtues and Moirs. The Olympics have a way of developing new heroes. Will that goal be everyone's favourite memory? Maybe, but it won't be the only one.

    2. EVERYTHING, and I mean EVERYTHING, is hyped now. Yesterday deserved hype, but every World Junior, every World Championship, every Stanley Cup, every Pittsburgh/Washington game. It's tough, at least from a publicity point of view to discern what's real and what's not. Yesterday's was no doubt real, but the hype machine is always out in full force and is maxed out, so its tough to get to that extra level anymore.

    For the record, I'm not a jerk. Yesterdays game was the best moment I've witnessed hockey wise in my 27 years on the planet – of course I'm a Leafs fan, so not exactly a high bar – but from a cultural perspective, I find it tough to beleive that this will top some of the other things we've seen, some of which were rooted in politics as well.

  18. I've got to say, as great as yesterday was I'm not sure I see see how it compares to '72. Eight games in a row against a rival we thought we were going to dominate and who pushed us around pretty hard. A rival we not only hated but thought might want to kill us all. Having to win the final game, in the SOVIET UNION after wining only one of the first four games.

    Say what you will about our latest triumph, but our players weren't booed off the ice when they lost that first game against the Americans. Nobody got a match penalty or got ejected from any of the games. No referees lives were threatened, directly or indirectly. I don't recall any chairs being thrown on to the ice. And I'm pretty sure no one was the least concerned that the CIA might try to poison our players, or that if things got out of hand that the U.S. Marines supposedly guarding our team from the rabid, hostile fans might actually open fire on our team!

    Yesterday was awesome, but I'm not ready for the debate to end by any means. Not just yet.

    I'm not even 100% sure that it beats winning gold in 2002, against the U.S., in the U.S., for the first time in exactly 50 years, after losing 5-2 to Sweden in the round robin, only beating Germany 3-2 and tying the Czechs 3-3.

    • Yeah people have a short memory, after Nagano the 02 win was huge. Still, this one's the moment for this generation.
      Didn't the Canadian team also have to form a bodyguard for Eagleson in that series – astonishing?

  19. "end of debate" …..spoken like a true Con. But then they are known for narrow horizons and delusions of self importance.
    Speak for yourself James!
    Another example is the wretched Blatchford over at the Globe/CTV site claiming:
    "These Games were everything a human can feel" …. speak for yourself Christie
    The games were great, and had major ups and downs but this form of triumphalism is most unbecoming as the folks in Haiti, Chile, Gaza, Myanmar, etc etc might beg to differ about their feelings being on a par with some grief stricken Olympians and their families.

    • I rather enjoyed Christie's piece, but hey… let's read politics in everything, all the time. PUKE!

    • 'Speak for yourself James! '

      He was.
      It was a comment from a proud Canadian.
      But go ahead Liberals and their media, turn it into another 'hide the wafer' scandal…..that's all yah got.

  20. As for Moore… he's a young guy, from Vancouver, and clearly pleased with the terrific outcome, as are (no doubt) mosty Vancouverites, many young people, and Canadians overall.

    It doesn't have to be politics 24/7 for 365.

    • Agreed!

  21. I could not be more pleased then!

  22. I say this as someone not alive when Henderson scored, bu '72 was still more meaningful. More meaningful because it was against the Soviet's, and it was series outside regular international competition. This win is very similar to our win in '02 though admittedly it was more dramatic and set an Olympic record, so its bigger than that. But '72 is still more meaningful; this one was perhaps our best sporting achievement, but '72 transcended sport.

    I think Moore is getting caught up in the moment and forgetting history.

    • This win is very similar to our win in '02 though admittedly it was more dramatic.

      I get what you're saying in terms of the OT victory, but I still don't think I'm with you on "more dramatic". In 2010, we were trying to win the Gold after an eight year drought. In 2002, we were trying to win Gold for the first time in FIFTY YEARS. In 2010, we only lost one game in the round robin. In 2002 we only WON one game in the round robin having been beaten by the Swedes, tying int he Czechs and BARELY squeezing out a 3-2 victory over the Germans. Then we squeaked past a Finnish team that the Americans had beat 6-1. Maybe it's just me, but I was much more worried in 2002 that we were going to lose, even though it wasn't nearly as close on the ice.

      I do agree that I just don't think 2010 can compare to 1972. Not really.

  23. I'll agree with Moore if it will SHUT YOU ALL UP ABOUT HOCKEY for the love of all things holy…! And oh dear lord above, the World Cup chatter, the endless Stanely Cup back'n'forth – sometimes I don't know if I'd rather be trapped in an elevator with Leafs fans or Baird and Kinsella on a bad day.

    • Baird and Kinsella on a bad day! You could sell tickets to that, I'm sure!

  24. Speaking as someone who is old enough to remember the '72 series, I think I'll still stick to that one.

    The Russians had been spanking our amateurs for ages; we argued that they would be no competition for our professionals, that we would beat them handily. The first four games in Canada were a real eye-opener for Canadians, and we were on the edge of our seats by the time the series went to Russia.

    If Henderson hadn't put that puck in the net, hockey history may have evolved differently. We might not have been able to proudly declare that "Hockey is Canada's game!", if we had lost that series. I believe at the time, that's about how we felt.

    Going in to the Olympics, the Americans were ranked fifth or sixth, and our team did not play very well during the first two games; they lacked intensity. The Canadians were favored to win, and expected to win; and they did, by the skin of their teeth.

    I'm proud of our Olympic team, and winning the hockey game was the cherry on top for a terrific job done by all our athletes over the last two weeks. But, in context, I think the '72 series was far more important.

    • Also, the intensity was just so much higher in '72. People were getting match penalties and thrown out of games. At one point one of the coaches threw a chair on the ice. There was concern about KGB involvement in the series and just how the members of the Red Army supposedly guarding our players would actually react if things got terribly out of hand (i.e. would they restrain the crowd or take the opportunity to shoot some Canucks?).

      I suppose it might depend upon how one defines a "sports moment", but 1972 transcended hockey and sport, whereas 2010 was just a really great hockey game for really big stakes. At no time did I wonder if maybe the CIA were spiking the water of the Canadian team, or whether or not someone might get killed at one of the tournament's games. That's a pretty big difference.

  25. For Moore, this is the biggest moment in Canadian sports history, until there's a UFC title match in Vancouver

    • Lets not forget that Moore was probably not born when Henderson scored his great goal and the Russia/Canada series is not top of mind for him. It is silly to argue what is the greatest sports moment. They are all great in their time and place. Lets just recall that the Canadian hockey team was not a favourite going into the gold game because the Americans were undefeated. It was pretty awesome showing. Rejoice and be happy. Not let your heart be troubled.

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