'Commonplace among the the majority of law enforcement institutions' - Macleans.ca
 

‘Commonplace among the the majority of law enforcement institutions’


 

As the Star notes, the U.S. State Department has released its annual human rights reports for the countries of the world, including Afghanistan.

Human rights organizations reported local authorities tortured and abused detainees. Torture and abuse methods included, but were not limited to, beating by stick, scorching bar, or iron bar; flogging by cable; battering by rod; electric shock; deprivation of sleep, water, and food; abusive language; sexual humiliation; and rape. An April Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission (AIHRC) report stated that torture was commonplace among the majority of law enforcement institutions, especially the police, and that officials used torture when a victim refused to confess to elicit bribes or because of personal enmity. Observers report that some police failed to understand the laws regarding torture.


 

‘Commonplace among the the majority of law enforcement institutions’

  1. Don't worry! Mr. Adrian McNair will be on here shortly to explain how, naturally, the only way to get the Afghans to stop torturing people is to get them to keep torturing people — until they agree to stop torturing people! Because, let's face it, that's the kind of tough logic you have to apply in that part of the world. They're shooting soccer stadiums full of people, for Christ's sake.

    • You're not worth the waste of breath Jack.

      • Ah, but am I worth beating by stick, scorching bar, or iron bar; flogging by cable; battering by rod; electric shock; deprivation of sleep, water, and food; abusive language; sexual humiliation; and rape? That's the real question, Adrian.

        • I'd say you're definitely worth some abusive language.

          • Fortunately I can handle that. It's more when the police start cruising around in jeeps, picking up my relatives and taking them away to dark places where they're tortured, that I stop celebrating Adrian's festival of democracy.

        • Priorities Jack, priorities. AM was only yesterday telling me :
          "
          1. End of the insurgency, establishment of security
          2. Building of infrastructure, economy
          3. Democratic and human rights reforms.

          You people are all about the cart before the horse.'

          Priorities man.

          • My problem is that I don't quite trust 36-year-old pundits like Adrian to win the war in Afghanistan. I don't really believe they know much about fighting the Taliban. I just don't think that they're a bunch of Napoleons who will actually end the insurgency.

          • Quite agree. Have you been over to Terry Glavin's site [ a fellow author i'm sure you're well aware of]?
            He's worth listening to.He's been there, and is actively engaged. Most interesting is he most definitely isn't a con, yet not a fan of Colvin. I don't really agree with him on the whole…but at least he is not an armchair critic or tory drone.

      • oh come on. i am sure you have a brilliant counter in you. torture it is no biggie afterall. don't let jack off so easily!

        • heh heh…he said "jack off"…heh

          • I can't believe that you got four thumbs for B&B reference. What is this world coming to?

            … Don't do it.

  2. You are aware that "typing" is not the same as "talking" right? ;)

  3. He'd have spent more time, but he's a Canadian and — as we keep being told — Canadians don't care about this.

    • well that was more or less the value of Adrian's contribution, so I figured it was apt.

  4. As Liberals agonize over a detainee being cuffed up side the head with 'several boots':
    (from Wherry's link)

    'Reports of human rights violations were actively exploited and sometimes manufactured by the Taliban and other insurgent groups for propaganda purposes.''

    • '3. 'Afghan detainees are trained to claim torture.'From Colvin's rebuttal: Witnesses who testified that 'the Taliban are trained to claim torture' seem to be confusing Taliban insurgents (poorly educated Pashtuns, usually illiterate, with a parochial, Afghanistan‐centred agenda) with al‐Qa'ida terrorists (international jihadists, often highly educated). There is to our knowledge no Taliban equivalent of the al‐Qa'ida 'Manchester manual,' which was aimed at a sophisticated, literate audience"

      I urge any one with the time and interest to read or reread Colvin's rebuttal…it is a even more sobering read second time around, and useful context as this story unfolds. In many ways it's the reaon we're all here.

      • You said that already.

    • It's possible.

      So let's get the documents and have an investigation.

    • I take it, then, wilson, that you're okay with female detainees aged 11 and 13 being handed over to Afghan authorities to be raped? After all.. people's lives are at stake, eh?

  5. As Liberals agonize over a detainee being cuffed up side the head with 'several boots':
    (from Wherry's link)

    ''According to the Ministry of Interior (MOI),
    1,448 Afghan military personnel and
    1,954 government employees, primarily police, died as a result of the insurgency, including deaths by suicide attacks, roadside bombs, small-arms attacks, and targeted assassinations.''

    But the 'good guys' getting dead is never a media/ Liberal concern.

    • no, it's why we 're spending so much time wondering if innocent Afghans were among the detainees.

    • But the 'good guys' getting dead is never a media/ Liberal concern.

      The "why do you hate the troops?" thing is so old. Move on. The Afghan-Rendition was directed from the top. Nothing to do with the folks in the field.

    • When a Canadian soldier dies in Afghanistan (or anywhere else, for that matter), it's front-page news here. On every major daily and every major radio station and every major network. It matters. People line the bridges along the Highway of Heroes – from all political stripes, from all ages and backgrounds.

      But that's not really the point here. The Geneva Conventions don't say "you can torture if your guys are getting killed, too". It just says that torture isn't permitted. Period. Why are Canadian troops fighting in Afghanistan? It certainly isn't to build a society that accepts torture as an appropriate way to deal with suspects and insurgents.

    • Yeah, nothing wins a war that is about hearts and minds better than torturing people at random who have nothing to do with the Taliban. I'm sure that they and all of the relatives and friends are easily won over by means of "beating by stick, scorching bar, or iron bar; flogging by cable; battering by rod; electric shock; deprivation of sleep, water, and food; abusive language; sexual humiliation; and rape."

      Beyond that, what the hell are we fighting for, if not to replace a brutal and corrupt regime? Why sacrifice so many Canadian lives, not to mention dollars, to replace one ugly regime with another?

      I think that it's your type (along with the CPC) who don't care about "the 'good guys' getting dead". If you really did, you'd support actions that actually promote their safety, not those that endanger it (though they conveniently promote your political agendas).

      • You are fighting for an multi-national oil company's interests …. just like your ancestors fought for the wealth an power of past kings and queens ….. please quit trying to look to find a justification to suit your ideals ….. it does not exist!

        And please, do not tell me we fought the Germans in WWII to save the Jews …. we did not! We fought it to save the British and because the war was far more exciting and better for us then the depression.

        Indeed …. why would we fight to replace a brutal government with a corrupt one? Why Indeed. Bring our kids home! We are going to need those kids here when the US declares martial law.

        • "do not tell me we fought the Germans in WWII to save the Jews …. we did not!"

          To be fair we did not know that the Germans had death camps until the war was almost over.