Even more on the National Post!


Lawrence Martin ponders the implications.


Even more on the National Post!

  1. The National Post in the hands of a Liberal? That could never happen.

    (I hope this sucker supports html.)

  2. I am now about to waste my breath:

    The success or failure of the National Post will have little to do with ideology.

    This has been me, wasting my breath.

  3. “The success or failure of the National Post will have little to do with ideology.”

    Depends on what you mean. I don’t think the Post’s classic liberal viewpoint will be the main reason for success/failure but I believe the kumbaya ideology that’s being imposed on us by the panjandrums definitely will.

    I am shocked by how gleeful many people are at the prospect of a newspaper going out of the business.

  4. Just curious, pw, but what do you think will determine its success or failure? Is it solely market forces, or does it have some ability to save itself through the editorial or business decisions it makes — regardless of ideology?

    By the way, Martin seems to think that ideology does account for its apparent lack of readership. Which, to me, begs the question: If other papers have already cornered the centre and the left-of-centre (ie. the Globe and the Star), and ideology matters as much as Martin suggests, then how is there more room for yet another “centrist” rag?

    Seems to me that about a third of the country doesn’t agree with the Globe and the Star (if you believe ideology matters), and the National Post addresses this segment of the Canadian population. I mean — again, if ideology matters — don’t these Canadians deserve a voice in the media, too?

  5. “The success or failure of the National Post will have little to do with ideology.”

    Whahuh?. If it weren’t for the NPs shall we say distinct editorial ideology, it would have failed already. Certainly it had always failed judged as business venture.

    The Post has always been a big money loser, kept on financial life support only because its backers thought its effect to be worth the money they were constantly feeding it.

    With original founder now otherwise occupied, and others growing less interested in paying the bills for this dalliance, rumors of sale are again in the air. But to say that ideology won’t have anything to do with success or failure is bizarre; ideology was why it was founded, and why it has survived until now.

  6. Steve Smith,

    “Asper represented a right-libertarian strain within the party”

    jwl, some of that glee could come from the National Post posting excerpts from a book under the headline: Why liberals prefer raising dogs over children. Me being a Lefty, I enjoy the National Post, it is good to read people with opposing views.

  7. “(I hope this sucker supports html.)”

    he scores!

    good job

  8. kind of on topic

    back in the day “media bias” was a given and left to the reader to sort out. One of the essays in Into the Buzzsaw credits some scoundrel or scoundrels from the Chicago hey-days cooking up “bias” to downplay all the antics the press was reporting about him/them. been a while since I read it.

  9. “Which, to me, begs the question: If other papers have already cornered the centre and the left-of-centre (ie. the Globe and the Star), and ideology matters as much as Martin suggests, then how is there more room for yet another “centrist” rag?”

    Because there are way more centrists and left of centrists in Canada than Tories.

  10. Let’s facet it…The National Post has failed because Canadians, being smug and parochial and smugly parochial, are just not worthy of a newspaper of its calibre.

  11. And PW is half-correct. It wasn’t JUST ideology that killed the Post. A Conservative paper can sometimes get by if it has a good sports section and flashes some skin. The Post didn’t even have those qualities going for it.

    Furthermore, the writers, lets face it, used too many big words for a Conservative audience.

  12. Two more points,

    If the National Post is as ideologically marginalized as Martin and some here suggest, why do Liberal MP’s feel a regular need to have their editorials published on its pages? McCallum is today’s right-wing stooge of the day, by the way.

    Bigcity, you didn’t get my point, which is that other papers have already cornered that market. The only room that’s left, if you’re into this ideological stuff, is on the right. Right?

  13. Bigcity, those are mighty big words coming from someone who I don’t think has shown the intellectual ability to back them up.

    Just curious, but why do you feel a need to hate Conservatives? I thought Liberals were supposed to be tolerant? Oh well.

  14. QED

  15. But the other papers are also playing in the Rightist end, Dennis. For example, I DON’T find the Globe to be a particularly left paper, esp. on economic issues. Certainly the canoe.ca chain has already staked out some fairly heavy conservative ground, with the added advantage that they make no pretense to respectability. The Post, on the other hand…after Kinsella quit who do they have that can make a claim to being a moderate? So its ideologically monotonous and has no Girl.

    The other papers are already working that end of the spectrum and yet the Post made no effort to do the converse, even though that’s where the majority of the bodies are in Canada.

  16. “…I mean — again, if ideology matters — don’t these Canadians deserve a voice in the media, too?”

    Yeah, but whatcha gonna do? Applying for government subsidy would be just WAY too ironic.

    unless maybe, they moved to Alberta (*GtL ducks)

  17. Hey, I agree with BCL on something!

    Not the whole Canada is a lefty nation fantasy making stuff – that’s so 90s.

    They lost a ton of good writers (who’ve moved to MacLeans). But more importantly, the rest of the paper is thin gruel. Saturday editions can be thick as a sewer pipe and you’ll still be done with it 20 minutes later. To me, after the first section, the Post reads like the CBC sounds: young, yuppy and totally alien.

  18. The National Post a national newspaper? Ha ha, more like the Toronto Post, as much of the news and opinion pages are geared towards Eastern readers, featuring articles written from an Eastern perspective (who’s Dalton McGuinty and why should I care about him?) Both the Post and the Globe are guilty of being Toronto-centric, and while they claim to speak on behalf of all Canadians, I find it difficult to believe that a handful of national columnists compensate for an editorial staff and news team working out of the same building in Toronto (and that goes for both papers).

    If the Post gets a make-over, they should take it private, move the tax base to Calgary (or the Cayman’s, like Paul Martin), and make it into an authoritative Western-based daily with Eastern bureaus in Toronto and Ottawa. Not to mention redesign the horrendous website, which looks like a half-baked version of The Guardian’s. Do cross-promotions with Canwest papers, find a comparative advantage against the Globe, and get it done.

  19. Calling the Globe left, or even left-of-centre, is silly.

  20. Anyone who thinks that the Post is to the Conservative party what the Toronto Star is to the Liberal party, is spending too much time reading the New York Times.

    Despite the loss of many good people, the Post is still interesting, quirky and lively. And the FP comment page, where Lawrence Solomon’s excellent “Deniers” series was unfurled, rocks.

  21. The problem is that the Canadian market is too small to profitably support two national broadsheets.

    I like the Post’s editorial style, but the G&M’s business section is better than the Post’s, so when I subscribe I tend to suffer the lefty editorial for the sound business analysis. I don’t have time for both, so I prioritize, I bet its the same for many readers.

    The larger problem for all newspapers is that younger people are growing up without knowing the tradition of reading them. The Internet has largely supplanted the printed page with generation Z, or F, whatever they’re called this week. These younger folks don’t read as much as graze the news, cherry-picking from all sources as they are interested, or not.

    I agree with pw that ideology will have little to do with the Post’s demise, but can the same be said of the woes suffered at the NYT?

  22. The Post’s rival isn’t the Globe, it’s the tabloids. The Canoe/Sun media fold-outs are where most of the lean-or-favour-right catch their news blurbs. Canada isn’t a land bedecked with oligarchian-spouting Conrad Blacks. It just so happens that among the higher-educated class, a greater number tend to like universal health care, not approve of using photos from Nazi germany to toady a Bush administration story, or give a rats ass about Paris Hilton.
    Canada hasn’t taken to the NaPo despite some very good columnists and series, but it may have to do with a habit of its editorialists blaring down from Mt Sinai with right-wing prattle.
    So i prefer to put my qualifier to PW’s much-greater pearls of wisdom.

  23. If the Post is losing so much money, why don’t they charge more for it? It has always struck me as odd that I get the Post for $14.70 a month including taxes, whereas the Globe is $31.75.

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