Georgia/Russia: Hard to say goodbye


The commander of Russia’s invasion force says he doesn’t expect to leave Georgia for 10 days, anyway. They were supposed to be gone by tomorrow, after they were supposed to be gone on Monday, after they were supposed to be gone last week, after they were never supposed to invade in the first place.


Georgia/Russia: Hard to say goodbye

  1. I’ll be impressed/surprised if they’re gone within 10 days. And I think it’s clear they’re NEVER leaving the disputed territories.

    This is clearly just the Russians’ “victory lap”. Still plenty of Georgian weapons they can confiscate, tanks they can disable, and soldiers they can humiliate by blindfolding them and driving them through their own country handcuffed on the front of Russian tanks.

    After all, what’s the point of winning a war if you can’t humiliate and grind down the vanquished?

  2. Yeah, it always takes longer than expected doing “as-builts” of those oil and gas pipelines that by-pass Russia and run through Georgia. You know, walking the right-of-way with those GPS devices, downloading the co-ordinates, entering the data into the strategic target database back in Moscow…

    The longer they stay, the more rape and pillage, I wonder how that would affect public support for joining NATO in Georgia. I would think it would go down, no?

    The bully it seems is making a statement by staying on longer than expected.

  3. Oops,I meant public support in Ukraine where a referendum is req’d before joining NATO, as AC pointed out elsewhere.

  4. Is there any word, now that the dust is settling, on what the real casualties (esp. military) were?

  5. I don’t have links, Jack, but I believe I saw reporting that suggested each side exaggerated the human cost the other inflicted. Total killed during the first several days would number in hundreds, not thousands. Sorry I can’t dig up a link.

  6. No problem, thanks for your summary. That was my impression too. I’m just curious what the Russian victory entailed: knocking out the Georgian armour from the air? To this armchair general the reporting has seemed quite vague on the military side; the Le Monde piece here, for example, gives no idea how many Russians are stationed in Ossetia right now. I wonder if this is because it’s highly classified or because the reporters themselves (or their readers?) don’t particularly care.

  7. According to today’s AP piece:

    “In western Georgia, a column of 83 tanks, APCs and trucks hauling artillery moved away from the Senaki military base north toward the border of Georgia’s breakaway Abkhazia region on Friday afternoon.”


    “A total of 2,142 Russian peacekeepers are to be deployed on the Abkhazia de facto border, while 452 will man the South Ossetia de facto border, Nogovitsyn said.”

    Hardly overwhelming force – unless the Georgian army was tiny.

    The same article observes that “thousands of troops roared into the former Soviet republic” when Russia invaded. That’s as specific as any coverage I’ve seen in the mainstream press until today. Honestly, how can anyone have an opinion about “post-Soviet imperialism” when we don’t even know if 10 000, 50 000, 100 000, or 200 000 troops were used to invade? Not to mention tanks!

  8. TO GEORGIAN fury, Western consternation and strong support at home, Russia’s government recognised two breakaway regions of Georgia as independent countries on Tuesday August 26th. The map of Europe is different, and darker, as a result.

    The planned dispatch of Russian diplomats to open embassies in Sukhumi and Tskhinvali, the main cities in Abkhazia and South Ossetia respectively, marks the formal dismemberment of Georgia: until very recently, Russia had at least in theory accepted its neighbour’s territorial integrity.


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