‘I don’t believe any taxes are good taxes’


 

The Prime Minister laments the tyranny of taxes, thanks you for paying them.

Reguly: Where are you going for your holidays this year?

Harper: I’m going to stay in… I usually spend most of my free time at Harrington Lake. The taxpayers provide me with a beautiful cottage and summer property so we… we vacation within the country.


 

‘I don’t believe any taxes are good taxes’

  1. As Yogi Berra, if I'm not mistaken always used to say, "That's like déjà clue all over again."

    Translation – Harper: without a clue, all over again.

  2. ‘I don't believe any taxes are good taxes'

    Also stated at Harrington Lake, c 1993.

  3. Harper: …As I've said, you know, our… we are an energy superpower, our goal is to be a clean energy superpower.

    Reguly, from an online discussion January 28, 2008:

    Eric Reguly: One thing that surprised me from my perch in Europe is the international view of the oil sands (which didn't make it into the opening article).

    Canada likes to think of itself as a "emerging energy superpower" — Stephen Harper's words.

    European oilmen, analysts and economists have a different view. They consider it no more than an middling energy power.

    Fatih Birol, the chief energy economist of the International Energy Agency in Paris, told me the oil sands would, at best, "make an important dent" in the global oil supply chain.

    The IEA predicts global oil demand at about 110-million barrels a day in 2030 (compared to about 86-million a day now).

    By that date, it expects "unconventional production" to account for 10 per cent of all production. The Alberta oil sands will be the biggest part of that 10 per cent. The rest will come from similar deposits in Venezuela. So, if you back out Venezuela, Alberta might account for seven per cent of global oil demand two decades from now.

    Hardly superpower status.

    Nor does Canada seem intent in using its energy exports for political purposes. Russia never hesitates on this front. It can turn out the lights in Western Europe by withholding natural gas supplies (and has done so).

    To the Europeans, Russia qualifies as a genuine energy superpower. Canada is a mere pretender.

    http://v1.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM

    • Reguly is a good columnist, but it's too bad that his #1 fan is such a credulous idiot.

    • uju????

    • Yeah, we think alike. Almost uncanny.

      • This comment has been deleted by the user.

        Why I don't you comment on Globatron?

        • Did you see my response in the other thread, Dot? I were you, I'd be feeling pretty stupid right now.

        • Did you see my response in the other thread, Dot? I were you, I'd be feeling pretty stupid right now. An apology may be in order.

          • I'm looking for someone to give you a kiss to make you feel better, and maybe turn you into a Prince. Stampede is still on, so it won't be difficult.

            Btw, can virtual characters using another's image have a "good name"?

          • Derek, the difference between you and me is that when I make a dumb mistake, I have the decency to admit it and apologize to people I may have offended.

            And yeah, I do have a good name. Like the majority of posters here, including you, I choose not to post under my actual name. That doesn't make me a "virtual character" who inhabits one of your asinine conspiracy theories.

          • Derek, the difference between you and me is that when I make a dumb mistake, I have the decency to admit it and to apologize to people I may have offended.

            And yeah, I do have a good name. Like the majority of posters here, including you, I choose not to post under my actual name. That doesn't make me a "virtual character" who inhabits one of your asinine conspiracy theories.

          • May have been writing the same time as you elsewhere.

            "idiot" and "asinine" are not within my online vocabulary.

            Geez, you'd think I was a US border guard and subjected you to an invasive strip search.

            OK, it was a stretch, but not unworthy of testing.

          • Of course it was unworthy of testing. Anyone with a whit of common sense should have been able to make the deduction that it was a generic PD account, given the sheer volume of polls from dozens of countries, using many different languages, all within a very short time frame.

            I'm starting to get a wee bit cranky when people make unwarranted cracks about me or my avatar. It's all very tedious.

            Anyway, I guess this is as close as you'll ever come to apologizing, so I'll leave it at that.

          • actually, you've convinjced me to retire from commenting here at macleans.

            adios

          • Well, I hope you reconsider, Dot. I'm sorry for getting so huffy with you the other day, and I'm sorry for the "idiot"/"asinine" vocabulary, which I now withdraw.

            Seriously, I have a lot of respect for you as a researcher and commenter, which is probably what got me so riled by your "Tieguy = CR" innuendo. You're a smart guy, you have a great sense of humour (much better than mine, obviously) and your puntastic contributions are welcomed by many, including me. I hope you stick around.

          • Well thanks, but I do spend too much time here. You get all upst at the TieGuy connection. He had me completely fooled when it was revealed that he and kody were the same person – i had debated with both of them and it never dawned on me that they were the same. So, for me to associate your character with his (for the simple reason which you had discovered) was not intended to discredit you personally, though it obviously was taken that way. TieGuy and kody used to argue with each other, and I did recall a very technical debate between you and TieGuy over some proper use of french terms/grammar or whatever – which at the time seemed odd to me for someone from Alberti, but obviously you have some strong language skills as well.

            Anyway, I obviously hit a nerve – you seem to place a great deal of value on your Macleans identity , so I apologize (there you go) and wish you the best – but I do need to move on nonetheless. And btw, there is a reason a particular journalist and I had often thinked alike :)

          • Don't be ridiculous, Dot, you can't leave. What are you going to do, take up woodworking? Life is too short to do all the things one is supposed to look back at with satisfaction. Your consistently informed and/or biting commentary does deserve a bit of R&R, of course.

            I'm a complete sceptic re: this alleged TieGuy / kody connection, by the way. IMHO it is simply not possible for one person to make so many comments in two completely opposite styles — divergent opinions might be one thing, but kody was/is breathlessly earnest and rhetorical (and prolix), whereas TieGuy was/is sharp, witty, scathing, etc. A real-life kody could never impersonate a TieGuy even for a week, and why would a real-life TieGuy bother dreaming up a kody? Whimsy? Anyway, TieGuy still comments at blogs like Olaf's and Dred Tory, and kody has his own blog somewhere now. I just don't buy it.

          • Dot, I'm glad we cleared that up! Thanks for your good wishes, and if you're planning to move on, I hope you visit here often.

            FWIW, TieGuy was never kody. (Since his banishment, Tieguy has posted here under many other pseudonyms, most recently "Anon".) Kody, though often imitated and parodied, was 100% real.

            Paul Wells once slammed TieGuy and Kody at the same time by facetiously implying that one was the other, which is probably what kicked off the whole "TieGuy=Kody" thing.

            TieGuy is alive and well, posting under his original moniker at Red Tory, BCL and various other Liberal blogs (also Olaf's and Dred Tory, as Jack mentioned).

          • I just assumed pw had uncovered the duplicity through matching IP addresses, and he had since figured a way arond that. Anyhoo…

          • Dot, I'm glad we cleared that up! Thanks for your good wishes, and if you're planning to move on, I hope that you visit here often.

            FWIW, TieGuy was never kody. (Since his banishment, Tieguy has posted here under many other pseudonyms, most recently "Anon".) Kody, though often imitated and parodied, was 100% real.

            Paul Wells once slammed TieGuy and Kody at the same time by facetiously implying that one was the other, which is probably what kicked off the whole "TieGuy=Kody" thing.

            TieGuy is alive and well, posting under his original moniker at Red Tory, BCL and various other Liberal blogs (also Olaf's and Dred Tory, as Jack mentioned).

  4. No tax is a good tax, eh?

    Shades of Conservative MP Brad Trost, who wrote in one of his weekly commentaries to constituents that taxation was akin to slavery, just weeks after boasting of the gas tax revenues flowing to local communities.

  5. Is it just me, or does the "we vacation within the country" seem like a silly knock against Michael Ignatieff?

    I'm as concerned as anyone about Michael Ignatieff's total lack of experience with Canadian public policy, but for the life of me I can't understand why the Conservatives always insist on making Iggy's time outside the country about the "Oh, no! He's cultured!" factor rather than legitimate, substantive concerns about his ability to govern the country.

    And what time of day was this interview done? If it was after the attack-apology then it seems like a bad time to be throwing around innuendo.

    • I think it's just you. I don't see the slightest hint of innuendo there.

    • You're nuts.

      • Well, Harper would get more benefit of the doubt from some of us if he hadn't so far shown that he'll use whatever angle he can to attack a political opponent explicitly or implicitly.. in the country or abroad. He's earned no benefit of the doubt from many of us.. and he only has himself to blame.

        • You're also nuts.

      • Well, Harper would get more benefit of the doubt from some of us if h hadn't so far shown that he'll use whatever angle he can to attack someone explicitly or implicitly.. in the country or abroad. He's earned no benefit of the doubt from many of us.. and he only has himself to blame.

    • It's just you, Ray. Seriously.

  6. Well, Wherry has the knockout punch with this post. Prime minister vacations within Canada! Uses tax money – like every other civil servant, who vacations with money obtained from the taxpayer! What a scandal.

    • Except Harper has the gall to say he doesn't like them.

      I believe the relevant analogy that you've provided in the past is Al Gore's lifestyle vs. his words on climate change.

    • Except Harper has the gall to say he doesn't like them.

      I believe the relevant analogy that you've provided in the past is Al Gore's lifestyle vs. his words on climate change.

      Which, if you weren't such a hypocrite, means you would respect Mr. Harper about the same as you respect Mr. Gore.

      • That's a very poor analogy. Nice try though. Maybe next time.

  7. Harrington Lake EXISTS ALREADY. He's going to make use of that instead of schlepping somewhere else. A wise efficient use of taxpayer-provided resources.

    Let's play this silly game with Scenario B. The Harpers decide to vacation somewhere else. The nerve! We've already PAID for it and they have the bloody gall to not even use it?

    I know you have to have at least a half dozen shots against the PM per working day, or something like that, but sometimes you just seem to try a little too hard. Really, the guy provides enough REAL material to work with. You don't need to force it too hard. Like this.

  8. Harrington Lake EXISTS ALREADY. He's going to make use of that instead of schlepping somewhere else. A wise efficient use of taxpayer-provided resources.

    Let's play this silly game with Scenario B. The Harpers decide to vacation somewhere else. The nerve! We've already PAID for it and they have the bloody gall to not even use it?

    I know you have to have at least a half dozen shots against the PM per working day, or something like that, but sometimes you just seem to try a little too hard. Really, the guy provides enough REAL material to work with. You don't need to force it like this.

    • The long gun registry exists already, yet it is one of those things that the Conservative regularly dredge up to beat over our heads. Sure its useful, sure law enforcement uses it daily, but but but…..It was once such a waste of tax payers monies!

      I don't see the difference with the vacation home. If all taxes are bad taxes, then shouldn't he be against the government owning these properties too? I mean at some point in time we wasted how much money on it????

    • If he's worried about tax payer money, he can make a big show of renting it out and applying the money to the public debt, and spending his own salary to travel wherever he wishes. It's a wise and efficient use for him, for the public it doesn't really matter.

  9. Only good taxes are the ones that provide 2 homes, servants, chefs, food, etc. for Harper.

    If he really believed himself about wasting taxpayer dollars – why in hell is he and his gang sending neverending ten percenters, using silly show and tell backdrops (cost money), campaigning on OUR money.

    Hypocrite and liar.

  10. Harrington Lake should be sold, it's a dopey use of money.

  11. 1 ". ….no taxes are good taxes…" Apart from the obvious question as to how he thinks the running of the country should be financed, it shows his utter lack of any sense of community or the common good. He really does seem to believe in "everyone for him/herself."

    2. …"Canada under my ADMINISTRATION …" I guess he likes the American presidential language in refering to himself.

  12. Harper vacations at Herrington Lake; headlines read:

    "Harper hypocrite for hating taxes but takes advantage of them"

    Harper doesn't vacation at Herrington Lake; headlines read:

    "Harper hypocrite for abandoning taxpayer-provided cottage" (subline:" taxpayers pick of security costs for overseas vacation")

  13. Harper is moving more and more into campaign mode. He is establishing and road testing lines he might use in his various campaign stump speeches.

    One narrative seems to be "no changes in taxes or spending, unlike Iggy who is a self-proclaimed tax and spend Liberal". Another theme is "Cons vs the Coalition", hence his previous "let them [the 3 opps] get together, and force an election …"

    And I agree with RayK about Harper's use of "within the country". This is indeed a dig at Iggy's out-of-country preferences. The difficulty for Lib spokespersons is that they can't easily challenge Harper over this kind of phrasing. And besides, they surely want to change the channel AWAY from Iggy's Canada absences.

  14. Now Steve, what about that Challenger Jet? That feels like a pretty good use of taxes doesn't it? Then you got airports, highways, fire departments, police (you love police) the courts, and it just goes on and on. Gay pride parades and where does it stop?

  15. Does this mean I can go for a dip at Harrington Lake? I wonder if it would be impolite to not bring my own towel.

  16. Are you kidding me? No good taxes??
    Well without taxes what kind of freakinngg society would we have? Where everyone does whatever the heck they please with no porgrams to help those in need or for crying out loud, no public school?
    What a fool.