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Imagining the Harper-Obama energy chat

Why things could get uncomfortable in short order


 

Danielle Droitsch, Washington-based US policy director for the Pembina Institute imagines an uncomfortable chat:

“Harper might try to make the same argument that his new environment minister, Peter Kent, made last week, suggesting Canada has a strong climate action plan in place. But as my colleague Clare Demerse pointed out yesterday, the government’s current plans would see us miss our 2020 target by 75 per cent.

Meanwhile, in the United States, the Obama administration has already implemented regulations on greenhouse gas emissions for new major facilities. Regulations for existing facilities and refineries will be finalized in 2012. In other words, the U.S. is working to cut greenhouse gas emissions even though the U.S. Congress could not pass federal legislation.”

Harper may want to bring this report. But Droitsch argues that someone at the White House will have already read this one and this one too.


 
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Imagining the Harper-Obama energy chat

  1. Let's hope Harper encounters some Tar Sands output on the White House floors – and performs a pratfall when trying to spin energy vs. Environment to Obama!

  2. Let's hope Harper encounters some Tar Sands output on the White House floors – and performs a pratfall when trying to spin energy vs. Environment to Obama!

  3. I' m sort of getting tired of this charade of the Conservative pretending they have a plan and all of us pretending the are serious about tackling the issue when all they are really trying to do is make the issue go away.

  4. I' m sort of getting tired of this charade of the Conservative pretending they have a plan and all of us pretending the are serious about tackling the issue when all they are really trying to do is make the issue go away.

    • Their plan is to hope the Rapture comes for them before it gets too bad. There are several problems with this plan.

      • ROFLMFAO! Thanks for that! :)

  5. Their plan is to hope the Rapture comes for them before it gets too bad. There are several problems with this plan.

  6. breaking news – another Oil Sands Mine -> USA – says it all folks :) as if the Yanks are going to say anything negative to us right now – You have to be kidding – what we have happening here is we are in the catbird seat folks not the other way around – they need our oil case closed period and need it more and more as every day goes by .. just how it is folks. After all we can always say no thank you Yanks we will build pipline to Pr. Rupert and sell it to the Chinese – oops forgot as that is exactly what we will be doing in not too long.

  7. breaking news – another Oil Sands Mine -> USA – says it all folks :) as if the Yanks are going to say anything negative to us right now – You have to be kidding – what we have happening here is we are in the catbird seat folks not the other way around – they need our oil case closed period and need it more and more as every day goes by .. just how it is folks. After all we can always say no thank you Yanks we will build pipline to Pr. Rupert and sell it to the Chinese – oops forgot as that is exactly what we will be doing in not too long.

    • Except we signed a free trade agreement stipulating that energy exports to the US cannot be restricted unless exports as a total percentage of supply do not fall. While the intention of the clause was to give all of North America an equal shot at the oil and prevent the Canadian government from interfering, you can bet that if the percentage of energy exports to US were to decline as a result of a new pipeline, they will be claiming it was unfairly subsidized and disadvantaged US ability to purchase.

      • you don't realize that you just proved my point – the Yanks want our oil – it is we that could muck things up therefore they are going to play nice nice with us and not threaten to shoot themslelves in their own gas tank !

        • Or they could just use their own oil.

          • hahahahahaha – like I can see Obama standing up and shouting drill baby drill off the coast right now = hahahahahaha – you are funny

          • Well since he's already done that….

        • The "Yanks want our oil" on terms that put them in the "catbird seat" is my point …

  8. Except we signed a free trade agreement stipulating that energy exports to the US cannot be restricted unless exports as a total percentage of supply do not fall. While the intention of the clause was to give all of North America an equal shot at the oil and prevent the Canadian government from interfering, you can bet that if the percentage of energy exports to US were to decline as a result of a new pipeline, they will be claiming it was unfairly subsidized and disadvantaged US ability to purchase.

  9. you don't realize that you just proved my point – the Yanks want our oil – it is we that could muck things up therefore they are going to play nice nice with us and not threaten to shoot themslelves in their own gas tank !

  10. They are not even wait for Prince Rupert – just have to double up the one already in use.

    Kinder Morgan Canada is accelerating plans to boost deliveries of Alberta crude to the West Coast, pressing ahead with new pipeline capacity that raises the stakes in a high-profile race to export Canadian energy to Asia.

    The company is preparing to accept bids for a substantial expansion of its 1,150-kilometre Trans Mountain pipe, which connects Edmonton with British Columbia's Lower Mainland. There, oil can be loaded on ships and sent to destinations in China, South Korea and California. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/kin

  11. They are not even wait for Prince Rupert – just have to double up the one already in use.

    Kinder Morgan Canada is accelerating plans to boost deliveries of Alberta crude to the West Coast, pressing ahead with new pipeline capacity that raises the stakes in a high-profile race to export Canadian energy to Asia.

    The company is preparing to accept bids for a substantial expansion of its 1,150-kilometre Trans Mountain pipe, which connects Edmonton with British Columbia's Lower Mainland. There, oil can be loaded on ships and sent to destinations in China, South Korea and California. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/kin

    • cool news thank you – I didn't know this – day by day we are in a stronger and stronger situation – great stuff!

      • Fools – giving away our resources dirt cheap and not even trying to refine them in Canada any more. Fools.

  12. Or they could just use their own oil.

  13. hahahahahaha – like I can see Obama standing up and shouting drill baby drill off the coast right now = hahahahahaha – you are funny

  14. Well since he's already done that….

  15. cool news thank you – I didn't know this – day by day we are in a stronger and stronger situation – great stuff!

  16. The "Yanks want our oil" on terms that put them in the "catbird seat" is my point …

  17. This might be a good place to recommend that everyone watch Gasland when they get a chance.

  18. This might be a good place to recommend that everyone watch Gasland when they get a chance.

  19. Will they be discussing where and how to dispose of the wonderful mercury-containing fluorescent bulbs that have been introduced to save energy? No one seems to have a plan for disposal and it's not too politically correct to knock something that David Suzuki approves of, but you have to ask yourself how safe it is, to have a dozen of these in every home in Canada, given that not everyone will understand the disposal instructions or know what to do if they break. Oh well, a little mercury never hurt anyone.

  20. Will they be discussing where and how to dispose of the wonderful mercury-containing fluorescent bulbs that have been introduced to save energy? No one seems to have a plan for disposal and it's not too politically correct to knock something that David Suzuki approves of, but you have to ask yourself how safe it is, to have a dozen of these in every home in Canada, given that not everyone will understand the disposal instructions or know what to do if they break. Oh well, a little mercury never hurt anyone.

    • Gawd, that myth was debunked years ago.

    • Just got my 2cents worth on open line CKNW in Vancouver. Michael Smith has made this a big issue. Biggest scam in years – Germany started hording incandecent bulbs 3 years ago as soon as the the EU announced incandecent would not be sold anymore.

      The last GE light bulb factory shut down in the U.S. last September. China makes 95% of the CFL bulbs – they are not being properly tested for 'Energy Star' (sound familiar?) Factories are going 24/7 to meet world demand – safety standards, or lack thereof are making workers sick with mercury poisoning.

      My pet peeve right now. Nanny state at its worst!!!

      • My pet peeve…people who are clueless from radio-stupor.

  21. Gawd, that myth was debunked years ago.

  22. Just got my 2cents worth on open line CKNW in Vancouver. Michael Smith has made this a big issue. Biggest scam in years – Germany started hording incandecent bulbs 3 years ago as soon as the the EU announced incandecent would not be sold anymore.

    The last GE light bulb factory shut down in the U.S. last September. China makes 95% of the CFL bulbs – they are not being properly tested for 'Energy Star' (sound familiar?) Factories are going 24/7 to meet world demand – safety standards, or lack thereof are making workers sick with mercury poisoning.

    My pet peeve right now. Nanny state at its worst!!!

  23. Fools – giving away our resources dirt cheap and not even trying to refine them in Canada any more. Fools.

  24. My pet peeve…people who are clueless from radio-stupor.

  25. All these people who say the oil sands should be shut down need to explain to me and thousands of other Canadians who rely on the oilsands for their living, not just Albertans. How we would feed our families?Not to mention the money that would be taken out of the Canadian econmy.How would these funds be replaced?Would we all just starve to death in the name of the enviroment.I don't want our enviroment to be dirty,but i was born into this system how it is and i and many, many others have no choice but to keep on doing what were doing.Pie in the sky green energy is just that,a BS line that used to try to get more money out of my pocket.You should all be thankfull we have a PM that won't sell the country down the river for something all right thinking people know is a big pile of crap.Anyone recall what the liberals did regarding so called greenhouse gas emissions,sign us up knowing it was selling us out.Does anyone think for one minute that a PM iggy wouldn't sell out us backward Canadians to make himself look good in his own country, the US,the just visiting professor would hange us all out to dry before he finished his first crumpt of the day and anyone who thinks otherwise is dreaming.

  26. All these people who say the oil sands should be shut down need to explain to me and thousands of other Canadians who rely on the oilsands for their living, not just Albertans. How we would feed our families?Not to mention the money that would be taken out of the Canadian econmy.How would these funds be replaced?Would we all just starve to death in the name of the enviroment.I don't want our enviroment to be dirty,but i was born into this system how it is and i and many, many others have no choice but to keep on doing what were doing.Pie in the sky green energy is just that,a BS line that used to try to get more money out of my pocket.You should all be thankfull we have a PM that won't sell the country down the river for something all right thinking people know is a big pile of crap.Anyone recall what the liberals did regarding so called greenhouse gas emissions,sign us up knowing it was selling us out.Does anyone think for one minute that a PM iggy wouldn't sell out us backward Canadians to make himself look good in his own country, the US,the just visiting professor would hange us all out to dry before he finished his first crumpt of the day and anyone who thinks otherwise is dreaming.

    • Good thing you weren't a blacksmith when cars were invented.

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      • Funny thing…the blacksmiths, carriage makers, harness makers etc. were replaced (or got work in) the new automobile industry. The end result was more employment at better wages. There has never been a technological advance, going all the way back to fire and the pointed stick, that didn't make the general population better off.

        The other reality is that even if we all switched to non-fossil energy tomorrow, there'd still be an oil industry because of all the other things we make from it. It would e smaller, but it would still exist as a powerful and necessary industry.

        When I see the Harper supporters claiming that we'll all end up in the dark ages if we switch to clean energy, I can't help but think that they are modern-day Ned Luds–incapable of grasping the larger reality because they are so invested in protecting their tiny little piece of the pie.

        • Amen!

  27. Good thing you weren't a blacksmith when cars were invented.

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  28. Funny thing…the blacksmiths, carriage makers, harness makers etc. were replaced (or got work in) the new automobile industry. The end result was more employment at better wages. There has never been a technological advance, going all the way back to fire and the pointed stick, that didn't make the general population better off.

    The other reality is that even if we all switched to non-fossil energy tomorrow, there'd still be an oil industry because of all the other things we make from it. It would e smaller, but it would still exist as a powerful and necessary industry.

    When I see the Harper supporters claiming that we'll all end up in the dark ages if we switch to clean energy, I can't help but think that they are modern-day Ned Luds–incapable of grasping the larger reality because they are so invested in protecting their tiny little piece of the pie.

  29. ROFLMFAO! Thanks for that! :)

  30. Amen!

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