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Islamic Human Rights Commission sees no evil in Iran


 

Let’s pretend for a moment that the London-based Islamic Human Rights Commission, an “independent, not-for-profit, campaign, research and advocacy organization,” really exists to champion human rights, as its website claims. Let’s even allow that, as an Islamic organization, it might be more concerned with human rights abuses perpetuated against Muslims. Its website, after all, urges readers not to be a “silent victim,” and to contact the organization if they have suffered anti-Muslim harassment or discrimination. One would assume, then, that the Islamic Human Rights Commission would be very concerned about the oppression, incarceration, murder, and rape of dissidents in Iran — almost all of whom, after all, are Muslims.

Asked about these events at a recent “Al Quds Day” rally, though, the IHRC’s chair, Massoud Shadjareh, replied: “I don’t know what you’re talking about.” I wonder why that is?

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Islamic Human Rights Commission sees no evil in Iran

  1. Shorter Petrou: Shriek! This group isn't pushing my agenda!

    Newsflash rube. There are a lot of human rights organizations with glaring blindspots. Many Jewish rights organizations for example, turn a blind eye toward Israel's human rights abuses and many Catholic rights organizations overlook what the Catholic church has been up to. But that doesn't invalidate the human rights abuses they do cover.

    Besides that, this guy looked more like he was just annoyed at being asked questions as opposed to deliberately trying to overlook Iran's abuses. The organization does have a bit of coverage of them on their site.

    • When do you see Muslim groups concerned with the human rights of non-Muslims, especially non-Muslims living in Muslim countries?

      Let's go back to the Ground Zero Mosque. Again, the Muslims involved in that venture are very concerned with their own rights to build a mosque where they want, but not so concerned with the rights of non-Muslims to build houses of faith in Muslim countries — despite the fact that they go to these same countries to raise funds for their own mosque.

      Islamophobia is the irrational fear of Islam. As well known Canadian Muslim Tarek Fatah points out, many people have a very rational fear of Islam, based in part on those who tend to act on its behalf.

      • When do you see Muslim groups concerned with the human rights of non-Muslims, especially non-Muslims living in Muslim countries?

        Good point. Oh wait, it isn't. It's just ignorance on parade.

        PRESS RELEASE: Pakistan – IHRC is deeply concerned about the attacks on the Christian community in Pakistan
        Islamic Human Rights Commission strongly condemns the burning of the Catholic Church in the Sambrial district. This latest attack follows the mob violence last month which systematically saw 40 homes and a Church destroyed. The spate of attacks on the Christian community is abhorrent and un-Islamic.
        IHRC urges the government to be vigilant in their responsibility to the rights of minorities and protect them from such vigilante violence.

        • and right below that very brief press release is:

          Have you been verbally abused, harassed, discriminated against or even violently attacked because you are Muslim? Have you been mistreated by the police or security services or a victim of anti-terror laws? Click here to report your incident to us in confidence and, if you wish, anonymously.If you are looking for counselling instead of or as well as case support you can also visit Faith Counselling.

          I hear a lot more of the latter from Muslim groups than the former. And I'm sure I'm not alone.

          • That's it, pick up those goalposts and scurry off down the field.

          • I'm sorry, but one lip service press release is hardly worthy of moving any goalposts. In fact, this very blog post is about this group's willful blindness towards the oppression of dissidents in Iran, right?

          • No, this post is gibberish. There's no evidence the group turns a blind eye toward the oppression of dissidents in Iran. In fact, they've commented on it on their site.

            PRESS RELEASE: Iran – IHRC calls for a full inquiry into handling of protesters
            The Islamic Human Rights Commission sends its condolences to the victims of the violence during the unrest that followed the recent Iranian elections. 20 people have been confirmed dead including 8 Basijis. There have also been hundreds of protesters detained. IHRC welcomes the release of the majority of the protesters but calls on the Iranian authorities to observe due process in relation to the remainder to the detainees.

            They don't appear to spend a great deal of time on this, but then their organization seems to be geared more toward human rights violations that are religious, not political, in nature.

    • I want to add another point. You see Jewish, Catholic, and other groups of all kinds advocating for the rights of others,even if not all groups do. Maybe I'm wrong on this, but can you say the same of Islamic groups?

  2. So is this group funded by the Iranian government? I couldn't figure it out from their website. Would not be a surprise though…

  3. Islamic Human Rights Commission doesn't actually care about human rights for Muslims, it wants to take away human rights from everyone else. Instead of trying to raise Muslims out of poverty and ignorance, these types of social justice orgs and useful idiots like McClelland want everyone to have a life that is nasty, brutish and short.

    Why are so many left wing types happy to align themselves with any reactionary org going as long as they loathe Jews and Americans.

    Nick Cohen is one of the few left wing types who sees what's happening:

    "The refusal of 21st-century left-wing and liberal opinion to separate itself from radical Islam is, however, a living disgrace with disastrous consequences for Europe.

    You can see them everywhere if you are willing to look. In January, for instance, Harriet Harman and Ed Miliband attended a "Progressive London" conference packed with the supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood, which believes in the establishment of a totalitarian theocracy. George Galloway, who saluted the courage of Saddam Hussein, was there too, inevitably, as was Tariq Ramadan, the shifty academic who thinks there should only be a "moratorium" on the stoning to death of adulterous women rather than an outright ban." Nick Cohen, Standpoint, March 2010

    • Islamic Human Rights Commission doesn't actually care about human rights for Muslims

      Well if you say so, it must be true. I don't think we need any further evidence. Case closed.

    • Rightwing neo-con Nick Cohen?

      • Funny how you link to Wikipedia articles only when it suits you.

        For the record, the left thinks he's right, and the right, including himself, thinks he's left.

        • For the record, he says he's right, not left.

          See, you actually have to read the item.

          • You're more than welcome to cite the article you claim to have read, but did not post on here in the first place like you often do.

            I find it fascinating how some people on here, who seem to think they're the smartest in the room, fall into the simplest traps of their own making.

            The fact is, and this is according to the Wikipedia article, his position on the political spectrum is a source of some dispute. From what I can tell, he used to be a leftie, but left because of their support for radical Islam. A quote to this effect was provided above by bergkamp.

    • "Why are so many left wing types happy to align themselves with any reactionary org going as long as they loathe Jews and Americans."

      Maybe, and this is just a thought, it's because so many right-wing people cannot accept ANY criticism whatsoever of the governments of Israel and the USA (well, the former government of the USA. Now, criticizing the government is encouraged) without decrying it as anti-Semitism or anti-Americanism. I'm not sure how those governments managed to be completely perfect in every way when there's not a government elsewhere on the planet that doesn't deserve some critical comments. Of course, I must be an anti-Semitic anti-American to even ask the question.

      Certainly not all progressive people align themselves with any reactionary organization, they are just lumped in there by the right.

      • Well, I certainly am a supporter of great countries like America and Israel, both of which are amazing beacons of freedom, human rights, and prosperity. However, I don't think they're perfect, nor do many of their supporters. On the other hand, many on the left seem to think that the West is the culprit and the terrorism is completely justified, don't they?

        Anyhow, I don't want this to become a different kind of debate. Just wanted to give my two cents.

  4. Let's pretend for a moment that the London-based Islamic Human Rights Commission, an “independent, not-for-profit, campaign, research and advocacy organization,” really exists to champion human rights…

    Wouldn't that pretense be your first error?

  5. Muslims are the catholics of today.

    We're always afraid of SOMEbody.

    • You routinely bash people of faith, don't you? In fact, you likened them to people who lie about being members of the Jedi Order on the mandatory census form that you love so much, didn't you?

      • Actually I said we're always afraid of SOMEbody….at one time it was catholics, another time jews….today it's muslims.

        Jedi is a faith too, another one you're afraid of apparently. But then again you believe census-takers phone you up to ask about your sex life.

        • And I said that YOU are "afraid" of people of faith in general, or at least you routinely mock them, don't you? Except Muslims, for some reason.

          • Noop, said nothing of the sort. I bashed fear-mongers.

            You appear to be one of them.

          • You mock religion all the time, then you have the gall to accuse others of creating fear of one particular religion?

          • Actually, since I have no interest in religion, I don't talk about it.

            If someone else brings it up in a post to me, or otherwise pushes it on people, then I answer.

            Your fears about religion are your problem, not mine. I find it all silly.

          • On here, and as Nola on the Bourque boards, you were a well known basher of people of religion, which is why I find your current stance to be completely hypocritical.

            You believe that believing in a God is akin to believing in the tooth fairy, or being a Jedi Knight, and are only ashamed to admit so when called on it in a context that is embarrassing for you, like right now.

          • Ahhh your paranoia again. Is it free speech you're afraid of today?

            I've frequently said I'm an atheist on here, and yes I see it as akin to believing in the tooth fairy.

            I don't recall saying anything about Jedis, beyond that it's a religion.

            People are afraid of other people for many reasons….their colour, their sex, their nationality…..religion is just another way to create fear.

            Something you seem determined to do.

            Today it's Muslims, at one time it was Catholics.

          • I've frequently said I'm an atheist on here, and yes I see it as akin to believing in the tooth fairy.

            I don't recall saying anything about Jedis, beyond that it's a religion.

            This is an example of tolerance and understanding towards people of faith, is it?

          • People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. If you want people to be tolerant of your faith, you have to be tolerant of theirs.

            Catholic-bashing could become popular again, especially considering recent events in the Vatican. Perhaps you should think about that before you bash someone else's religion.

            Actually I think that's supposed to be a christian value, is it not?

          • Wow, now you're blaming others for your intolerance, and are threatening Catholics, too?

          • So, Dennis you can't see any parallels between past persecusions of other religions, and what is currently happening to Muslims?

          • Given that there is no persecution of Muslims in our society, I don't seen any so-called parallels. And I also tend to see Canada as a historically tolerant society. I guess you don't.

          • Furthermore, much of the religious persecution in today's world is being done by Islamic countries run by Muslims.

          • Dennis I don't intend to discuss religion with you. You aren't sane on the topic, so stop trying.

            Your English is poor as well.

  6. For once I am in the same room as Emily. I like to term myself as a nontheist rather than an atheist, whom religionists like to view as attacking a god. Whereas, a nontheist simply marvels at how stupid religionists are, notwithstanding that in any endeavour there must be some good, and point out that the essence of the golden rule was kicking around long before JC himself. But to hold views that are not substantiate by any evidence strikes me as stupidity. So I suggest you get off Emily's back, although Emily can take care of herself quite well.

    • Thank you Blacktop. It's certainly unusual for us to agree on something!

      I used to say I was a non-believer, so as not to scare the timid….but they often took that as an opening to try and 'save' me.

      So finally I just said atheist…they seem to see that as more final, and not convert-material. LOL

    • In other words, just like Emily, you have to be insulting towards people who disagree with you on religion. Why is that? And, by the way, Emily came on here scolding intolerance towards religion, while being an obvious propagator of it at just about every other time. Glad to see that you support such hypocrisy.

  7. "Shorter Petrou: Shriek! This group isn't pushing my agenda!

    Newsflash rube. There are a lot of human rights organizations with glaring blindspots. Many Jewish rights organizations for example, turn a blind eye toward Israel's human rights abuses and many Catholic rights organizations overlook what the Catholic church has been up to. But that doesn't invalidate the human rights abuses they do cover. "

    Probably because the Juice control the media nd banks right? Get your head out of tan orifice, and call a spade a spade. Since when has any Islamic group or organization ever criticized another Islamic nation such as Iran or Sudan no matter how egregious the atrocities are? now Israel of course is fair game isn't it? I thought so.

    • Yes, the Ground Zero Mosque sure helped to build bridges, didn't it.

      I think Muslims have been amazingly accepted in North America. How about non-Muslims in the Middle East?

      • Despite the fact that home grown terrorists appear to be a continuing problem with Muslim communities here, btw.

      • Why can't we just be better than those countries in the Middle East?

        • How in the world aren't we?

          • We are. But it's almost like you're lamenting our accepting nature by contrasting it with the less than accepting behaviour in Middle-Eastern countries.

          • No, I'm scratching my head at some who curiously lament the fate of Muslims here while not saying boo regarding genuine human rights atrocities in the name of Islam elsewhere. Or, when they do say boo, as in the above press release example, it seems to be nothing more than lip service.

          • Fair enough, I do believe that it is more than disingenuous for an Islamic Human Rights group to barely say a word about atrocities occurring in the Middle East (or other predominantly Islamic societies elsewhere). However, I do believe they have a right to shine a light on abuses that happen closer to home. We're far from perfect ourselves, and just because we are several light-years ahead in these issues doesn't mean we should be absolved from all criticism.

          • Yes, we're not different or better…just on different time lines. The Arabs have been both ahead of us, and behind us for centuries. There wouldn't have been a Renaissance without them.

            And ater the disgusting displays of the Bush years, we have no moral leg to stand on.

          • We're not different or better than countries where religious freedoms are quashed outright? That's quite a moral standard you have there, not to mention a rather peculiar understanding of history.

          • There are lots of christians as well as other religions in the ME.

            This is why no one talks to you, Dennis.

          • Yes, and they get routinely persecuted. As always, thanks for showing up. Next.

          • Noop, everything quite peaceable, has been for centuries. Like I said, you're not sane on this topic.

            Next.

          • Emily, you aren't sane on this topic.

            The Christian and Jewish populations are vanishing in the ME at an astonishing rate, as everyone is emigrating as fast as possible.

            Also, there was just as much persecution of religious minorities in the Muslim world in the middle ages as there was in Christian Europe. Heck, Christian Europe never demanded the first born sons of their subject Muslim populations for slave soldiers the way the Ottoman Turks did.

          • Yes, they have a right to shine abuses here while ignoring those in the name of their own religion abroad, but it doesn't exactly give them much credibility, does it?

          • No you're right. It is really unfortunate that they don't try to make more headway in regions like the Middle East where human rights are routinely abused.

            But after just visiting their website it does seem like there are quite a few stories outlining such topics in Bahrain, the Kashmir, Turkey, Bulgaria (I know… europe), etc.

            I suspect there's quite a bit of denial going on when it comes to Iran since a search on their website with keywords "Iran + election" leads nowhere…

  8. The stupid uproar about the community centre in NY is a great recruitment campaign for 'al Qaeda'. Doesn't help US soldiers over there either.

    al Qaeda couldn't have asked for better publicity, and it's all free, courtesy of the teabaggers.

    • Even if what you say is true, wasn't it started by the Mosque builders,and maybe that's what they wanted? And since when is Al Qaeda the arbiter of moral standards, at least for people other than you?

      And why do you continue to use that disgusting sexual term to depict political opponents of yours. Tolerance and understanding seem to be the last things you want.

      • I said I don't intend to discuss religion with you. You're not sane on the subject. Several other subjects as well. LOL

  9. Islam is a fascist political force that is not interested in human rights but will use the language of human rights simply to appeal to the useful idiots in the West, they learned these lessons from the Soviets and the same useful idiots are eager to buy what they're selling today.