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Liberals to propose voting age be reduced to 3

  1. Looks like Volpe might one day have a shot at the Liberal leadership after all…

    • Phenomenal. Someone needs to give you kudos for this.

      • Why, thanks, WDM.

  2. Just watched the vid. Did he violate any daycare policies on touching the children? I have a feeling his affection for those kids might have surpassed what the early childhood education workers are allowed to offer.

    Not saying it's wrong. Every child deserves love and affection. And I am not saying MI did anything wrong. Not at all. Just saying that warped pervs have warped what unrelated adults are allowed to do for children these days.

  3. Just watched the vid. Did he violate any daycare policies on touching the children? I have a feeling his affection for those kids might have surpassed what the early childhood education workers are allowed to offer.

    Every child deserves love and affection, and I am not saying MI did anything wrong. Not at all. Just saying that warped pervs have warped what unrelated adults are allowed to do for children these days.

    • Have you ever been to a daycare? Hugs are allowed.

    • Have you ever been to a daycare? Hugs are allowed.

      • Kisses, too? I mean, besides for Casey and Finnigan.

        • Your pathetic. Are you really that desperate to draw attention to a natural moment of warmth?

    • That comment is truly pathetic.

  4. Scene: Liberal Warroom

    Liberal Operative 1: "We're tanking in the polls, nothing MI says is getting any traction, what do we do?"

    Liberal Operative 2: "GET THIS MAN AND A CAMERA CREW INTO A DAYCARE ASAP"

    • I think Michael Valpy's Oct 6 column in Globe/Mail tells you what Lib war room is trying to fix:

      "Dubbed a cerebral sex symbol when he entered politics, Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff now faces a wall in his appeal to women. They don't much like him.

      The issue is hugely significant for his party, which historically has enjoyed high levels of women's support. Ignatieff predecessors such as Pierre Trudeau and Jean Chrétien held 20-point leads in the polls with women over their Conservative opponents.

      But Monday's Strategic Counsel poll shows women age 35 and over – and particularly women age 50 and over – have rejected the Liberals in droves in the past six months. "

      • Will women enjoy watching an old creepy man kissing and hugging little children….I doubt it.

        • He's old and creepy to you but for us cerebral types he's a real blown up doll.

  5. Kisses, too?

  6. Daycare? Oh, I thought that was a LIberal caucus meeting.

  7. did MI violate daycare rules? Wow, you Conservative "rapid response" guys are the biggest bunch of losers.

    The fact is, this video is great TV and if I were a Liberal strategist, I'd be sending this thing far and wide, as the kids clearly loved him. I'd also tell Iggy to wear glasses more often. He looks more personable, like a fatherly statesman. This could never happen to Harper… he couldn't get the kids to warm to him like that. Though, I suppose he could probably get a kiss and a hug from Yo Yo Ma (but his wife would have to stage it for him…)

    • This is Iggy's piano moment!! You guys and the media are hilarious. Nobody wants to elect grandpa.

      And Harper has two children and is known to be an excellent father.

    • More in sorrow than in anger, must I respond: I am not Conservative, and (feel free to actually read the comment) I clearly state that MI did no wrong. It was a lament on what we as a society have come to. So, please relax.

      • It's the fact that you would find it necessary to interject something sinister into what seems to be an innocent display of affection that makes your original comment so distasteful. It's a matter of relevance.

        • You so seriously do NOT get it. I have been lamenting that this world has reached the point where such innocent displays of affection are in sinister trouble. This is my last attempt to let you guys try to understand that we are actually on the same page. Except for the how-dare-you-even-bring-this-up part.

    • How many times can you cut and paste this post?

      • He's just trying to keep up with you…

  8. Interesting PR move, but it's not exactly Iggy's "piano moment". This is child's play, in both the relative and literal sense. Ignatieff is hardly the first politician to kiss young children in a cutesy photo-op. If the Liberals view this as an effective response to Harper's PR triumph, their tactical vision may be somewhat lacking.

    Still, as a small step, Ignatieff is on the right track. It beats Feschuk's jokey "one-man play" suggestion: Michael Ignatieff plays Michael Ignatieff in his three-hour monologue, Michael Ignatieff.

    • It is the right move. But coming as it does it doesnt really help because it is….well transparent, but hey Harper has doen the same thing. What works for Harper in these is he gets demonized as a robot/conbot etc that something that pricks that bubble so badly helps.

      But this will help blunt the snow balling attacks against him. I mean how can you be mean to a guy who likes kids and who kids like, human nature. So less yelling with the adolescents in Parliament and more playdoh eating with toddlers.

    • Well Crit, this is the sort of thing all politicians do. I don't think it was anything other than a regular, run of the mill type of event. What made it special was the spontaneous outpouring of affection from the children.

      I highly doubt it was a planned response to the piano, but it'll do in a pinch.

      • Right. Ignatieff just happened to be in the neighborhood of a daycare and dropped in for a visit, at the exact same time as an off duty camera crew. Happens all the time at my kid's daycare.

        And was it really spontaneous? I doubt it… I certainly wouldn't be surprised if the children were encouraged by an adult in the room to give Ignatieff the big hug. A roomful of kids at a daycare don't do that kind of thing with strangers without some encouragement.

        If this were Harper, you all would be up in arms about the crassness and obviousness of this staged photo op, coming at a time when it's so desperately needed.

      • Right. Ignatieff just happened to be in the neighborhood of a daycare and dropped in for a visit, at the exact same time as an off duty camera crew. Happens all the time at my kid's daycare.

        And was the affection really spontaneous? I doubt it… I certainly wouldn't be surprised if the children were encouraged by an adult in the room to give Ignatieff the big hug. A roomful of kids at a daycare don't do that kind of thing with strangers without some encouragement. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it was genuine…but spontaneous? Please…

        If this were Harper, you all would be up in arms about the crassness and obviousness of this staged photo op, coming at a time when it's so desperately needed.

      • Right. Ignatieff just happened to be in the neighborhood of a daycare and dropped in for a visit, at the exact same time as an off duty camera crew. Happens all the time at my kid's daycare.

        And was the affection really spontaneous? I doubt it… I certainly wouldn't be surprised if the children were encouraged by an adult in the room to give Ignatieff the big hug. A roomful of kids at a daycare don't do that kind of thing with strangers without some encouragement. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it was genuine, these are kids…but spontaneous? Please…

        If this were Harper, you all would be up in arms about the crassness and obviousness of this staged photo op, coming at a time when it's so desperately needed.

        • I've got two kids in that age group. I can tell them to do something but it doesn't happen unless they want to do it. I fairly doubt your scepticism is authentic; if you actually had a dose of scepticism you'd be training it on the government these days, rather than 3-4 year olds…

          • the first hug was planned, the group tackle was spontaneous

    • Harper's 'piano moment' was well staged, Ignatieff's 'daycare moment' seems to have been spontaneous. Big difference I'd say.

  9. Harper's vilified as a crass political opportunist,

    and here we have Iggy literally hugging and kissing toddlers of strangers on camera.

    Giving a single baby a peck on the head, may be a good photo op, but having a group of toddlers to gang tackle the politician with hugging and kissing en mass, on airs of awkward desperation.

    • I get the impression you're jealous, because Harper would never be willing to have kids pile on in a similar fashion. He's the man who shook his kid's hand in lieu of a hug.

    • Vilified? C'mon. I am no fan of Mr Harper, but I thought his turn at the piano was great.

      I still don't trust him though.

    • As a communications guy, I can't tell you how hard it is to convince a group of 5 year-olds to stay on message.

      Seriously, the only way you could force a moment like this would be to wrap ignatieff in fruit roll-ups at snack time. Unless you think the kids are liberal plants?

      • God I love fruit rollups.

  10. Well, one kid did say he wanted to be an astronaut when he grew up, and another wanted to be a goalie in the NHL, and another wanted to be an NDP provincial premier, ANOTHER one wanted to be an NDP provincial premier, another wanted to be a bank vice president who couldn't clearly recall what car he drives, and…

    • did MI violate daycare rules? Wow, you Conservative "rapid response" guys are the biggest bunch of losers.

      The fact is, this video is great TV and if I were a Liberal strategist, I'd be sending this thing far and wide, as the kids clearly loved him. I'd also tell Iggy to wear glasses more often. He looks more personable, like a fatherly statesman. This could never happen to Harper… he couldn't get the kids to warm to him like that. Though, I suppose he could probably get a kiss and a hug from Yo Yo Ma (but his wife would have to stage it for him…)

      • Guess what – I don't want (or need) a father figure as I'm a mature, independent woman.

        • I'm a mature independent woman and I adore father figures. And I hope this get played on media outlets across the country because there's something very trustworthy and kindly about a man who kids just want to spontaneously hug. It makes people like him.

        • How about a smiling piano man?

    • How did you get thumbs down for that!? I put a thumbs up for you. Even a raging Liberal should be able to laugh at this comment.

      • "bon barker grey"

        Possibly the best three words in there.

  11. If ever anyone needed a hug right now it's Iggy, these kids have obviously been hearing about the polls.

      • Yes, because Nanos is so accurate….didn't he miss the last election by 5 points?

    • If so, their parents should lose custody rights.

  12. Liberals can stage photo ops until kingdom come.

    They can have Warren Kinsella work overtime with his negative attacks.

    They will never succeed until they get policies and start standing for something. They seem to think it's all spin. Spin's fine, as far it goes. But if you don't stand for something and propose a platform why should Canadians vote for them?

    Because they're Liberals? I guess that's the "strategy". And it largely explains why they've been trending from 30% in 2006 downward to the mid-20% range as of late.

    • Yeah…. the Liberals are abusing the CPC with negative attacks…..I hope a puffin poops on you

    • Spin comes from both sides, Jarrid. You know better.

    • Almost anything you say loses all credibility because it's coming from you Jarrid.

      • Jarrid is looking through the looking glass again. The mad hatter is bringing him his tea and someone will be by to loosen the straps on his full-buckled suit anytime now…

    • “They seem to think it’s all spin. Spin’s fine, as far it goes. But if you don’t stand for something and propose a platform why should Canadians vote for them? ”

      That is rich coming from you.

      – No election platform until someone figured out it might a good idea to have one (for an election they engineered, no less)
      – Constant spin machine, whether its about gag cheques, Hillier, detainee abuse reports, preferential spending; their whole report card exercise was completely content-free spin.

  13. When you're in trouble, get back to basics.

    That's what this is. It's a decent start…

  14. Watching Iggy in the news today, I think part of his problem is his voice when he gets heated.

    I don't mean this in a mean way, (I kinda like Iggy the academic), but his voice gets a bad, whiny quality to it.

    He should modulate his tone better. It is off-putting.

  15. "When you're in trouble, get back to basics."

    Good advice. But in the Liberal's case, getting back to basics means getting some policies and standing for something.

    The problem with photo-ops is that they're read and interpreted in the political context they're taken. If Iggy was brimming with confidence and leading the Liberals with a robust vision the photo op here would make him look like a winner.

    Instead he's down and out, going nowhere, and this photo makes him look like a bit of a sad sack who needs the unconditional love that small children can give. A picture of him with his dog right now would be read the same way.

    • Somone needs to give Jarrid a hug.

    • Jarrid I don't disagree with you about the Liberals, but please remind me what the Conservatives (who are governing) stand for.

      Fiscal responsibility? Ha!
      Accountability and Transparency? Yeah right.
      More democracy in our political institutions?
      No more being at the mercy of Quebec?
      Environmental stewardship?
      Intelligent tax policy?

      The only policy the Conservatives have been consistent on is Crime, which long before they came to power was actually declining in almost every jurisidiction in the country. I do not give much credit to the Liberals right now either, but don't act like the Prime Minister has laid out a grand plan for Canada which he is now following.

      • Don't be too hard on jarrid. He really wants Ignatieff to get his policies out there..

        ..after all, Harper can't copy them until he sees them.

  16. More to the point, it's none of our business. I don't give a rats ass about Harper's family, except where they get involved in his politics.

  17. Innuendo based on lack of information. Good one.

  18. Your comment is truly despicable Maureen.

  19. You're a bit of a freak job, aren't you Maureen? Are you also Lorraine? You seem on the same page with your eewwwwy comments.

    Actually, Tom Clark talked specifically about this incident on Power Play, and said the kids adored Iggy — and swarmed him with affection.

  20. I agree with the comment above that Iggy should wear glasses more often. It softens his image. Just my two yen.

  21. When he was in Regina last week, he was at my niece's high school, and those kids really seemed to like talking to him too — not all bored looking, but interested with lively questions.

  22. Well, at least he's sticking to his commitment to not have any "adult conversations."

  23. Just pointing out the obvious people.

    • It doesn't have to be true, just plausible, right?

      Good con, good girl. Wanna milk bone?

      • Seriously? How may MP's on both sides want to go there? You can't be a conservative plant, because the PM's war room isn't crazy.

      • I'm trying to remember what the RH Peter MacKay said about a certain ex of his…….. hmmmmm. Oh that's right, he denied it.
        Arf! Arf!

    • The obvious only reflects back on you.

    • My, my we are just the most sensitive wee beings on the face of the earth. The fact that my original post has been deleted goes to the heart of my comment. We know very little about Iggy's personal life (because it has been deemed off-limits by the media except for a G & M reporter from about 2 or 3 years ago) yet, you know, I know and everyone knows that if Harper had an ex-wife and two kids that were never talked about in the official party narrative, the media would be on the doorstep of the ex-wife until they got a 'story' – doesn't matter what the story is, they would twist it into whatever they wanted it to be. But nothing on Iggy's first wife and children and the circumstances of the divorce! And yet the same media is quite willing to trot Iggy out as a friendly father/grandfatherly figure as opposed to the wooden and stiff Harper – again while missing in action is any reference to his own children. So all of you – get off your high horses and stop being so tut, tut!

      The official Iggy narrative that the LPC wants out to the public is that Canada is so fortunate to have this man come back to Canada to save us from the right wing hordes and his flaws are minor, whereas Harper eats kittens for breakfast. Except the official narrative is falling apart on Iggy so we have drag out a visit to a daycare so he looks more human.

  24. This clip is creepy…I'm sure daycare workers have been fired for less.

    Good job though CBC, what's next, a puff piece on Iggy handing out loonies to homeless people in Toronto?

    • Oh Ya, that was a creepy clip. There is no doubt about it.

    • If you find it creepy – I suspect you are the one with creepy mind.

    • "Good job though CBC, what's next, a puff piece on Iggy handing out loonies to homeless people in Toronto?"

      They wanted to ask him what his favourite beatles song is, but they got scooped byt his website.

  25. Oh, Jack. We really missed you. That's what these boards have been lacking!

  26. Hilarious!

  27. Children hugging a man. Yep. Totally "creepy" Dakota.

    • Hugging and being kissed by a strange old man isn't creepy?

      • As creepy as a PM who OK's ads where a puffin poops on his opponent? To me, that kind of juvenile behaviour in a party wanting to chart the course of our lives is creepy.

        Get your mind out of the gutter dear. It looks innocent enough and I'm sure there were sufficient witnesses to ensure the kids safety. OK?

        • Would you prefer he shook hands with the kids? Not creepy, but weird.

  28. Sweet. They thought he was Count Chocula.

  29. My hat is off and my jaw hurts from laughing

    Good day and well done, Sir!

  30. My hat is off and my jaw hurts from laughing

    Good day, and well done, Sir!

  31. Funny how the feeling-some-heat CONbots now see moments of authentic warmth as being 'creepy' or 'staged photo ops" were all high-fivin themselves a couple of weeks ago when their so-called leader got slathered in makeup and plopped behind a piano to belt out a tune to a crowd of rich gala-goers. Now that was suppose to be an 'election-turner', a critical moment in showing 'warmth' and 'authenticity'… Most liberal supporters I know begrudgingly said that it seemed like a masterstroke — it certainly added a new dimension to Harper's image — but there was nothing spontaneous about it. As Harper himself knows, you wade into a crowd of toddlers and you take your chances; nose tweeks, loud outbursts and complete anarchy are all part of the possibilities.
    You CONbots were rubbing your hands together, spamming everyone with the youtube clip. You know you'd be doing the same if that group-hug had been a nose-tweek or pratfall.
    I suggest you guys stop reading your CONbloogers version of committee disruption handbook and try to imagine yourself as free-thinking Canadians again. Just for a moment.

  32. You tell 'em, Dan! How dare anyone doubt the sincerity of a politician's actions? Let's all be free-thinking Canadians by not questioning Ignatieff's actions.

    Supid CON SUPPORTE… sorry, I forgot to turn the caps lock off. I always write CON with capital letters, because I always scream it out. Kind of like when Shatner yelled out Khan. Whenever I watch that movie, I like to think Shatner is actually yelling CON instead of Khan.

  33. Seems that this little vid is a real winner if all these overreactions, distortions, and channel changing are any indication.

  34. If wouldn't want a strange old man kissing on my child…but that's just me.

  35. Take a look at Iggy's face in that still shot of the clip…yuck…

  36. Its getting a ton of cred by the two dozen Wherry regs.

  37. Vince, I think it was more like Count Chocula.

    I think that we are in a very strange situation right now, if anything in politics can be described as strange. We saw Dion, who was generally considered virtuous by the press – and everything the Liberals needed to redeem their self-styled superiority – make a desperate looking lunge for power that was viewed by the public as contemptible.

    Then, as the Liberals looked to be in total disarray, they hastily anoint The Next One. Unfortunately, the Next One quickly became totally disoriented by the unpredictable world of politics, where every word you speak comes under attack. Suddenly, the man with intellectual audacity became The Aimless One. Until he came up with the Big Plan. Except that there was no Big Plan, there was only a plan to make the Big Plan.

    Meanwhile, the Conservatives, forced into a wild spending spree, get a free ride from the public on fiscal stewardship, and all the voter happiness that comes with Big Spending. On top of that, Harper puts the boots to the fear-mongering the opposition was casting on his character, and the Ontario Liberal bastion, falls. What next, Justin Trudeau crossing the floor?

    • I dont know….looks normal to me, only the details change.

      Systemically, the Libs need to rebuild, only part of which was money. I still say if you wanted to do a rebuild they would have been better ot put Bob rae in charge….only because he is a better performer in the House but more importantly knew the steps required to make the party machinery run….including picking candidates, delegating to the right people and holding them accountable (because he knows what the right set p looks like) Iggy is learning.

      Iggy should have accepted that he was learning and not pushed so hard for an election. But when you have no confidence in yourself then you are a creature of advisors, who ultimately arent accountable. Like cockroaches the back room boys/girls will live to fight another day.

      He has swallowed the medicine, backing off, he should now make the price he has paid worth something….a functioning party that owes him not the other way around. Find ways to shuffle out those who arent performing to our expectation (including friends), punish disloyalty and get the deliverables you desire, policy, organization and resources. In other words, act like Harper.

      • I should have been clearer about what I felt was strange. That is that we have a situation where the Conservative's are getting a media free-ride, traditionally a seat reserved for the Liberals, and the Liberals are depicted as failing at every turn. Largely, this is due to the fact that Ignatieff is working at about a 10% comfort level, so the public is just not buying what he is selling. If he shifts to something he is more comfortable selling, he risks alienating much of his own party.

        Your points about his vulnerabilities as a novice politician are well taken, and they will only be overcome with time. If he gets it.

  38. The objections were to the nasty insinuations you made as a result of not knowing very much about Ignatieff's children.

  39. Eeeeww.