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Look at us, doing stuff (II)


 

Sources tell CTV that terrorists might be headed to Canada with the intent to enter the United States.

Insiders say this potential threat — and what to do about it — was discussed with the prime minister and his national security ministers on Monday.


 

Look at us, doing stuff (II)

  1. 100% manufactured.
    Unbelievable that the country is facing a terrorist threat and the first instinct would be to get some staffer to film them talking and release it to the media in an effort to "prove they are working."

    This is insanely stupid and condescending.

  2. Lets's assume for the moment that this is not a deposit from the rear end of a cow.

    That's pretty darned self serving to publicly announce the existence and details of an ongoing national security investigation to try and score PR points.

  3. And Harper's just figuring this out now?

    Wasn't there a whole border shmozzle with the states because of this very thing?

    Attaboy Harper! Way to keep up with the current issues! At this rate, you might even figure out that the Olympics are this year some point before they end.

    • Depends what you mean by authentic. If I has a plane to catch today I would be thinking about this article and are these supposed terrorists on my plane.

      I am also, like many others here, gobsmacked that someone would leak this information. Not impressed with scaring Canadians just to score some media points that Cons are still working.

      • "Leaks avec photo op", a new type of disinformation for the disingenuous to dissemble and disperse.

        • Exactly. I wonder, I just wonder who could have leaked this. Maybe the same guys who leaked 13 seconds of silent video. Maybe. I'm weighing up the probabilities.

          Meanwhile, we can celebrate the fact that this story hasn't even made the New York Times, presumably because the editors there, though not at CTV News (if they have editors), felt that an obvious leak from PMO wasn't credible to anybody. Celebrate, I say, because if it did wind up in the Times we'd have set back our US-reassurance campaign by five years for a photo op.

          Don't expect questions about this, however. Don't expect criticism. You know that neither the PM, Cannon, Mackay, Van Loan, nor Nicholson has to answer to Parliament for their 13-second decisions. They don't need Parliament. The danger is too great for such hindrances.

          • The bizarre thirteen seconds of silent video wasn't a "leak" if the PMO deliberately sent it to Wherry and everyone else on the mailing list.

            The story hasn't made the NYTimes because it's not a noteworthy story. Canada probably just got a nudge from US intelligence and duly issued an alert to airports and airlines as a precaution. It seems fairly routine, and it might have passed unnoticed if not for the Fife reportage.

          • Couldn't agree more that it's routine. Why then publicise it? Why issue 13 seconds of video? It's routine.

      • See, it worked! The article isn't even about terrorists highjacking airplanes. It mentions "a threat" and reports that "sources say Canadian intelligence also had credible information of other terrorists planning to come to Canada." Meanwhile, the public has been successfully scared and it has been proved that the PM, Cannon, Mackay, Van Loan, and Nicholson know how to sit around a table and look busy.

        • The public hasn't been scared. Hardly anyone is even talking about this Fife story except for those on the Maclean's blog.

          There's no evidence it was a leak, either. Most likely, Fife noticed Saturday's Transport Canada alert and called his high-level sources to follow up on the story.

          • You don't see this as Fife (with his story) and PMO (with its video) acting hand in glove or vice versa?

          • I have no idea whether Fife is a PMO stooge but I can't help but be skeptical of all the unsupported conclusions that are predicated by this assumption. As usual, Wherry drew a few dots and invited his readers to connect them.

          • Sorry. The "connect the dots" stuff has been worn out on the US blah-blah
            circuit and has sort of been unofficially retired in favour of (briefly,I hope) red flags.

          • You don't find it passing strange that Robert Fife, and only Robert Fife, seems to know exactly when to contact an "insider" (or one of several "insiders") to get the scoop on . . . just about every single government initiative since Duffy "retired"?

        • I'm not scared, and they don't look busy.

    • What on earth are you talking about?

      There have been many cases where credible intelligence about a potential terrorist attack has been made public after being uncovered, presumably to raise public awareness or discourage the plotters…I can think of several instances in the US where this has been done.

      • exactly, remember how Peter saved us all by sending those MIGs back to Russia.

        • It was a Russian bomber, not a MIG. But they heard Harper had prorogued their right to enter Canadian airspace so they went home to enjoy their own Harper Holiday.

          • No, they went home to recalibrate.

          • I meant an instance of public warnings actually helping to foil terrorist plots.

  4. In the face of persistent media scrutiny: "oh…I….err…the reason for…uh…look over there…a terrorist"

  5. Looks to me like van Loan is taking orders for a trip to Tim Hortons.

  6. Must. Change. Channel. Quick. Call. Fife.

    • In the face of Iffy saying he is ok with prorogation and Jack and Gilles not willing to Play House,
      yes, Wherry is trying to change the channel.

  7. So whoever leaked this would be in violation of all sorts of laws. We should launch an investigation into this fifth column in our government.

  8. This one cracked me up. The PMO photographer for the security photo is Deb Ransom.

    If you go to her website, you'll find she apparently specializes in "babies & bellies", the yet to be delivered kiddie on the cover shot ready to be suited with "Arsenal" underwear (maybe Lawrence Cannon's grandchild according to the logo).

    http://www.debransom.com/

    • Jolyon will be delighted.

      • I was. At least one woman in Ottawa has some taste and sense.

      • Jolyon, it really is a handsome emblem.

  9. Wow… seems like quite a questionable inference made by Aaron Wherry. He implies that Saturday's Transport Canada Alert is a craven attempt by the PMO to change the channel, based on… nothing at all, other than the fact that CTV's Bob Fife broke the story.

    • Well, true it is not clear when Deb Ransom from the PMO's office released the photo op photo.

      I think the other disturbing issue is the absurd amount of detail offered in the government release. Do you really believe that if multiple terrorist groups constituting over 20 individuals are traveling to Canada that our own intelligence is sufficient to justify concluding that there is "no direct threat to Canada".

      The combination of the "its a dangerous world out there" but "don't worry we will take care of you" themes makes the conclusion that the spin doctors are running with this obvious.

      • Do you really believe that if multiple terrorist groups constituting over 20 individuals are traveling to Canada that our own intelligence is sufficient to justify concluding that there is "no direct threat to Canada".

        From Mike Barber's Canwest report:
        Maryse Durette, a spokeswoman for Transport Canada, told Canwest News Service Tuesday she couldn't say what intelligence specifically led to the memo's release. But CBS reported on Friday that Mr. Abdulmutallab told U.S. officials of about 20 other Muslim men who had been trained in Yemen for similar attacks.

        If Canada received warnings from US intelligence agencies that Yemen-trained terrorists planned to strike the US using Canada as an entry point, that might explain the Transport Canada Alert sent to airports and airlines on Saturday.

        • The intelligence from the Underwear bomber was obtained I believe within the first 24 hours of his detention when he was singing. That was like two weeks ago.

        • Yes, but that wasn't what Stewart Smith was questioning. From the CTV article:

          "But sources say Canadian intelligence also had credible information of other terrorists planning to come to Canada.

          Insiders say this potential threat — and what to do about it — was discussed with the prime minister and his national security ministers on Monday.

          Federal authorities say the terrorists did not pose a direct threat to Canada. They were not planning to blow up a Canadian airliner, nor were they planning terrorist attacks at the Olympic Games in Vancouver and Whistler, or some other target in Canada."

          I'm not going to post the entire thing, but this is different from the U.S. intelligence we received.

          Further, I don't know what kind of "insider" would know what the Prime Minister spoke to whom about, when, if not a government insider.

          • Jenn, what I gathered is that the terrorists had no designs on Canada itself but were merely trying to use this country as a gateway to the US.

            Further, I don't know what kind of "insider" would know what the Prime Minister spoke to whom about, when, if not a government insider.

            Yes, obviously. Fife spoke to a government insider, probably someone in the PMO. It doesn't necessarily follow that Fife is a stooge and the story constitutes PMO spin.

          • Point one: yes, but how was Canadian intelligence able to come to such a blanketing general reassurance? That is what I (and Stewart Smith) are wondering. I mean, I know we will never know the details involved, but doesn't it even make you curious what specific intelligence they gathered that allowed them to reach this conclusion? Remember, the intelligence is about twenty individuals.

            Point two: The insiders thing wasn't directed to you, but rather the wilson/Scott_Tribe/tedbetts discussion above. It doesn't necessarily follow from this example alone that Fife is a stooge, but when you add up all the other examples, it kinda looks like a duck walking and quacking.

          • Jenn, I don't mean to be Critical but trying to be a voice to Reason is pure folly.

          • Hey, that was almost witty! Not quite, but you're getting there.

    • Bob Fife + strategically timed staged photo and video release + PMO panicking about the 170,000 "elites" reacting to prorogation = Totally a craven attempt to change the channel.

  10. But issuing warnings like this could affect the markets …

  11. Orange alert! No way we're changing govts now!!!

    • Damn, you beat me to the orange alert comment! ;^)

  12. 'Sources say Transport Canada issued this warning to all Canadian airlines, airports and the Canadian Air Transport Security Authority.'

    No where in the article does it say the 'source' was from the government.
    But read into it what you may, if it turns your cranky.

    • It says "insiders' wilson – that implies to me "insiders from the government"

      This looks suspiciously like the Bush administration purposely upping their "colour code" terror chart for political partisan purposes.

      • Insiders, inside what?
        The airport?
        airline,
        Transport Security?

        A government source was reached Monday night about the report.
        This is not from a government source or insider.
        Sorry to burst Wherry's bubble…….

        • I agree that it could be from a non-government "insider" source.

          Two points which point to the (slightly) higher possibility it is not just a government insider but a political staffer:

          1. The timely release of this ridiculous video

          2. The fact that the source is not identified as being outside government. I can see why a government insider or a political staffer would want to hide not only their identity but where they are from. I don't see an airport official having the same concern or even the same media savy.

          But you are right to ask "inside what" since we don't know. You are wrong however to conclude that it is not from a government source since we don't know.

          Also wrong to imply Wherry has called this a government insider since he has not.

  13. Look at Wherry, writing stuff

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