More outreach efforts in Canada by the Islamic Republic of Iran - Macleans.ca
 

More outreach efforts in Canada by the Islamic Republic of Iran


 

Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad this week hosted a conference in Tehran for ‘elite’ Iranians abroad, selected by Iranian embassies in foreign countries, including Canada.

Iranian pro-democracy activist and blogger Potkin Azarmehr describes the conference as a propaganda event designed to “demoralize the population inside Iran by pretending the government enjoys widespread support outside Iran.”

All invitees had their expenses covered by the Iranian government. Guests included non-Iranians, such as Harvard professor Richard Frye, who, according to Azarmehr, was given a house in the Iranian city of Isfahan, and former British MP George Galloway, who was last year barred from entering Canada.

According to Iranian politician and friend of Ahmadinejad, Esfandiar Rahim Mashaei, 49 of the participants were Canadian. I’ll post their names if I get them.


 

More outreach efforts in Canada by the Islamic Republic of Iran

  1. Time to find a new way to deal with Iran. Sanctions and threats of bombing them aren't working.

    Perhaps if we stopped giving them so much attention?

    • Yes let's send them flowers, with a note " congratulations on escaping todays assasination attempt by one of your citizens, hope you are well!" signed, your friends from Canada.

      • Or we could stop picking boogey men, and going nuts over them. This is the same scenario as Iraq was. Some tiny backward country is about to take over the world. Mushroom clouds are imminent. In the name of all that's good and holy we have to stop them…no matter the cost in blood and treasure, no matter the quagmire and chaos…

        We've been down this road many times before. It's time we stopped.

        There are other, better ways to deal with it.

        • Such as? Sanctions are designed to be the peaceful alternative to invasion. If we can't do that, what is the solution? Propaganda leaflets?

          • Cutting a country off from the world has the opposited effect in many societies. They just get stubborn and dig in.

            'We may have a crappy way of life, but it's OUR way of life and you aren't changing it' seems to be a natural human response.

            Far better to open them up to the world. Let them travel and see it, allow them to be educated elsewhere, trade with them, treat them with respect.

            It's a matter of timing to a great degree…the level of their society. We already know Iranians have turned against their govt, and most Iranians are under 20….that's the future. So they're the last people we want turned against us, and the last people we want to bomb.

            Calling them part of the 'axis of evil' and condemning them everyday and making them poverty-stricken will lose us the chance we have for a peaceful solution.

          • Open them up to the world? FYI, it's not the countries of the free world that are preventing people suffering under dictatorships from seeing the world.

          • Oh…have we invited them here to university, or to travel? Do we trade with them? Have we been at all friendly?

          • We could invite some North Koreans over to come to our universities or hang out at Banff, but their "government" WON'T LET THEM LEAVE.

          • After all that's been done to them, is that surprising? We've threatened them for how long?

            Been at war with them for how long?

            Did you expect 'instant buddies' at this point?

            But we could start….

          • You are living in a whole different galaxy there Emily…

          • No, I'm just pointing out that all our past 'solutions' haven't worked…anywhere.

            "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." — Albert Einstein

          • You will be pleased to know there are many Iranians currently studying at Canadian universities.

          • And do they go back to Iran to spread the word?

            Does Iran allow Canadian students?

          • Some go back… but frankly most probably will try to stay here.

            The top half dozen Iranian universities provide an excellent basic education in engineering/science, their students usually have pretty good English skills and coming to Canada does not seem to be as much of a culture shock as one might think.

            I am not aware of any Canadians going to Iran for their education. I do know of Iranian-Canadians who have gone back to visit family and the Iranians studying in Canada go back and forth for family events, to transfer classified documents etc.

          • Yes, so no real exchange and 'opening up' occurs.

            Please stop trying to stick in shivs

          • Lots of real exchange occurs. There is dialog back to family and friends, email exchange, visits by to Iran by expats. At the same time, Iran is a little over 2 Canada's in population, so having a few thousand Iranian students here is unlikely to force an immediate transformation. Check the quote from Ghandi and quit pokin your stick into my spokes.

          • Families visiting back and forth isn't remotely what I had in mind, but it's better than nothing.

            The shiv I was referring to was the comment on 'transferring classified documents'. The US gave the Shah nuclear tech long time ago.

          • My Iranian coworker would probably run away and hide if you tried to make her go back. She isn't particularly interested in associating with "those crazy people."

          • Lots of people in Iran feel the same way

          • That the people in charge of Iran are crazy? Probably.

    • Yes, the best way to deal with a problem proactively is to ignore it entirely. I mean, we tried bribing North Korea in the 90's, and that's turned out just peachy-keen, hasn't it?

      • Is N Korea doing us any harm? Is it in fact harming anyone beyond itself?

        Then why would we think of bribing, sanctioning and bombing it?

        People there are so poor they've been known to eat grass, but they are cut off from the world and don't know how others live. And we're making it worse.

        • Is N Korea harming anyone beyond itself? In case you didn't hear, they sunk a South Korean vessel a couple months back. So, short answer, yes. Not to mention threatening their neighbours with nuclear annihilation.

          The reason to sanction and bomb the country is exactly to destroy the regime that keeps the poor citizens of the North trapped in poverty and desperation.

          And many citizens of the North eat worse than grass, stories of cannibalism are not rare. But it's got to be pretty clear to anybody that this is the fault of Kim Jong Il, and not the international community, who would be the first to send food aid to North Korean citizens if it wouldn't all be promptly sent to the military.

          • Well that's S Korea's story, and it's only after many years of bickering and threats. Plus the US and allies are doing a huge 'war game' nearby. How did you think N Koreans would react?

            Threats are not reality. N Korea has no such capability….anymore than Iraq did, or Iran does.

            Sanctioning and bombing countries doesn't work….and who died and made us God anyway? It's up to N Koreans to determine the way they live, not us.

            Kim Jong il is 70 and gravely ill. He is currently paving the way for his successor, which is what all the hoopla is about. Since dynasties rarely last, it's unlikely his son will either.

            N Koreans know nothing about the 'international community'….beyond what dear leader tells them, so to them we are barbarians that must be resisted at all costs.

            Give them time, and they'll sort it all out by themselves.

          • Wow. Okay, so for North Korea to preemptively attack South Korea in response to a show of force that hadn't actually happened yet, is okay. But North Korea testing nukes while threatening their neighbours destruction should be met by passive acceptance? So basically, North Korea = good, Western Democracies = bad?

            Sanctions don't work? You must forget about South Africa, or the fact that sanctions on Iraq are probably the only thing that prevented Saddam from acquiring the chemical and nuclear weapons he sought. I think the effectiveness of bombing is self explanatory in that it kills your enemies.

            As for giving them time, and they'll sort it out on their own…. that's one hell of a risky proposition. How many decades may that take, and how many North Koreans will starve to death during that time? Or how many nukes might the North launch instead? Sure, threats aren't reality, but they're the closest thing we have to base our predictions of the future on.

          • How is it risky?

            Burma is in worse condition than N Korea….they have even imprisoned the democratically elected leader for years, and we do nothing.

            Saudi Arabia isn't any different than Iran…but we do nothing.

            But for some reason N Korea and Iran get us all worked up.

            So worked up that you feel free to misquote people.

          • We have sanctions against Burma also.

            The difference between Saudi Arabia and Iran is that the Saudi Royal's aren't out threatening their neighbours with annihilation as recourse for merely existing. Same thing with North Korea.

            The international community is pretty lenient with corrupt regimes, until they start threatening others. It's part of the reason Burma gets an easy ride compared to North Korea.

          • Yup, and that's all….even though it isn't doing anything. Nor is it going to.

            A threat….words….by a country incapable of doing such a thing, and you get your boxers in a bunch?

            The international community, ie: the west, isn't 'lenient' with anyone…we just pick fights with those that have things we want….like oil.

          • Ha! What exactly does North Korea have that the West wants?

            And I agree that sanctions don't do enough to most of these murderous regime's but its an incremental step used as a warning before military action becomes necessary, and I think it's a worthwhile endeavor if there's the possibility of avoiding immense bloodshed.

          • You know where N Korea is?

            Do you know there's oil there?

            Military action is never necessary, unless you're attacked.

            It PRODUCES immense bloodshed.

          • Okay, there's oil in North Korea. They rank #110 in the world for oil production, right behind Tajikistan and Zambia. They consume ~130 times as much oil as they extract. That ain't gonna make anybody any money.

          • Yup, and we could change that if we attacked, couldn't we….

          • I'll take that as a white flag on your part.

          • No you won't.

          • Okay fine, but it's nap time, and I'm getting a headache. Thanks for entertaining me this afternoon :)

          • Ahhh bitter areya?

    • Most Iranians in Canada Hate Canadians and are way of life!!!!!! Especially the young ones. I have heard many of them say this. You people are very very naive. Calling them part of an axis of evil is a grouse under statement. Every day more Iranians come here with the intent to take over our countries and clam it for Islam. Many Iranians are a major threat to Canada and The Canadian way of life. They should be stopped by any means necessary.

      • LOL

  2. There are points where I agree with you, but somehow I cannot forget the lynching of foreigners by ordinary Iranians not a while back. Their government did not sprout from nowhere, they are chosen by Iranians themselves after that lynching. I would say let the Iranian people get out from the chain they shackled themselves in. As for inviting them here, no thanks, not yet anyhow, otherwise we will just be used as a staging ground for another revolution.

  3. We gave them the Shah…who was a butcher. They tossed him out.

    In order to do that they went with religion….which has turned into a monster. They'd also like to get rid of that.

    Reformers aren't allowed to run for election.

    Canada isn't going to be a staging ground for anybody's revolution.

    • Acknowledging the Shah as the leader and giving them the Shah are entirely two different things. I never heard of Canada giving Iran their previous Shah. Only citizens of that country can toss out a leader. Foreign governments had no choice but to deal with the leader they are presented with. Giving that an acceptable reason to excuse the lynching of foreigners is quite ridiculous. What will happen had we supported the current regime from the previous? They would be blaming us right now for the current situation they find themselves in. Leave them resolve their own problems, so they could not look around and point their fingers at anyone to blame other than themselves.

      • The Shah of Iran was imposed on them by the west, and he was a butcher, so Iranians tossed him out.

        What that has to do with this lynching you're on about, I don't know.

        And as I said in the first post here….leave them alone to sort out their own affairs. No threats, no sanctions, no bombs.

  4. Emily, ask the tooth fairy for a dollar.