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Omar Khadr v. Nay Myo Hein


 

The Ottawa Citizen compares and contrasts.

There is a strong argument to be made that Omar Khadr was a child soldier, which makes this government’s treatment of him all the more egregious. The Conservatives have made a few half-hearted attempts to explain why they won’t accept his child-soldier status; most of the time, they’ve simply ignored the question, as if it weren’t important.

Meanwhile, a 25-year-old Burmese man in Saskatoon, Nay Myo Hein, was about to be deported this month when he got the news that two cabinet ministers had intervened to save him. Granting a stay of deportation and a residency permit was the right thing to do. But it raises the question: How can Canada be so compassionate to one former child soldier, and so indifferent to another? Canada shouldn’t merely reach out to help its citizens when the courts decide it has a legal duty, or when there are rallies in the streets. It should follow a consistent, transparent policy.

Fair enough. Unfortunately, the Citizen overlooks the important fact that Deepak Obhrai, the parliamentary secretary for foreign affairs, possesses the power to determine who qualifies as a child soldier simply by looking the suspect in the eye.


 

Omar Khadr v. Nay Myo Hein

  1. "How can Canada be so compassionate to one former child soldier, and so indifferent to another?"

    Assuming both stories are accurate, I believe Canada has done the right thing. Nay Myo Hein's story sounds exactly like a child soldier example should be while Khadr was raised to be a terrorist by his family and was in Afghan with bells on.

    And this should provide some interesting pretzel logic from the left because Van Loan and Kenney over-ruled Fed court to keep Nay here while I have been told for long time now that Kenney is virtually a member of KKK.

    • Can this moron be banned already?

      • "Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help, help, I'm being repressed!" Dennis The Peasant

    • Well actually I believe Kenney is a good sort, however in terms of logic… being an inconsistent racist does not make one less of a racist. But no, I do not believe Kenney is a racist, nor do I believe conservatives are racists. After all if there was a racist element in the Conservative party they would be helping Rob Anders hang onto his seat, no?

    • "He was raised to be a terrorist by his family."

      That verb is in the passive.

    • "Assuming both stories are accurate, I believe Canada has done the right thing. Nay Myo Hein's story sounds exactly like a child soldier example should be while Khadr was raised to be a terrorist by his family and was in Afghan with bells on."

      Joylon, do you even know what a child soldier is? Because you aren't making any sense.

      • "Around the world, children are singled out for recruitment by both armed forces and armed opposition groups, and exploited as combatants. Easily manipulated, children are sometimes coerced to commit grave atrocities, including rape and murder of civilians using assault rifles such as AK-47s and G4s. Some are forced to injure or kill members of their own families or other child soldiers. Others serve as porters, cooks, guards, messengers, spies, and sex slaves." From Amnesty International USA

        From what little I know about Nay's story, he was coerced into joining militia at age 12 and he didn't have choice. Khadr, on the other hand, can make no such claim. Child soldier means more than being under the age of 18.

      • "Around the world, children are singled out for recruitment by both armed forces and armed opposition groups, and exploited as combatants. Easily manipulated, children are sometimes coerced to commit grave atrocities, including rape and murder of civilians using assault rifles such as AK-47s and G4s. Some are forced to injure or kill members of their own families or other child soldiers. Others serve as porters, cooks, guards, messengers, spies, and sex slaves." From Amnesty International USA

        From what little I know about Nay's story, he was coerced into joining militia at age 12 and he didn't have choice. Khadr, on the other hand, can make no such claim. Khadr might have been 'manipulated' but by his parents, not Afghan army. Child soldier means more than being under the age of 18.

        • Huh? Oh, so manipulation by parents negates the manipulation of the child? It has to be done by a non-familail relation, then? Aunts, uncles, second cousins, do they count? Maybe just direct me to the relevant section of the charter so I can read it myself.

          • You are correct, I should have highlighted more words than just 'manipulated'. Khadr wasn't 'singled out' or 'exploited' nor was he 'coerced' to do anything. I have some sympathy for Omar, not much though, but I do believe his parents should be held to account for the person they deliberately created.

    • So Khadr was taken to Afghanistan by his father at the age of of 12 or 13 and brainwashed/forced into fighting for Al Queada, and you're saying he should be denied international and civil rights because of it?

      A compassionate Conservative you're not, but you're certainly a hypocritical one.

    • So Khadr was taken to Afghanistan by his father at the age of of 12 or 13 and brainwashed/forced into fighting for Al Queada, and you're saying he should be denied international protocols of child soldiers that Canada has signed, and denied civil right and the rights he has as a Canadian citizen because of it?

      A compassionate Conservative you're not, but you're certainly a hypocritical one.

      • "compassionate Conservative you're not"

        Thank you, Scott, I will take that as a compliment because I think compassionate conservative is another word for socialist. I much prefer wrath and spite in politics than 'compassion'.

        • I much prefer wrath and spite in politics than 'compassion'.

          Thanks, jwl. I have suspected that for a while but it's nice to hear you confirm it. Now I can add you to my comment killfile and not feel like I'm missing anything.

          • "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."

            It is simple, really. Compassion = Give a man a fish …. while wrath = Teach a man. I do believe in compassion between people but public policy is entirely different. 'Compassion' in policies/laws leads to dullards who can't look after themselves and that's not really compassionate.

          • "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."

            It is simple, really. Compassion = Give a man a fish …. while wrath = Teach a man. 'Compassion' in policies/laws leads to dullards who can't look after themselves and that's not really compassionate. I do believe in compassion between people but public policy is entirely different.

        • I much prefer wrath and spite in politics than 'compassion'.

          Thanks, jwl. I have suspected that for a while but it's nice to hear you confirm it. Now I can add you to my comment killfile and not feel like I'm missing anything.

  2. He was doing what his dad told him to do…period

  3. I wonder if Joylon was raised by his parents to be this way?

    Perhaps we should give him the benefit of the doubt and show him more compassion. I mean, he still won't make any sense, but at least there'd be a reason for it.

  4. Kudos to Jason Kenny and Peter Van Loan for doing the right thing, and intervening to stop Nay Myo Hein's deportation.

    • Quite right, Crit. Just because they got one wrong before is no reason not to congratulate them on getting one right today. Well done, gentlemen!

  5. I don't know what Nay's story is, but how's this for a general distinction:

    Is what Khadr's family did to him a crime? And I don't just mean where Child Services takes your kid away. I mean could/would/should Khadr's family go to JAIL for the garbage they put in his head growing up?

    Now ask yourself what Canada could/would/should do if we found one of those child soldier recruiters/kidnappers from Joylon's definition living here?

    • Well of course it was a crime! They taught their son to kill people! I don't know why we didn't go after the mother, either.

  6. Thanks for this, Aaron Wherry. I wasn't aware that the Secretary of Foreign Affairs had made such outrageous comments. "I could tell they weren't terrorists when I looked them in the eye." Probably this is the same guy who could "tell" that the two people stranded in Kenya were "imposters" by looking at their lips and ears. One of those people is now suing Canada for 2 million dollars.

    Re Omar Khadr: Yes, he was a child terrorist. That doesn't mean he had no human or legal rights. Three courts have ruled accordingly. Here are the facts and the law, for those who care to hear the truth:

    http://fakirscanada.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!BCDF

    • Probably this is the same guy who could "tell" that the two people stranded in Kenya were "imposters" by looking at their lips and ears.

      Technically, it wasn't a "guy" who made that call. The call was made by Liliane Khadour, Canada's representative in Nairobi. She has since been recalled.

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