The U.S. government shutdown is all the Republicans’ fault, right?

Unless it’s a pox on both their houses


AP/Pablo Martinez Monsivais

“As the U.S. government shutdown lurches into a third day, fresh embarrassment is emerging as the outside world weighs in on the shambolic state of American democracy.”—the Toronto Star‘s Mitch Potter

Talking about American politics is a hell of a frustrating exercise.

The federal government partially shut down on Monday because a disgruntled group of legislators is unwilling to give up on a crusade to defeat constitutionally sound healthcare reform. Partisan voices on both sides of the impasse that’s followed, if you can call it an impasse, bicker among themselves relentlessly in a rhetorical race to the bottom. There’s no end in sight. Meanwhile, the country faces an economic disaster if that same entrenched legislators can’t agree to avoid defaulting on the country’s debt.

For days, the government shutdown was widely reported as a showdown between Democrats and Republicans, who disagreed more or less on equal footing. Republicans wanted this, Democrats wanted this, they didn’t agree, and so much of the government ceased operations until the two sides could shake hands. This corner of the internet referred to the whole affair as a “dangerous game of chicken” in Washington, D.C.

That characterization is true in the very narrow sense that legislators from both parties do disagree about something, and neither side is willing to budge. But a few loud voices call that perspective utterly problematic. Jon Stewart played a role, as he does. Rachel Maddow played a role, as she does. Dan Froomkin, writing for Al-Jazeera, played a role.

Their basic view: This is all the fault of Republicans, and no one should be afraid to say it. Republicans decided to demand that Obamacare be defunded, lest the government stop spending money and partially shut down its services. Republicans knowingly did this, even though Obamacare survived an election and a constitutional challenge. Democrats refuse to negotiate with Republicans because they passed a law, that law survived an election and a constitutional challenge, and that’s not negotiable.

Stewart called the Republican strategy “utter insanity.” Maddow said electing Republicans means they “will burn the place down.” Froomkin, the least hyperbolic of the trio, called it “an attempt to make an end run around the normal legislative process.”

Froomkin takes reporters to task for not calling out Republicans. “The shutdown is not generalized dysfunction or gridlock or stalemate,” he writes. “It is aberrational behavior by a political party that is willing to take extreme and potentially damaging action to get its way. And by not calling it what it is, the political press is enabling it.”

Politics are complicated even when they’re supposed to be straightforward. Right now, just about nothing is straightforward. Until everyone agrees that Republicans are responsible for the loss of the panda cam. Right?


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The U.S. government shutdown is all the Republicans’ fault, right?

  1. “Democrats refuse to negotiate with Republicans because they passed a law, that law survived an election and a constitutional challenge, and
    that’s not negotiable.”

    That statement is utter insanity.

    Legislators legislate. This is not just adding laws, it includes changing or repealing past laws. A law that was previously passed does not have eternal immunity from change.
    All previous shutdowns, apparently there have been 17, were resolved by negotiation, because that’s what equal branches of government do when there is an impasse, unless it’s Obama and the Liberal media talking, in which case history started yesterday and the Republicans are to blame for everything.
    These same Liberal media actually try to declare themselves even-handed. This is why most people do not trust them anymore.

    • It’s called blackmail. They didn’t have the ability to stop the law, so now they are holding the country hostage financially to, as described in the article, “do an end run” around it.
      It is childish, unworthy, chickenshit behaviour. And to make the best of it, the basic ideas behind Obamacare came from the Republicans themselves, so this isn’t about the policy; it’s about trying to make the President look bad: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/09/25/krystal-ball-tells-the-truth-on-obamacare-video/

      • When you say blackmail, childish, checkinshit what you really mean is blackmail, childish, checkinshit, terrorists, scumbag, sexist, racist, lowlife, redneck anarchists.

        But, in my opinion, if you say any of those things, you are outing yourself as the child in the conversation.
        Over and out.

        • I don’t know if that’s the most – or the least – self-aware statement I’ve read this week. In any case, it takes the prize for “over-the-top” from both Maddow and Stewart.

          I’m never really sure how seriously to take s_c_f but he’s always entertaining regardless of what effect he’s going for…


          • I like to use the words idiot and stupidity occasionally to describe true idiots like you. Maybe I’ve used them in response to one of your comments that Canada’s Conservative government is filled with evil villains committing nefarious acts to ruin the country (are you self-aware that you say those things?). Words like idiot are a bit of a step down from words like terrorist, anarchist, blackmailer, hostage-taker, or other labels of criminal and/or violent activity.

            But if you’d like me to call you a terrorist for all the horrific comments you write that inflict violence on peoples’ minds, let me know. It’s silly and childish, but I can give it a shot. Or perhaps you’d like me to find an equivalent to “tea-bagger”, the favored disgusting word used by a lot of lefties these days to insult their opponents. I could probably come up with something sexually inappropriate like tea-bagger. Maybe I could come up with a word that was both violent and sexually inappropriate, perhaps I could call you a child molester because of the way your ideas are like violence on future generations. Calling somebody a child molester would be really taking it the next level!

          • Yeah, I’ve been called “commie” on here a few times because I’m not as far to the right as Attila. Possibly even by you. But no, childish and chickenshit are no worse than idiot or stupid. And blackmail is when you threaten someone with some form of harm to themselves or loved ones if they don’t give you what you want because you can’t get it legitimately.I think that describes this situation to a “T”.

        • Not using any language you yourself haven’t wielded, my friend. And I would say the same thing if the Dems did it. I don’t accept blackmail, and if I were in the Democrats’ shoes I wouldn’t cave either. No one should negotiate with a gun to their heads.

        • Do you mean “over” or “out” because using both is not only incorrect but makes no sense.

          • Google it, idiot.

          • Don’t need to dopey. I was once a radio operator in the Army and was trained by instructors not versed in the university of google.
            Over means “I’m finished and am expecting a reply.”
            Out means ” I’m finished and so is this exchange.”
            So using both in one response is nonsensical and most definitely not proper voice procedure.

            But hey it’s not the first time you’ve made an a$$ out of yourself by displaying your ignorance to one and all.

          • You can’t be serious. Get yourself some common sense. Do whatever you need to find some. Buy it if you have to. You are a complete and total idiot.

          • Common sense has nothing to do with correct voice procedure on the radio, but I guess that that is beyond a fruitcake like you.

            Proper radio procedure is important especially when it is expected that you might be under fire. but then I guess that was never a concern of yours.
            If you know anyone who was trained in correct radio procedure ask them because clearly you are a clueless idiot.

            PS the only time you use “out” and leave the channel open is when you utter the chilling phrase, “Contact, wait, out.” That clears the frequency of routine traffic because someone is in the thick of it.
            Again I wouldn’t expect a lightweight like you to understand let alone appreciate that.

          • Give it up, it’s getting ridiculous. You can’t even use Disqus properly.

          • Ah the classic change the subject when you are abjectly wrong routine.
            How do you dress yourself in the morning you sad individual

          • Did I hurt your feelings? I don’t care, you complete idiot.

          • You didn’t hurt my feelings, it’s just sad to see someone with no idea about the subject at hand act as though they have a clue.
            You really are a sad individual and I say that with a great deal of compassion and a degree of pity.

          • PS the only time you use “out” and leave the channel open is when you utter the chilling phrase, “Contact, wait, out.” That clears the frequency of routine traffic because someone is in the thick of it.
            Again I wouldn’t expect a lightweight like you to understand let alone appreciate that.

      • It’s not blackmail, it’s the legislative process. Just because you don’t like the way it’s turned out for your side, doesn’t mean that it’s wrong.

        • These are the same people who cheered on passing Obamacare by reconciliation when they no longer had the votes to pass it any other way.

          These are the same people who cheered on the NDP/Liberal/BQ coalition. The argument was that it was constitutionally sound, regardless of the fact the three parties just lost an election a few weeks before and any possibility of a coalition was denied during the campaign. But since the rules allowed it, it was peachy. There was no “hostage-taking” or “terrorizing” or “blackmail” in the commentary back then.

          Seems as though there are times when the rules are the be-all and end-all. That’s when those rules are benefiting lefties. When Republicans use the rules to try to achieve their own agenda, it becomes terrorizing and hostage-taking.

        • “Give us what we want or we’ll take away your money.”

          Sorry, it’s blackmail. Doesn’t matter which side does it.

          The whole US process whereby you can hijack one piece of legislation to tack on your own, unrelated riders in the hope of slipping things through that your opponents would otherwise find unpalatable has never made sense to me either. Though we are seeing increasingly similar behaviour on this side of the border with all those omnibus bills.

      • No one is being held hostage, ok, the kids and grand kids that will be life long saddled with debt-tax.

        You lefties are blinded by your greed of other peoples money. Reality is, you need to start pay as you go and stop the insanity of “just more debt”.

        Unemployment in USA started AFTER the policy change that made printing money for debt and governemtn bloat so big. Now to ween you idiots off the addiction to other peoples money is going to have some whine and belligerence.

        Any time so many become dependent on other people money and grand kids debt you can expect belligerent greedy to show its head, as dependency fosters entitlement belligerence.

        • Apparently you don’t have one clue as to why the government was shut down. Come back when you get one.

    • BTW – have you even watched the American coverage? There are lots of right-wing pundits down there who think the Republicans are doing the right thing. Not so much coming from the media decrying them.
      Americans are simply batshit crazy these last few years…

      • Yes, that would be Fox News.

        ABC/CBS/NBC/PBS/CNN blame the Republicans, the same way they always do. I’m sure they will figure out a way to blame Bush for this.

        Seems as though nobody can remember that the first government shutdown was done by a Democratic Congress in the early 80s.

        When the Democrats do it, it’s perfectly wonderful!

        Now is the time where you make up your list of excuses why it was ok for the Dems but it’s not for the GOP. Be creative when assembling the list of excuses. Use words like “hostage-taking”, “terrorist”, and “anarchist”.

        • Well, no – I thought it was a pretty insane way to run a country when they did it, too.

          • The republican/teabag wing are to blame and are batshit crazy. Do not try and accommodate them, sometimes the truth needs to be stated.

    • Liberal media ? – that’s a stretch

      • Agreed. They can’t be called media anymore.

        • Now that’s a stretch

    • Legislators legislate. This is not just adding laws, it includes changing or repealing past laws.

      So change or repeal a law. Fine. However, that’s not what the Republicans are doing, because they don’t have sufficient votes in the legislature to do so. What they’re doing is shutting down the federal government out of spite because they DON’T HAVE THE VOTES to change or repeal said law. Republican legislators, not having enough votes to actually change or repeal Obamacare through the legislature, are trying to get around this fact by blackmailing the Executive branch into negotiating changes that they don’t have the power to get through the legislature.

      • They’re not shutting down the government. They passed several bills to fund the government. The Senate rejected them all, so it is the Senate that is shutting down the government. They’re even passing individual bills to fund individual govt departments and the Senate is rejecting those too (for no apparent reason).
        If you say the House is blackmailing the Executive, then I say the Senate is blackmailing the House. They are refusing to accept the funding bill from the House and they are refusing to negotiate a new one.

        We all know that if the shoe were on the other foot, if it were the Democrats pushing for a specific funding bill and the GOP refusing to negotiate, you would blame the GOP for refusing to negotiate.

        • I’m sure if the Senate wrote a bill to fund the government bill with a provision to de-fund the Patriot Act that the House would pass it right away then, right?

          And if that were the case I’d equally blame the Senate for attempting to blackmail the House into legislative changes that they don’t have the votes to accomplish IN THE LEGISLATURE.

          • That makes no sense. Obama loves the Patriot Act. He expanded the spying program and he’s even been spying on reporters for the Associated Press and Fox News. He’s been collecting vast amounts of information. He’s gone way beyond anything that Bush did with the Patriot Act.

          • Well, pick your example. The point is, the Republicans wouldn’t swallow a poison pill inserted into a bill to fund the government any more than the Democrats will.

          • Poison? You seem to be obsessed with death.

          • That’s a well-worn metaphor that you can’t seriously be taking literally.

          • scf is a plank and a hack. I’d ignore the clown if I were you, if only for your sanity’s sake.
            Up is down and black is white in that idiot’s world

          • It also doesn’t make sense because all bills related to revenue must originate in the House, the Senate cannot write such a bill.

          • If that’s so, it’s a good thing for the Tea Partiers. The latest I’ve read says there’s now more than enough Republicans willing to vote for a clean bill in the House, but there’s a suggestion that the Speaker won’t let it come to a vote.

          • Yeah, you probably heard that from Democrats.

          • The Huffington Post actually, which you might say is the same thing (even though they do have a fair number of very conservative contributors, I’ll certainly concede that their leanings generally are quite clear).

            The HP lists 22 Republican members of the House, with quotes, who would apparently vote for a “clean” funding bill if it came up. With all the Dems, they’d only actually need 17 Republican votes.

          • However, if the Senate were to propose something like that, then that would be a good thing, that would be a start to a negotiation, that’s the furthest thing from blackmail.

          • You and I see just never going to agree.

            Having presented a poison pill to the Democrats, and the Democrats having refused to swallow the poison, I just don’t see how it’s anything less than extortion to insist that the Democrats are obliged to sit down and negotiate just how much poison they’re willing to ingest.

            Republicans are basically complaining about the fact that the Democrats, having refused to be stabbed in the face, are stubbornly refusing to negotiate just where they’re going to get stabbed.

          • Poison and stabbings. In the face! How about bombings and killings? Any other violent words? What happened to civility?
            Was it poison and stabbings during the other 17 shutdowns? Or are you just making an exception for this one?

          • I think the metaphor of the “poison pill” is well established enough for you not to take it literally.

            The stabbing point was me.

            The point is, so long as the Republicans are trying to insert amendments to the President’s signature piece of legislation in to standard continuing resolutions because they can’t pass said amendments in the legislature, I see no obligation on the Democrats to negotiate over it. CERTAINLY not so long as Congress’ approval rating is hovering around 10%, and opposition to the Republicans’ maneuvers is hovering around 70%, or so long as people like John McCain are talking how it’s about time they accept the fact that Obama won the 2012 election.

          • At some point, does Obama not have to admit that he did not win the House? He’s a President, not a dictator. Or so he claims.

          • Just so we’re clear, it’s not just me complaining that the Republicans seem incapable of accepting the fact that Obama won the election, and that they simply don’t have the support needed to defeat Obamacare at the ballot box, or in the legislature, or in the Supreme Court. I was getting that argument from socialist rabble rouser John McCain.

            To me, that’s one of the pleasant side effects of this insanity. John McCain is starting to sound reasonable to me again. Then again, PETER KING is starting to sound reasonable to me, and I find myself feeling bad for John Boehner, so that’s less “pleasant” than “disconcerting”. ;-)

          • See, the Republican Party allows conflicting opinions within its ranks based on local sentiment or member’s thinking. The Democrats mostly don’t.

          • I think one could look at that another way. It’s simply that while only some of the Republicans think that what Cruz and the Tea Party are doing here is crazy, the Democrats pretty much unanimously agree.

          • And the CPC doesn’t allow any MP to speak anything other than a centrally controlled party approved message. Anyone who speaks up to an even more radical right idea is booted out. Unless they spent too much money getting elected illegally. and in that case, it’s up to the courts.

            So the Republicans allow a kind of messaging chaos, and that’s cool, and the Democrats, who argue: hey, this is the law – are uncool.

          • Quite possibly that would get passed. A LOT of people are upset by the NSA spying. It’s certainly worth negotiating.

      • Wrong. They passed legislation. They are offering and willing to negotiate. they are offering to fund the government. The Democrats won’t move because they crassly want to put blame on the Republicans. Some people even fall for it.

    • Not at all, Obama isn’t negotiating and he is a Democrat. This is about the battle of ethics, do we mortgage America futures for bailout debt greed of today or do we really try to get things under control.

      Trouble is the belligerence entitlement blinds people to the greed addiction of debt is the cause of the economic problems, not the solution. Far too much idiocracy thinks you can debt spend out of a debt problem.

      They will get their debt and USA will economically fail for the next 3 decades, as debt addiction will drive them down.

  2. Froomkin takes reporters to task for not calling out Republicans.


    • I know.

      It’s terribly frustrating how the mainstream media is going out of its way to protect the Republicans by pretending that this one-sided lunacy is actually a crisis caused by both sides, isn’t it?


      • You clearly don’t understand the American political system if you say something like that, even with a wink. The MSM has seen Obama lie his way though 5 years now. It’s wearing thin on them, too.

  3. It seems the teaparty wants to take over the Republican Party – collateral damage be damned. So much for putting the country first.

    • So much for buying the media meme. The TEA (Taxed Enough Already) Party movement arose in response to the Obamacare legislation in 2009 when business editor Rick Santelli went on CNBC and urged people to rise up. They did, and 4 years later have been incredibly successful at changing the direction of American politics, despite endless attempts at demonization by the Democrats and the media. This is a grassroots organization, not astroturf like Democrats use.

      • The health care legislation is question is reported to have passed years ago and just recently went into effect- potential for change is always there of course, but legislation takes time to come to fruition in most cases, and the public seems to want to give the new system a try first.

        And grassroots organizations can be tremendously effective, however this one appears to be costing voters (across the political spectrum ) their paychecks and their parks.
        Can’t imagine that many American tax payers would want instability like that.

  4. It happened on Obama’s watch, he has to bear significant accountability for that. He won an election promising leadership, and he has not been able to lead. He wants to be a dictator, so instead of facing up and negotiating, he just calls the other guys evil.

    Sure the GOP deserves disdain for this…but Obama is the (non) leader, so he bears disdain as well.

  5. Well, it’s technically allowed. It’s slightly more legitimate than if you had a parliamentary system and you went to the governor general to worm your way out of an impending confidence motion.

    But yeah it still looks really really bad and it’s probably not a gamble you should take, especially when the other side is helping the country take its first baby steps towards a modern health care system.

  6. Froomkin makes sense. I’ve seen media outlets try and travel the middle line between creationism and evolution in the name of “fairness.”

    The GOP have not succeeded using a recognised procedure and the rules of government so they are going about it in a round about way.

    I saw a message that summed up the GOP/teabagger position accurately

    “Can I burn down your house?
    Just the 2nd floor?
    Let’s talk about what I can burn down.

    Some people just want to watch the world burn and they are invariably extremist loons with a huge amount of religious conviction.

    • The House of Representatives is precisely following standard procedure. They are passing legislation and they are offering to negotiate. It’s Harry Reid and Obama who aren’t passing legislation or willing to negotiate. Obama has illegally suspended implementation of parts of Obamacare and given passes to friends, something he is not allowed to do given the legislation involved. Obama is wearing this.

      • Negotiations have happened, appeals have been exhausted and now petulance has reared its head. The petulance is on the part of the whiny teabaggers who can’t understand that they had their chance and they lost and now have chucked all their toys out of the pram.
        Do as I say or I’ll destroy everything isn’t negotiation it’s blackmail, but criminality and the modern right go hand in hand these days.

  7. Obama official: “We’re winning. It doesn’t really matter to us how long the shutdown lasts.”

    Yep. All the Republicans’ fault.

    Ask the 800,000 laid off employees if they care how long the shutdown goes on, or who’s winning?

    Keep peddling that line, you unbelievable media hacks, and keep hiding quotes like that and pretending the Obama admin didn’t say them. You become more transparent every single day.

    You know why that official can say stuff like that? Just look through the “Government shutdown” tag on this magazine’s website.

    • You know why that official can say stuff like that?

      Because they’re winning, and politically it doesn’t matter to them how long the shutdown lasts?

      • Really? Ask the 800K furloughed public servants what they think about Obama’s admin not caring how long they go without a paycheck just so they can enjoy a victory over their political opponents. How long do you think they’ll be “winning”?

        • I don’t know how long the Dems will be winning, but it wouldn’t shock me if they held their ground at least until polls start showing less than 60% of American blaming the Republicans. ‘Cause today that number is around 70%.

          ETA: Sorry, that should be that 70% disapprove of the Republican tactic of shutting down the government to deal with Obamacare. The President’s lead is only around 10% on “blame” per se, at 44% Republicans, 35% the President.

          Interestingly, in addition to finding that 72% of Americans disapprove of the tactic, with only 25% supporting it, this poll had surprising REPUBLICAN numbers as well, with a full 49% disapproving of the tactic, and 48% approving.

          There are some pretty tough polling numbers for a speedy resolution to happen. The percentage of independents who disapprove of this tactic is currently 19 points higher than the percentage of Tea Party supporters who approve (76% to 57%). And with Congress’ approval rating hovering around 10%, while their incumbency rate approaches 90% (thank you gerrymandering) there’s little incentive for true compromise. I don’t actually think this will last for a terribly long time, but when you have a Congress who’s approval rating is historically low, but who’s members are almost impossible to displace (and those most likely to be displaced are conservative Republicans facing Primary challenges from the right), and a President who’s not facing re-election being asked to compromise on his signature piece of legislation, which was passed 3 years ago, and upheld by the Supreme Court over a year ago, it is hard to see a way forward. The best news is that it looks like Boehner’s going to stand up to the Tea Partiers and suspend the “Hastert Rule” in order to make sure the debt ceiling vote gets done, and the country doesn’t go in to default.

        • I suppose this partially depends upon how many believe that this current shutdown, while temporary, is exactly the sort of thing that the Republicans would like to make permanent.

          It really depends upon which Fox News narrative they believe is representative of the Republican position: “This shutdown is a disaster, why isn’t the President intervening to fix it” or, “See, you can drastically cut back on government services and hardly anyone is really affected. Why don’t we leave all these services closed permanently?”.

          For every Republican I see claiming that this is a major crisis that the President needs to help fix, I see two who think that getting rid of 800,000 federal workers should just be considered “Step 1”.

          • Hard to claim that when the House is passing bill after bill to return funding to the government, and each one gets shot down by Harry Reid.

          • It seems to me that passing bill after bill with the same poison pill attached is really no different than holding vote after vote on Obamacare for two years even though you don’t have the votes to get them through the legislature.

            And personally, I’d reject the Republicans piecemeal “We should fund veterans affairs but not cancer research, open the national parks but not provide breakfast to poor kids” strategy too. To me, it’s just rank hypocrisy. The Republicans today seem to passionately want to shrink government programs, except for all of the government programs they like.

          • They have passed bills with ‘poison pill’ attached.

          • Then look with your eyes open and see that the political representatives closest to the people — the House of Representatives — says it’s time to negotiate. This isn’t a dictatorship, Obama can’t impose his will. So far the shutdown has been good: long-term mortgage rates were forced down, his egregious foreign trip spending was slashed.

            The House has passed spending bills. the Senate won’t even let Senators vote on them. Obama is wearing this, and not well. Meanwhile, his goon squad shoots an unarmed woman dead with her 1 yr-child in the back seat. And then spreads unsubstantiated rumour she is ‘crazy’ and thinks Obama is stalking her. Another Democrat voter, yep, may be crazy.

          • You may complain as to the reasons that Obama is not wearing this, but so far I don’t see all that much evidence that he is.

            Here’s a poll from FoxNews (presumably not uber-biased in favour of the President).

            Among the highlights:

            The President’s approval rating is up 5 points to 45% in the first two days of October from 40% at the beginning of September.

            Congress’ approval rating is down 4 points over the same period from 17% to 13%.

            The President’s approval rating on Health Care specifically went from 38% to 45% in the same period.

            The Dems “Favourable/Unfavourable” rating is at 44%/49%
            The Republicans “Favourable/Unfavourable” rating is at 35%/59%

            “Do you favour or oppose cutting off funding for the health care law from the federal budget?”: 41% Favour, 53% oppose.

            “Who do you think is most responsible for the federal government shutdown?”

            Boehner + Cruz: 42%
            Obama + Reid: 32%
            Combination: 20%

            Maybe this won’t be as good for the President and the Dems as so many people seem to believe, but at this point he’s hardly “wearing it”.

  8. So three loud-mouth Democrat voices say something and that makes it true? Gimme a break. The Obama White House has made multiple radical changes to the Affordable Care Act which it is not entitled to do — the legislation that becomes law is passed by Congress not the White House. What’s been passed can’t be unilaterally changed. That is what has happened. The House of Representatives is arguably the most democratic of the three U.S. institutions involved — all its members are up for re-election ever 2 years. That makes it sensitive to changes in public thinking. In contrast, Senators serve for six years and only 1/3 are up for election each 2 years. The President is elected every 4 years, often on other issues — in 2012 Obama blatantly lied about Benghazi, had the IRS helping to suppress independent political groups and misled about Obamacare.

    The House of Representatives has voted to fund the government. The Senate has refused to even allow that legislation to be voted on. Obama is using the bully pulpit as his popularity has hit historical lows, and unemployment has stayed at historical highs.

    The House of representatives has offered to negotiate. Obama says “my way of the highway.” Whose fault is it? Not from a comedian, MSNBC mouthpiece (you wouldn’t accept Bill O’Reilly’s opinion, why accept Maddow’s) or foreign state media source. Do you think CBC should have a voice, too, like Government of Qatar-owned al-Jazeera? Surely this is a humour article.

  9. The Park Service appears to be closing streets on mere whim and caprice. The rangers even closed the parking lot at Mount Vernon, where the plantation home of George Washington is a favorite tourist destination. That was after they barred the new World War II Memorial on the Mall to veterans of World War II. But the government does not own Mount Vernon; it is privately owned by the Mount Vernon Ladies’ Association.
    The ladies bought it years ago to preserve it as a national memorial.
    The feds closed access to the parking lots this week, even though the
    lots are jointly owned with the Mount Vernon ladies. The rangers are from the government, and they’re only here to help.

    “It’s a cheap way to deal with the situation,” an angry Park Service ranger in Washington says of the harassment. “We’ve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting.”

    The above from http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/3/pruden-the-cheap-tricks-of-the-game/#.Uk71u34dqE0.twitter#ixzz2gm61YTgT

    Hey Savage, Alini, Tailor-Vaisey, et al…I think it’s time for another article about how all of this is the fault of the Republicans.

    Hacks. All of you. You should be ashamed to call yourselves journalists.

  10. Actually deadlock is a functional part of politics, it means there isn’t enough support to go one way or the other and thus must duke it out to get more consensus.

    I lived int he USA, and this isn’t the first, nor will it be the last deadlock. USA has 3 active branches of government and unlike Ottawa senate, they work for a living and participate with teeth.

    The real issue comes to this, do we pay our bills honorably, or do we keep the ruse of printing money for “just more debt”. Many people, including myself, have a more problem with mortgaging our kids, grand kids and futures for the greed of bailout and government bloat today. No country has survived money print for debt for very long, it always ends in everyone loses. But get belligerent entitlement greed, well, they will for this to failure.

    And failing it is. J CU PIIIGGGS in debt countries are failing, as the middle class is decreasing and the welfare classes are increasing. Its only a matter of time now before it breaks bad. And it is coming to Canada in time.

    Let them argue, as it in the end I bet they say yes to “just more debt” as debt addiction is like heroin addiction, just one more fix, and which one more fix is going to kill you?

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