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‘They’re black and you don’t want them in’


Liberal MP Jim Karygiannis gets accusatory at a meeting of the immigration committee.

“What happened in Kingston, Jamaica? … I’ll tell you what happened. They’re black and you don’t want them in.”

That set off a chorus of condemnation… and a point of order by Conservative MP Terence Young who called Karygiannis’s behaviour embarrassing. Karygiannis apologized for his choice of words (said he should have used the word ‘African’), but not his point.


‘They’re black and you don’t want them in’

  1. I have to click two links to find out what this is about, only to be confronted with the fact that CBC is still using Real Audio along with Window Media Player

    CBC: Pick one technology and stick with it.

  2. Jim Karygiannis strongly opposes same sex marraige and abortion. He's one of those Liberals that needs to get the boot at a riding nomination so that the party can revitalize. What a dinosaur…

  3. The Liberals are the most racist party in this country, but they're great at using race as a wedge issue.

    • *ba-boom-chee*

    • provide some empirical data for your conclusion? Otherwise, its just more CON rhetoric, usually manned to deflect an actual issue within the CON anti-ethical party…

  4. Statement by The Honourable Jim Karygiannis Intemperate Remarks in Committee

    This morning in the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration, I made an intemperate remark during an exchange with Assistant Deputy Minister, Claudette Deschênes.

    I was trying to express my frustration with the growing immigration wait times from Africa and the Caribbean. The time it takes to reunite spouses and partners from Africa has risen by as much as 92.3% since 2006 and from the Caribbean has risen by as much as 75% since 2006. The time it takes to reunite dependent children with their parents from Africa has risen by as much as 73.68% since 2006 and from the Caribbean has risen by as much as 114.28% since 2006.

    I regret my remarks and apologize to anyone I may have hurt or offended. I have written to the Assistant Deputy Minister to offer my apology to her.


    • I am an immigrant from Jamaica, and I am black – that is what I am. I am not African and would have actually taken offence to that. The fact that my MP feels that he needed to apologize for the use of the term "black" suggests that he has missed the point and is not in touch with his constituents.

      The reason an apology stems from the fact that he has managed to allow a serious concern to be side-tracked with innuendos. His statement at the committee suggests that the government is racist in making their decisions. If this is indeed true then he should indeed make his statement – but with proof. If this is not the case, but incompetence or backlogs or other ineffeciencies that is causing the delay, then this side-show is distracting and disrespectful to the concern at hand.

      So, now what? How do we get back to the real issue here?

    • LOL – I love reading this stuff. Nothing says genuine regret like a full stats-filled paragraph of justifications.

      And Jim? When you quote stats to the 100th part of a single percentage point you can probably dispense with the qualifier "as much as". Sends a bit of a mixed signal.

    • Whenever I hear an apology from a Liberal member I wonder if it actually hurts there standing with the Canadian electorate. There are lots of comments made by Conservative members that should be followed by an apology (IMO), but instead they refuse to acknowledge any wrong doing. Does the apology cause people to see the Liberals as weak or spineless, while the Conservative’s lack of apology makes them look strong and fearless?

      It’s an honest question.

  5. So yah got Bob Rae accusing the government of killing people because the swine flu vaccine is in hot demand.
    And this guy accusing the government of being racist.

    I can see why Wherry thinks the Conservatives bring down decorum in the House,

    • I agree. It's so over the top, I can't possibly imagine that this is effective. Do the opposition really believe this works? What's the point? A more nuanced opposition would be more effective, sticking to the issues rather than hurling absurd insults.

      • Conservatives partisans sure can dish it out though.

        • ''The OLO called to say that the Liberal Party of Canada would not been sending anyone to the Cairo conference, nor were they planning to. ''
          Libs said the media got it wrong,
          imagine that, eh. The media getting something wrong,

          • … and imagine that, the CON party squawking boxes trying to make it into an issue anyways. How times never change…

  6. Here's the thing about calling people a racist. It is way more effective if you just state the facts and let everybody else interpret it. In this case the stats look pretty bad. Maybe there is a reason (the share of immigrants from the Caribbean has increased substantially – but not by 80-100%), but when we live in a place where talking about pregnant women getting vaccines is heckled and the immediate assumption is that systematic racism drives Conservative immigration policy, we aren't in a happy place.

  7. interesting !

  8. Karygiannis got it right whether you like or not there exists anti-african sentements at the office of Jason Kenney

    read this article: http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=n02364

    Report decries delays at Nairobi visa office

    Applicants can wait years to be reunited with family due to processing, Canadian Council for Refugees says…..