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Medical dean warns against overseas schools

Slim chance of residency upon return


 

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Students considering medicine may want to avoid studying overseas, Dr. Dave Snadden, executive associate dean of medicine at the University of British Columbia, tells the Vancouver Sun.

“They need to know how much more severe that competition is if they go abroad and want to apply for residency positions here upon graduation,” he says, referring to the thousands of Canadian students who go to medical schools in places like Ireland, England, Australia and the Caribbean, usually after failing to secure spots in Canada.

His point is that their luck doesn’t improve much when they return, at least in B.C. When applying to post-graduate residencies, Canadian citizens who studied overseas are considered international medical graduates (IMGs), and according to Dr. Snadden, only 26—or about 10 per cent—of B.C.’s 292 residency positions went to IMGs last year. That’s discouraging news to many: more than 90 per cent of Canadians studying medicine abroad plan to come home for post-graduate training.


 

Medical dean warns against overseas schools

  1. If Canadian doctors with foreign qualifications cannot get Graduate
    (Post Graduate Training) then why Canada is marketing is self aggressively
    For foreign doctors …..Which will ultimately got no training or job in Canada.
    On the other hand medical schools can’t make or create Medical doctors but residency does!!! as there are huge shortage of medical residency in canada and with the bade finical situation in the world no new residency will be established ,Canada should think of recognizing international residency for Canadian doctors.

  2. medical schools can’t make or create Medical doctors but residency can!!! as there are huge shortage of medical residency in canada and with the bade finical situation in the world no new residency will be established ,Canada should think of recognizing international residency for Canadian doctors.

  3. Caribbean medical schools as well as other foreign medical schools market their institutions for students with a ‘passion’ for studying medicine. It’s unfortunate that instead of passion these students simply have ‘desperation’. They are taking the easy way out to become the doctors that mommy and daddy want them to be.

    If these students had a true passion, a fire burning within them to become a physician, fully licensed in this country, they would realize that nothing comes easy. They would realize that it takes more than a 4 year bachelors degree, that it takes more than that <3.5 gpa they worked so 'hard' for, and that it takes more than simply wanting to get into a respectable medical school.

    I will guarantee you, none of the students studying in the Caribbean are doing so because of the weather or because they like the community. They would pack up their things in a heart-beat if they had a chance at a Canadian or American medical school.

    Why work hard in undergrad when anything 2.0 and above will suffice for the Caribbean schools? And apparently, no MCAT, no problem… None of these people care about the value of education, just that they'll get an MD* to slap on at the end of their names.

    Oh and to any Caribbean graduates, good luck coming back to Canada, you're going to need it!

    • I don’t have a lot of sympathy for students who choose to study medicine abroad without recognizing the difficulty of coming back. We all make choices and must live with the consequences – and there is no way that Canadian postgraduate programs can accommodate everyone who wants to be a physician but cannot or will not obtain admission to a Canadian (or LCME-accredited) American) medical school.

      Some do go to the Caribbean knowing the risks but perform exceptionally well (especially on the USMLE eaxms) and are able to obtain residency spaces in the US. But the ones who go to places like Ireland or the UK straight out of high school since they are unable to wait? Or those that jump ship to Australia without at least giving it a few goes to the Canadian schools? Worse are the offspring of physicians, such as the daughter of the cardiac surgeon quoted in the Sun article – there’s no great secret to medical school admissions, and if you screwed around in undergrad or can’t actually do half-decently on the MCAT, there is certainly no entitlement to it. For those that just miss admission and don’t get in the first time, persistence usually pays off, even if it takes 2, 3, or even 4 tries.

  4. This dean is an out and out hypocrite. He knows what he is saying is rubbish. Yet he says it! The full article in Vancouver Sun has a surgeon form BC having his daughter do residency in NZ. A cardiologist friend in Ontario has his daughter doing residency in the US.
    Snadden will change his tune the minute a close relative of his does medicine overseas. How did Canada get this reputation for “fair play”? Its the biggest hoax!

    Full article http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.vancouversun.com/students%2Bstudying%2Babroad%2Bcautioned/6804393/story.html&ct=ga&cad=CAEQAhgAIAAoATAAOABAkZuF_wRIAVAAWABiAmVu&cd=KCGJ3CEXkaY&usg=AFQjCNHvkwjxcLSlQftn2wpquBHTFAQxFQ

  5. The US will benefit from all these Canadian students going abroad, as they have plenty of residency spots available. Canada’s inflexibility in making room for Canadian IMGs will be Canada’s loss.

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