Is this really the end for Justin Bieber?

Maclean’s archives: Jonathan Gatehouse on the popstar’s bogus meltdown



Editor’s note: A hearing is scheduled for Aug. 5, 2014 in Miami, to decide if Justin Bieber will go to trial on charges of driving under the influence. 

Let the record show that Jan. 9, 2014, marked the beginning of Justin Bieber’s descent into darkness. Or maybe twilight. It was after all, only 7:30 p.m. when the 19-year-old pop superstar and some buddies allegedly launched a salvo of eggs against a neighbour’s house in the upscale gated community outside of Los Angeles where he lives. Damage from the attack—dirty windows, sticky sidewalks and yolk-stained bricks—has been pegged at an astounding $20,000, and prompted a vigorous “felony vandalism” investigation by the Los Angeles County sheriff’s office.

So it was that early on the morning of Jan. 14, a dozen detectives descended on Bieber’s home armed with warrants allowing them to search for evidence. They didn’t find the videos they were after—or any eggs for that matter—but they did come across what they initially described as a stash of cocaine “in plain view.” Xavier Dominique Smith, a 20-year-old member of the singer’s entourage who goes by the handle Lil Za, was arrested on suspicion of drug possession. (The results of police tests on the white powder have yet to be released.) A charge of vandalism was later tacked on after he reportedly damaged a pay phone while in the county lockup.

Less than a week later, Bieber was back making gossip headlines during a trip to Miami Beach. After flying into town on a private jet, he and his retinue of hangers-on, including his 38-year-old father, Jeremy, received a police escort to a local strip club for the 30th birthday party of another member of his diminutive crew, Lil Scrappy.
There, Bieber showed his appreciation for the entertainment by “making it rain,” showering dancers with what the establishment tweeted was $75,000 worth of dollar bills. (Ricky “Disco Rick” Taylor, the owner of King of Diamonds Gentleman’s Club, would later tell a local radio station that the reports were overblown. “Justin Bieber didn’t spend $75,000,” he said. “He stayed for an hour. If he dropped $75K, he’d have been here for three or four.”)

While in Florida, the Stratford, Ont.-born musician worked on some new material at a recording studio. He posted video and photos of him and his friends skateboarding and playing basketball. And he shared a snap with his 49 million Twitter followers, of three paparazzi photographers standing in the surf, attaching a self-pitying message. “This is how I get to enjoy the beach :( ”

On the night of Wednesday, Jan. 22, Bieber and his buddies hit a number of clubs along the coastal strip. At Set—a “white glove service” night spot that, according to its website, boasts “table butlers” who assist guests in everything from making restaurant reservations to lighting cigars and even walking to the bathroom—he sat shirtless in a VIP room, sipping Red Bull. Around 3:30 am, he left in the company of a local model. Forty minutes later, he was under arrest for driving under the influence, resisting without violence, and having an expired license.

The Miami Beach PD will never be accused of trying to hush up the affair. Just before 8 a.m., the force tweeted their celebrity collar, using the #BreakingNews hashtag and Bieber’s own handle. By late morning, they had also released an official mugshot of the singer, glassy-eyed, but still smiling brightly in his jail-issued red fatigues. The arrest report relates how an officer spotted a yellow Lamborghini and a red Ferrari “drag racing” at an estimated 55 mph (88.5 km/h) along a main thoroughfare, as two large black SUVs blocked traffic behind them. When he caught up to the rented Lambo several blocks later, the cop found a belligerent Bieber behind the wheel. “Why the f–k are you doing this?” the singer is said to have demanded. “What the f–k did I do? Why did you stop me?” The officer claims the teen idol smelled of alcohol and had bloodshot eyes.

Later at the station, Bieber failed a sobriety test. Raymond Martinez, the chief of police, told reporters that the musician admitted to drinking and smoking marijuana, as well as having taken a prescription anti-depressant he’d obtained from his mother, Patti Mallette. The driver of the Ferrari, Khalil Sharieff, a 19-year-old R&B singer, also faces a charge of driving under the influence.

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Earning his first arrest certainly isn’t good news for Bieber, who has built a lucrative career over the past five years by serving up unthreatening pop music to a global audience that consists almost entirely of preteen girls. And it’s just the latest in a string of off-putting incidents. He’s been caught fighting with paparazzi and urinating into a mop bucket in a New York restaurant, and there was the release of a video of him sleeping, shot by a Brazilian woman variously reported to be a hooker, porn star, or a model. In the last few months, the baby-faced crooner has shown up hours late for several of his concerts, been photographed exiting a van in what appears to be a cloud of pot smoke, and accused of cussing out strangers with alarming regularity.

But even as websites like TMZ claim he has deeper drug issues, and report that his managers and friends are planning an intervention, there is little evidence to suggest he’s actually on the road to ruin. His blood alcohol content at the time of his arrest has been variously reported as being 0.011 and 0.014, well below the legal limit, and despite being more than a year shy of Florida’s drinking age, not enough to trigger even an administrative suspension under state law. (The case will hinge on whether he was impaired by other substances.) The supposed “drag racing” didn’t even result in a speeding ticket. No one was hurt. There was no property damage. His bail was fixed at the standard amount for each of the charges and totalled just $2,500.

Like the hype that surrounds Bieber’s music, the furor over his extracurricular activities seems mostly manufactured. The almost inevitable “fall” stories that are due a pop-culture figure who has been pumped up beyond all reason. The details—pot, rudeness, women—change, but not the format. Anonymously sourced tales and candid pictures—sometimes emanating from his own camp—that keep his name and face constantly in the news, and speed his transition from teen idol to adult entertainer via gangsta-lite misdemeanours.

“The transformation is certainly very deliberate when teen stars are looking to move on to more adult perceptions. That’s just the nature of the business,” says Jeetendr Sehdev, an L.A.-based branding expert with the firm Walton Isaacson. “That kind of marketing is done externally with the fans, and internally, so that entertainment executives see them in another light.” Miley Cyrus’s twerking rupture with her Hannah Montana past is a perfect example, he says. In the immediate aftermath of that MTV awards performance, pundits predicted she too was finished. Instead, the controversy propelled her song Wrecking Ball to the top of the charts—her first No. 1 hit in the U.S.

And while Bieber surely didn’t plan to get thrown in clink in Miami, it’s a misstep that can be played to his advantage. “Troubled times can absolutely help a brand. It’s referred to as turning flaws into features,” says Sehdev. The singer’s audience is rabidly loyal and will accept almost any change—as long as they feel it’s authentic. “If he’s now truly a rebellious brand, he needs to embrace it.”

The larger question might be whether Bieber is still down with the overall plan. Plucked from small-city obscurity by Atlanta-based impresario Scott “Scooter” Braun at the age of 14, he has lived his entire teenage years in a bubble. Packaged, coached and styled for stardom, he was already a YouTube sensation before his first album, My World, dropped in 2009. It debuted at No. 1. His second disc, My World 2.0, released in 2010, managed the same feat and went on to sell more than five million copies worldwide. By the time he hit 16, he’d been the musical guest on Saturday Night Live, performed at the White House, and been the focus of an entire episode of Oprah.

But along with the fame and wealth has come constant scrutiny. Bieber has always been at the forefront of social media, documenting, sharing and selling virtually every aspect of his life. In addition to being neck-and-neck with Katy Perry for the world’s most-followed tweeter designation, he has almost 14 million subscribers to his Instagram account, and has racked up 63 million Facebook “likes.” Type his name into Google, and you get a billion hits. It doesn’t leave much space for secrets.

In the spring of 2012, Bieber left his Atlanta base and bought his own $6.5-million home in the Estates of the Oaks of Calabasas, a gated community within a gated community, 45 km northwest of Los Angeles. The 10,000 sq.-foot, seven-bedroom, eight-bathroom “French-style” mansion boasts a pool, skate park and six-car garage. (He purchased an even nicer house for his mother, a few streets away.) The town was already home to a number of celebrities, including Kourtney Kardashian, Nikki Sixx from Mötley Crüe and Dwayne “the Rock” Johnson. But Bieber’s presence has proven an outsized distraction. Neighbours like Keyshawn Johnson, a former NFL wide receiver, have gone public with complaints that the singer drives along residential roads and excessive speeds in his many super cars. And Bieber’s frequent parties are a source of consternation. Guests to a Great Gatsby-themed event last November, including Chris Brown and Snoop Dogg, were asked to sign a legal contract, agreeing not to divulge details of the festivities on pain of a $3-million fine.

Nonetheless, TMZ breathlessly reported the soiree went on until 3 a.m. and included the presence of 20 “big booty strippers”—an extravagance not included in F. Scott Fitzgerald’s original text. The neighbour whose house was egged in January called the police three times to complain about the noise. The gates keep the hoi polloi out, but don’t stop other rich and private people from judging him.

Miami Beach Police/Reuters

Bieber’s family suggest he’s being unfairly singled out by the press and police. “What he does is everything a 19-year-old boy does, only he is more open,” his grandfather, Bruce Dale, said in a brief interview last week with the National Post. “The paparazzi follow him around. So don’t tell me he is doing something that any other kid isn’t.” And when Patti was promoting Nowhere But Up: The Story of Justin Bieber’s Mom, a harrowing memoir detailing childhood sexual abuse (by non-family members) and her violent bust-up with the singer’s dad, she expressed the same view to the Wall Street Journal. “You don’t think of yourself as a celebrity, you’re just doing life,” she said of her son’s fame. “You want to experience everything everyone else does. You’re making all your mistakes?.?.?.?But the media is there to catch it all.”

In the past, Bieber has been very open about whose path he is striving to follow: the King of Pop. When Braun and his protégé are facing tough decisions they don’t ask “What Would Jesus Do?” but rather how Michael Jackson might have handled things. “I model my career on the decisions Michael made and how he kept his young fan base and kept his private life private,” Bieber told Maclean’s in 2012. “All those things add up to me. That made him super interesting.”

The young singer is of course aware of how things ultimately turned out for his idol. The idea, he says, is to copy the good stuff, not the bad. But on the cusp of his 20s, Bieber no longer seems quite so sure that the sacrifices he’s making are worth it. In December, he sent a shiver through his fans when he told a L.A. radio station that he soon plans to retire from music. He later claimed it was a joke. But Bieber repeated the threat in a Christmas Eve tweet. “My beloved beliebers, I’m officially retiring.” Forty minutes later, he was back online with the all-cap, ungrammatical promise “IM HERE FOR EVER.”

The danger signs, such as they are, point more to him fading away than burning out. Bieber’s latest album, the digital-only Journals, was a flop—at least by his monster standards. And his latest concert film, Believe, which debuted the same weekend, has so far grossed just over $6 million. (Never Say Never, his 2011 offering, took in $99 million.)

Even as a 14-year-old, Bieber appealed to a younger demographic, with his concerts mostly filled with the eight-to-12 crowd. Six years on it’s unlikely their parents hold much sway over what they listen to. The original Beliebers are deep into their high school years, and have exchanged pop crushes for real ones. They’ll soon be off to college. Maybe it’s high time Justin Bieber grew up too.

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Is this really the end for Justin Bieber?

  1. another douchebag takes the news spotlight…how very original…

    • Your so mean. Justin’s a great guy everyone try’s to hate on him because they what to be just like him. He loves his fans he is very inspiring he makes great music an yes he went to jail but he messed up he made a mistake and about the tattoos he is not the only pop star that has them. And his tattoos are religious like Jesus angles bible and praying hands so yea!

      • You are amazing. I think the same thoughts about Justin.

      • What is a “so mean”? You refer to kiko having a “so mean” but then don’t finish the thought. My so mean. Your so mean. His so mean. 8-/

    • But it sells. We as a society celibate celebrity idiocy.

      • What does one’s marital state have to do with it?

    • That is an insult to douchebags everywhere.

  2. People with lots of tattoos are known to be very violent people.

    • Source?

    • I also hear that profanity causes poor church attendance.

    • You are lying. People look pretty cool with tattoos, and I know that Justin is not violent.

    • What planet do you live on? People with tattoo’s are violent, give me a break. I personally have 9 tattoo’s and every one of them hold a special memory or moment of my disabled son, and dead parents. If you think all people with tattoo’s are violent you need some serious counselling!

  3. google it

    • You made the claim….back it up

  4. What a so very wonderful example of good manners and behavior to the plethora of adoring impressionable followers. As my elders have said ” show me your friends, and I will show you who you truly are” . Money/wealth does not often beget class.

    • I agree with you Tony. He is showing his fans that its cool to egg your neighbours house and party up with cocaine etc. He is a mentor to his fans so the boys will act like Justin to get the girls. his haircut was popular among the boys so will egging your neighbour house and doing drugs etc. I wonder how many boys did what Justin is doing to get the girls cuz its cool,. how many overdosed or worse yet died because they wanted to be like Justin. Then there is the girls. These girls will date a guy who is doing drugs etc and have haircuts like Justin cuz the boy is like Justin…squeal omg he is just like Justin Bieber. look at him snort that cocaine and drink booze squeal. these girls will have a life of hell. Thanks to Justin Bieber for showing that generation on what a boy does that’s so cool and showing the girls that its cool to be with a guy or hang with guys that does cocaine pills etc. .Justin will only get worse with his addictions, he is already proving it. he is getting worse. what a shame. I hope he gets it together before he kills himself or worse yet kill someone else. Especially if he is racing around in his car high and drunk. . .

  5. Too bad he had to grow up in public. A billion dollars permits some billion dollar mistakes. Hope he survives and gets to actually show the world if he has any talent other than being a douchebag.

    • I agree with you Jeff its to bad that fame went to his head and he is screwing it up

  6. Excuse me but I’ve been a fan since I was 13 and I’m now almost 18 and still very much a fan. I can say with great confidence, considering I am good friends with many that I have met on social media, that the majority of his fans are 16-23 years old. And if he is fading, then good riddance to those leaving the fanbase because they are not wanted anymore. Maybe it’ll be easier for some of us who have been waiting years to finally meet him. And the thing is, people assume we like him and wanna meet him because we think he’s hot or we are just obsessed or whatever. Well, maybe fore some. But for me and many others, he changes our lives. At a time in my life where I thought I had nothing to live for, he gave me hope. He’s my reason to smile. So judge him all you want but understand that his true fans, the ones that have stuck with him through everything, will continue to be here for him. Sure we’ll grow up, get married and have kids but we will always support our idol. The person who made us who we are. We will always be there for him because he was there for us when nobody else was. So we will be here for him even if one day he has nothing left.

    • You have never met Justin Bieber YET he made you who you are? Oh what a world we live in.

      Also – I am 23 and I can say with great confidence I have never met a 23 year old who listens to Justin Bieber. You realize he became popular when I was 19? Most 19 year olds do not listen to 14 year olds.
      You need a hobby. Go to University. Get a boyfriend or girlfriend. Volunteer. Do something meaninful so you’re not preoccupied with a person you have never met.
      What a sad life you live.

    • I agree I love bieber you go girl

    • You rock!

    • Justin hates his fans, you realize that, right? He only does it for money. Actually, he DID it for money, but now he does it because he has too…he is locked into contractual obligations with the “entertainment industry.” If he decided to walk away, lawyers would ensure he doesn’t have a CENT to his name.

      • I agree with you and tweeting his fans saying he is retiring from music then 40 minutes later tweeting he is here forever. what a sick game… getting your fans upset then turning around and saying that he is here forever. I wonder how many girls cried when they saw that tweet that’s not respect to his fans that’s emotional abuse. I am more inclined to say he doesn’t respect his fans, why would he want to upset his fans like that. also to any of the girls, would your mother let you date a guy who drinks does cocaine and is racing vehicles and egging the neighbours house?j Do these girls think he is a good catch cuz he does cocaine booze etc and has hookers and drag races his cars I mean what a dream he is and the life you would have with a guy like this. he comes home smelling like booze and high from coke oh yeah and that hooker he had sex with. now isn’t that marrying kind a boy you would introduce your mother? lol cmon girls I know you can do better than a guy like Justin Beibers . its to bad he didn’t smarten up and grow up and then he would be a catch

  7. I think everyone can agree that this is all rather illegal, but the notion that this is the new standard for a celebrity ‘meltdown’ still sort of boggles me. Or at least, it would if we as a society hadn’t collectively decided over the last two years that Norman Rockwell hasn’t been dead for long enough, because now I guess being female and dancing in skimpy clothes is also apparently considered a ‘meltdown’.

    My prediction of next year’s headlines: “Celebrity accused of pre-marital coitus! Casual alcohol consumption also suspected!”

  8. Gosh I just love Justin but it’s sometimes hard to feel bad for him. On second he is vomiting on stage the next in jail! I hope he does not retire because i really love his music but then agin I hope he learns his lesson. I still love him he just like any other 19 year old and I continue to be Beiblever ( I spelled it wrong but you know what I mean)

    • Emilee would you like to have a guy like that for a boyfriend? He drinks does cocaine., etc eggs neighbours houses getting thrown in jail and oh yeah having sex with hookers would you introduce him to your daddy?

  9. You shouldn’t have arrrested Justin, because he didn’t mean any harm. He was just doing what other boys do. Most boys smoke and drink, and some like to pull pranks like the egg one. You should let him go and let him begin to sing again. Justin is super handsome, so you shouldn’t arrest him for nothing. I have been a fan for a long time and I know what he is up to. If you don’t liet him go I am going to beat up someone. Most people hate him, but that is really really mean.

    • Yeah, he’s a good guy at heart. We all love a few lines of coke now and then, spending £5000 on weed a week.

      I’m pretty hot. Maybe if I kill someone they shouldn’t arrest me right, because I’m sexy? Hey, you could come and beat me up, I could silence you, and then they wouldn’t arrest me because I’m such a charming chap.

      Or he can sing in jail.

      • he will be singing in jail when baba gets ahold of him, Baba likes pretty boys oh well at least he can keep up with his singing practising with baba behind him

    • “Justin is super handsome, so you shouldn’t arrest him for nothing.”

      I think even Justin would admit that you sound like a total idiot with an IQ of ZERO. Get a life, or better, get mental health assistance.

      • You forgot to suggest she take some remedial English…

    • And his wings are just slightly singed from flying too close to the sun . . .

    • Rose if a 20 year old boy threw eggs at your house would you say Don’t arrest him he didn’t mean any harm? have you ever tried to clean up eggs? or maybe you would want to beat him up especially after you clean all the egg of your house. I bet you wont think he is handsome then.

    • They didn’t arrest him for nothing. They arrested him for something. Several somethings, in fact. Duh……………..

  10. The tattoos show that he has a propensity for violence and mischief.

  11. Bieber’s career is crashing down on him. Only a matter of time before he will do something stupid enough to get deported from the US.

    • that’s true mike then he wont be able to fulfill these contracts that he signed and the ;lawyers are going to love this and poor ol Justin sitting in very cold Ontario Canada and he will be singing Cry Cry Baby instead of baby baby baby

  12. Who cares

    • I care…. its sad to see that he is going down the wrong path in life. Its like winning a lottery to be recognized thru youtube . that is winning the lottery. there are a ton of talented people on youtube that are better musicians than him. he got lucky cuz personaly I don’t think he is all that great of a singer to begin with so he got lucky and he is just throwing it all away… the fool

      • Spoken like a mother. He’s a twerp and already a failure. The fact that he caught the fancy of a bunch of teenager girls does not make him anything, in my opinion.

  13. Its to bad that money went to his head. He should take time out and reflect on where he came from. A broken home with no money. He should be grateful that he was blessed with the life he has now and here he is screwing his life up. what will happen to him when he goes broke? when a person partys like he does it will only get worse. what happens if he gets deported? His career will be ruined and if he cannot do what he has signed a contract for, he can be sued. I know he is just a 20 year old boy and his mother says he is just doing what any 20 year old boy does, well his mother hasn’t looked at what other boys do and if she thinks that he is normal doing what he is doing, then she should take another look at her life cuz that’s not normal what he is doing, also she gives him antidepressant pills? If this is tru she needs a slap up the side of her head is she a doctor? she is the worlds worst mom if this is true that she is giving her antidepressing pills to him, this shows me she should win THE WORLDS WORST MOTHER award cuz I have children and I would never encourage cocaine pot etc and I certaintly wouldn’t give them pills. she needs to smarten him up cuz he is only going to get worse with the drugs booze etc. he is already late for his concerts next it will be a no show. then lawsuits. also how could he tweet his fans saying he is retiring then 40 minutes later tweeting he is here forever, that’s a game he is playing with his fans. that’s sick and that’s abuse.I wonder how many of his fans actually cried when he tweeted he was retiring how evil is that?. I wonder if he laughed, that tells me he is sick in the head.. its to bad he cant grow up and be grateful to what life gave him

  14. This isn’t the end of Bieber. Any time a entertainment career slows, they do idiot stuff for media attention. Bieber got just what he wanted, Macleans, CBC, CTV, CBS, ABC et al free advertising. We love it, we watch it and better than paid advertising.

  15. thank you Carol. I wonder what my grandson’s generation will inherit. As it now is most of our so called educated young people are functionally illiterate, unable to string words together in a sentence without profanity much less able to put pen to paper. Godless, heartless, bloodless, fatherless… What a sad sad world

  16. DISTRACTIONS. People just eat them up.

    I wonder what this “scenario” was contrived to keep people from looking at?

  17. Justin is not bright, so what does he know. His brain dead fans will still like him, since they are dumb as well.

  18. Poor poor Justin trying to establish street creds. How’s that working for you? I don’t think you’ll ever be taken seriously by anyone but teeny boppers. And showing up for the order of Canada in baggy coveralls. I think you’re just an embarrassment to Canada. And I not surprised the US is petitioning for you deportation.

  19. The above article isn’t entirely true.To begin with Justin Bieber wasn’t really famous until he was SIXTEEN years old not FOURTEEN years old.Also if you really know what the “Beliebers” are like,many of them are fifteen years old and the pay so much attension to Justin Bieber because they cant find a highschool boy who’s WORTH having a “crush” on.I don’t understand this “crush” business anyway.Most females marry guys they hate or could care less about TO LIVE OFF OF THEIR MONEY.NO OTHER OPTIONS ARE MADE AVAILABLE TO THEM. Also,back when Justin Bieber was still more popular with the general public MACLEAN’S MAGAZINE MADE A LOT OF MONEY PUTTING JUSTIN BIEBER’S PICTURE ON THE COVER OF THEIR MAGAZINE.Also,you’ll find that,for the most part,Justin Bieber’s “haters” are sexually desperate hetrosexual males who are INSANELY JEALOUS of Justin Bieber because he can get females to have sex with him without having to buy those females.These sexually desperate hetrosexual males who hate Justin Bieber CANT TO THAT.

  20. Quick! Get this boy on meds right away! Oh wait; The article said he’s already taking his Mom’s antidepressants.

  21. The Bieb just never had a chance growing up to experience some ‘tough love’ from his mother or grandparents. He was an object of worship, not discipline. Now it’s too late to learn discipline or be guided on the value of self-respect–especially with a ‘lost and found’ papa now eager to let the spoiled brat believe he can get away with just about everything as long the millions keep coming in to support his strip club expenses. Only time and misfortune will make this ‘rebel without a cause’ a mature person….if he survives long enough… But, really, it’s the rest of us. nauseated by the 24/7 Bieb-spectacle on our screen, that should cause us concern about our own survival! Retire, already!

  22. The venom directed at this teen by the media and some in the General public for doing what scores of teens do and worse, is obscene and a reflection of the mean spirited country we are becoming. The main cases against him are actually weak as TMZ has brought out and they are no friend of Justin Bieber. Libertarian Judge Napolitano also indicated the police may have lied in Miami and have it out for him. The evidence indicates he was not drag racing nor drunk with alcohol as claimed. The residue of pot and Xanax in his system cannot be proven to have been taken in the club he was at unless they produce witnesses; they have attempted to get his girlfriend to testify against him but she contradicts what the police want her to say. There is more but I am not writing a book here.

  23. People r just bragging on him and saying that he’s bad. He’s just a teenager going up into an adult. I just read every single dog on word on this article or what ever it is, but he learns from his mistakes and people ( well some people ) love him for that. U people don’t have to me almost 300,000,000 girls or some boy beliebers chasing you. Your just jealous people. Why don’t u say a prayer for him. He’s a very hot and cute guy. Just stop bragging on him. S-T-O-P. Is that good enough for you well maybe if your kind and loving. Look everybody has to love people no matter if the hate them. If I have to deal with it U can deal with it. But one day J-U-S-T-I-N B-I-E-B-E-R is going to stop doing all the mistakes he have done people so just deal with it. It’s not like u live with him or your with him all day every day just don’t worry or brag about a person u don’t like that’s very mean. And Justin if your reading this I love you and your the best. I hope you enjoy all your fans who still loves u with support instead of bullys or braggers. But I just want u to know that I love u with all my heart and support and thanks for what you’ve done for all your fans. Love u! XOXO

  24. How are people with a lot of tattoos known to be violent. Please talk what you know. Don’t talk what you don’t know. Plus my dad has a lot of tattoos and he’s not violent. Tony_SFO_YUL don’t say that. That’s rood and and mean all at once.

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