Time to send a message to Canada’s postal workers

It is hard to imagine a more coddled, out-of-touch and overcompensated group than postal workers

Time to send a message to Canada's postal workers

Sean Kilpatrick/CP

Rain or snow or sleet or hail can’t disrupt the mail. But what rhymes with seven weeks of annual paid vacation, out-of-whack pay scales or infinitely bankable sick days?

While the rotating strike by workers at Canada Post has proven to be a hardship for many Canadian businesses, it is also shining necessary light on the massive disparity between postal employees and workers in the private sector. Outside of bureaucrats in France, it is hard to imagine a more coddled, out-of-touch and overcompensated group than postal workers.

Canada Post’s efforts to bring labour costs in line with common sense, modern technology and market rates should be supported regardless of the strike’s immediate implications. A successful conclusion to this strike might even spark a broader rationalization across all Crown corporations and government operations.

By any objective measure, a job at the post office is well-rewarded, despite the weather. Research by the Canadian Federation of Independent Business in 2008 found postal workers enjoyed a 17 per cent wage premium over comparable private sector jobs. The current offer from Canada Post would raise wages by 7.4 per cent, on a cumulative basis, over the next four years. Union officials are demanding 11.55 per cent—a massive increase for workers who are already demonstrably overcompensated.

As with most sinecures, however, the real advantage to working at Canada Post is in the benefits. Postal workers currently accumulate sick days at the rate of 15 per year, with no maximum. The extent of this bottomless bank of sick days is illustrated by a recent Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) bulletin that offered up the apocryphal example of “Narinda,” who has “402 days of sick leave credit.” Canada Post is sensibly proposing to buy out this improbable inventory; Narinda would receive $3,000 cash for her hoard of sick days.

Then there is the matter of paid vacation. Current full-time Canada Post employees are eligible for up to seven weeks of holiday, a prospect far beyond imagination for most in the workaday world. And the pension plan has an unfunded liability of $3.2 billion.

The business of mail delivery has changed dramatically since the last postal strike in 1997. The advent of electronic bill payment, email and the rest of the digital revolution has led to a 17 per cent decline in letter mail volume since 2006.

Canada Post’s sensible strategy is to establish a more reasonable pay and benefits system for workers in this declining industry—but only for new hires. Other than replacing the absurd sick-day bank (which Canada Post has offered to refer to binding arbitration), full-time postal workers would keep all their existing wages and benefits, whether appropriate or not. New employees would have a lower starting wage, receive six weeks of vacation instead of seven, and subscribe to a different pension plan.

Canada Post’s offer is reminiscent of the deal given North American dockworkers when intermodal shipping containers revolutionized the stevedore business in the 1960s. Existing workers had their jobs, wages and benefits protected for the extent of their careers, but anyone hired after the deal was signed was expected to accept reality. It seemed more than fair back then. The same logic should apply today.

While disputing the decline in mail volume and continuing to make unrealistic demands on wages and benefits, the postal union is nonetheless seeking new ways to hold the Canadian economy hostage: CUPW has called on Canada Post to expand into banking and finance. The prospect of rotating bank strikes is no doubt pleasing to union organizers. Not so for the rest of the country.

Of course the current postal dispute has significance far beyond the future of letter mail or the ambitions of Canada Post and its union. The gap between private and public sector compensation has now reached crisis proportions, and must be addressed for the sake of equity, affordability and coherent labour peace.

One example of how large and untenable this gap has become can be found in Statistics Canada’s recent observation that public sector employees now constitute a majority of all pension plan participants, despite being outnumbered more than three to one in the workforce. This suggests two types of retirement in the future: one of carefree luxury for public sector employees, and one of reduced expectations for everyone else. A similar dichotomy is at work with Ontario’s practice of paying a bonus to every corrections staffer who takes fewer than 23 sick days per year.

A postal strike seems as good a time as any to start imposing a new sense of reality on the public sector.




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Time to send a message to Canada’s postal workers

  1. To correct the paragraph concerning sick time bonuses for Ontario Correctional Staff:  the bonus is not paid to every staff who takes fewer than 23 sick days.  It is based on a province-wide average cap of 23 days.  If this cap is exceeded, no-one receives a bonus. The average is based on more than just sick days and also includes WSIB time-off etc. Actual sick time is considerably lower than 23 days. For example, my 3 co-workers and I together last year used 5 days.

    • And did you ‘bank’ any?

      • Sorry modster, I’m going in for nights so I had to get some sleep.  To answer, no we can’t bank sick time.  And since I work a 12 hour shift, if I call in sick, it counts as one and a half sick days.  Or if I were to go home sick with an hour left, it still counts as one and a half days.

  2. In time, even union employes will live like the rest of us, if we support the government’s move to make it so.

  3. Even as a public servant myself, bankable sick days that pile up infinitely and have some kind of cash value are just insane. The point of sick days is that you use them when you’re sick so you don’t infect the rest of the office (which is bad for getting anything done). They’re not part of your salary and not something you should stock up on to collect a giant cash payment when you retire.

    If my employer offered me $3000 for the sick days that I haven’t used, I’d sign up instantly before they changed their mind. CUPW is out to lunch.

    • Same here. I was outsourced by an employer with 180 days of unused sick leave. Accumulated over 20 years at 10 per year. When I was outsourced I just lost them – no money and no thank you.

      • Could that have been why you were outsourced?

    • Okay, but here is a scenario. My father has 3yrs banked sick leave, after working for the Federal Government for over 35 yrs, and he plans on retiring in 6 months..and he is not taking sick leave to the end of his retirement. But he had those days there incase he got sick or needed an operation etc..thank goodness he didn’t. He will not get paid out for these, he is unionized and he is happy to just be a good attender. So banking sick leave is a bad thing? I have to disagree.

      • You’ve missed the point. Nobody in the private sector gets to bank three years’ worth of sick leave. Why should a government employee? The company I currently work for caps stored sick days at 12, roughly enough to carry employees through to short-term disability kicking in. Other companies cap at 30 or so, but there IS a cap and no, it’s not real often private industry “buys out” sick leave.

        Sick leave is like fire insurance. You hope you don’t need it. Insurance companies don’t reimburse/refund policyholders whose houses don’t burn down.

        • Why shouldn’t a private sector employee recieve a bankable sick time program? It seems to me that too many people think it is a bad thing for hard working employees to recieve a good pension, sick time, vacation leave, etc., instead of realizing that the public sector is what is bad. Just because your job doesn’t offer these things to you doesn’t mean they are wrong, it just means your employer’s are profitting more and giving less to its employees. And isn’t that wrong?
          The Ceo of Canada Post makes almost 500k a year plus bonus’. It is still a very profittable organization due to online shopping, advertising, plus very necessary for small business owners. I personally do not believe that it is wrong for there employee’s to stand there ground on better wages for new emoployee’s, good benefits and vacation time (we all could use more). With the cost of living rising so drastically how can we possibly say it’s okay for younger people to except less pay. How will they ever be able to afford to buy houses or raise families. Too many work places are doing this and the outcome for the future generations scares me.

          • I agree.  I’m not about to send a message to anybody that says standing up for your right to earning a living wage and good benefits is a bad thing.  The people I have a problem with are all these losers who compete over who can tolerate the worst working conditions while their CEOs are laughing all the way to the bank.  Get a life people.  You’re just asking for things to get even worse.

        • meagery 2004, 12 days of sick leave is pretty crappy.  Nurses in Alberta can bank 1.5 days per month to a total of 6 months.  That way, if you need surgery or get cancer, you can get full pay for 6 months before you go on long-term disability and receive 66.6% pay.  As you can see, with banking 1.5 days a month, it takes quite a while to get up to the 6 months and if you are sick any days, it takes longer.  If you miss more than 3 days they typically can request a physican’s note.  There never is a payout.

        • No, I think YOU are missing the point.

          My, but these editors are being disingenuous! Throwing out random figures to mislead the public, without fully explaining their meaning. Where are your journalistic ethics?

          In order to have banked 402 days worth of sick time, an employee
          would have had to have taken NO SICK TIME at ALL for almost the entire
          tenure of his/her job. Using Macleans’ editors’ own example, at 15 days per
          year sick time allowance, it would have taken “Narinda” 26.8 YEARS OF
          SERVICE with NO TIME OFF to accumulate that much sick time!

          Gee, I
          dunno–sounds like she ought to be celebrated for working for almost THREE DECADES without taking even ONE day of sick time!

          Banking sick time is like insurance. If you need it, it’s there. It can be used up. No one wants to be in financial straits due to injury or illness. Nor should they be. And BTW, Canada Post does not pay out unused sick time.

      • There is short-term disability at many private workplaces for people who have a serious illness that prevents them from working temporarily. That’s more appropriate than banking up tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of sick days.

        • yes but short term disability programs are funded by the tax payers!

      • You’re looking at it bass ackwards.  Sick leave is a generous gesture to help the employee (albeit, with the direction of our government mandates).  It is not something that is owed to the employee, as financial renumeration is, for the work done.  Quit being a winer.

        • Not when Canada Post is a Crown Corporation, meaning taxpayers subsidize these generous benefits which they don’t get themselves. Also, companies bear the brunt of higher postal costs due to the higher employee costs. Someone eventually has to pay, but as long as it’s not you, who cares right?

    • Well said. They are there for a reason, and have become abused.

    • As a postal worker, most of the sick time I use has nothing to do with being ill, it has to do with ongoing injuries that I have sustained while walking 12k per day and climbing 1500 steps (about 100 shy of the CN tower, if you’re curious) all while carrying an extra 30lbs. And unlike the flu, my injuries do not get better after a day or two of sleep and soup. Sorry, I wish they did.

      • Maybe you should have thought of that before becoming a postal worker? Or are you being held hostage in your job?

      • Cry me a river.   Letter carriers typically work a 4-6 hour day, and as for walking 12k per day….so what, it’s a great way to keep in shape and be paid for it.

  4. Perfect article.

    • Only if by “article” you mean “sample essay to accompany application for Junior Assistant Bootlicking Toady position at the New Ministry of Global Propaganda.”
      Wake up! It’s gutless, unsigned bird cage liner – the kind of selective factoiletry you’d expect to find in the Toronto Sun. How about some context: it takes 28 years of uninterrupted service to get to 7 weeks vacation. CPC is a for-profit concern whose response to diminishing mail volumes is to try and maintain profit at a cost to workers. Other postal services worldwide have successfully branched into other services, such as banking. nobody wants to be on strike – and the strike has been operated to minimize public impact while drawing attention to the vindictive intransigence of the corporation.
      Who benefits when one group of workers tries to drag another down out of spite? Could it be owners? The gap between the richest few and everyone else is already obscene, yet growing. Individually we cannot change that; but to focus instead on dragging down the guy who’s just a step or two above you on the ladder, plays into their hands. There’s nothing wrong with having a good job – and the only way there can be any kind of Global Economic recovery, is for jobs (whether maintained or created) to allow consumption to return to those levels. A two tiered workforce will be disastrous. 
      Instead of spitefully undercutting those who work hard for fair compensation, maybe you should be wondering why the Financial sector now accounts for 7.5% of GDP, without returning anything more productive than it did in the 60′s when it represented only 3%.

      • Typical. The rich have too much money. It should be ours.

        • So are you agreeing with what dangerhouse has to say?

          I agree, there is nothing wrong with having a good job. I had a great job, and I took a huge pay cut to be a postie. I started a family and I was working 60-70+ hours a week. Money was great, but I wanted to be there for my family. CP was on the table along with a couple other jobs, but I took it, because it seemed like there was a future in it, long term. Now, not so much. I don’t feel bad, I have very marketable skills and can get another good paying job. But for the men and women 15-20 years in, mid 40s to 50s those folks are in trouble and that is who I’m fighting for.

          @modster, it sounds like you want a job like an lc but either did not apply, applied and were turned down, or are just not qualified, because I get the impression that we had what you want. I am very curious to hear what job you have done in the past that is harder, just to understand where you are coming from and if you actually have done something that is comparable or are just spouting off with no real idea. What do you thing the average letter carrier does in their daily duties? What have you done that makes it seem easier and overpaid?

          • Not agreeing at all. That was pure sarcasm.

            Those folks are in trouble, but there probably isn’t much you can fight for. Their pension is in trouble.

            I have posted before, but a lot of my jobs have been harder. I worked as a delivery driver for one of the big soft drink companies. I also worked on the rigs. I had other manual jobs on topt of that, so I get a kick out of all the folks saying that I couldn’t handle working at CP or in the cold. As far as working at CP – it never crossed my mind. I wouldn’t be able to support the union, and would hate giving it money every two weeks.

            As far as my beef, it is all the people who only see ‘big bad company’ and ‘poor little worker’ – they miss the big picture. That is what I don’t like.

          • Well- what is the truth in your eyes? I’ve rigged too- Red Earth, past Lloyd, it was tough, 3 weeks on 1 off, but the money was incredible and it wasn’t harder than LC and the pay made up for the danger and being away from home. You were a driver or a chaser for Coke or Pepsico? BTDT and it wasn’t even close to being a hard job once you got the route figured out. I cheerfully did OT there too. It’s not just the cold dude, it is hoofing it at a military clip- basically covering 15-20km daily in a 4 hour period while stopping all the time to deliver, negotiating unshoveled sidewalks, unsteady footing etc. The routes are measured in the summer for summer walking, not measured or timed for winter conditions. Then coming back to the depot and being told to do another 2 hours on another route. And try hand sorting several thousand pieces of mail into a case. not the easiest of jobs.

            Big C- corporations control the media. They own it. So folks that hear one side of a story WITHOUT any critical thinking or searching for the other side(because there are two sides to everything)- just taking what Macleans, or any other media outlet says as gospel, are not only poorly misinformed, they are helping the Big guys. And it is about the average middle class worker against a big corporation. If folks are scratching their heads and wondering why the middle class is disappearing, wonder why the gap between the insanely rich and everyone else is growing- this is a case in point. The Corporation is telling it’s workers they are SOL, the workers are trying to stand up for themselves and instead of getting support and respect, they get derision and negativity from people eating up the pap the media sells them.

            This should be about bringing people up, not breaking people down. Instead of giving support to a hard job, folks are saying hey, you overpaid people, quit crying and have your wages reduced 22%. Really? You think CP has trouble hiring and keeping people now? There is a less than 1% retention rate of this job in the winter. People trying out for the “cush” job quit because the money is just not on par with the level of difficulty.

            On May 2nd, 1933, the day after Labor day, Nazi
            groups occupied union halls and labor leaders were arrested. Trade Unions were outlawed by Adolf Hitler, while collective bargaining and the right to strike was abolished. This was the beginning of a consolidation of power by the fascist regime which systematically wiped out all opposition groups, starting with unions, liberals, socialists, and communists using Himmler’s state
            police.
            Fast forward to America today, particularly Wisconsin.
            Governor Walker and the Republican/Tea Party members of the state legislature are attempting to pass a bill that would not only severely punish public unions (with exception for the police, fire, and state trooper unions that supported his campaign), but it would effectively
            end 50 years to the right of these workers to collectively bargain.Collective bargaining is a process of voluntary negotiations between employers and trade unions aimed at reaching agreements which regulate working
            conditions. Collective agreements usually set out wage scales, working hours, training, health and safety, overtime, grievance mechanisms and rights to participate in workplace or company affairs. -wiki
            First of all, assaulting the rights of workers to collectively bargain has absolutely nothing to do with any immediate budgetary issues. It does however have everything to do with ending one of the basic rights of labor to organize. Fast forward to Canada today, where the right
            wing conservative government imposes regressive legislation ending the workers’ right to strike and free collective bargaining.
            Being locked out is shitty. Being legislated back is worse.

          • @subwoofer04:disqus can’t reply to you below, so I will here.
            First of all, LC is as hard as the rigs – Ha Ha Ha.
            Give it up with trying to show LC as the hardest job in Canada. Also, why run to finish a route in 4 hours, when you are paid for 8? Oh, yeah, if someone doesn’t call in sick, you can go home.
            Check out these numbers:
            http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/06/17/weston-canada-post-sick-leave.html
            “Statistics show that on an average day at the post office, over five per
            cent of the entire operating workforce will call in sick, while roughly
            another 20 per cent will be classified injured or otherwise partially
            disabled and assigned to limited duties.”
            “Under their existing contract, postal employees get up to 15 sick days a
            year – three work-weeks — at full pay. Since 2005, the average worker
            notably has been booking off sick roughly 14 days a year.”

            The longer this strike goes on, the worse it gets for the union. As the information comes out, people will see exact.y what is going on.

            As far as Hitler, give it up.

            As for the US, they have a huge issue. Unions have money that they use to finance politicians. Politicians return the favor, by increasing the benefits in the workers contracts. They can’t hike the wages through the roof, so they give benefits. In 4 years, the cycle repeats. Who is there to protect the taxpayer? No one. Either take away the rights of ‘state employees’ union members to strike, or stop the unions from donating to political parties. Then the problem becomes the union ‘encouraging’ their members to donate to a certain candidate. It would never end, and bankrupt the country. Have you even looked at the benefits that they are trying to claw back? They are sick, and will bankrupt the country.

            Does Canada have the same issue? It would be interesting to do some research.

            Start using logic, reason, and facts, and you will see that the union’s demands are untenable. Unions have served their purpose, but now they are hurting the economy.

            Either way, quit trying to make the CP jobs sound so repressively hard. No one is buying it.

          • @subwoofer04:disqus By the way, please link to where you got the 1% stat – it smells – like BS. The more you type, the less believable you are. I would submit that you never worked on the rigs (no one who has would say that LC is just as hard). Also, I would submit that being chase or a delivery driver with either of the companies is harder. You might have worked there 25 years ago, but times have changed. (and some of them are unionized, and have fair compensation levels).
            You mentioned the unions in the states, and by your comments, I can see that you know nothing of the situation there. Here is a video you should watch.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CxP5clZf_g&feature=player_embedded

            People are starting to see what the unions have been doing, and how it is hurting our economy. Again, the longer this strike goes on, the less support you will have with the general public. As the facts come out, people will support the company, not the union.

            As far as you not liking the lockout or the back to work legislation, that is not a big surprise. While doing the rotating strike, you were all still getting a pretty good pay. The mail was still somewhat going through, so the customers weren’t as badly effected. It was the company who was getting hurt, and you could have done the rotating strike for a long time. The one thing you don’t seem to notice is that customers went elsewhere, once you started the rotating strike. They were afraid of a work stoppage, and didn’t want important documents ‘in the mail’. The lockout is what hurt you, because now you have to receive strike pay. Ouch. Does the union even have any of your money left, or did they spend it all? As far as being legislated back to work, I am sure there are quite a few posties with mortgages who love the idea.

            See, the more the info comes out, the more it makes the union look bad. At first I believed the BS that the union was doing the rotating strike to be nice. Now I know better.

            By the way, I have never heard that CP has a hard time hiring or keeping people. Quite the contrary. I have heard that people have to work part time for up to 5 years, waiting for a full time position to open up. Doesn’t sound like 99% of the workforce leaves every winter. You folks are pampered, and are now about to wake up in the real world.

            We welcome you. :)

      • thank God a voice of sanity! I was drafting a letter just now when I realized you said exactly what I was going to say only better. What ever happened to journalism? The wage demands in the editorial were fictional! Just bloody right wing knee jerk inflamatory reteric designed solely to enrage people! And people buy it! Yah, our society would be soooo much better if everybody made $18 bucks an hour! So you don’t get vacations and sick time in the private sector? How about looking into that?
        damnine

        • Right on!  I read Macleans weekly and I’ve never seen such a one-sided editorial.   I suggest you (the editors) look back a few issues and see where Canada Post ranks for transparency of information.  It’s lucrative government corporation propogating information to seize public sympathy to retain more money on the backs of workers.  1.4 BILLION dollars in dividends to the government, so far.  Where has that money been spent?  Investigate that.

      • Welcome to the real world. A free market where you compete with others for your services. The days of guaranteed jobs until 65 with fat pensions is over. Unions have killed the goose that lays the golden egg. But if you disagree, feel free to donate more in taxes every spring. No one’s stopping you.

  5. Do you know of any other employer that disciplines a worker for being two minutes late back from a break? Canada Post does! Do you know of any other employer that disciplines a worker for talking to a co-worker while WORKING? Canada Post does. Try working on this wonderful new multi line that Canada Post has installed at a huge cost (to speed up a falling amount of mail?), its a two tier system and the bottom row of stackers is a back breaker. To all the people who winge and whine about the postal workers, get a job at Canada Post then you have the right to comment.
    Incidentally,  two new employees (young and fit) lasted two days at a postal plant, then left sayying that the work was too hard!!!!
          So until you’ve walked a mile, or should I say several miles in a postal workers shoes please keep your ill informed comments to yourself.  

    • Oh no, you guys are expected to be on time and not idly chatter to your friends at work? You really have it hard. 

      You say “get a job at Canada Post then you have the right to comment.” Done, do you know how many people would love to have half the benefits and much less pay then you’re getting? I really hope they just scab you all.

      I’m sure you’ll have a long winded response to this, god knows you have all the time in the world sitting around at home trolling CUPW related threads during the time you should be getting paid way too much to do too little work.

      • Based on the time of day of your response you must be using your employer’s computer and time for your reply. Perhaps you should be fired!

        • You’re right, I’d better go ask my boss if it’s ok. “Hey me, is it ok if I comment on a Macleans article? “Sure me, go right ahead.” “Thanks me, you’re an awesome boss. And sexy to boot.”

          Ok, I asked my boss, he says it’s fine. He also wanted me to tell you that you sound like a bit of a douche. His words, not mine, sorry if it offends you (I’ve got to pass on what he says or else he says I can’t take the weekend off :S).

          • Typical how quickly the boss resorts to abusive language when their duplicity is questioned.

          • So, as the “boss” it’s okay to be lazy?  I bet you’re one of those people who’s on the phone and computer all day…and then is the first person to chastise someone for doing the same.  I believe that’s what’s known as a hypocrite!  Yep, I asked some other hypocrite bosses and they verified it.
             

          • Well, when you’re working for yourself, you can be as ‘lazy’ or industrious as you like. You still have to earn your paycheque.

          • It still makes you no less a hypocrite.   A “do as I say, not as I do” kind of person.

        • Goodness Connor, have you never heard of shift work?

      • Maybe you should stick to playing guns in the woods with your buddies! I hope they scab you all too. Wait you are the scab!

      • “Done?” What do you mean? You’re spouting on in total ignorance, after you were just advised that you don’t know what you’re talking about. HEY BOZO! We mean try doing the work before you tell us how easy it is; meanwhile, stop being an ass by broadcasting your ignorance. Planning a career in politics, perhaps? 

        • It takes a ton of education and skill to be a postie.. sorry to say it..

      • If you can’t get a job there, you’re probably just not qualified enough.  Face the facts, you didn’t get called back because you didn’t impress them at the interview…and you’re impressing no-one right now either.  All these super-workers that can’t get a job at Canada Post…They can’t be all that super!  Let’s see 50,000 jobs and you can’t land one of them?  What that tells me is that there are a lot of “bottom of the barrel” employees that are jealous of someone “more qualified” than them who is also being paid more.  Bring yourself up…don’t drag people down to your level.

        • I’m guessing–just guessing–that there might be some nepotism involved, especially since it is such a sweet gig. Your first clue that the job is overpaid is that you have a hundred thousand well-qualified people who would love to take the place of the people currently working there.

          • nepotism in a national corporation? Really? Usually that works for a family owned business but for a big faceless company like CP… not so much. And as for the well qualified people… They get weeded out in the hiring process, at some point if they pass the initial aptitude test, multiple interviews, physical, sortation test, lc school etc.

        • I think that was where Mod was coming from and your post is a good reply to that… or to address where many of the other negative comments are coming from.

      • Union workers don’t realize that their time is past. They’ll do anything to protect their golden parachutes, even at the expense of the public and the financial feasibility of the company/department they work at.

    • Most of us would die for 7 weeks’ paid holidays and the gold-plated pension and other benefits you posties get.  Get real.

      • ignorance is bliss

      • Why don’t you join a union then?

        • Such jobs are not exactly easy to get on the planet on which I live.  I can’t speak for your planet.

          • You are in quite a pickle, eh? Can’t even get a union job.  Couldn’t be much use in the business world either.  Rib, Rib. 

          • If your position is that all of us without pensions should get work at Canada Post or similar cushy venues, that is one incredibly stupid position.

          • No dumber than not looking out for your interests and not forming common cause with your fellow man to demand what is rightfully yours.  Don’t blame union members for having the sense to do what you did not.

          • I’m not blaming them for that.  I’m explaining why many of us don’t see ourselves heroically engaged in some common struggle against some common enemy.  The posties are looking out for themselves, period.  I get that.  But they’re not looking out for me, and if they and their fellow travellers had a shred of honesty and integrity, they’d admit that.

          • Yep, there’s only about 50,000 of them.  I can’t imagine that if a person set a goal to work at Canada Post, they wouldn’t find themselves “living the dream” in a short while.  And then a short while after that, they would be looking for an easier way to make a 100 bucks.

          • So bagging on us and our jobs is your plan? Tear us down to bring yourself up? Yes, we are looking out for ourselves and our family. Nothing wrong with that. And it is a slippery slope- what path we go will affect many as it sets a precedent one way or the other. So things can either get worse and 48000 people go down, and there will be trickle down, or things get better.

      • Do you know how many years you have to be with Canada Post to get 7 weeks holiday? Obviously not. Try 28! You are typical of people who think they know everything about Canada Post, as I said try working there then you can spout your opinion with some knowledge.

      • Apply for a postion at CP.work there for 28 years and you to can have
        7 weeks holidays.

        • Oh, there’s one catch…you have to get past the first 7-10 years or so…no big deal being an on call casual for about the first 3 years…sure it’s tough living on an unkown amount of money every month…but at least you have a job, right?  Then when you’re done your 3 years of temp…you can go part-time.  That should put you at or above the poverty line…depending on how low that new starting wage is at that time.  You should only be part-time for a few  more years…then you can get a full-time letter carrier walk.  BRAVO!  Oh, except you’ll be back to  relief (going to a different walk every other day).  No big deal, you should be hardened by now.  So another couple years of working on the dark streets, because those are just the facts when you’re a relief letter carrier.  You will be working in the dark trying to find addresses and avoid unseen dangers, like dogs and violent people.  No worries, you’re living the dream! Okay, so  let’s not forget the walks will also be approx 1.5 hours longer at that point.  Due to the new contract and “modern Post”  So, you can expect to work  9-12+ hours a day on every new walk you attempt.  No big deal, right?…you’ve worked 12 hours before….but have you WALKED 12 hours before?  Because you will be doing that!   By the way, letter Carriers don’t take breaks. So get used to being hungry and holding your bowels.  Well, if you’re still with us, then you’re one of the minority who survives this long…Congratulations!  You’ve made it!  It’s 10 year later, you’ve got more aches and pains than you have hairs on your head.  At this point there is one positive thing that will just occur to you…You have gained a great deal of respect for the job!  The sad thing is now you get to hear about how lazy you are and how much you’re overpaid from people who used to be just like you.  I bet that won’t bother you  a bit…because you know they speak from their ass!  So stop speaking from the rear and get your  AZZ over here.  All we ask is that you “walk the walk” (leterally) and then you can talk-the talk…from an EDUCATED standpoint, that is!  

          • Yes I know,5years a term,5years part time.The first 5
            being shipped around, long hours.I worked as a LC,RLC,MSC and
            a LCA.So not everyone here is speaking out his AZZ. 
            I was telling OrsonBean to apply.

          • Yes, I was just backing up what you were saying.  Many people have NO idea…but clearly you speak from knowledge and experience…which doesn’t seem to be a prerequisite for most on this topic.

      • If you die, you can have more than 7 weeks vacation.  Go for it!

    • Actually it sounds a lot like working as a nurse for the Alberta Government.  They increase your workload and when you falter, they blame you for spending too much time “visiting”.  I think every job is like this.  As for back breaking work, try lifting a human being without anyone to help you….that is why so many healthcare employees end up with injuries.  Yet the nurses in Alberta took a pay freeze because we accepted that the economy was in bad shape.   You need to think about the shoes other people walk in too.

      • There’s at least something resembling a competitive market for nursing. 

        • Not unless you are willing to leave a city or a province.  In Alberta, Alberta Health Services is the one employer in the whole province.  You could work at a medi-centre for much less money or you could try to get on with a private clinic but there isn’t much available.

      • I’d cheerfully take a pay freeze over a 22% pay cut. And I hear you about backbreaking… you don’t have it easy either.

    • Footweary, my guess is that the discipline you are talking about is directed to somebody who has a record for tardiness and time wasting.  I suspect its not a one shot deal.

      As for the equipment, years go I worked an old letter sorting machine at Canada Post with multi-tiers, and shorter people actually had to step up and down, frequently,to clear the bins.  After half an hour you felt like robot.  Not the greatest job, but you know what, way better than my previous job as an assembler, where I worked in a factory with no air conditioning, and paint bake ovens.  Twisted my arms like pretzels to put in brake lines under van bodies all day.  We sweated on the assembly line job, but I did not seen folks sweat in my time in Stoney Creek years ago.   

      Most Canada Post clerks, if they want to progress, can.  But, most don’t want to stretch themselves, their minds and commitment to the job, that is.  You guys also have some great transfer rights, so there are opportunities in smaller offices and lower cost of living cities open to you.  Most workers don’t have that freedom.

      You have it pretty good, all things considered.

      Believe me.    

    • footweary44 stop taking the public for fools about how hard anyone in the post office works.  If anyone new makes that mistake, the old union hands stop it cold and drag them down to the same low level of productivity as the rest of them so they can get more jobs for their members.  We can see at our local overstaffed post office 4 people hanging around to do the work of one or two.  They can barely bring themselves to STOP chatting with each other long enough to sullenly push the stamps at you that you want to purchase.  A student temp observed people on the night shift knitting, reading paperback novels and playing cards.  Unions reward mediocrity and laziness.  A recent study showed that all civil servants lose interest in doing their jobs well the longer they work for government i.e. belong to a union.  Your crybaby response justifying the unjustifiable is typical of the sense of entitlement for a job poorly done. 

      • Grow Up!! If you believe the observations at one postal unit then you are very immature. I can assure you the postal plant I worked in was one of the most productive in the country, and still is. The section I worked in, where we dealt with premium products, was in fact recognised by Canada Post as the top in the country!! You don,t get that from doing nothing. So stop judging everyone at Canada Post by one example.

    • Sorry, the world doesn’t owe you a living. You need to earn it. Since Canada Post is a regulated, government-owned monopoly, it is 100% the business of all taxpayers and users of Canada Post. Once the postal services are put out to competitive tender and Canada Post privatized, then I will happily butt out of the company’s labour relations.

      • Um no… that is flat out wrong. CP is a crown corporation. Makes its money off profits generated by the services it provides. No tax dollars there at all.

        • What about the billions tied up in owning it? It could be privatized and sold, freeing up billions of taxpayer’s money.

          • right… good point sell and privatize a company that makes profits through a recession when other companies haven’t. There’s a good business model.

          • Seems to me that Edmonton did something like that selling off Epcor for $200 million… and now energy rates have more than doubled, Epcor has more than paid for the cost of the sale and the average folks are the ones who get it in the wallet. You don’t think privatization will affect you? Try sending or receiving a parcel from anywhere and pay some serious shipping and handling costs with company not CP. Usually when somebody asks how they want something shipped, and the answer is “cheapest”, that is CP. Privatize it and see how that works.

    • Here’s a suggestion: if you don’t like working there, leave. If you stay, shut up and put up.

  6. Now I know why they’re on strike, I can sympathize–a little. I’m still saying that I’d love to work at CPC and I think, and historically, the strike will end in the employees’ favour.

    • I wouldn’t count on things ending in the employees’ favor.  It is not a good sign when public support is against you.  As a nurse, I can tell you the importance of enjoying the support of the public.  We are blessed for three reasons:  first, they believe we work hard; secondly, they don’t want to do our job – it isn’t easy, it isn’t glamorous and we work all holidays; third, when people are sick, they want to know they can go to the hospital and get looked after.  They don’t want the nurses on strike.  Teachers don’t enjoy the same support because people resent their vacation time. Then there is the postal employees….

      • So a Middle Class Nurse is more acceptable then a Middle Class Postal Worker,Fireman, Police Officer or how about a Roofer on a summer day of 40 degrees Celsius fixing your Roof? , a Grunt laying Tar to fix your driveway in the heat? A Chucker picking up your Garbage in the heat of a Summer Day working for Minimum Wage because that job was privatized out ? That is how you are portraying yourself!!!!! I wouldnt want your job, wouldnt want a Teachers job, Any Roofer,Construction or Garbage worker on a Hot Day …I tip my hat to them,still wouldnt  want their job, however i respect and believe that they should be compensated respectfully for the job they do, not just their Owners/Corporations.WE all keep forgetting the fact that the MIDDLE CLASS is being wiped out!!!! I wish most of those would stop acting like a horse with blinders on in a race!!!OPEN your eyes and see the real problem….Why shouldnt all Canadians “regardless” of their job description not be entitled to a better way of life for themselves and their families????

        • We were discussing public support for a strike and I said nurses get the public’s support.  My guess would be the fire fighters and police would also garner public support because no one wants them off the job and no one sees their job as particularly easy or attractive when they have to “get down and dirty”.  Now, the other jobs….the garbage worker..I know one..he finishes early and they play cards at the shop.  People get really ticked when they go on strike; the roofer…that doesn’t affect that many people; same with the construction worker.  Do you see where I am going with this?  There are so-called “essential services”…if my house is on fire, I want to know the fire fighters are coming.  I am not thrilled about running into a burning building so pay them whatever they want to keep them on the job.  Same with the police and the nurses and doctors.  Teachers?  Hmm, what do I care if I don’t have a kid in school and don’t those slackards work only 9 months of the year? 
          You asked me earlier why nurses in Alberta took a pay freeze.  We did it to keep all our members on the job…so none would be laid off.  I would stay and work to finish my job after my shift for no OT pay because my patients count on me to help them get well.  I can’t just leave when the job isn’t done because it can have catastrophic ramifications.  This isn’t about the death of the middle class in Canada.  This is a question of what people do at their jobs that entitle them to make a certain wage.  Why does a nurse make more than a waitress?  Why does a postal worker make more than a dishwasher?  Why does a doctor make more than a bus driver?

          • Jeezus! So a hard working garbage collector finishes early (you did say “finish,” right?) and is playing cards? So he should be punished for getting his route done quickly, leaving him with some extra time on his hands? What rot! Constructions workers are essential–trust me– if they aren’t there to build the structures you live and work in, you’ll miss them. Teachers, numbnut, are not slackers. They put in hours of teaching and the job is not done at the end of the day. They have to draw up lesson plans, correct essays and tests, and that extends far beyond quitting time.

            So you took a pay freeze. I hope you thought it was worth it. But where is working yourself to death going to get you, even if it’s for a good reason? Burnt out, headed for disability or early retirement?

            Why is the mud being slung around here not being slung at the corporate welfare leeches, the CEO’s getting royal handshakes (even if the company goes bankrupt!), members of parliament getting a FULL PENSION AFTER ONLY 4 YEARS OF SERVICE!!!, hockey players getting 4 million dollar contracts for playing a g–damn SPORT!!!! huh?

            This is about the death of the middle class. Everyone deserves to make a living wage. So squeeze the top for what the bottom isn’t getting.
            They have more to give, and it’s long past time they gave it.

          • This is a silly comment, in many ways.
            First, you didn’t read @healthcareinsider:disqus ‘s comment very closely, and this is evident, as you took much of what he/she said out of context.
            Second, the mud is being slung because the majority of people don’t respect what your union is doing – it is that simple.
            I am quite sure that a MOP needs to get in 5 years to get the pension. I would submit that most Canadians are against that. It has no bearing on the CP situation at all. It does, however, show that people only look out for their own interests, even to the detriment of their employer. That kind of mirrors what the CUPW is doing.
            If you don’t like what hockey players make, don’t watch, and don’t go to the game. Once the fans are gone, so are their wages. What do you think the odds of that happening are?
            Please define a ‘corporate welfare leech’ – I am not familiar with that term. Also, please stop saying things like “the corporation makes a profit so we should get a raise”, or “the management gets their bonus so we should get a raise” – these things are not as closely related as you seem to think, and there are way more variables in the picture that what you can see.

  7. Yes, use the CUPW/CPC dispute to wake up the abuse of government employees salaries/benefits, including the politicians, which is draining taxpayers, not just in Canada but in many countries around the world. Yes, yes, Canada Post is not using taxpayers money, keep it that way.

    Unions were once a necesary thing for abused workers, perhaps still necessary in developing countries. However, unions are now abusing the employers and feeling entitled. A re-balance must be restalled.

    Stop this insane, unrealistic, out-dated entitlement. If you want more pay, get a job that pays more, you may have to update your education and skills, but who doesn’t in the real world? The amount of $ you make is directly proportional to the value and business you bring to a company. As customers only care about what problems you can solve for them and what value a business bring to them.

    Come to reality or keep going in your nightmares. If you don’t wake up, someone in the real world will wake you up from your dreams - in shock, surprise and likely disappointment.

    • Well said.

    • I will have to disagree with you on the usefulness of unions.  There is still abuse of staff going on in big organizations.  Managers play favorites and pick on people.  They also try to manipulate staff.   These managers are not answerable to anyone or necessarily great performers themselves given that they work in govt.  In the private sector, they would likely be turfed.  Sometimes they pick on staff they perceive as threatening to themselves because of the staff’s level of competence or intelligence.  In an area such as nursing where the govt is almost the only game in town, a union’s protection is necessary.

  8. Very interesting one-sided article …..Are you aware that Canada Post has made a profit every year for the last 16 years? When the economy was flat on its face CP posted a profit of $291 million. They have spent $2 billion in modernizing the Post Office,are you aware they are following US Postal Standards? A company that has lost $20 Billion in 4 years.Not the best business decision imo.Yes, our current agreement does entitle us to 15 days (and will agree that could be reduced) but as for the $3000 pay-out, that is what is currently being offered to the members in this round or negotiations.if you have over 300 days. Have 150 days left $500….My sick time is their that i have worked hard for to ensure that if something does and probably will happen that im covered. Currently if you have the 402 days that “Narida” has you would not be entitled to anything,no buyout no cash value,the sick time is just gone.Good Holidays, yes we get 7 weeks but….AFTER 28 YEARS of service….yes its generous  but we all start with 3 weeks….so how about stating ALL the FACTS on the current strike and demands before you so ignorantly and blatantly leave out all the issues that CUPW has concerns about……

    • Earth to zoolou:  corporations are supposed to be profitable.  If they’re not profitable, then there’s something wrong.  The fact that you don’t seem to grasp this fundamental fact speaks volumes about the mentality that currently infects your dinosaur union.

      • I wouldnt expect any less from a corporation than too make a profit, however Canada Post is expected to be a Public Service that is to break even. Again i see the ignorance of those who refuse to investigate further on the issues and only read whats put in front of their faces.Its quite evident that you fall into that category.

        • Keep supping from the trough.  Sooner or later, the party will be over.  I guess your hope is that you’ll be retired by then, having avoided most of the unpleasantries (e.g., actually having to scrimp and save for retirement, getting maxiumum 2-4 weeks’ vacation) that the rest of us in the private sector have to deal with.

          The really pathetic thing is that you’re either too obtuse to realize how privileged you are, or are too dishonest to admit it.  And on top of that, you seem inclined to play some sort of bogus “victim” card.  Unbelivable.

          • Again as ignorant as you are, I’m privileged and proud to work for Canada Post,you have NEVER walked a mile in my shoes working with Canada Post and outside of Canada Post. Again your ignorance  is proudly displayed!!! Victim Card…..LMAO……You want to know what a “victim card” is…….A co-worker being DENIED benefits BY THE  CORPORATION while she has Terminal Cancer….during this strike and i have to read your dribble while you sip your Martini and criticize the “fall of the Middle Class in Canada”…Again Ignorance is Bliss………keep going your not failing me 

          • On behalf of the millions of Canadians who have NO PENSION WHATSOEVER, I hereby play the world’s smallest violin for you.

          • Please provide all the details, or a link to the article covering that, as I cannot see CP denying benefits to a worker with terminal cancer, without a darn good reason.

            Please, help us out of our ignorance.

          • @modster99:twitter 
            Here’s the info from Canada Post’s website where they state clearly that all benefits, including sick leave were cancelled as soon as the Union gave 72hrs notice.  In other words the strike hadn’t even begun yet and benefits were cancelled.  

            That’s how toxic the relationship is at Canada Post definitely not one of the country’s top 100 workplaces.
            http://www.infopost.ca/en/files/2011/05/TsandCs_E.pdf

          • zoolou64, I had a co-worker whose benefits were suspended while she had terminal cancer and was on long-term disability.   We worked for the healthcare system.  She was a nurse for goodness sake.  This things happen because OH&S depts are constantly trying to get people off the benefits.  I think the problem that some people have with this strike is that a nurse or teacher starting out in this country, with 4 years of university makes the same wage as a beginning postal employee.  A daycare worker with 2 years of college, makes at least $10 an hour less than a postal employee.  These people, you must admit, are a little more skilled and have jobs that require that shoulder quite a bit more responsibility than the typical postal worker.  We are trying to understand why you feel that the raise offered to you is not acceptable and why the other concessions are untenable but given the fact that some nursing unions have accepted pay freezes…your suggestion that we can’t  know because we don’t work there  just does not wash.

          • You shouldn’t keep using “walk a mile in my shoes” in an industry where people are paid to measure the actual number of steps a mailman takes on his route up and down sidewalks and around bushes, then hire more mailmen to keep the average number of steps so pitifully low that many workers can finish their route in half a day though they are paid for a full day.  (Actually taking their overinflated pay and benefits into account, they’re paid for one and a half days). 

          • This Orsonbean character is priceless. What an ignoramous.Talk about playing right into the hands of the elite class! That’s exactly how they want you to feel!
            The current political climate is chipping away at what is left of a great social democratic country and your’re too blinkered by resentment to see it

          • Yes, that’s me — an ignorant tool of the Evil Capitalist Oppressors.

          • Healthcareinsider…….. I’m not disputing and never would argue the fact that anyone in ANY industry that the worker has earned and educated himself for years in his field should be paid well. In your case in the medical field imo you should be paid handsomely in your field.You’re point about the terminal worker in both our cases..Yes its the job of the OH&S too try and get those workers(re-rehabilitated) back to work but in this case its a Terminal Employee who the last thing they need is the harassment of a 3rd party questioning when they could return too work.The last offer that was put forth to CUPW did have many things i could easily have accepted.The members do not see the entire proposal presented to us(just highlights) so the negotiating team has that mandate to work to achieve the best offer to bring back to the membership for a vote, whether we agree or disagree with what is happening.We’re all just pawns at this game. I still think most people are missing the fact that the Middle Class in our society is being eliminated, and too many people find that acceptable in a time where the Rich get Rich and the Poor keep getting Poorer. Why should you in your field accept a wage freeze and benefit freeze while CEO’s in any field continue to rake in their huge Bonuses and buy-out packages at the expense of the worker??? Here’s an article worth reading http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/1004315–mallick-canada-post-workers-future-is-ours-too

        • Who says that public corporations are supposed to ‘break even’. I hope that is not the case, as it will demand that they waste money, to ensure that they ‘break even’.

          • http://www.cupw.ca/index.cfm/ci_id/12925/la_id/1

            I wouldnt lie about all our benefits being stopped …once the 72 hour notice went into effect they stopped all benefits for everyone, its amazing that if the press would print this its believed but posted by a CUPW worker and its fabricated…unreal

          • Yes the benefits (not honoring sick leave) have stopped from CPC, but I agree that they should, and the Union should pick up the tab, but unfortunately that’s not the case because it appears as though the union doesn’t have the money after collecting about $65 a month from EVERY member (50,000 or so).

            Sad, very Sad

          • Thanks for the link.

            Sorry, but you made it sound like one of the reasons that you are striking was to protect this worker who had cancer, yet CP wouldn’t honor her benefits. Now I see it is that she is on strike, and because of that, she lost her benefits. Sorry, but do you really think that people should have benefits while on strike? Should they earn sick days while they strike as well. C’mon.

            Thanks for the link, though. First person to provide it. It doesn’t say that anything in the article is wrong, though.

            And for the record, I would believe it if the press posted it. As a matter of fact, it isn’t newsworthy. Strikers keeping benefits while on strike would surprise me.

        • Not quite sure where you get your info . Show me where it is mandated to “break even”. So are the workers going to absorb any losses incurred by the corporation…. wait I already know that answer! Everyone wants every cent of profit, no matter what the margin, but is unwilling to take the risk of a loss!

    • You don’t seem to make a case for the CP workers here. What is their beef? That CP made money? Is this where they are at? The CP made money, and shouldn’t, so that money is yours? Or are you striking so that CP can reduce their prices. That is something the rest of Canada might support. On the flip side, though, if CP made money, then it went into the GOC’s general revenue. This would mean that it was money that could be spent on all taxpayer, not just CP workers. Take a guess where most people will put their vote. :)

      “My sick time is their that i have worked hard for to ensure that if something does and probably will happen that im covered” – No, it’s an entitlement. You sitting at home, recovering, while not getting paid would be cheaper for the company.

      “Good Holidays, yes we get 7 weeks but….AFTER 28 YEARS of service….yes its generous  but we all start with 3 weeks . . .” – This statement is almost offensive. Most corporations start at 2 week, and max out at 5. Starting at 3 and maxing out at 7 really doesn’t score you any points, NO MATTER HOW LOUD YOU YELL.

      Please, give us some facts that will shift our opinion that you are over paid, get too many benefits, and are apparently ungrateful.

      • Mr.Modster…..the money is not ours….shouldnt ALL canadian citizens receive door to door service?Why should one side have a Supermailbox but the other get Door-to-Door? The 16 years that Canada Post has made a profit Dividends were made to the GOC and subsequently and (i hope) went to the taxpaying public.(you would have to ask Mr. Harper that) AGAIN i will state I am Priviliged and Proud to be working for Canada Post. However the General Public and Press like to hammer us to death as incompetents.Is there slackers and D-F’ers in the workforce..sure…Isnt there those in every work place????? Im not trying to “make points” by what we get for our holidays….but the assumption by the Canadian Public MADE by the press was we have 7 weeks from the start.Which we dont……Our predecessors fought hard for the benefits and wages that we have now,  in my community a GM Blue Collar Town has seen the demise of the Middle Class…..I dont see this much Public outcry for what the Senate Board makes or what an MP Pension is or any CEO’s Bonus or Buy-Out but god Forbid a Postie asks for over 2%

        • No on I have read called you slackers of incompetents. This all about facts, not feelings.

          • But unfortunately most of the workers Do care about this job and dont like to be “stereo-typed” with the Public Image of us. Sorry to have feelings……..

          • Feel free to have feelings, but when you are posting a comment, stick to facts. Best way to win a debate.

        • Myself I would gladly take access to a super box and have pushed hard to have one added. Why? Since between vandals, snow removal and an impatient “posty” my box has a life span of eight months. Yes it comes out our wallet to offer up yet another shelter for junk mail. The bills are online, the flyers are online and email has replaced letters.
          The postal system is left to serve small businesses to do correspondence with customers and our staff is reviewing the usefulness of continueing to do so in this manner.
          The Postal strike has one use, it will bring a major change in the perceived need of the postal system as it is currently known.

      • Dunno, I was working for a family business and the vacations maxed out at 3 weeks, anything else was lieu hours. The beef is not that CP made money, but it feels like they are saying they are losing money, when the opposite is true. All posties want is not more money, not more anything, just for things to stay even… and have a safe, healthy work environment. The job is very physical, in the winter folks get hurt, tired and sore, and then things like call back and force back happen. Add multiple bundles into the mix and you have a recipe for disaster.

        • I haven’t read anything that says that CP doesn’t make money.
          I just read a ‘postie’ website. Money, sick days, and and benefits are a big concern. Please don’t pretend that they aren’t.
          The bottom line is, if you don’t like the job – don’t do it.

          • Right the bottom line. CP claims that mail is a dying business, volumes are down etc… but they are doing financially fine.

            You are absolutely right, money,benefits are a big concern… not sure about the sick day thing, that is new to my understanding. As far as benefits, I think it revolves around changes in short term disability. The Corporation wants to change things that could evolve into a system where workers work hurt or not bring in an income. Nobody, least of all me, is pretending anything.

            And who says I don’t like the job? It has its moments, there is a fair chunk of stress, but what I am hoping for is to reach a point where I get a route and the randomness is taken away.

            Beyond that, as I have said before, this is about a company that is doing well telling me they want to make cuts. What’s wrong with the Union saying “well, let’s talk about this”? That is what negotiations are about, coming together to reach an agreement that works for everybody. Last I checked, workers have rights, so why make 48000 people, who are concerned about their jobs, future and families well being, the bad guys? We are normal folks that pay taxes have kids that go to school and just want to keep doing what we’re doing.

            We’re not a burden on the tax system, not federally funded. Say you have a labour issue with your boss. Would you appreciate it if I said, shut up, take a pay cut, and do your job… which by the way is easy and overpaid?

          • Thank you for the intelligent response.

            As far as I can see it, this is mostly about the pension. It is massively underfunded – to a point that neither the company nor the employees can afford to ignore it. To say that the company is profitable, therefore we need to keep our standard of benefits and get our raises, is short sighted. The pension might be unsustainable, and reducing the benefits and salaries might be the only way to save it. From what I have read, most of the supporters claim that because the company is profitable, the sky is the limit. It might be very short sighted.

            Far as I can tell, all employees in Canada can go on WCB, so they don’t have to work injured.

            Nothing wrong with a union talking about what the company wants to do, in terms or employee remuneration. That is about their only purpose. I wouldn’t say the 48000 workers are the bad guys, but I would submit they aren’t being given all the facts. In the end, the company can only do what it can afford. Heck, if the strike cost’s money, that has to come from somewhere.

            If I have an issue with my boss, or my pay (by the way, that is me, but for your argument, let’s pretend that I am an employee) I would negotiate the best deal I could, and if I didn’t like it, I would leave and look for a better deal. That is the problem with a union, as it skews this simple process to such an extent, that (as we can see now with CP) almost everyone loses.

            I am not ‘pro CP’, I am a realist. The union at CP, because it negotiated with a crown corporation, was able to extract a really sweet deal. Good for them I guess, but now it is coming to bite them in the but. The pension deficit will have to be funded my something, and I predict it will come from wages and benefits. If i were a CUPW member, I would say ‘hey, we had it good, but now it is back to reality.’

      • well, so you read one side of an issue affecting 48000 people and you take it as gospel? And then voice your own opinion, uniformed about things… hmmmm… seems like back in the day when folks were told about a superior race etc and took that as gospel without bothering to look into the facts and seeing both sides. There are two sides to everything. Maybe the union is not entirely in the right, but then neither is the corporation. What has to happen is give and take and hopefully things can meet in the middle. Personally, I just want to keep my job, and not get downsized, and not have to deal with carrying multiple bundles. The problem I have with a two tier pay system is that it opens the door for getting downsized and hiring cheaper labor. I can’t fault the corporation for wanting to do that, but you can’t fault me for wanting to fight for my job.

        • I just read the union website. Nothing there says that this article is wrong. As a matter of fact, it makes lots of mention about money, benefits, and sick time. Please don’t pretend this isn’t about money.

          If they do a two tier system, can’t re reapply for the job and get the lower pay?

          No one faults you for trying to keep your job, just don’t expect them to support you. The only people who would are probably overpaid as well.

          • That’s the point. The Corporation is basically saying take a 22% wage cut.

            Also in regards to benefits, one of the inherent flaws in promising benefits 5 years on a 4 year contract is a nice way of saying “you’ll never get this”.

            Interesting… are you saying that letter carriers are overpaid? Try doing the job for one day… if you make it through the hiring process. I feel that it is a challenging job and it is fairly compensated. IMHO, this was not about striking for raises, this was about maintaining the pay we have and the benefits we have. So yes it is about money, but once again, faulting me for not wanting to take a 22% pay cut? Really? Would you do the same? Just sit there and take it. You wouldn’t be upset at all?

            No support for me wanting to keep my job? Really? Good to know there are folks like you out there… Golden Rule. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. You don’t want to support 48000 workers fighting for their right to work, okay. That is your choice and your opinion and your right. But that good spirit will come back to you in the end.

          • If I was an employee, and someone told me to take a 22% pay cut, I would weigh my options. If I thought I could get better elsewhere, I would quit. If I thought I was doing as good, or better, than I could elsewhere, I would stay.

            Not saying I would like it, but that is life. All of the 48000 workers have the right to stay and work, or quit and leave.

      • Oh, there’s one catch…you have to get past the first 7-10 years or so…no big deal being an on call casual for about the first 3 years…sure it’s tough living on an unkown amount of money every month…but at least you have a job, right?  Then when you’re done your 3 years of temp…you can go part-time.  That should put you at or above the poverty line…depending on how low that new starting wage is at that time.  You should only be part-time for a few  more years…then you can get a full-time letter carrier walk.  BRAVO!  Oh, except you’ll be back to  relief (going to a different walk every other day).  No big deal, you should be hardened by now.  So another couple years of working on the dark streets, because those are just the facts when you’re a relief letter carrier.  You will be working in the dark trying to find addresses and avoid unseen dangers, like dogs and violent people.  No worries, you’re living the dream! Okay, so  let’s not forget the walks will also be approx 1.5 hours longer at that point.  Due to the new contract and “modern Post”  So, you can expect to work  9-12+ hours a day on every new walk you attempt.  No big deal, right?…you’ve worked 12 hours before….but have you WALKED 12 hours before?  Because you will be doing that!   By the way, letter Carriers don’t take breaks. So get used to being hungry and holding your bowels.  Well, if you’re still with us, then you’re one of the minority who survives this long…Congratulations!  You’ve made it!  It’s 10 year later, you’ve got more aches and pains than you have hairs on your head.  At this point there is one positive thing that will just occur to you…You have gained a great deal of respect for the job!  The sad thing is now you get to hear about how lazy you are and how much you’re overpaid from people who used to be just like you.  I bet that won’t bother you  a bit…because you know they speak from their ass!  So stop speaking from the rear and get your  AZZ over here.  All we ask is that you “walk the walk” (leterally) and then you can talk-the talk…from an EDUCATED standpoint, that is!  

        • Hate to tell you this, but I have worked much harder jobs.
          Has it ever occurred to you that the reason that you have to work for so many years until full time is that very few of the regulars quit? Why is that, if the job is so hard? Could it be the pay and benefits.
          Sorry, but I have never used the word ‘lazy’, but you folks all seem to think it. All I have ever said is that for the work, you are overpaid.

          • Worked harder jobs? I’d be interested to know what these jobs are. And, yes, the pay and benefits- right now, are fair compensation for a hard job. Take that away and watch CP have to get really creative to get people to work at a job that is not fairly compensated. And note I say fair, and not overpaid. You are entitled to your opinion, but try doing the job for a day and then judge. At least then you would have educated insight for voicing your opinion. Otherwise you are basing what you say on one sided articles.

          • I worker as a delivery driver for a major soft drink company, and on the rigs. Both, I would say, are much harder.

      • Give you facts that will shift your opinion!! Ha that is funny. Im sorry, I would never say that anyone deserves or doesnt deserve what they are being paid. We all had the same opportunities to do what ever it is in life that we wanted to do. If you work for minimum wage that is your fault not mine, If you dont have a pension well start saving. I dont work for Canada Post but I don work for a company that has very comparable benefits.  I worked hard to get here so if you were too busy partying your ass off while some of us were at college getting by with student loans, reeping the Benefits now :) Dont be jelouse, do something about it. I look out my office window and see my letter carrier out there in some pretty shitty days, full bags of mail and Im glad to be warm inside. Dont judge!! If you think it is unfair in what they are asking to keep maybe you should put as much effort into your own life and get better for youself. Stop worrying about others and start worrying about you.

        • so many replies, can’t keep up, but yours made me laugh.
          First of all, you ‘guesses’ about my life are totally off.
          You went to college, took student loans, and you like the fact that people with no post secondary education get paid better than most with? I doubt it.
          You state that everyone in life can make decisions, and allude that we should live with them. I agree. If someone never went to post secondary, and have almost no marketable skills, they should live with the consequences. That is the dilemma. Someone at CP has to live with the consequences of choosing to work there. If they end up getting paid less, they can leave. You can leave your employer if you want to.
          I am not jealous – I have increased my earning on average about 30% a year for the last 6.
          If CP want to give them X amount – fine. If the employee doesn’t like it, they can leave. Simple as that. If they are hard workers, and if CP is such a hard employer, they will be snatched up by other employers very quickly.

    • Certainly postal workers are well off when compared to the increasingly prevalent private sector “McJob” in which the employee works (not by choice) 25-30 hours weekly at minimum wage or barely above (thus allowing the employer to avoid benefits accumulated only by full time hourly rate workers). Postal workers’ (and other public sector workers’) wages and benefits appear much more reasonable (indeed, often still inadequate) when compared to the huge and unsustainable amounts in “pay” and benefits taken by executives in large corporations. In recent years these have often used taxpayers’ money to “reward” executives for abominably incompetent performance, dishonesty, and at times even outright illegal behaviour. Certainly this article is one-sided: Zoolou64 writes very rightly, but barely scratches the surface in the economic injustice which CUPW, for all its limitations and (of course) its restricted mandate, is calling to our attention.

      • You are kidding me. Executives make a lot of money, so therefore CUPW workers should. With that logic, you should get millions per year.

        • i’ve always thought the ratio between the highest and lowest remuneration deserved attention (as well as related comparisons: highest to mean, to mode, etc.); and not just within an individual business or company, but in a variety of contexts: conglomerates, industries and business sectors, public service, nations, etc. 
          As you may have guessed, given my other remarks, this is also a widening gap; I have a problem with that. I also think it indicates grossly overpaid jobs which have a substantially greater negative impact for the rest of us than any example of labour, organized or not, you care to mention. Moreover, despite your rose-coloured trickle-sideways wishes, it is that group which will benefit by your misguided efforts to level the playing field by targeting CUPW (or any other job offering a better-than-average wage – that seems to be your criterion), for comeuppance. And let’s be honest: it isn’t comeuppance you want – CUPW doesn’t deserve to be punished because they are better insulated against the hi-jacking of the global economy by the banks – you want Get Down-ance. 
          Your pretense at attacking overpaid jobs is hollow posturing for the mob; I really don’t get why you continue to deny the real causes of economic disparity – unless, of course, you are shilling for the bossman. Your eyes are brown, you are a Toady.

          • Equal pay for equal work used to be a rallying cry, now it is a bad thing?
            If people who have money are making more money, that is not a bad thing. If I invest 10,000,000 into a company, I expect to get a return. I take risk, I could lose it all. For a group of employees to say, he made 1.5 million last year, we deserve more is grossly unfair. They took no risk, and worked for the accepted amount. They can quit at any time. The same would be true if I invested 1,000,000,000 and made 150,000,000. I would be seen as evil by you, but why.

            That the ‘rich are getting richer’ is a self fulfilling event. The more they make, the more they can invest. The more they invest, the more they make. And then they pass it to their kids. To say that you deserve a bigger slice of the pie, without taking any risk, is unfair. Don’t like it, start a business. (or buy shares)

            Again, anyone at CP who thinks that they can get a better deal anywhere else is fee to leave at any time. There is a reason they don’t.

          • equal pay for equal work was never a call for lower wages – what kind of a rally did you have in mind (so far you are still leading a lynch mob).
            you talk about an executive making money, the company being profitable, and the employees working for the “accepted amount” – i e what Union and Management negotiated in the collective agreement. Yet in all your other remarks, you describe that as being overpaid, which you justify by referring to other workers doing similar jobs for less. One of your favourite tricks is the old “by this logic” sophistry… let’s see how that could be applied here: once you’ve cut the Posties down to whatever you think is fair, I bet we can still find lots of people who would be eager to do those jobs for even less (they’ve been invoked repeatedly in these comments). So down go the wages again. And again. And what is there to stop this magical cost reducing process? Minimum wage? yes, let’s pay everybody that, and then watch them eat cat food, abandon their cars (or live in them), no more air travel, or video games, or nice furniture. But, of course, some people might refuse to work for so little… eventually, they will probably form some sort of organization… perhaps a union? i won’t belabor this as i know you want it short.
            Now, lets get back to that executive. Elsewhere you decried seven weeks vacation as “outrageous” (even if one had to work at least 28 years to get it!). Is there any point at which executive compensation – or the ratio of it to that of an employee – could qualify as outrageous? Why is capital sacred but unionized workers are overpaid? 

            The volume of your commentary demonstrates you have ample time to research the meaning of Toady, Toady. I’m no longer interested in seeing my words misconstrued, so I will not respond further.

          • Glad to hear it. As far as misconstruing your words, I haven’t and don’t have to, what you write is silly enough.

            To easily put aside your concerns of posties working for minimum wage: As the wages go down, the quality of the worker follows. Then the service would go down. If CP wants to keep it’s service level up, they will pay the required rate to keep competent people employed there. It is as simple as that. Are you trying to say that all employees that don’t have a union are working for minimum wage. That is just silly. Supply and demand will come up with the appropriate wage.

            As far as the executives/owners. I have said before that the ratio to what employees make is irrelevant. How, and what, the two groups are paid have no correlation to each other.

            I have said that ‘overpaid’ means that they are paid more than all the others doing similar work. I also agree that the union and management can agree to whatever they want. You just seem to not understand that sometime, that might mean that the workers get less than in the previous contract. You seem to think that the agreements can only be renegotiated in the employees favor. Supply and demand also works, although it is skewed, when a union is in the picture.

            Sorry, and I guess in your position I would want more as well, but you have to understand why the rest of Canada isn’t jumping up to support you. Maybe in 15 years you guys will be back to having a gold standard agreement (and I say this knowing after this strike, you will still have it pretty good), or the union will be gone altogether. Who knows. The bottom line is, if you don’t like where you work, you are always fee to quit.

            And I did all that without calling you a name. :)

    • Actually, I have no issue for people being rewarded for “perfect attendance”.  I worked for a phone company.  We had an employee who did not call in sick in 25 years of employment, they gave her a trip to Hawaii.  They also gave gifts to people who did not call in sick in 15 years.  I think it is a great incentive but it should be for a great feat, like 10 + years without a sick day.

  9. Great article and I agree with most of it. The union is drawing a hard line in the sand and then poking their head in it. They need to change their practices with the times. I am a new postie (1.5 years) and I have some added comments. Being a letter carrier is a great job with good pay and benefits. However, since I am new I am a “Temporary” amployee that fills in when one of the route owners takes a sick day or a holiday. I HAVE NO BENEFITS from CPC. I will not have benefits or start acumulating time into a pension until I become a permamnet employee. This is going to take about 5 years at the current rate! After 5 years of no benefits, no retirement savings, no paid vacation, I’ll be looking forward to the “perks” that the article refers to as “overcompensated”. It’s the difference between a job and a career. Ask an electrition why they are worth the $50/hr, and somewhere in there they will tell you that you had to be an apprentice for 5 years, before you’re licenced. Also when I become a permanent employee in 5 years it’ll take another 5 years to get a “good route” that isn’t in a rough neighborhood.

    So to put it simply, if you put in the time with the company, it’s time to reap (not abuse) the benefits, which are at a fair level.

    • what you are forgetting is that by putting in clauses that say “you’ll get this in 5 years” when the contract is only for 4 years is like saying “you’ll get this never” because in the next negotiations, things will change then too, putting things like the same wages and benefits out of reach.

    • When there is a “downturn” in nursing, you graduate after 4 years and if you are lucky you get a “casual” position with no benefits.  I worked that way for over 2 years.  When I wanted to get off the night shift, I went back to casual so I could go to a unit where I wanted to work.  When you are casual, you accumulate seniority but it doesn’t count when you apply for positions so if a person in a position applies for a job, they automatically get it.  As a casual employee, you are never sure if you are going to get any shifts.  Nurses live with this all of the time.  One positive about casual is that you make more money because you don’t pay for any benefits and you get your holiday pay on every cheque.  You just have to keep money in your savings account to cover lulls in the work. 

  10. There is barely one grain of truth in this entire article. You obviously have never interviewed or talked to an employee of Canada Post. Your article is nothing but a betrail of falsehoods. Do some research before your write your biased dribble.

    • Please, tell us what is untrue, and give us the ‘real’ information.

      If not, don’t comment.

      • see newpostie above comment for a couple of corrections to the article’s info.

        In a nutshell, you are not getting any benefits from CPC until you become “permanent” status which currently will take around 5 years. The article makes it sound like we ALL get fantastic benefits, and 7 weeks of paid vacation. I have neither of these things but I’m willing to scrimp it out until I can receive these benefits which are fair at the current level. The strike isn’t needed.

        • They are opening the door to reducing all those benefits you’ll be waiting 5 years to see.  In 5 years you might be waiting another 5 years…etc.  You can’t let them put their foot in the door, because they’re worse than 1000 Jehovah’s Witness when they get in.  You applied for this job, why?  Because you liked the wages and benefits, correct?  Well those weren’t just handed to the workers…you do know that, right?   You are seeing, right now, first hand, how Canada Post would treat it’s workers without a contract.  They give you nothing…the reason you even would apply for this job is because CUPW has made it attractive.  Don’t kid yourself about Canada Post’s intentions.  They are not a top 100 employer…without a union, they be scraping the bottom…guaranteed!

  11. “Outside of bureaucrats in France, it is hard to imagine a more coddled, out-of-touch and overcompensated group than postal workers.”

    Really? I thought that distinction would go to hack journalists like you lot that make sweeping statements but can’t be bothered to oh, I dunno, investigate something, and then report on it.

    Now shut up, have another martini, and don’t forget to grab the receipt for your expense claim.

  12. The employees of Canada Post worked hard to be paid for the hardships we put up with everyday of the week. While it be delivering in bad weather or dealing with ungratefull customers. We work hard to try to keep the mail deliveried even when the mail is addressed wrong or trying to forward it to customers who have moved along time ago. Canada Post shows a very sizeable profit every year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and who do you think makes that happen! The employees!! A company is only as good as the employees! And we deserve to be paid well and to have proper benefits! The next question is Canada Post is not owned by an individual but the government and guess who gets the profits!  To the tune of over 200 million a year! So if you think that we don t deserve what we have then you should try delivering mail at 20 below o with me some time!!!!

    • All people who work outside have to ‘brave the elements’. Why is your doing it so special?
      All people who deal with customers have to deal with bad ones. Should a McDonald’s employee be paid the same as you?

      “And we deserve to be paid well and to have proper benefits!” Absolutely. Let us know when you are willing to take the pay cut, and give up some benefits. Get into the same ballpark aas the rest of the great employees in Canada.

      “The next question is Canada Post is not owned by an individual but the government and guess who gets the profits!” This is a great point. It also means that if you were paid the same as everyone else, the taxpayers would see an even bigger profit.

      A guy commented above about having to work for CP for 5 years until he becomes full time. Guess what. He wouldn’t do it if he didn’t know that it was way better than the private sector.

      • Hhahah either you don’t live anywhere where it snows or you never go outside, probably both.  Last time I checked here in Calgary while I was delivering mail everyone started shutting down businesses and picking their kids up from school to race home form the 2 – 3 feet of snow and 60km winds in place.  Who did I see outside?  Only me and all the stuck abandoned cars.  When you want me to fore go some of my wage to the taxpayer, get your butt out the door and shovel for me.  Oh wait you don’t go outside because you think everyone braves snow storms.

        • I live in Alberta, and we all know that Calgary (except for last year) has the best winters. So really, I am laughing at your above statement.

          The last physical job I had (much more physical that what a CP worker does) went through every bit of weather. I didn’t have near the pay or benefits a ‘postie’ did. Guess what, I voted with my feet and left. You can too.

          • Funny, as everyone of my customers say the winters over the last 30 years have gotten worse.  I guess that pitches your observation right out the window. 

            Much more physical than a letter carrier yet you fail to mention the job lol nows who’s laughing hahaha.

          • All of your customers say that the winters have gotten worse over the last 30 years. Everyone of them. Amazing, as some people don’t remember that long, and some are too young.

            Facts would prove my observation wrong, not your telling us what everyone of your customers say. Has it occurred to you that the older ones might ‘feel’ the winters are getting worse, as they are getting older?

            Why would you laugh that I worked a job that was much harder than a letter carriers? Do you think that there isn’t a job that is harder? That is a laugh.

            I used to work for one of the major pop companies (Coke/Pepsi), as a delivery driver. Basically, we would leave with a truck full of pop, and come back with a truck of pallets and empty pop cases. They didn’t shut down for weather once. While that was hard, I also worked on the rigs, which was harder. So please, spare me the winter weather stories.
             
            And yes, Calgary, as far as the rest of Alberta goes, has much warmer winters.

      • Jealous much? Maybe you should unionize buddy. Or you must enjoy you minimum wage dead end job

        • There are tons and tons of jobs in Canada which are not minimum wage McJobs, yet have no pensions and either modest vacation benefits or essentially none at all. For example, most law firm partners and associates in Canada have no pension plan.  The overwhelming majority of lawyers in Canada have no pension, but for CPP.  Same thing for accountants.  And of course the very considerable number of self-employed Canadians are in the same boat.  The problem with the prevailing pro-union mentality in the country is that it has a conception of our labour market that’s out of a Zola novel set in the 19th century.  It’s completely out of touch with the makeup of our labor market.

          • Again – well said.

            You should blush. :)

        • Yes Kejidog, we really are feeling the sympathy for you postal workers.

        • Not jealous, but not supportive of the unions’ demands. And sorry, I am self employed.

          • I’m not a postie. Nor am i unionised. But I do know a few. It isn’t the NDP love fest you all think it is. I support unions because as a person who reads history, I understand that labour is trapped by the market. Here in Nova Scotia most employers know their market for labour is essentially trapped here. That is why salaries are low here. The point I’m making is that unions have negoiated benefits at the expense of other gains, over several contracts.
            My father was a firefighter in Halifax, they wanted sick time, negioated and gave up several years of raises to get it. He retired after 35 years with a full sick bank. He never used his time or was paid out for it. This so called perk was his to use at the expense of money in salary. The benefit was worth money to the members but never to the city. These bargained contract issues are members rights, every gain is at the expense of another. Union people understand this I can’t figure out why most Canadians can’t. We are talking about people with families to support. Would you like to be facing a long Term illness and worrying about paying a mortgage? I don’t believe anyone would want ro be in a position like this. CUPE understands this for their members, they won consessions from their employer to get this right. Now their employer wants to take it away . Is it right? I dont think it is. I dont think any company CP included, wants to pay better wages, give pensions or health benefits out of some sense of corporate benevolence! It is up to unions to get their members every thing they can. We should support them as well. – a rising tide floats all boats!

          • Kejidog, the salaries are low in Halifax because there aren’t enough jobs to go around.  In Grande Prairie, AB when the boom was on, Tim Horton’s was paying $15.00/hr for counter help and some of the people working there looked about 12 years old, while others looked 75 years old.  It is about supply and demand.  I do not have a problem with the sick bank.  In nursing in Alberta, it maxes out at 6 months, accumulating at 1.5 days per month.  If you get cancer, you receive full pay for 6 months before you go on long-term disability and get 66.6%.  There is no payout of the sick bank.  It is only insurance.   However, as I said earlier, people aren’t coveting the jobs of nurses.  Nurses work with all kinds of disgusting body fluids; get verbally & physically abused on the job; get injured; have a grave amount of responsiblity; are constantly affected by downturns in the economy and have to make it through 4 years of university. Yes, it is the job of the union to ask for the stars and the moon and it is the job of management to bring them down to earth.

        • I love how people think any job where you’re not working in a suffocating union shop is a ‘dead-end job’. 

    • Bobthecarrier, my dad is 84 years old and a rancher.  He braved the weather 365 days a year to feed his cattle and horses and never took vacations.  Then there are all those guys working in ambulances and fire-trucks….
      I also want to say to you that I would deliver your mail if you cleaned some diapers up at the nursing home for $13 an hour!

    • Bobthecarrier, I just got a letter returned to me because 1 digit of the postal code was incorrect.  The postal code was circled in pen and it said “no such address”.  This is Canada’s postal employees dellivering the mail even when the address is wrong….jeepers!

      • was the postal code wrong? Remember most Letter mail is run through machine and reads the Postal Code…If its wrong …….it will come back to you,welcome to modernization

        • Does the modern machine circle the postal code in pen and write ‘no such address’?

  13. If Maclean’s really wants to do an article on something juicy, maybe they should do some investigative reporting to find out where $500 million dollars (from the last 10 years of union dues) the postal union has spent and why they have no money left in their coffers to pay out strike pay. Most employees want to sign this deal but the union is flatly rejecting it but is scared to call a National strike. The funniest is that I attended a communist…I mean CUPW meeting the other day to ask some direct questions and you’d swear you were at a Nazi convention. When you read the National CUPWbible, the word “struggle” appears so many times you’d think were doing hard time. If it’s such a struggle for some of you, go get another job and leave those of us who enjoy what we do with a little peace.
     
    Go ahead maclean’s, do some investigative reporting. You would save me a little cash for the class action suit i’m thinking of launching. hey CUPW, WHERE HAS ALL OUR MONEY GONE?

    • You will never know. Unions are out for themselves, not their workers.

      • A union is the workers, a very democratic set up but you probably don’t know that having never been near a union. Really what do you think it is an entity that exists in a vacuum? Out for itself? Of course it is what a stupid statement.

        • It they are so ‘democratic’, you, as a member, must have access to their financials. Please, give us a breakdown of how they spend your money.

          It is an entity that exists, and it is like a vacuum. Sucks the money out of your pocket.

          • Commenting the heck out of every thread on this subject must really be cutting into your profits, modster. Your earning projects might be a bit off this month. I hope your mother understands you can’t help with the grocery bill.

            Oh, and before you come back and say anything about my assumptions, you might want to reflect on the number of ludicrous assumptions you’ve made in this space, dummy.

          • Nope. And anytime my mom calls, I help her out. It’s called respect.

            The only thing I will say is, yet again, you have no factual points. You are now resorting to personal attacks. I guess that is what you are left with, when you have no facts.

            Feel free to counter any of my ‘assumptions’ with facts. Please, feel free to post links to websites that back up your claims. If not, I guess you will be left with name calling.

          • What facts are you presenting, troll? You just disagree with everyone. Go back and read your drivel. You have a terrible job by your own description and a very limited understanding of unions, the weather and just about everything else you bring up. The ability to reflect on your own thoughts and work through some cognitive dissonance is a valuable skill. I’m not a CUPW member trying to convince you to support the cause. I am just laughing at someone who has a sh!t job and wants everyone to join him. Get back to work, monkey!

          • Again:
            name calling
            no facts
            and starting to get mean. Is it because you have nothing factual to say? It makes a person wonder.

            And by the way, I love my job. I have a great boss, and work whenever I want. Some things money can’t buy.

          • Chad, it is amazing that your last name is so well suited to the way you approach your comments.
            The union I belong to has not always represented the whole membership equally.  They have at times sacrificed the newer members by accepting better deals for the long term members.  Even in the best unions, the executive are going to be led by their own interests at some points.  They ultimately have their own agendas and sometimes lose touch with the new members. 

  14. Maybe you jealous bastards should form a union and try a word out called collective bargaining. Instead of saying “I have no benefits so nobody else deserves them” maybe you should go out and fight for workers rights. Congratulations on starting the race to the bottom. People should be thanking the labour movement not screwing it at every turn.
    As a generation x worker that remembers what it was like to have a good job. These attitudes sicken me. Yes it is fair to bank sick time.If the days are banked they are not being used. Maybe they should just take them and screw all the customers who depend on them to deliver their dividend cheques! These attitudes of hordes of uninformed people will screw our kids! Just wait,we will all be working for minum wage and knifing anyone who has a vacation or sick Time. I’m glad everyone is an entrepreneur here

    • I can’t speak for anybody else, but I am not saying that “I have no benefits so nobody else deserves them”.  What I am saying is that:

      1. If you have benefits that are grossly disproportionately generous compared to those of other workers, common sense should suggest that you’re not going to get a ton of sympathy from them when you go on strike.

      2. The “labour movement” is not the answer to our problems.  It’s part of the problem.  For decades now, the labour movement in Canada has spent most of its time making sure that people who already enjoy better benefits than other workers get even better benefits.  The labour movement in Canada has become, for the most part, a movement representing mostly public sector workers, workers in Crown corporations, etc.  It now represents a distinct minority of workers overall, and a fraction of workers in the private sector.  And to say that “Well, you should all just get unionized,” well, that’s ridiculous and patently unrealistic.  Not in our lifetime anyway.  Most of what organized labour in Canada now does is basically extract rents from Canadian taxpayers so that taxpayers fund the generous pensions of mostly public sector workers.  Workers in the private sector who have no pensions are supposed to, with their tax dollars, be supportive of funding the pensions of public sector workers.  If you don’t see what’s messed up about that, then you are blind.

      3. I’m all for legislation that would give us ALL  equal pension rights, e.g., making CPP an actual pension that you can live on.  But CUPW and the posties are doing dick, and have accomplished dick, in that regard. 

      • Well said.

      • Really? Air Canada pilots taking a hit for the airline in the 90′s then getting jammed? GM workers too? If they wanted to put their employers out of business it would be pretty short sighted. The problem is stupid people who think the the postal corporation can make more profits on the backs of their workers. Let the company renegoiate their hydro bills or property taxes or water bills oh wait they can’t do that. The rights of workers have been fought by the labour movement for the last 100 years. Some were murdered. Remember or ever hear of Winnipeg? Probably not. Canada post is not taxpayer funded. They are a corporation and have made profits for decades. As far as I understand the managers will all get raises when the unionized staff moves up so really the union is working for the people who are not negotiating and forcing them out.

        • They enjoy monopoly power on mail delivery. Open mail delivery up to competitive tender, and I will gladly shut up about the union’s benefits.

          • Well said.

          • private couriers cannot serve remote communities effectively without charging vastly more money per delivery. Canada Post was created to do that, not unlike a utility; it has the infrastructure. as it is, couriers are under charging in north america to try and outlast postal operations. if they were to succeed in taking over mail delivery, would they continue to subsidize remote deliveries by charging everyone the same across the board?

          • Canada would not be breaking a trail here. Several other developed countries have privatized or liberalized their postal delivery markets.

            Yes, you can have urban-rural cross-subsidization and private operators. We currently have it now with telecom, for instance.

      • You have heard of Maternity Leave? it was CUPW that fought hard to get that for its members and is now accepted in the workforce.

        • I fully realize that historically, the union movement has done good and useful things both for its members and society generally.  But that does NOT mean that everything the union movement does NOW is beneficial for our country or our society in general.  Do you not understand that distinction?  Some pro-union types seem to think that because unions did considerable social good, say, back in the 1930s, they’re somehow entitled to our absolute, unqualified and uncritical support into perpetuity.  That’s just unbelievably ridiculous.  It reminds me of these Liberal Party of Canada partisans who think that because Trudeau brought in the Charter nearly 30 years ago, it’s somehow un-Canadian to not vote Liberal and we should vote Liberal into perpetuity.

          • And yet again. . .

    • As long as I can force you to buy services from my company, that should work out fantastically. Can I force you to buy 100 dog washings a year from my dog-washing business? No dog? I guess you should get one.

  15.  Then come join me on my route in 2 feet of snow in -40 after your finger tips, toes and nose lose feeling from dead nerve endings for a week or so.  My guess is you would be in tears within the first hour and going home, not so much different from the coddled office job you as a uninformed internet reporter have right now.  When you want to do some actual research on what your talking about let me know then we can start your training come Christmas.  Good job comparing corrections officers to anyone or anything.  Maybe a corrections officer will send you an application so that when you get hired you can be the first guard through the door during a riot.  I’m guessing your in no shape for either postal work or corrections.

    • That’s why they invented Haley Hansons. :)

  16. Hi folks. My did this article get some reaction!
    Honestly, I can relate to the sides of everyone here. I read all the comments and most of you all have really valid points. I am a postie. I have walked the ten to twenty kilometers in these shoes. I think if you are actually performing a service – and a necessary one – there should be adequate pay. I think that it would be nice if everyone could look forward to a pension of some kind. Maybe, if the government ran everything, we all would. Or maybe not.
    Honestly, I shook my head when our president, Denis Lemelin, spewed out his 11.55% wage increase idea. Thanks buddy, way to get us some public sympathy. Gord Fischer was on Rutherford last week (Alberta for anyone in the cheap seats) and he said occasionally, in nice weather, a letter carrier who’s really good might get off early. It’s a treat. I was at the strike votes, you should have seen the people there who did nothing but sweat over the possibility of actually working eight hours. There are tons of letter carriers that still only work four hours. So essentially they’re making over forty-five bucks an hour. Plus banked sick time. Plus pension. Plus benefits. How about us greener kids who have to work the full five hour walks in the rough neighbourhoods?
    I ask honestly, at what point does a company fail to keep paying for this? Both our federal governments and the U.S. government are looking at having to cut military spending. There, Hell froze over, this proves that at some point, the money isn’t there. Record profits, $20 billion dollars in taxes to the government. The union said this? What about all their trips to Cuba to entice the Cuban postal workers to organize? ONCE A YEAR! Canada Post doesn’t want to say where the $1.4 billion dollars is coming from that our demands will cost? Does our union feel inclined to say where all THEIR figures are from? When asked if the union thought that mail delivery was possibly in danger and Canada Post may actually have a genuine concern, Gord Fischer says it’s important not to believe their lies! Strong talk. The union really didn’t have any answers for the lack of information given to the public either. And Mr. Fischer DOESN’T think our support is waning in the public and within the ranks of his own union?
    The company still isn’t out of the woods here. They talk of all the mail volume that has dropped. That is because people like “Newpostie” have just been laid off and now whole runs are not being covered and thanks to there being no DAs or PO4s, huge piles of unsorted mail are billowing out of depots across the country. The country has a lot to answer for as well. Here’s the trouble. They are the big mean corporation. They have been handed the mandate. It is in a corporation’s legal – let me say that again – “legal” and binding obligation to “keep it in the black” and show profit. Not break even. No where is that written (except maybe CUPW’s website) and in no way does it make a lick of sense. The union will be looking for their poke too. That 11.55% raise will surprise me if it isn’t being sucked up by hiked union dues.
    The solution… I don’t claim to have all the answers. I just deliver the mail. Which I am only able to do now 3 days a week.

    • Nice to hear some truth and sense from a CUPW member. For the record, I have never said anything bad about any of you, as we are all just regular Canadians. You are right, though; the public doesn’t sympathize with the CUPW strike at all.

      • I wonder how the public will react at the end of the year, when the RSMC (Rural & Suburban Mail Carriers) contract expires. We service the Community Mailboxes (‘super-boxes’) and/or roadside boxes. We don’t walk, we drive our own vans (cost of gas up 40%, but no more money from CPC), we sort and deliver 50% – 100% more mail than Letter Carriers (the walking posties), and most of us make far less and have next to no benefits. We are, effectively, the second tier. We deserve parity; we should be part of the same collective agreement, have reasonable time values for all our duties, and compensation accordingly. As it is, compensation is completely inconsistent route to route, based not on any formula but instead on each route’s rate when it was converted from contracts & subcontracts in 2003. 

        My route is under-compensated and unreasonably spread out. You try sorting 6,000 letters on a monday morning – plus a few hundred magazines and another 30-50 parcels. I can’t think of anything ‘soft and cushy’ about it; except maybe the dog crap some people think it’s funny to leave beside the CMB’s. Some one even put a bagged one in the outgoing mail slot. Classy. I’m proud to be a Canadian, but some of you people make me wonder… and your ignorance about not just OUR job, but about what is going on in the working world generally, is really a shame. Please, educate yourselves – don’t drag us down because of misinformation and spite. 

        • Actually, I know someone who does that job. It is in a rural area. When she got it, she bragged about how good it paid (that was, admittedly, about 6 years ago). If there haven;t been increases, could it be that it was overpaid to begin with?

          • Do you just read the part that serves your point of view and ignore the rest? What part of “compensation is completely inconsistent route to route” did you not understand? CPC tried to cut costs by contracting out rural and suburban mail delivery – this compromised the integrity of the mail, and ultimately they had offer to hire the routeholder as employee, do background checks etc. However, many routes were held by Master Contractors, who subcontracted, and took a cut. Picture this: a new route is created (suburban development), a Master Contractor bids on it with no intention of doing the route himself, so he underbids to guarantee he’ll get it, take his cut, and find some desperate sucker who will try to do the job, until he is so overworked that his garage is full of undelivered mail. When CPC was obliged to abandon this guaranteed-to-fail contracting scheme, a rule was instituted to prevent anyone from holding more than one route. However, the compensation previously negotiated for delivery of each route became the employee “pay” – so a route that was originally difficult to contract out might be compensated at a rate approaching that of urban workers; while most of the subcontracted routes are under-compensated; and trading up is by seniority. So, RSMC’s are still the victims of CPC’s misconceived subcontracting experiment… until Dec 31. Of course, CPC will do everything possible to prevent us from being part of the urban contract – but how can they justify keeping us separate? They know that’s a lost cause, so they are trying to cut back the urban agreement as much as possible before they have to deal with us.

          • I read it all. “compensation is completely inconsistent route to route” is about money. The routes you claim are paid ‘adequately’ are not contracted out. The ones that aren’t are paid less. Yet people are still doing them. That would beg the question: Why aren’t all routes paid the same as the contracted routes.

            Again, this is about money. word it however you want, it is about money. (but ‘compensation’ isn’t the same as ‘money’ – lol)

  17. The point of our sick days being bankable is in case your injured and everyone knows it takes eons for WCB to make any judgment on any claim, so how are you going to get paid if let’s say you tore your Achilles tendon?  You make it sound as if we can use our sick days for pre retirement or to cash out.  Again, wrong in your news facts surprise surprise.  As well at minimum 75% of people with large banked sick time are people who have been their a long time.  BTW it takes 28 years to get 7 weeks holidays for us as letter carriers which brings me back to a previous point.  If you think your body can hold in those kinds of conditions outside for 30 years, come find me I’ll train you personally.

    • You could do what all the other workers in Canada do: go under STD at work, and also WCB. Heaven forbid you be treated like a regular Canadian.

      • Sweet STD for 7 days then wait unpaid for WCB to make judgment or work injured no wonder your, your own boss you wouldn’t survive 5 minutes in the “Real World”.

        • What a silly statement. I live in the real world – not you. If I don’t work – I don’t get paid. No STD, LTD, or benefits of any kind, unless I buy insurance.

          Give me a break. Telling me about the ‘real word’.

          If I take 7 weeks of holidays, I better have a tonne of money in the bank first. . .

  18. Canada Post workers are like spoiled children, who are used to complaining and always getting their way. Not only are they overcompensated for the little amount of work they do (considering that’s what you got yourself into when you took the job), but you have almost 2 months of vacation and banked sick days. The fact that you are complaining makes me sick. There are many people in this world that would be honored and grateful to take over this ‘hard’ job of yours, and get paid half the wage that you do. And the fact that you get paid more or at least equal to what an educated person might get, makes me sick. The fact that you get paid $40000-60000 annually for carrying letters, and then have the nerve to complain makes me want to punch you. The field I’m in requires a masters degree at minimum (so having spent a minimum of $40000 on my degree and six years of my life) and my starting wage is only $50000. I am thankful for this job.

     Postal workers need to shut the hell up and appreciate what they have, especially in this economy. And tough shit that you have to be on time and not talk to coworkers when working…actually doing your work and not wasting time doesn’t seem to be the most difficult task. 

    • I don’t think any of us postal workers are “complaining” about our jobs. I happen to LOVE my job as a letter carrier. In my short 10 years of working at Canada Post I have seen many casuals being trained and then quitting after about 2 weeks on the job saying they could’nt do it and did’nt realize how hard it was. And by the way I get 4 weeks holidays NOT 7.

    • not only do we carry letters but we also carry magazines, parcels, ad mail, phone books……….ect.

    • Too bad your expensive education didn’t oblige you to spend some time in the physical working world. Too bad your expensive education didn’t teach you to research and investigate before making deductions. Maybe you overpaid; or, more likely, maybe it’s just easier to stick with your ignorant assumptions, especially when they are so widely shared. Let me put it another way: GO AHEAD AND LYNCH US NIGGERS!

      Did that get your attention? Now before someone gets their knickers in a twist about how offensive, inappropriate, and/or politically incorrect the analogy is, let me make clear: if you think I am comparing Postal Workers to anyone or anything, you’re wrong, and missing the point. I am addressing all the ignorant ‘haters’ – that’s the word of currency, yes?

      It has been suggested several times throughout these comments that if you haven’t actually done the job, you are not qualified to comment; suggested not as a self-serving attempt to limit debate, but in response to the great number of comments based on misinformation, ignorance or stupidity; that seem motivated by resentment, bitterness, anger, and spite; and which are exacerbated by their very preponderance: a mob mentality. In your case, ababa67, your desire to punch someone ostensibly because they lack an education, is reprehensible (i wouldn’t mention this except you played higher learning like a trump card, but abadaba: my IQ could use your IQ for pocket change – you don’t want to play the smarty-pants game with me). For you to take such an ugly elitist stance, especially on the basis of a jealous presumption, suggests that whatever you may have learned in the halls of academe, your mama didn’t raise you good, or maybe you just weren’t paying attention, ‘cuz your character is lacking, and yes, you SHOULD be ashamed. Informed opinion is always welcome: that is how the truth prevails, by fair and open debate.

      Now, here is what I feel may be the most important part of this debate, which is being almost completely overlooked (not entirely: see Heather Mallick, Toronto Star, June 7), and it’s right there in your comment, ababa67, end of the first line of the second paragraph: “especially in this economy.” This is trotted out by almost all of you, and no doubt underlies the rancor so many feel ; it’s the unexamined piece of received wisdom that CPC (the corporation), the government, the banks, and probably everyone with a managerial and/or ownership stake in every business everywhere, is counting on to eliminate support for CUPW today… and everyone else tomorrow. It’s the bossman saying take it or leave it, there’s always somebody hungry enough to do it for less, and feeding your kids is not his problem. When you bring up the economy, go a little deeper: why is the gap between rich and poor expanding? Why does a tiny and ever-smaller number of people legally (So qualified because my pinko soul denies any claim to more than revocable stewardship of the commons – it may be legal but that don’t make it right.) own an ever-greater proportion of global wealth, while an ever greater number of people control less and less? Why does the Financial sector represent 7.5% (that’s 1/13th) of GDP today, yet returns no more productive value than in the 1960’s when it was 3%? Record bank profits are not a sign of a healthy economy.

      We know these things, we get briefly outraged every year when bank profits are announced, then we have to set them aside and get on with eking out our own living – but the sense of unfairness lingers, and the rage remains. Emotion needs an outlet, and so it festers and twists until it finds a target; the rational underpinning falls away as unresolved emotion slakes itself on whatever was unlucky enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

      There is nothing wrong with a good job; but if I have one and you don’t, you are reminded of the unfairness of distribution. If you want equality yet are unable to better your situation, then it becomes easy to justify dragging me down. The kinds of change that will benefit you may require substantial active involvement on your part when you already feel strapped just hanging on to what you have. On the other hand, your passive involvement with a mob hungry for equality one way or another, makes it easy for the employer to misrepresent the issues and rally public support. I know, from the nearly three years as an RSMC (the first year and three quarters in on-call relief, with NO pension, NO vacation, NO benefits), that this is a virtually thankless job, and with very few exceptions the only public interaction comes if a mistake is made or things aren’t to their liking, and boy are they harsh (to say nothing of ignorant). Last week I was accosted by a customer who hadn’t received an awaited cheque; his lead-in was that he had received a piece of his neighbour’s mail, might I have swapped them? Or did I have any memory of delivering these important cheques somewhere else (among 850 points of call). Right. I deliberately mis-deliver mail, because every mis-delivered piece pisses off three people, and as all of you know who know so much about our job, that’s what we want most, to be universally criticized and despised.

      If we do not unite for better jobs, for more fair distribution of global wealth, for a Pigovian tax system (that’s an issue for another day; but look it up), we will be easy prey for those in power to divide and conquer. Today it is CUPW under attack. Tomorrow it will be someone else’s turn. There are many variations on this quote from Martin Niemöller:

      “In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;
      And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;
      And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;
      And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up.”

      • Next time make it smaller, and some of us might read it.

        • Oh but if it was an editorial by a Macleans writer if would be expected to be read………..how one-sided is that

          • That is not the same at all. Maclean’s has a reputation, and pays their people to do the digging and research. We can, and do, expect good reads in their papers.

            Anonymous people on the internet do that have that built in credibility. It has to be earned. If you wanted to make your points, I would suggest that you do so in bite sized chunks. If you have any facts to present, provide a like to where you sourced them. Keep it brief, and it might get read.

            No bias, people just don’t want to waste their time reading someone’s wordy ramble. (not saying that is that yours was – I never finished it).

          • never finished it… did it go on too long without any points you could challenge? you’ve made it pretty clear you challenge everything you possibly can. it’s pathetic that someone who has chosen to involve him(?)self in this debate to the degree you have, would stoop to defending the  sound-bite mentality. 

            I might say i’m sorry I don’t write for Macleans, except that the lack of research fuelling this one-sided editorial attack kind of diminishes the value of the job. Funnily enough, i was recently considering subscribing – good thing i didn’t waste my money.
            (oh and BTW you still don’t seem to get it about my earlier point regarding RSMC route compensation – they are not compensated consistently because the company has been able to get away with screwing us. A substantial part of the profit they have made for the last decade plus has effectively come from the sweat of RSMC’s. Whatever else  today’s CUPW fight is about, you have not once addressed the two-tiered staffing the company wants (guaranteed to create a toxic workplace); and when the RSMC contract expires at the end of the year, they’ll try and make us part of that second tier. No F*cking Way.)

          • Again, you are proving my point. Lots of words and ‘feelings’, very few facts.

            I do totally ‘get’ your points about the RSMC route compensation. That’s why I keep saying this strike is about money. If CP can get all the postal employees who have a route to work for the same price, (what they pay the RSMC folks) they would save a fortune. Of course, you, as a beneficiary of the current wage system, would hate this. You have, though, given no information as to why the rest of Canadians should see this as a bad thing.

            The way I see it, if CP saves money, they can lower the costs of using them, or they will put more money into the general revenue fund of the Canadian Gov’t. It seems to me that my interests are best served by CP, at the moment.

        • You claim I ”have given no information as to why the rest of Canadians should see [downgrading all CUPW remuneration to that of the RSMCs]  as a bad thing.”
          Wow. you really are obtuse, as well as plainly wrong. i’ll say it once more; try reading slowly, maybe take notes, so you don’t miss it this time. Here it comes… ready?

          Good jobs (ie: fairly compensated) are a good thing. For the economy to thrive, there must be enough of these to perpetuate a middle class, because that’s where the most discretionary spending happens (it’s not happening nearly as much now, in case you hadn’t noticed; that’s what people are talking about when they refer to the ‘current economy’). Creating lots of low-wage jobs – or converting good ones to low-wage, as you are proposing – will not benefit the economy. Trying to justify your desired downgrade “because of the economy,” misunderstands its economic impact; and trying to justify it because your current job is not as well compensated, is being a bad person (jealousy, spite etc.). 

          There have been no other justifications offered, excluding those who are so plainly ignorant of CUPW jobs as to disqualify themselves (actually, most of them are in that second category, aren’t they… and you seem to be in both).

          • In what way am I ignorant of CUPW jobs. Are they magical jobs that can only be understood once done? I have never been a teacher, but have a fairly good understanding of what they do. I would submit that their jobs are more complex.

            I read it slowly, and it changes nothing. An overpaid job is an over paid job. If you only want to look a a small part of the economy, your argument might make sense.

            First of all, a dollar travels a lot in the economic cycle. If spending was the only side of it, it would fall apart. We also need investment, which is done my people with a lot of money. They create the jobs.

            I don’t think I have used the ‘current economy’ to back up my argument – I don’t need to – overpaid is overpaid. It never makes good economic sense to over pay people, but this is especially true it there are unemployed people willing to do the job. You seem to think that if the dollars aren’t spent by the CP, on the CUPW workers, they disappear from the economy. That isn’t the case. They will result in more profits, that the gov’t can use to the benefit of us all, or they will result in lower costs, which will benefit all of the CP’c customers. That would leave the customers more money in their pockets to spend on other goods and services. Either way, the majority of Canadians will be the beneficiaries, while the only losers would be the CUPW workers.

            This might explain your inability to understand why the average Canadian, given all the facts, would not support you. You do not represent the ‘poor working class’, you represent an elite that only exists because of the union, AND the fact that it is a crown corporation. We all know this, and are now not afraid to say it.

            Feel free to think me ignorant, and if you think that, please provide a better comment to ‘enlighten’ me than the above post. Heck, using your argument, CP should double it’s wages to all employees, as this would put lots of money into the economy, and help us all. LOL

          • …your eyes are brown. i see how much you like to put words in people’s mouths, repeatedly inventing reductio ad absurda and imputing them to us. My argument can in no way be used to support your preposterous suggestion of doubling wages… and this leads us to your ignorance. “All the facts” that you claim will cause the average Canadian not to support me, are precisely what you lack. You insist that CUPW workers are overpaid – but your only proofs are received wisdom (ie: mob mentality propaganda) and the evidence that there are many jobs paying less. I agree, there are. Why do you insist this means someone is overpaid? You mention the union; alright, so get off your lazy blogging butt and organize! So far, the best you can do to address the inequity is to try and drag down the people who are slightly ahead of you. i’ve tried repeatedly to point out that the real inequity is that enjoyed by the ruling class, but you have yet to address that.

            you bring up teaching – a generally under-rewarded occupation – and mention its complexity, as if that somehow trumps CUPW jobs; and thereby reveal more of your ignorance. you subscribe to a common assumption (held by many who have shared their ignorance on this issue) that equates “simple” with “easy.” Not only is postal work less simple than you imagine, it is far, far less easy. Not magical (your eyes are SO brown).

            Now, I will concede one point: I think the bankable sick days need to be revisited. while i am not one to renege on a deal – and therefore would not ask current CUPW urban workers to give up what they have – I feel that sick days are fundamentally just that. like the concept underlying insurance, where we all pay into a pool and those hit by great misfortune draw on it to avoid financial devastation. So, while i see nothing wrong with banking sick days as sick days (doctor’s note required), i can appreciate the public resentment over converting them. i would suggest that for future hires a very modest conversion be allowed, perhaps along these lines: that no conversion occurs if one has used 40% or more of the total; and for those who do qualify, conversion at a rate in the range of 10-20% (ie: 5-10 sick days = 1 day’s pay).

            Finally: the economy. i didn’t say we need to overpay people to maintain a healthy economy, and i do not believe the the urban CUPW workers are overcompensated; and I know for a painful fact that I am very much under-compensated. But it is people who spend the money, and they need to have it to spend it; and most need to earn it to have it. If you cut down the CUPW urban workers that will not help you. there are almost always people somewhere who will do a job for less, that doesn’t mean anybody is overpaid. however, if the majority of jobs being created are at subsistence level wages (presently the case), those workers cannot improve the economy. Why, other than spite (which is  the reality of your insistence that a job you have never done is overcompensated), would you want to bring those people down to your level? You said something about profits lowering costs or being distributed to you all by the government… surely this was where you meant to use the word “magical,” because buddy, you are dreaming in Technicolor. 
            You may not be completely ignorant, nevertheless you are a sophist, and worthy of derision. Stop wasting your energy attacking the working man and make an effort to improve your own lot.

          • Can’t reply to you below.

            I am, in no way, misleading people, and being as how I am a working man, don’t attack myself. Also, I improve my lot every day, but I do it through hard work and risk.

            I claim that CUPW workers are over paid:
            To quote you:
            “the
            evidence that there are many jobs paying less. I agree, there are.”
            “address
            the inequity”
            “people
            who are slightly ahead of you.”
            “Now,
            I will concede one point: I think the bankable sick days need to be revisited.
            while i am not one to renege on a deal – and therefore would not ask current
            CUPW urban workers to give up what they have – I feel that sick days are
            fundamentally just that.”
            “i can appreciate the public resentment over converting them.”
            “bring
            those people down to your level?”

            - Do you even read your own words. You are admitting that you are paid more than on average, and your argument to this is everyone else should get more. This flies in the face of supply and demand.
            Now to quote the article:
            “Research by the Canadian Federation of Independent Business in 2008
            found postal workers enjoyed a 17 per cent wage premium over comparable
            private sector jobs.”
            I would submit that is pretty self explanatory, and doesn’t even take into account benefits.

            I have addressed what managers and executives make many times. Check other posts, to save me from having to cut and paste.

            I brought up teaching to contrast what someone who pays and goes to school for 4 years gets, compared to what someone with a high school (?) education gets.

            I love how you concede that the current set up for sick days it wrong, yet you won’t give it up. You will, however, allow the change for new hires. Even with your change it is messed up. Why on earth should sick days be paid to an employee, just because they aren’t used?

            Someone just gave me a good link, and it had some great info:

            http://canadasmodernpost.wordpress.com/2011/06/10/more-on-the-history-of-canadas-postal-transformation/

            “the conserving of cash was not done, and the amount now owing to the current pension deficit is 3.2 billion dollars”
            “Canada Post’s blueprint for the future did not calculate a market crash
            and did not conserve any cash for a just-in-case scenario. Now they do
            not have the money, as Mr. Silcoff predicted, for the pension.”
            “Canada Post is now looking to recover this miscalculation through the
            bargaining of a new collective agreement with their largest union, the
            Canadian Union of Postal Workers.”

            Canada Post is also not financially in the position to sustain the
            pension plan if another market crash occurs again. There are no cash
            reserves for this.

            The corporate decisions of the last four years have put Canada Post
            into a financial crisis and it will be interesting to see how it will
            overcome the financial obstacles it has created. That is if it can, or
            it may have to be overhauled.”

            I didn’t realize how bad the situation was, or how underfunded the pension plan is. I predict that you folks will not get much of what you want, as CP doesn’t have the resources. That said, I doubt we will be seeing huge profits, and that the prices will go down – lol.

            This whole thing is really simple. The employer wants to decrease the amount of money it’s labor costs. The workers don’t like it. Strike. Basically, if everyone in Canada didn’t already know that you folks are overpaid, there would be marching in the streets. As it is, we all wait until you folks come down to earth.

            You mentioned that you didn’t make enough, yet everywhere I read that you folks are overcompensated. Care to enlighten me with your annual take last year? Plus how many hours you worked? (not how many hours you were paid for, but how many hours you worked. We know those two numbers are not the same).

          • some of this may be repetition, but your selective reading obliges it.
            1) I am an RSMC, a member of CUPW, not on strike; the Rural and Suburban Mail Carrier’s Collective Agreement (“C-A” so as not to be confused with “contract”, which will be used specifically below) is still in effect, begun in 2003 and ending Dec 31 2011. 2) We are fundamentally the same as Letter Carriers, and should be included together with with them and others covered by the Urban C-A (expired May 24), now on strike.3) Basic differences between LC and RSMC: we do not walk house-to-house. We deliver to Community Mail Boxes, and/or individual Roadside boxes. We transport mail in our own vans; as well as parcels, flyers, and Personal Contact Items (mail & parcels requiring scanning, signatures, Customs payments, C.O.D. etc which must be delivered to individual addresses; and when undeliverable, carded and relayed to a Retail Postal Outlet or substation where the customer can later claim them). Our routes are typically much bigger than LC routes: mine has over 850 Points of Call (addresses), in 82 CMB modules (usually in groups of three) at 27 sites, along a 35km round trip through two municipalities and with two RPO’s… no Roadboxes. The daily gross compensation is essentially $100 for the route, $14 vehicle and $18 variable allowance (ostensibly to cover pci’s, rpo’s, lock changes, flyers. According to CPC the average daily time to complete the route is just over 6 hours – that is, to obtain and sort and prepare for delivery all mail, flats, magazines, parcels and flyers; to load the van, deliver everything including PCI’s, collect mail from outgoing slots (checking for mis-sorts and Return-To-Senders); relay carded items to the RPO’s, return to Postal facility, upload scanner, drop off mail. PCI delivery: retrieve item from van, secure van, go to door, ring doorbell, scan item, listen for signs of life, procure Delivery Notification Card, knock on door glass with pen case, fill out DNC, scan DNC, peel off sticker backing – door is answered. “Hello, Canada Post – I have a registered parcel requiring a signature; your name, Ma’am?” “Well what is it?” “Not sure ma’am, haven’t tried opening it yet – looks like a box.” “Well who’s it for?… uhm… what? Oh. Oh, that’s my son, he must have ordered it… just a minute” “That’s alright ma’am, you can sign for it-” “No, he ordered it, he should sign; just a minute, I’ll get him up; Theodore! THEEEE-O-DOOOORE!” For this, or something like it, CPC deems I should earn… one dollar. Some RSMC’s card almost everything in advance, but I’m the kind of dedicated sucker who believes in actually doing the job properly). On the average monday (typically the heaviest day of the week) i’ll have 5-6,000 letters to sort, plus hundreds of magazines, and 30-50 packets and parcels, usually most of them scannable and half of those PCI, and more days than not there will be a couple of huge and/or heavy and/or poorly wrapped and/or reeking like dead fish nightmare parcels. Other days the mail volume may drop but magazines or parcels increase. In the fall the magazines get to be 3/4″ thick; and then there’s Christmas – or rather, the six weeks before and after when amazon.com, shoppers network, toys r us etc empty half their warehouses. RSMC’s deliver 75% of parcels in the GTA. Gas went up 40% this year, but I get no more vehicle allowance.My route is, literally, shitty. Some of the neighbourhoods think it’s all in good fun to leave their dog’s crap – and banana peels, discarded flyers, somebody else’s mail that moved away etc all around the CMB’s. Before I got my own route last year I spent nearly two years in on-call relief, which was mostly a nightmare; it only improved for a couple of months when i was put on extended relief on a good route – one with fewer POC’s, less mail, a few Roadboxes, only one RPO, no dog crap, a guy who ordered little stuff online all the time and tipped me constantly (unlike the two addresses on my route now, that order big stuff all the time and not even a thank you or christmas card, let alone a tip); plus nicer scenery, sweet smelling foliage… and it paid nearly $200 a day (all in).So, why the discrepancy?Before CPC created the RSMC as employee in 2003, they used contractors; and many of those became Master Contractors who controlled many routes and subcontracted. The compensation was negotiated individually per route, and unlike LC walks, CPC avoided time values (how long on average a competent and experienced LC requires for each task, from sorting through delivery). Since the MC often only did one route himself – sometimes not even that – but took a cut from each, he might underbid to add another route, since he’ll take his cut and as we know, there is always someone desperate enough to work for slave wages. CPC’s attempt to save money compromised the integrity of the mail – subcontractors were overworked and couldn’t keep up, ditching mail or hoarding it until they quit or got caught. Eventually CPC decreed one holder per route, and must be an employee, subject to background checks etc. Each routeholder or subcontractor was offered first right of refusal on their route, and the RSMC was created. Even though the exercise in contracting resulted in substandard service and substandard working conditions, and there was no standard of remuneration, CPC declared that the employee would be paid… whatever the contract rate for the route was at the time the RSMC C-A was created. The standard compensation for route adjustment (if a route got bigger, or a new one was created), established in 2003 and not improved since, is 9¢ per POC per day (no, that doesn’t mean I am earning $13 more a day than i ought; the $99 i get includes more than just the POC – however it is very hard to get a clear breakdown of what is included or accounted for where; I’ve tried).RSMC’s have very little by comparison to the urban workers: lower pay, lesser pension and fewer benefits. We are, effectively, both the second and third tier workforce at CPC; arguably, much of the profit CPC has racked up every year for the past 16, has come from the sweat of RSMCs and their antecedents. So why did I take the job if I knew what a rip-off it was? Well, I didn’t know, because initially I was lied to – the HR rep who contacted me when my application was approved, quoted a starting hourly rate slightly below $20; and then added that in on-call relief, I would make whatever the route I was covering paid; just no benefits or pension till I got my own route. Then the rules for filling vacant routes changed, and then i was given more wrong information about how to apply for vacant routes… as has been noted elsewhere in these comments, CPC is not overly forthcoming – especially as regards a workforce they have been exploiting unfairly for years. I can’t imagine what justification they will offer when our C-A expires and they attempt to prevent us from being treated equivalently to the urban workers, and merging into that C-A. What will they say? That we work harder, and accomplish more?[a couple of sidebar responses to your other comments/questions...1) re: sick days – I am an honourable man and therefore I would not ask to allow CPC to renege on the bankable/convertible sick day arrangement they agreed to in the past. Those who have it, are entitled to it. Why allow any conversion? Without it there would be a lot more sick days taken by those who saw others get paid out and want what was promised; and under my proposal, or a variant, there is an incentive not to malinger.2) Just because non-unionized workers accept less for a similar job does not make that the standard - as i have repeatedly stated, the downward pressure on worker compensation is a major factor in stalling the economic recovery; hunkering down into survival mode just gets everybody hunkered down waiting for something to occur that requires unhunkering. Moreover, the alternative courier services competing with CPC are only pretending to be competitive, underpricing in the north american market and subsidizing that with international rates and an under-compensated workforce (the more you lower average worker compensation, the farther from economic recovery we get); plus, likely that rate is skewed down by the abysmal compensation paid for door to door flyer distribution – I don't have access to the study and neither do you, but I know how they make statistics sell the story they want to tell.]oh, yeah… how many hours do i work for my take-home pay that barely tops $100 a day, and from which I must pay for gas, commercial vehicle insurance, vehicle payments, etc.? Well, I could probably do it in 6.5 if i stopped doing my PCI’s like i’m supposed to, and dumped my flyers… but then i’d get fired. So, i guess 7-11 hrs depending, plus commute; less in the summer, more in the fall, killer at xmas. yeah, you must be right, what do i have to complain about? i’m an overpaid jerk.

      • Yes, if we don’t support CUPW, we’re tantamount to people who didn’t stand up to the Nazis.  Got it, Godwin.

        • hard to tell if you’re willfully obtuse, downright stupid, or just pulling my chain. if you really missed the point, i’ll reiterate:
          1) most of the anti-CUPW comments reflect a profound ignorance of the job (not unlike the editorial itself);
          2) good jobs are a good thing: decent wages & benefits sustain a strong economy;
          3) arguing that the current economic situation justifies downgrading good jobs, and/or introducing a second (lower) tier workforce (which eventually will achieve the same result) is wrong on two counts:
          3a) it doesn’t help the economy;
          3b) it wrongly blames workers for the mistakes, greed and corruption of owners, banks, and governments;
          4) scapegoating other workers (in this case, CUPW) because you perceive their grass to be greener than yours does not serve either your immediate or long term interests;
          4a) it does, however, serve the interests of owners et al.
          5) acting out of jealousy, bitterness, hatred, spite, etc. rots the soul;
          6) acting out of ignorance is irresponsible and unacceptable
          7) doing nothing to prevent the wrong thing, indicates a lack of character;
          7a) even allowing a scale of egregiousness, with the Nazis at the heinous end, any contribution to the wrong thing should always be avoided. 

          • You don’t seem to grasp the difference between not actively supporting a particular group of people vs. hating or resenting them or whatever.  If the posties want to go on strike, now that they’re no longer really an essential service, I couldn’t really care less.  I don’t begrudge them their right to strike.  They can fill their pants.  It’s their right.  What I resent are these bombastic lefty ideologues who insist that it’s some sacred duty incumbent on all of us to support the posties in their supposedly heroic struggle against The Man, blah blah blah.

            It’s like the free speech principle — I might not agree with what you say, but I fully support your right to say it.  I fully support the posties’ right to strike.  But that doesn’t mean that I agree, or have to agree, with their position in this particular strike.  Now why the hell can’t you respect my right not to agree with all of their substantive positions, and my right to have a critical opinion or two regarding industrial relations policy in Canada?  Instead, people like you have to go ad hominem and claim that I’m acting out of bitterness, spite, etc.

          • Again, well said.

  19. Maybe you should have gone to school so you don’t have to walk in two feet of snow and -40 degree weather. I guess you’d bitch either way.

  20. I have 6 ex posties on my route of 600 houses.  I have tremendous repor with 99% of people on my route and all 6 within 1 year of retirement have had either shoulder or hip replacement surgery.  Hopefully the reporter sends me his info so I can get him his application then we can let the training start, of my overpaid, coddled job and crazy crazy sick time which I as an employee of 5 years have less than 100 banked hours. Blew out my Achilles tendon last winter working 14 hours in 3 feet of snow with 60km winds helping customers get unstuck and delivering my mail.  Yup that’s coddled hahah, idiots who have no idea what they are talking about really make me laugh.

  21. I have 2 degrees ababa67 need me to send you an application?

    • In what? And why aren’t you using them?

      • In

      • 4 years of computer science and 4 years of biology and I can make at Canada Post in overtime during the harsh winters, what both those fields pay .  I choose Canada Post because I get to work outdoors, stay in shape(which I love) and interact with the public and my customers on a mass level.

        •  Sorry about that earlier post, you pissed me off, but anyhow I get so much overtime during the winter because of sickness (flu season) and people flying off stairs and going to the hospital for broken bones or concussions, since were understaffed at my depot I can take as much OT as I want at the cost usually of brutally cold and windy weather not to mention the fact usually 20 of my 600 houses shovel snow or ice for me.  Sit back for a moment and actually think how tough your legs and body have to be to endure that 5 days a week,  you probably have to go through it to get to work, whereas I work IN it.  I live in Calgary so I get it for 6 – 8 months per year.

          • I live near Calgary. Give it up. Their winters are almost the nicest in Alberta.

          • You obviously don’t live in Calgary saying that or never go outside.  That’s fact and I’ll take you along with me on my route so you can ask my customers as they laugh at you.

        • You have pretty much proved what we have all been saying. Overpaid. And, if you didn’t think so, you would be doing another job, which you obviously are trained for. You stay because of the pay and the benefits, and you know everyone else has it worse.

          • Wow we must be friends and you know what I’m thinking lol.  Your presumption is a joke.  Anything else you want to tell me about me?

          • I wasn’t going what you were thinking, I was going off of what you wrote. And just to let you know, I am very familiar with the winters in Calgary, which is why I am not letting you portray it to the rest of the country as this incredibly cold spot. Again, it almost has the best winter, compared to the rest of Alberta.

  22. I guess your masters degree ababa67 didn’t teach you anything about common sense let alone talking to a letter carrier to find out what’s really going on, what were fighting for because it sure ain’t wages or the amount of sick time.  If you actually used your mouth instead of your fingers on a pc keyboard and asked a carrier he might tell you were fighting because they (CPC) wants to give full authority to a doctor of their choosing who doesn’t even see your injury out in Ottawa going by a book of injury averages for healing time, so what do you do ababa67?  A. Work injured and have the off chance it sticks around the rest of your natural life or B. Stay home wait 3 months for WCB to make a judgment on your claim and maybe lose your house.  My guess is you don’t face either in your coddled desk job.  It’s frightening to me someone who has a masters degree in god knows what and is so opposed to actually finding out what’s really going on.

    • Welcome to the world of WCB. We all live under it, and it surely isn’t as bad as you make it out to be.

      • Guess you’ve never been injured, nor been unlucky enough to wait months on a claims judgment.  Must be nice I guess you work for WCB and know this as fact.  Why don’t you call WCB and get your facts straight.

        • Busted two ribs under WCB – worked well, except that they were pushing me to get back to work.

          I pushed back. :)

          • waitaminit – you mean, when YOU think you are unfairly treated, YOU  push back, and that’s good because you’re the little guy who stands up for himself… but if a union’s involved, we must all be overpaid undeserving whiners. of course, how foolish of me. i am SO GLAD for the enlightenment you are sharing,,, except that your eyes are brown.

          • 1) I have never called you undeserving or a whiner.
            2) There are 48000 people who work for CUPW? I haven’t seen all that much whining on this board, so I would submit it is just a few.
            3) The current contract does overpay the CUPW workers. 17% above the average. That is quite a bit.

            You are free to push whatever you want. Where we disagree, and we both have the right to our opinions, is about whether or not you are being unfairly treated. Feel free to ask regular Canadians what they think.

            And again, if you feel you are being treated unfairly, and that you could do better elsewhere, you are free to leave at any time. I would submit that you won’t leave, the contract you get next will be worse than the previous one, and then the vast majority of you will still stay. I would say that means that none of you can do better elsewhere. That would lead me to believe that you are still paid quite well.

      • Last time I checked WCB doesn’t ask a doctor in Ottawa that doesn’t see you if your cleared for work based upon average healing times.  I’m just glad your making my points for me because your so brutally wrong lol.

        • Not sure, but they do start to pushing you to go back to work based on ‘average recovery times’. You can push back. Quite sure you have to see a WCB approved doctor, though.

  23. Couple of things… the vacation time is for guys 30+ years on the job. The danger of a two tiered pay system is that opens the door for CP to “downsize” many positions with Modern Post, and then when the overtime gets out of control, hire them back at a lower wage. The other two sticking points are carrying multiple bundles per arm, doing this and walking would be difficult, especially in the winter time when footing is tenuous, couple that with a changed sick leave system, and many people will be working hurt. Not good for a career of doing that. Also, try doing the job for a day before you judge. Try sorting a walk and then walking it in the time given and then say “geeze this is easy”.

    • Question about ‘the time given’. What happens if it takes you longer than the time given? On the same note, what happens if it takes you less time than the time given? Do you make more or less?

      • all routes are based on a time value where the route is wheeled off for distance and then time given for sortation and dispatching. If it takes you longer then the required 8 hours we must inform CPC that we will be in O/Time to be paid. If we finish before we still get paid the 8 hours, because the work measurement done. Most carriers take their breaks and lunch at the end of the day.

        • It was a bait question. I have a couple of friends who are mail carriers. They finish their routes well ahead of time, almost every single day. That to me says they are actually paid more per hour, as they get the same pay, but work less hours.

          I just wanted to contrast that against the guy who seem to think that they only work when it is 40 bellow, and a blizzard.

          • Sure we can get off early if we take no breaks and haul outside.  As I said when your man enough to come party with me and my route you let me know and we can start your training come winter time.

          • It should be easy for you since Calgary has the best winters rofl.  Your so wrong it makes me laugh.  Thanks for that.

          • Again, I have buddies who have routes. They finish in 4 hours a lot of days – how long are you given for lunch and coffee?

            I worked for years on the rigs, and for one of the soft drink giants as a delivery driver. Trust me when I tell you I can handle delivering the mail.

            It is cute how all of you folks are here telling us how hard the job is, how long the winters are, and how you are not paid enough. Yet not one of you are fishing for other work. Why is that? It reveals the lie of your comments.

          • Please. Research the winters of Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Banff, Fort McMurray, Grand Prairie, Lloydminster, Red Deer, and Medicine Hat. You will find that, on average, Calgary beats all of them except probably Medicine Hat (not sure, never experienced it).

            How you can expect any Albertan to agree with this belief that Calgary has these horrible winters is beyond me. Ignorance would be my only explanation. I know a lot of people who have moved to Calgary, because of the nicer winters.

            Give it up, unless you want to post the facts.

  24. And let us not forget to mention the increase in parcel mail with things like Ebay and Amazon. CP has had record profits the last few years. The corporation just wants to stretch the gap. Most posties don’t want more money, they just want to maintain status quo.

    • as an RSMC, i deliver lots and lots of those parcels. RSMC’s deliver about 75% of parcels in the GTA. I want the status quo – that is, to be paid, pensioned and benefitted fairly as the urban workers are, ‘cuz right now i am f*kt by a company that is taking its profit out of my sweat. I will not remain as a second tier worker when our contract is up for renegotiation at the end of the year (the current RSMC Collective Agreement established the second tier – and I would even consider myself third tier, since I get even less remuneration for my route than the average RSMC). If CPC doesn’t give us parity with our urban brothers and sisters, I’ll leave, and all you sesumarongi who claimed they’d love to do a Postie’s job for less money and less benefits can have mine. Heck, don’t wait on me, apply now, they’re always looking for on-call relief RSMC’s because almost none last! i can’t understand why nobody stays in this cushy, overpaid job yinz think we got.

  25. Just for your information I am not employed by Canada Post, I am retired. Sorry you seem to think we stood around and talked, not so. As for the 7 weeks holiday, have you any idea how long you have to be at CP to get that? Obviously not, in fact by the sound of it you wouldn’t last long enough to get 2 weeks. As for b eing paid out for sick leave, that is not in the current contract which is still in operation until a new contract is  signed. I had accumilated over 6 weeks in sick leave and did not receive a cent for that when I retired so please once again get your facts right before spouting off.

    • CPC is not honouring the contract.Vacation,sick time cancelled.

      • Thanks LC29 for that information. I am too furious with CP to even comment on that betrayal of a contract. My local haven’t been on the rotational strike yet, but I promised when I retired that I would join them when the day came. Good Luck

  26. I have a buddy who has recently taken early retirement from Canada Post. He never made that much and lived humbly. The stories I heard from him over the years about Canada Post left me with the impression that the CPC management always regarded the union as it’s enemy and treated it’s members with contempt.

    If he was sick, he needed a note from his doctor (many doctors now charge for this “service”). He drove a beater for years as he was paying off his essential dental work, for which he had no coverage. CPC outsourced many of it’s services, restructured often, and used this as a bargaining weapon over the years against the unionized workers.

    My buddy would have loved to have quit over the years – he expressed that many times. But the kicker was the pension plan – if he left early, he would recover only his contributions over the years plus a very miserly amount of interest. It was a total rip-off.  His “gold-plated” pension plan were hand-cuffs at the time.

    So he left early, as soon as he could, as soon as he qualified – in spite of the high pay, extraordinary benefits, and 7 weeks(??!) vacation that he surely qualified for. 

    CPC has the union it deserves.  It’s a government monopoly that has been privatized, makes a small profit on a dismal and declining service, and hands out 6 figure bonuses to it’s execs.

    Some things look good on paper, but the reality sucks. This article is one of them.

  27.  

    It’s time to the media STOP
    manipulating the truth and start sharing the facts!

    · Since the implementation last year of an expensive
    yet inadequate sequencing system, Winnipeg has seen a 63% increase in injuries
    to their workers. (Funny that this stat is never mentioned).

    · Letter carriers are being forced to deliver
    the mail in an unnatural way and under dangerous conditions and circumstances.

    · Canada Post Corporation (CPC) continues to
    ignore the realities the situation and is adamant on pushing their agenda
    forward with no concern for the health and safety of their employees.

    Another
    issue that has been totally manipulated by most media is that CPC is suffering
    financially due to declining letter mail and thus declining revenues. Let’s
    look at the link below to see the truth behind the reason(s) CPC crying poor.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/interactives/canada-post/index.html

    And I
    always thought that research prior to exposing the so called ‘facts’ of a story
    was imperative to the journalism profession; so much for journalistic
    integrity.

    I
    would now like to state that as a so called ‘uneducated’ and ‘unskilled’ letter
    carrier(postie), I work very hard at my job and put myself in dangerous
    situations everyday for every penny and benefit I get. There are valid reasons
    why we posties fought hard to earn what we now have; all of which needs to be
    preserved and not dissected by CPC for the corporations benefit only.

    I
    say wake up everyone and start pointing your fingers at the real culprits and
    thief’s of our hard earned cash; specifically the Canadian Government (all
    levels), Oil and Gas Companies, Banks, Insurance and Financial institutions,
    and unmistakably large Corporations such as Canada Post.

    The
    elite in power and their greed are society’s real problems and they just keep
    getting richer and richer at all of our expense. They are the ONLY ones responsible
    for Canada declining state of affairs, not your friendly neighbourhood letter
    carrier.

     

     

    • Other than the bit about Winnipeg (of which I am not certain is true) this post is a bunch of unmitigated crap. ‘Nuff said.

      • Ignorance is bliss!

        • Which is what, I would imagine, was your state as you typed that – ignorant.

      • Your all talk modster99 and nothing more.

        • Please, stop my talk with facts. I am begging for them, yet few have been provided, and what was provided, confirmed my point of view.

          • your point of view is that the rich are entitled to what they have, but unionized workers are not. YOUR EYES ARE BROWN AND YOU ARE A TOADY!

          • both are entitled to what they earn, and what they deserve. We just have different opinions of what both of those are. You feel the employes are entitled to what they want, and if that is good for the company, or affordable, fine. If not, I really don’t think you care.

            Also, judging by your comments, I would gather that you have run out of intelligent things to say. By the way, what is a toady? You have been using that a lot. I am sure it will really hurt my feelings, once I know what it is.

  28. I think some of what the union gets is pretty sweet in comparison to workers in other sectors, but why do anti-union folks always focus on what the unionized worker is getting compared to her private sector counterpart gets instead of looking at the obscene gap between the private worker and the executives in that organization. Maybe UPS drivers and the like don’t have it as good, but how much did the upper echelon at UPS get compared to management at Canada Post.

    The MacLeans editors are just a bunch of crabs in a bucket, pulling down the worker and suggesting things like 7 weeks of vacation are outrageous. No wonder the gap between the haves and have-nots continues to widen with MacLeans carrying the water for management.

    I am not in a union and maybe I don’t support every little thing that CUPW wants, but it must make the rich guys smile to watch the middle class pull their knives out on each other while they make out like bandits. 

    • First of all, 7 week of vacation is outrageous.

      Secondly, just because a company makes money, doesn’t mean that the employees ‘deserve’ more.

      •  HELLO!!!!!!! WE DON’T GET  7 weeks holidays…………I’ve been a letter carrier for 10 years and I get 4 weeks. I’m not complaining about that or how much I make. I LOVE my job and I wish the public would stop the Canada Post bashing. We just want to keep what we have, is that so wrong? You would too If you were in our position you can’t deny it!       

        • Where I work, we start at 3 weeks, after 5 years we get 4 weeks and after 9 years we get 5. I think it’s low, but rather than look at postal workers and say  ”take it away from them!” I would try to get more from my employer — or move on to where I can get what I want. Too bad so many other knuckleheads are so eager to be cheerleaders for the boss.

          • I am a cheer leader for equality, not ‘the boss’.

          • Yeah, equally miserable and ridden hard by the corporate overlords. The CEO of the company I work for made 6 million in one day in a stock maneuver. Would you like me to get an autographed picture for you?

          • What the CEO of your company makes it irrelevant to whatever you or I make. I am 1000% sure that you did not provide the same value to the company that he did. As well, if the stock price had went in a different direction, would he have made the same?

            You people who want to compare the executives with yourselves are out to lunch. Like my dad used to say, if you think that the banks make too much money (I do), go buy their shares.

        • You are right, I would probably want the same if I worked there. The difference is that I wouldn’t feel that I ‘deserved’ it. I know that if I didn’t like what I was offered, I could quit and go elsewhere. Free to strike, but don’t expect everyone else to support you.

      • I think it’s outrageous that people like you are so eager to grab your ankles to get a job. Clean up on aisle 7, modster! Clean it real good — just how Mr. Walton likes it, were he here.

        • Did you miss the self employed part?

          • Yeah, because I am not reading all your posts, but I did notice you said you were self-employed and have no benefits and make half of what a postal worker makes (if I am reading correctly).

            No wonder you are bitter.

          • First of all, I am not bitter. I am a realist who believes in equality.

            Secondly, you did not read that right. I said I would have to make double of what a postal worker does, in order to ‘self fund’ all to the benefits that you have. (I don’t think I do, but plan to in the future) This basically highlights how you guys are out of touch with reality. That’s all.

      • please, mister “show me the facts” – why is 7 weeks of vacation outrageous? you are a duplicitous inciter of hatred, TOADY.

    • Tell it like it is brother. I feel the same way. As a self employed family business owner dealing with several levels of government, I can’t agree more. Look at the civil service management. A city manager was hired here in Halifax who makes more than the chairman of the US Treasury! Workers well they get the shaft. And don’t get me started on the management of NS health. It is a wonder there are any hospitals open. Nurses are getting shafted left and right by the province here. Bit it is ok because wages are low the jobs suck so the public can target the
      “greedy unions” I’m really angry because our children have to clean up this mess!

  29. the article is wrong, I’m a letter carrier with 10 years in and I get 4 weeks holidays. In 4 more years I’ll get another week, so that makes it 5, and then 7 years from that I’ll get another week. It’s not like we are just given 7 weeks right from the start.

    • But you start with 3, and can get 7. Most (all?) others working in Canada can never achieve that.

  30. It is amazing to me that being a postal worker means that you have so many benefits and perks.  There are so many people out there looking for work, and in many cases, minimum wage jobs. The people who have the best paid jobs (for what you do) are not happy and are on strike, causing the rest of us to inconvienced.  I have a truck and the time.  Sign me up to read envelopes and place them in mailboxes!!  I need the work and the income.

    • another fool equating simple with easy. as i’ve said before, the job is not as simple as all you “sign me up” types think, and painfully far from easy. 
      if you are a parent, you know things that NO non-parent knows… well, i’m not claiming any similarity between parenting and postal work… but what will it take for all you idiots to accept that maybe you don’t understand nearly as much about the job as you think? 
      I learned the hard way, by doing the job. I get it, ’cause i live it… and you just don’t. 

      please, stop assuming it’s such a cakewalk. YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, and it is so frustrating to be on the receiving end of unrelenting disdain and criticism from small minded ignoramuses such as you are demonstrating yourselves to be. 

      I have invoked Martin Niemoller and been sneered at; I have tried to get your attention by saying GO AHEAD AND LYNCH US NIGGERS! You are truly little more than a hateful mob out for blood. Canada deserves better from its people – you FAIL.

  31. Regarding the $3.2 billion solvency deficit in the pension plan.  There was no actual Canada Post Pension Plan until 11 years ago.  Up until then, the pension funds were paid into and collected from the Treasury Board pension plan.  Exactly 50/50 employee/employer contributions. Then some bright lights in Canada Post management thought it would be a great thing to have access to the multi-billion dollar kitty, to play the market, as back then, funds had been growing due to high market returns. Many pension plans were even able to take contribution holidays due to investment growth. So, out of thin air, the Canada Post Pension was born, a scheme with an unhappy ending, for workers in terms of future risk, and management, in terms of funding needs varying year by year. Its ended up badly, now the employer’s share has risen to over 62%.

    Too bad the workers had no say in its birth.  It would have been one form of abortion I would have supported.  

    Given Canada Post’s annual revenues,thin profit margins, and massive employment numbers, it cannot effectively operate such a leveraged portfolio as a defined benefit pension plan, an indexed one to boot. The pension fund, and obligation, is twice as big as CPC’s revenues, that is literally the tail wagging the dog. It was foolhardy notion. It was not a problem for the government before to fund the pension plan, as it has no real risk, its revenues are far more elastic.

    • It is sad, but partly true. Pension plans (think CPC) typically don’t do well, unless they are funded properly, and invested. Otherwise, it is just a ponzi scheme (think CPC)

  32. WOW!  Although this is an OPINION column many of the statements in this article are completely untrue.  I would have thought a reputable magazine would do its research.  To correct one statment starting employees recieve 3 weeks holidays and work up from that every 7 years.  This is only after being a causal employee with no holidays for any number of years.  Instead of wasting my time making corrections on behalf of the editor, I will be cancelling my subscription and informing those of the correct information and issues that are relevant.  Maybe its time to send a message to reporters!
      

  33. Modster99
     To help everyone,maybe you could compare “your “yearly wage,holiday’s,sick leave,benefit’s,pension, and working condition’s against the Postal employee’s.
    As for your article, you are getting all the fact’s correct( at least 50 %). Lettermail is down 17 %.  You will notice the capital L in Lettermail ! Please refer to the Canada Post website for the definition of Lettermail. Actual lettermail  ( yes that is a small L )has gone up by at least 100 % probably more.
    Before you do another article please get all the fact’s, not just the one’s that might sell magazines.

    • @gillmeister:disqus  – I am self employed, and I would rather not divulge my income. I can tell you, though, that I get no benefits, no vacation, no pension, and if I don’t preform, I don’t get paid. Would you like to sign up for that?

      Basically, I would probably have to earn twice (I don’t) what you do to be able to buy the ‘extras’ that you take for granted, and seem entitled to.

      • Maybe you should go back to school. You’re getting rode hard, kiddo.

        • Actually, I was going to suggest that you go back to school, if you don’t like the offer that CP gives you. That way you could find another job.

          I am not getting rode hard (whatever that means), but I take nothing for granted, and I live in the real world.

          • Not in the union. Like my job quite a lot. Booked some vacation time today actually. Going to be pretty sweet. Might get a massage later this week — which will be covered of course. I don’t need a union because I have multiple degrees and I put them to use. My wife does too. Now, please, stop calling the house; I don’t want any magazine subscriptions!

          • You have been all over the map, so I guess a stop at irrelevance was to be expected.

            By the way, my wife doesn’t have to work.

  34. The case for “Narinda” seems incorrect; it would take 26.8 years continous employment with no illnesses to accumulate that much sick leave, and as previous commenters have pointed out the banked sick leave can only be used when you are ill on a scheduled work day – - it has no value otherwise.  Given the suggested buy-out it seems that what is meant is 402 hours.  Additionally it is entirely untrue to state that the Corporation intends only to eliminate banked sick leave, they actually propose replacing sick leave with a short-term disability plan that seems expressly designed to encourage workers to come into work when they are ill; what is offered are 7 Personal Days per year (which cannot be banked) and than when those are exhausted; short-term disability at 70% pay after an unpaid waiting period of one week.  Full disclosure here, I am a postal worker; but I do agree that our pay and benefits are very good.  However I am very unhappy with losing my sick leave; also the proposed starting wage for new hires (which doesn’t affect me) would be 20% lower which I consider to be too much of a cut.  It means that the starting wage for a postal worker would be, approximately, the same as the starting wage for a government clerk.  I have worked in temporary positions as a federal government clerk, and I have worked as a postal clerk and as a letter carrier, and the latter positions are much more difficult.  Most (not all) public service clerks work weekdays in climate-controlled offices in ergonomically-designed work stations, while postal clerks break their backs (sometimes metaphorically and sometimes literally) sorting mail in noisy, dirty plants that are alternately hot and cold during days, evenings, nights and weekends; while letter carriers have it even worse — loaded up like pack mules hauling mail through every sort of nasty weather.  If anyone within a public service clerical position disagrees with my assessment, I would be overjoyed to change places with them.

    • Yes, stevenjbc but you have to look at the fact that some nurses with 4 years of university are making what a starting postal clerk is making and then ask yourself is that pay equity.  The nurses job is also back breaking – transferring immobile patients.  The job is also wrought with responsiblility and requires a very high skill set, which cannot be said of the starting postal worker.  When you compare what the marketplace is paying for other professions you see that maybe the cut in pay is’t so unreasonable.

      • Since when did 4 years university guarantee you a certain income?  Countless people without university degrees have made great impacts on this planet…and countless more with degrees haven’t.   Four years of specialized training leaves you smarter than the average Joe in only one small specific field.  There is a lot more to life than your little area of expertise. 

        • jimbro, the point of my comment is that nurses save lives for that $24.00 per hour…so although it may be a “small specific field” in your mind, it is certainly not an insignificant one nor an unskilled one.  Furthermore, my “little area of expertise” might come in handy for you or one of your loves ones.  Remember that, when you show up at the ER.

          • And he will definitely be at the ER because he doesn’t get health care at his job. 

          • Even if he does get healthcare and shows up at the doctors office, he’ll be seeing “one of us”.

        • What a silly comment.

      • Ever check to see what a top tier RN makes?  My cousin is one you might want to ask what a RN’s top tier is.  Your post is like the media article half-truths.

        • No half truths, I told you what a starting nurse makes.  Now you wanted to know what an RN makes at the top wage.  That depends on the province you live in.  BC pays the best.  I live in Alberta – we are second best paid.  Our top wage, reached after the accumulation of 9 years of fulltime work hours is $42.85/hr.
          Quebec nurses are the worse paid.  There top wage is $31.89/hr.  Newfoundland is paying $38.00 as of 2012, everyone else is below that.  PEI is $33.00.
          What is your top pay?

  35. In this article and the most of the comments posted, it comes across as pitting worker against worker.  Postal workers are well paid and enjoy good benefits compared to most of the workforce.  That is true.  But, is that a bad thing?  

    When it comes to remuneration, lets compare postal worker to postal worker.  Or as usually said, “apples to apples”.  The closest comparison is right across the border, our friends to the south.  Similar nature of mail, working conditions and weather, at least the northern states.  I presume if Macleans was to contrast its salary rates with others, it may well look across the border to see what Time or Newsweek pay their staff too.  

    Pay rates for postal work compare closely in the U.S.A.  USPS Postal clerks make roughly $25 per hour, actually a bit less as this rate includes the effect of higher paid mechanics in that wage mix.  Mail handlers make $24, and letter carriers $25.72, somewhat ahead of Canadian letter carriers.  And, U.S. rural carriers come out ahead by a large margin compared to our “RSMC” category at $24.74 per hour.  And, in Canada, our postal employees in essence pay more of their benefits as our health insurance is socialized, so Canadian workers pay higher income tax rates, whereas the U.S. Postal Service bears a higher health insurance cost per hour than Canada Post. 

    See   http://courierexpressandpostal.blogspot.com/2011/03/compensation-comparison-chart.html

    When it comes to other benefits, such as sick days and vacation, Canada Post workers come out a bit ahead.  At 15 years service, a U.S. postie gets five weeks and a day of vacation time, similar to the Canadian counterpart, but its frozen at that point  in the U.S., no sixth or seventh week.  Sick days are similar, 13 in the U.S. and 15 in Canada.
      
    See http://www.postalemployeenetwork.com/usps-benefits-info.htm

  36. The media is biased!  Clearly, the people reporting any mainstream news are simply pawns  The “world elite” use their largest asset (media) to further their agenda. Oh, you don’t think so.  So, billionaires would not make use of their biggest asset to further their assets?  I think you know that answer.   The sad thing is that there are still some people who believe what they hear on the news.  They stage everything from telling you what to fear next…to telling stories as to why all the countries the United States invades, happen to also have oil.  The biggest terrorists in the world today wear suits and ties.  If you take everything down to it’s base nature…the world makes a lot of sense.  It is currently being completely run by greed!  Stop listening to the mainstream media…they are the mainstream of brainwashing in the world today.  Think for yourself.  Demand that people present a background of facts behind their claims.  Anyone can make up a story…as is clearly demonstrated here.  Obviously Zero research…but 100% ready to spew out to the waiting masses…of confusion. 

    • I have been asking for the ‘truth’ and facts that disprove this story, and very few have been provided. All I see are posts like this one saying how wrong the story is, how we are all ‘pawns’, etc.

      If you have any facts that disprove what is in this article, please provide, with a link. If not, keep the tinfoil on your head and stay downstairs.

      • The lies are everywhere in the media…it might just be easier for you to tell me some of the truths the media has reported on?  Fukashima?  Oh, right they missed those 3 pesky little nuclear meltdowns…it happens.  H1N1…killed less than the common flus…but it sure sold a lot of vaccine and made people rich.  The war on terrorism…the biggest terrorists in thew world wear suits and live in the United States. 

        • Thanks. That clears up all the issues regarding the postal strike. . . Oh wait . . .

          • It’s all the same issue.  We have a media that is used to give credibility to lies.  Canada Post is using the same technique.  Publish some person’s biased lies and it’s now the truth.  It used to be that a story had to have some verification before it was written.  Now a story appears, in what used to be a reputable source, and it has little or no truth in it whatsoever.  That, my friend, is called an agenda.  If a Union owned a national paper it would be accused of that every time!  But, when a Giant Corporation owns the media, it apparently is still used for good ole fashioned, accurate reporting.  That is a joke and you know it.  If you don’t know that, then it’s time to wake up to this fact. Newspapers are intentionally misreporting the news…as per their owners instructions. In the case of Canada Post, I heard today that CUPW wouldn’t end their strikes so Canada Post responded by shortening employees work week. Really? That’s a blatant lie! CUPW compromised by stating they would end all strike activity if Canada Post would re-instate the old contract until a new one could be reached. It’s like saying I punched the guy in the head because he instigated the whole thing when he punched me back.

          • @jimbro:disqus First of all, this is an opinion piece, so yes, the writers opinion shows through.
            Secondly, there is bias in almost all reporting, because of the reporters themselves. We have to have the brains to see through that. While some, if not all, of the major publications have an editorial slant, they mostly try to some out with the nuts and bolts of a story one way or another. To say that they all slant only one way is a joke.
            A union owning a  paper and reporting on a strike that it’s workers are having, and a private company owning a paper, and reporting on a strike that it has no interest in is totally different. To compare the two is a joke. Please prove the ‘agenda’ or shut it.
            As far as your comments about what is going on with the strike, please provide links to where this is was published. If you don’t, I will have to assume that this is just talk among the CUPW’s, and give it no weight whatsoever.

            Again, I have seem countless posts saying that the story is full of it, yet not one that breaks it down, point by point, and proves it wrong. Until that time, I remain convinced that the CUPW is striking for money (and benefits), and could care less about Canadians, and the health of CP.

  37. I have a degree too. But, let me tell you…your degree won’t help you in minus 40 Degrees!  Well it might…you may just have enough hot air claiming  your brilliance to buy you some time until the rescue dogs arrive.

    • You are bang on, that article defines the real substantive issue today in our society, from an economic perspective.  Its so hypocritical how top end execs all want to take away defined benefit pensions for the workforce, but keep it for themselves.  

      The media, especially in the U.S., loves to paint unions as the obsolete bad guy, but shies away from criticizing the blatant excesses of the executive group.  At one time, the executive compensation was a minor fragment of the corporate spending, but no more.  And, their  usually large stock options dilute the value of the shareholders value too.     Could it be that the media is bought and paid for by the economic elite?

      • “The media, especially in the U.S., loves to paint unions as the obsolete bad guy, but shies away from criticizing the blatant excesses of the executive group”.

        They don’t really shy away from it.  They are owned by billionaires and therefore it would be stupid to use their own asset against themselves.  People must get this fact into their heads…THE MEDIA IS NOT THERE TO REPORT THE TRUTH ANYMORE.  They have a financial and political agenda.  That agenda is the crushing of the middle-class!  The billionaires want to completely own everything and everyone.  While corporations are their assets, they think of decent wages as a liability that needs to be fixed.   That is what most of immigration is about.  They bring in people with “low-to-no” expectations to lower the bar for the rest of us.  There will always be someone who is willing to work longer for less money…that is human nature…we are survivalists by birth.  They count on that.

        • Please read my reply to @Older_postie:disqus  above. Same for your post.

      • yeah, you are right. I haven’t ever seen a story about ‘executive pay’ in the news. . . . Oh, wait, I have seen tonnes. . .

        Do you read the news, or do you assume?

  38. It is very simple. There are basically two groups who use Canada Post. Bulk mail, and business mail.

    Business mail will no longer be there. Everyone I know is setting up electronic transfer systems. This job action has been the impetus to spend the time and money required.

    The longer the strike, the fewer customers.

    • They will figure this out too late, and it will take a few years to be fully felt. I actually feel sorry for them, but not for the reasons that they would prefer.

  39. All these so called “University Degree People” need to go back to school and learn respect for their fellow human being.   A university education isn’t a ticket to throw in another face.  If you believe you’re smarter and better than everyone else..you truly know nothing.  Here are a few people  you are obviously brighter than:  Dave Thomas (Started Wendys Restaurant); George Bernard Shaw; George Eastman (creator of Kodak); Peter Jenning (Professional Broadcaster); Henry Ford (Started Ford Motor Company); J.D Rockefeller (First American Billionaire); Steven Spielberg…etc, etc, etc.  Obviously I could go on-and-on…but I think you get the point.  There is nothing wrong with education…truly it’s a glorious thing…but it’s not for everyone, and it’s not even available to everyone.  Should we punish a teen for the remainder of their life just because his/her parent couldn’t afford to send them to university?   Every human deserved dignity and respect…the truth is — there is not one of us that is greater or less than another — it is only our limited perspective that makes it seem that way.   Everyone has a gift, and I don’t believe God puts one above the other.

    • No one would dispute that there are many brillant people who never got a university education…you forgot Bill Gates but these people you mentioned for the most part are all entrepeneurs and took a risk to start a business venture.  I’ll bet most of them never ever took more than 2 weeks vacation per year…they worked very hard and had nothing handed to them….
      Surely you would agree that some jobs require some education and hands on training…do you want a doctor who never went to medical school?  An accountant who never went to business school?  A lawyer who doesn’t know the law?  Specialties require specialized education.  Education requires financial investment and investment of time and effort.  It often also requires that an individual show a certain level of intelligence and aptitude for the subject. 
      I would not suggest that one person is better than another person because they have gone to university but I would say that the job a doctor does is more important and difficult than the job a lawyer does because people live or die depending on his/her knowledge and skills.  It is an awesome amount of responsibility.   I think the same thing about nurses who go to school for 4 years and then use that knowledge and those skills to keep people alive.  They are constantly updating their skills at their own cost and pay upwards of $400.00/yr to a professional association that polices them on behalf of the public. 
      Knowing what the postal employees are making vs. the nurses, it just doesn’t seem equitable given the preparation, the skill set, the level of knowledge, the ongoing competency required and the working conditions for nurses.

  40.  Since according to you Calgary has some of the best weather in Canada lol.  I’ve lived East and West and you have no idea what your talking about or purposely bait which you can see a mile away.  When you have something actually interesting to say let me know.

    • Please read the whole post before you reply. I said almost the best winters in Alberta. Everyone know that Vancouver has the best weather in Canada.

      I just won’t let you lead people to think that Calgary is the coldest place on earth. Much colder winters all over Alberta alone.

      When you have something factual to say, please post then. If not, please don’t post.

  41. Why do the editors want to drag public sector workers down to the poor position of private sector workers? Why not work instead to improve the position of private sector workers?

    Why do the editors here lack imagnination and generaosity? Why won’t they stand of for working people?

  42. I don’t think the editors want to drag down public sector workers. They just want to show the postal employees that they may not have much support in a world where people doing far more difficult jobs are not as well compensated as they are. In the real world, supply and demand decides what people are “worth”. You cannot expect the private sector to pay more than the market with bear. You have only to look at the automotive industry to realize that you cannot pay employees a salary & benefits that result in cars that cost more than consumers are willing to pay. It will not work.

  43. I have seen a lot of common themes here from the ‘pro’ CUPW side. They all claim that it isn’t about the money, that they are not over paid (and if they are, everyone should be), that they are helping the rest of us to reach higher, that they work very hard (some even allude that the rest of us don’t, and couldn’t possibly handle their job), and deserve what they get (and more,) that the article by Macleans contains nothing but errors, and that anyone who disagrees with them is ignorant, or under the spell of ‘the capitalistic pigs’.

    I have asked a lot of them to explain their opinions, and provide facts. Only a few gave me a link to the union website. It had nothing there that contradicted anything in the article. (I will admit that the wording on the 7 week holidays can lead people to think that it is granted at hire – it isn’t – but it is available to everyone at hire, as long as they put in the years). Almost everyone ignores my cry for facts, and rants on with their ‘feelings’ or ‘stories’ meant to sway opinion. This must be the way unions influence people. They don’t use facts, they use emotions. I see it in the posts. These people cannot understand why we don’t support them. This is because they are not looking at it from a logical point of view. They think that if we could all ‘feel’ the same, we would all agree. They are truely out of touch with reality.

    On the whole, after two days of people posting, I would have to say that the CUPW’s supporters inability to make a factual, believable argument for their side leaves me with the belief that they don’t have one.

    Many of them claim that ‘the media’ is out to get them (forgot to mention that as a reoccurring theme), but the fact is that the union is using the media as well. If the union had the facts on their side, they would be easy for anyone to find.

    • Save a little of your anger for teachers, modster. They get 12 weeks of vacation right out of the gate. They get a defined benefit pension plan and some of the sweetest health benefits you will ever see — and it costs next to nothing out of your take home pay.

      • You forgot that they take 4 years of university, of which they have to pay a lot. Also, they are not paid for every minute that they work (or the ones that they don’t work). They are paid salary, and work a lot of nights and weekends.

        Please don’t go trashing teachers, or even comparing CUPW’s to them. I think you will find you don’t have a lot of support for that.

        • But they are in a union and sometimes they work to rule. Their work days are so short they have lots of time to do other things they enjoy. Once they have tenure, they have a job for life. TWELVE weeks vacation! How dare they!

          • First off, I think you are confusing teachers with professors. Either way, teachers are hard to fire.

            Please, feel free to keep commenting on how great teachers have it. Short work days, twelve weeks vacation, etc. Soon I won’t be the only one blasting your comments to bits.

            As far as the teachers union itself, that is probably the biggest obstacle to education reform (that is needed) in this country. The teachers themselves are great, but some of the rules need to be fixed.

            You do know, by the way, that the teachers have to plan, train, and keep educating themselves, don’t you. The class time is just a part of it.

          • No, modster, once you have a B contract or tenure (it goes by different names in different provinces), you pretty much have to molest a kid or do something equally heinous to lose your job. I’ve known lots of teachers who used sick days for the entire last year of their careers. You can also do fun things like take 80% of your salary for four years and then take the fifth year off. Paid sabbatical time you can use to get your masters and come back with a 15% or more pay rise. Sweet deal. Sometimes I think I should have stuck with it, but the private sector beckoned.

          • Where I am, everything is governed by the collective bargaining agreement, and once full time, seniority rules. Tenure is not a term that they use. From what you have written, there are some issues that need to be addressed with teachers as well. Again, it isn’t the individual teacher, but the deals the unions have ‘earned’ for them for many years. Have you come around to help me start making my arguments? :)

            By the way, I saw a fellow post this on the CBC comment blog, regarding the upcoming Air Canada strike:

            “I
            am not mad at the union, they gave up a lot years ago to keep AC going.
            My brother in law left AC because he was making under 40k as a
            co-pilot with AC Jazz. I know how these people are paid, including
            customer service. Everyone making comments that they are paid too much,
            this isn’t Canada Post folks, they are not making what you think.”It made me laugh.

        • Also, they usually have 5 years of university. Some get their masters and then get a huge pay increase as well. It’s ridiculous!

          • I would imagine that you are joking, but if you aren’t, I would then have to guess that it stems from the belief that going to school shouldn’t help a person earn more. I saw someone else (supporting your views) post something similar a few days ago.

            I don’t think a lot of teachers get their masters, so I will assume that you are confusing professors and teachers again.

            Amazing how much you post, how much time you have, and yet you have offered no facts to back up the union’s side in the current strike. Why is that?

          • Sigh. Again, I am not back CUPW’s demands. Haven’t reviewed them and I don’t really care to. I expect some of them are outrageous. My point is I find it sad that people in McJobs reserve their anger for workers who have it better than them rather than questioning windfalls profits and tax breaks that go to the richest. My household income is quite comfortable and I don’t need to carry a sign outside company headquarters, but the stats show a declining standard of living for the working class and an ever-widening gap between the richest and the poorest. 

            At least some government workers have it good: the MPs.

          • Are you saying I have a Mcjob? lol

            I have no anger for anyone in regards to this strike. I also expect that the workers will do quite well, and still be over paid. I dislike the fact that people post lies as truth, try to use emotion to sway people’s opinion, and basically name call anyone who disagrees with them. I will ‘call out’ lies anytime I see them.

            Seeing as how I am self employed, you can assume that I am not against a tax system that allows deductions. I don’t carry a company sign anywhere, and my household income has grown by about 40% every years since I started. I expect it to continue as well, but I took risks to get here.

            Far as I can see, all gov’t employees have it good. MP’s and Senators just have it best.

            The stats probably do show that, but it takes some analysis to figure out why. A lot of people place blame at the feet of gov’t spending. Some place a bit of it at the feet of organized labor.

    • Mail service could be disrupted as Canadian postal workers threaten to walk off the job. Postal workers last went on strike in 1997, when they were legislated back to work. But in the online age, what impact would a mail strike have? Here’s a look at Canada Post by the numbers. CBC News – Infographic – Canada Postwww.cbc.ca

      • bad link.

    • i lack facts? read the United Nations University pages for facts about global economic disparity. check out the Dr. Housing Bubble blog. oh gosh, i didn’t give actual links… are you up to finding them yourself?
      i never said anything to suggest that if posties are overpaid, everyone should be. You are one of many reiterating they are overpaid, which we deny. The proof of overpayment that has been offered is ONLY complaints about others making less. Far from suggesting that others should be overpaid too, i am suggesting that those paid less may well be underpaid, and rather than dragging posties down to minimize the relative gap, they – and you – should be attacking the real beneficiaries and causes of economic disparity, and/or acting to raise wages for those who are underpaid. you have not successfully or accurately refuted any of my points, just chosen to misinterpret or overlook them. Please stop trying to assume the mantle of innocence and reason, Toady.

  44. nonsense. this article must have been written after talking to one of the top management official. admit it. mr. writer.
     how can u all people get misled with 1 person that writes the article. this shows how the media controls our point of view. any time there is a dispute no matter where, it makes sense to hear out both the sides, not just 1 side and write an article which influences/ misleds the whole country.
    SHAME ON U MACLEANS. see what u did, because of u ( 1 person ) that wrote this nonsense, it made me put a bad name on macleans.

     Anyway, the truth:
    1) canada post has never been a burden on taxpayer, it in fact gives millions/billions over the last 15 years in dividends to government.
    2) the 19$/hr is a new hire rate. but the company has not hired full time for a longest time. in other words tell me who can survive 15-20 hrs a week with 19$/hr.

  45. All I can say is, I worked at Canada Post as a letter carrier for 12 years and the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.  When you become part of a union who’s letter head says “The Struggle Continues” you soon realize the job isn’t all that it is cracked up to be.  I hated the union and I hated the management at Canada Post.  The business relationship between the two is based more on a 1950′s management style than anything even close to the 21st century.

    When you are warned during the first couple days of training by a senior letter carrier to always make sure you get properly paid for your earned overtime as per the contract and than a few weeks later you witness your boss trying to sneak your punch card through to payroll with your overtime recorded on it at a rate less than what you are entitled too in the contract, all loyalty to the corporation goes out the window real quick.  Sad, very sad, when you start out as a young, new employee, excited about a new job, loyal to the corporation, trusting your government and within weeks the harshness of the real world turns an innocent youth into “one of them”.  12 years later I quit.  I know some of the allergies I have that I didn’t have when I was younger – among various other back problems, etc. – are more than likely caused by some sort of nerve damage from lugging mail on my back all that time.

    Based on the weather, it was a good job for 4 months/year, an ok job for 4 months/year and it sucked for 4 months/year.  Then when the union and management conflict interfered with the workers doing their jobs to satisfy the customers, the ok months and good months became much less.  All any Canada Post employee really wants is to be left alone by the union and the management, so they can satisfy the customers by getting the job done.  Worst thing that ever happened to the letter carriers was the government fored amalgamation of the LCUC & CUPW.  End of story.

    The grass isn’t as green at Canada Post as what those on the other side of the fence think.  The bottom line, I quit.  C’est la vie.

  46. I am sooooo sick of hearing about over paid-under worked civil servants. Really, take a hard look at your friends and family members who work in the private sector. I can no longer afford to subsidize civil servants. I am working non-stop just to break even without the perks of sick days and with only 3 weeks of vacation and little to no pension. I just CAN’T support their sorry, whining, yahoos any longer.  

  47. I would like to correct the sentence about annual leave. A full time employee with less than 7 years of continuous service is entitled to 3 weeks paid vacation, not 7 weeks as you quote in the article. In order to enjoy 7 weeks of paid annual leave, a full time employee at Canada Post would have to have 28 or more years of continuous service.

  48. If we could just draw back from the finger pointing and accusations for a moment, I would like to point out that Canadians have a real problem that is far less to do with how much CUPW people are paid and far more to do with whether or not we will even have a mail system. If we do, it is going to have to take a much different form than it has before.

    Mail traffic has dropped to a point where it is already inordinately expensive to deliver a piece of mail, no matter what the union member perks and pay may be. It may not be possible any more to run a profitable Canada Post, especially when you consider the cost of delivering to remote locations as Canada Post is obligated to do.

    To make things worse, the kind of mail that still has to travel by post is also the most critical to our economy. Orders going to companies, invoices going to customers, and cheques coming back again are among these essential bits of paper. Companies have already started opting for electronic ordering and invoicing but cheques are hard to eliminate because the banks charge many times more for a money transfer than it costs to mail a letter.

    I operate a business that sells primarily to US customers. Mailed orders and mailed cheques were taking up to 3 weeks to reach my door in Toronto — possibly because CUPW workers were already expressing their displeasure but that is only a rumoured reasons.

    I have since moved my business to Fort Erie and I now keep a US receiving box in Buffalo. It now takes 2 days for a cheque to reach me at the Buffalo box. I also send outbound mail from Buffalo. Cutting delivery time from 3 weeks to 2 days has been an enormous benefit to my business. The change has also reduced my use of Canadian mail services so much that I have returned my postage meter to Pitney Bowes and will not likely need one ever again.

    To sum this up, I believe the real challenge for Canada Post, CUPW and Canadians at large is to figure out some way for Canada to continue having a postal service. Solve that problem or else EVERYBODY is out of a job.

  49. Not only is this factually inaccurate regarding contract issues, it is completely out of touch with what postal workers do. Macleans would do well to filter their opinion pieces a little better. After your article on UBB and now this, I’m not even giving you guys a 3rd chance. You just lost a reader.

  50. I used to work for the post office, you don’t get a pay-out for your banked sick days. Once a Postal worker reaches retirement age, it’s use them or lose them. A woman I knew was diagnosed with cancer after a long career at the post office, luckily she had spent 15-odd years banking sick days and they came in handy.

  51. I agree totally with this editorial. The letter carriers are very over-compensated for what they do. It takes no skill to put letters into a mailbox. No one in the private sector gets 7 weeks off for holidays a year. Maybe the CEO’s but no one else. When someone leaves their place of employment all vacation and sick leave benefits have to be paid out. They use a formula, but they are paid out. What the union seems to be totally missing is that times are changing and the postal service is dwindling. As a result there is less money to go around. Thus raises, like in every other industry are very minimal if at all. While the union brass sit in their very cushy offices, making three figure incomes they are going to end up costing the carriers their jobs because of thier stupidity.

    • WE AREN”T JUST GIVEN 7 WEEKS TO START!!!!!!!!!! WHY CAN’T PEOPLE GET OVER IT!!!! GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT LADY! WE START WITH 3 WEEKS HOLIDAYS AFTER YOU PUT IN 28 YEARS THEN YOU GET YOUR 7 WEEKS!!
      DO YOU BELIEVE EVERYTHING YO READ? DO YOU PERSONALLY KNOW A POSTAL WORKER?

    • It takes no skill to put letters into a mailbox (Letter Carrier);
      It takes no skill to put pills into a bottle (Pharmacist);
      It takes no skill to put nails into a board (Carpenter);
      It takes no skill to put water into a burning building (Fireman);
      It takes no skill to assume there is no more to life than meets the eye (many of you);
      It takes no skill to equate simple with easy (many of you)
      It takes no skill to write “three figure income” when you probably mean six (Cindy Husband)
      It takes almost no skill to scapegoat Postal Workers:
      1) because it seems they’ve got it better than you;
      2) because you are unaware how profitable Canada Post Corp is;
      3) because you accept received wisdom of the ‘current economic reality’ as a justification; 
      4) because you don’t realize how much money is being sucked into the financial sector with no productive return;
      5) because you are either unsure of, or feel powerless to affect, the causes of global economic disparity; 
      6) because, dammit, if YOU had to swallow the pill then they should too;
      7) because it’s easy to forget – especially if you feel you don’t have one – that good jobs are a good thing, and necessary in large numbers to maintain the levels of consumption required to end the global recession.
      So… it takes how much skill to write a one-sided editorial?
      Not much… MacLeans lowered itself to using the Toronto Sun’s formula for rabble-rousing: find an easy target, scornfully ascribe a sense of entitlement, cherry-pick a few outrageous facts while eschewing context, and frame it all with received wisdom… add ignorant masses, and they’ll do the stirring themselves! The MacLeans cheapshot isn’t even signed. 

      CPC tried to provoke the union into a full walkout in hopes that public opinion would turn against the Posties. When that failed, and the union agreed to Labour Minister Lisa Raitt’s request to stop the rolling strikes, CPC would not back down from imposing service cuts. In fact, they didn’t even run their own tactic for more than the one day – by Wednesday morning, with no word of warning to the public or the workers, they locked the urban workers out… and right on cue, the government pops up to announce imminent back-to-work legislation. CPC’s objective is to forcefeed the union a gutted agreement that establishes a two tiered workforce going forward; the long term expectation is that it will render the union ineffectual.
      it takes skill – and a willing government, hardly at arm’s length from its own corporation – to undermine unionized workers. That, and a complacent populace. The situation should demand closer scrutiny, but instead of outcry it seems the public is cheering for the hand holding the knife.
      It takes no skill to remain ignorant of the implications for the middle and working class if you allow CUPW to be steamrollered. Is it too much to ask that you inform yourselves before so cavalierly kicking us to the curb? Here’s an article by the Toronto Star’s Heather Mallick: 

      http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/1004315–mallick-canada-post-workers-future-is-ours-too

      It takes no skill to click a link.
      It takes no skill to be human; it takes compassion.

  52. The part it appears everybody,including CPC, is missing is the incredible physical demands of the job.The injuries that a letter carrier suffer are most often for life. That is why CUPW members need the benefits that we are fighting for. Carriers are quite often walking wounded.  Many retire with a permanent injury. Hips,knees,ankles,shoulders and backs.Some people have multiple injuries. Letter Carriers throw a bag of heavy mail over their shoulder. Walk 15km up and down stairs and hills, for most 1/2 the year in winter weather, everyday for 35 years. All for a company that has for 16 years made a profit. Paid hundreds of millions to the government in taxes and dividends. All on a letter carriers back. Literally! The facts are that alot of this dispute is about Health and Safety, and instead of rollbacks, investing some of the giant profits back into the corporation and it’s employees. And for the record…as an employee…I can tell you mail volumes ARE NOT DOWN! Not in the past few weeks…or even in the past 20 years I have worked there. Don’t believe everything you hear.

  53. I am old enough to remember the demise of the ice man, the bread man and the milk man. I hope to live long enough to happily witness the demise of Canada Post and its workers. Take time during this strike to go electronic with those who provide your services.

    • Right on! The fewer public sector jobs with good pay and benefits for Canadians, the better!!!  There are plenty of fast-food restaurants out there looking to hire people for minimum wage, but are forced to compete with these cushy jobs.

  54. I am a chiropractor, and I treat many private sector, public sector and unionized patients of both categories.  Without question, the laziest of the bunch are the unionized.  They are “always” sick and never seem to get better.  I just can’t imagine why…Don’t get me wrong, I am not saying all unionized employees are lazy, but without question I believe unionization breeds laziness and a sense of entitlement that as an employer and self employed individual I find truly appalling.  The time and need for unions has long since past.  All they do now is hold employers and consumers hostage for unreasonable and unaffordable benefits and wage demands.  Wake up unions…the rest of us hate you and don’t support you!

  55. The only workers who deserve good pay and decent benefits are corporate CEOs. They are the true backbone of any company and are the least expendable. I believe Canadians further down the corporate ladder should only be paid minimum wage (which is currently too high) and be content with that. If they don’t like it, send their jobs overseas where people are willing to work for pennies an hour, and are grateful because they know that’s the most they can make in the job market. In fact, most Canadians should only be paid pennies an hour. While this may seem like an impossible goal in the public sector, I do think this is achievable in the private sector. Canadians need to learn to be grateful to their corporate employers and realize that they are completely replaceable. If you’re upset because you feel your wages and benefits are insufficient, there are people who will be happy to have your job. And for pennies less an hour.

  56. I agree with this editorial. I am sure Lester Pearson never thought it would come to this when he provided for the unionization of the public service. Regardless of the nitty gritty , this is a job for grade eights but compensation as if they really had talents to offer.   It’s one thing to be protected, another to ask the taxpayers to lavish sick days, excessive holidays, not to mention wages more than equivalents in the private sector who pay the postal workers’ .

  57. Re Time to send a message to Canadas Postal Workers:
    You didn’t check your facts.  Writing an article in a way that distorts figures is misleading. It is the same as lying. It really is. Of course people believe you, this is after all Macleans. When a person is close to a subject and knows the actual facts, it is repugnent to read someone pretending to be a writer, journalist, columnist or expert. It is sad, I just learned that I can’t trust Macleans magazine, it is “owned” by Mr. Harper and in favour of CEO’s that get appointed and then help themselves to the profits. Where can a person go to get actual facts, and then decide themselves. This isn’t Canada anymore, in a very short time, we will look like the United States. No middle class, and CEO’s that show up to beg for money in their private jets. Hello recession, what the hell, let’s have people trying to survive on minimum wage, and 2 or 3 jobs. ”Hang the rich”.

  58. Many of those posting here seem automatically to assume that the private sector should set the standard, and therefore anyone wise enough or tough enough to fight on behalf of organized labour should be penalized in favour of workers in the private sector whose inertia, complacency and lack of the gumption necessary to organize to improve their own conditions has resulted in their comparatively poorer situations. Yes, indeed…let’s all agree we should work together to capitulate to the owners and managers, and seek the bottom rung of the pay scale ASAP. And while we’re at it, let’s scrap the minimum wage, UI, the medical plans and pensions, and the paid holidays that labour fought for and won FOR US ALL!

    Read some history, sophomores. United we prosper, divided we suffer. If you envy the posties position, remember that he got there without any help from you, Levelling the field will only mean consigning him to share your powerlessness. And when the managers no longer have the example of the public sector unions to fight against, your positions in the private sector will be even worse than they are now.

    Garry Eaton

  59. Paul Ester, you and the kind of thinking you display here are the bane of any civilized society that believes in the rights and dignity of the individual, and the right to a fair day’s pay for a day’s work. You are, in fact, an antideluvian monster, and I sincerly wish on you the kind of Fascistic hell that you have in mind for others.

    Garry Eaton

    • Um, actually I was parodying the right-wingers commenting here. Maybe too well?

      • Well, Paul, you got me. However, parody is usually careful to give itself away, just to avoid this kind of misunderstanding, and to let the enemy know he is being ridiculed. Otherwise, there is no point. Actually, I think they require no parody. They require education in how to think, instead of following the mob and the corporate toadies writing 98% of the ‘news’.
        Rather than protect their workers, the corporations are aiding and abetting the ‘globalsm’ that is at the root of the insecurity so many face today. North American workers are losing out while the corporations grow rich paying minimal wages in third world countries whose workers have no choice but to accept exploitation. If Canada Post could get workers in foreign countries to deliver the mail, they would, and tens of thousands of Canadians would be out of work.

        Garry

    • No one has a “right to a fair day’s pay for a day’s work”. Where do you find that? And where does it say someone has a right to unlimited banked sick days, up to 7 weeks vacation a year, etc etc? CP workers need to realize how good they have it and quit whining.

  60. Must support the government on this one. Public sector= gravy train in this country. Everyone knows it- who do these workers think they are fooling?

    • Justifying your viewpoint by saying ‘everyone knows it’ is a cop out and an appeal to mob mentality. Who do you think you’re fooling, Monashee 1?

      Garry

      • You’re right.  I should have said that people that  are emplyed in the private sector are very aware that their benefits aren’t as comprehensive as those that sector workers receive, that they’re lucky if they have a job when times get tough, and that the same applies to wage increases. Especially during the recession that we just experienced and now in the so-called recovery. I don’t begrudge anyone the right to earn a decent living, but public sector wages and benefits are out of line and it’s a fantasy to think that they can remain this way.

  61. Apparently Macleans needs to pay their writers better… perhaps then they would do a decent job.  This was so extremely biased and one sided and lacking in the complete facts… an editorial I suppose, not an article.

    • I think that when people comment on how an article lacks facts, they should provide some of the facts that the article lacks. Otherwise, it just looks like whining, and it doesn’t look like truth.

  62. Apart from monopolistic (or even near monopolistic) industries, unions, not alone post work, is obsolete.  If they don’t like their jobs, go work somewhere else.  If they can’t find another job, shut up and be happy you have a job.  NO ONE owes lazy union members a job, despite what they think.  Law of the jungle.  Get used to it OR see our economy completely faulter due to unions’ collective bargaining clout.  Time to end the “retirement subsidy program”?

    • I don’t even see the point of public sector/crown corp workers needing a union. Unions were meant to counterbalance management. Let’s get real…public union workers don’t need to be protected from the govt. And public unions negotiating with govt politicians is an inherent conflict of interest. Unions elect NDP, who in turn give more generous terms to unions, who…etc etc.

  63. Canada Post workers are similar to California public sector union workers. The moral of the story is that unions are the same wherever you go. They’re outdated mafias that demand “dues” from members, funnel those dues to elect sympathetic politicians (NDP or Democrats) who then in turn reward them with more benefits. That is, until the company or taxpayer is out of money. Unions have killed the goose that lays the golden egg. Countries around the world are finding out the hard way what happens when the number of recipients outnumber providers.

  64. I still remember the dark ages of the 90′s in BC when every union was striking constantly. Hospital workers, bus drivers, garbage collectors, teachers, nurses…even film projectionists. My mother who relied on bus service had to walk 30 blocks each way to work in the cold rain during the bus strike. Here’s to union workers who care for nothing other than their own benefits. More power to Harper and the Conservatives to drag Canada Post into the modern age, same as Premier Campbell and the BC Liberals did in the last decade.

  65. The disparity between “public” benefits and “private” has grown over the years. This article rather than illustrating the cause of this change in the workplace chooses to vilify Canada Post employees for having a decent benefits package, one which workers in the private sector desire. How soon we forget companies like Nortel who screwed their employees out of their pensions for profit, where is the legislation to protect this situation from repeating? Why did the government not intervene? More private companies need to be called to task to share the wealth their employees are creating for their owners and shareholders.The real disparity is the gap in wages between the CEO and their employees, it has been steadily on the rise for the past two decades, workers wages in the same period of time have remained relatively unchanged. The article above pits worker against worker, rather than divulge the real problem, rich are getting richer, workers keep getting screwed… in the private sector and the public. Workers benefits, pensions are under attack by the CEO’s and shareholders who are trying to squeeze every nickel and dime of profit out, at your expense. The government is doing little to stop the decline.

  66. I’m not one for people losing their jobs but, as far as I’m concerned, postal workers have it very good for working in a dying industry.  The job requires no education and a 17 year old could do the job. If the entire population had a computer and could work an e-mail account, postal workers would no longer be needed.  I receive little to no value from postal workers and I’m sure I’m not the only one. And the generations after me won’t need them either.  If I was a postal worker I’d be thinking about leaving my job.  There will be cuts coming soon.

  67. Well, every job has it’s advantages and disadvantages. I believe if the writer ever experienced a mailman’s day-to-day work, she/he won’t jump into the conclusion that it’s a well compensated and an over-paid job.

    Here are just a few “benefits” that this writer forgot to mention:

    1) Carrying a 30 pounds of mail and walking up steps 3-6 hours in minus 20 or when it is 30 plus. Then try it again when it’s snowing, raining, windy, or if there is black ice on the road.

    2) Have a 0-2% annual salary increase in the past 10 years. In fact, considering the inflation, it’s a negative increase.

    3) Enjoying worn out joints from your shoulders to your legs due to the repetitive work

    4) Having fun when the dogs rip pieces of your leg off or bit your fingers off, then you can happily take your sick day leave

    …..

    I suggest the writer take a month off from your office job, and work like a mailman to really understand what this job is really about. Or the writer should just simply apply for a job at Canada Post in order to get all the misleading benefits he/she has been talking about in the article. In fact, Canada post is always hiring. However, the majority of the new employees quit within a couple of years. And that’s why they are always hiring. 

    BTW, i am a wife of a mailman and i used to think like the writer until I got to know what the job is really like to work for the post office.

  68. Sometimes I really wonder about what side I should support. Is it the highly paid, highly benefited postal workers, or the rest of us who pay taxes and have so much less? Living in Victoria probably doesn’t help my decision, as our postal workers really do have it SO much easier than the rest of the country’s, and that’s the truth. I think that it is wonderful that their union is willing to stand up to such a large and powerful corporation and that workers are standing up for fair wages. But the problem is that those wages are fair in their own circles. It is true that there really are a huge number of jobs that may not be as physically demanding, but may be just and mentally and emotionally demanding, if not more, than being a postal worker. And these jobs pay half that of postal workers and have virtually no benefits or sick days. The problem is that most of those jobs will never pay as well. So the rest of us who are stuck with these menially paying overworking jobs are left to look on as those with more secure unionized jobs who not only are paid well, but are well looked after and usually kept physically fit from their jobs fight for something that we all deserve but only a few achieve. Wow, just a mess…

  69. I was told there was a lock out for postal workers in 2011 so is that still a strike, when a company does a mail count on a light summers day instead of a pre x-mass day, or hold up mail so it does’nt get counted for mail restructure, it is cool to hear of both sides, are these ever mentionned, yes surely some do abuse on both sides, I thilnk the challenge is obvious even in an independant business, there are always two sides to a story, I know with the brains behind the scenes, and encouragement to contribute to better the company, feeling like workers can be part of the solution will continue to make canada post a top contender. I do feel the story should be more factual and you should let readers make their own opinion.  The company will continue to offer top service and people will appreciate it, service quality has been suffering in many public sectors, tough times can change perspectives and value can change as well, when you start to nibble away community structures you loose the framework that holds it together, Many small communities have already lost much, let’s try to hold on to some sturcture it is the safety net we need to keep and secure stable employment jobs, or perhaps, make 6 hour days with 2 splits shifts the mandated law.
    Consistent service is good for employment and for a community.

  70. Okay so conscription into the Postal Service is a reality !? Everyone can make a choice, get retrained, return to school. Job or duties not working for you, leave and get other employment. Ah, the Salary is too good for what is expected………., if you are looking for wage to compensate lack of job satisfaction, you can double it and it will never be there. The only choice is to open your eyes and place the responsibility on yourself……….everyone else does. Health care professionals for example, do not make what the average postie makes, lets get real people !!!

  71. Are you joking? Who wrote this article? Whoever did has NO CLUE of how physical this job is. It’s not all a walk in the park. It’s very early wake ups and walking for hours up and down stairs with a heavy mail bag, sometimes weighing 40 lbs. Many many carriers have terrible arthritis after a few years on the job, many have neck and back problems and basically have no life. They get up extremely early go to work tired and do a very physical job, then they come home and just want to sleep.. and sleep they end up doing early in the night while the rest of their family is up. The letter carrier is sleeping early, having no life, and ready to wake up early the next day. To whoever wrote this article: Sitting behind a cushy desk typing away on a computer does not compare.

  72. Canada Post employees NEVER leave me a notice card telling me my parcel is ready for pickup. I have to rely on the internet to tell me a delivery attempt was made, followed by parcel ready for pickup message.

    Yet, once again, the lazy Canada Post employees NEVER leave me a pickup notice card.

    Complete incompetence. These particular employees really need to be publicly humiliated via CBC radio and/or television, followed by being fired.

  73. FEB 22, 2014 FROM TORONTO SUN.
    Canada Post lost $109 million in its last quarter and expects significant losses this year.

    JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA!!!! THAT’S SO ??

    WHAT THE THE UNDERDOGS, MIDDLE-CLASS AND PENSIONERS THINK ?? DO
    YOU AGREE THAT INSTEAD OF FIRING 8000 POSTAL WORKERS (THAT COULD BE AN
    APPROX. AVERAGE OF 30.000 HUMAN-BEING STRUGGLING FOR BREAD AND BUTTER)
    DON’T YOU THINK,,,,,,THAT WILL BE BETTER TO FOCUSING IN:
    “” WHAT TO DO WITH THE SENATE “”?? (BY THE WAY, ALREADY THE GREAT TRUDEAU DID THE FIRST STEP.)
    WHO IS MORE NECESSARY ?? THE SENATORS OR THE MAIL WORKERS??

    WELL,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ANOTHER IDEA; FIRING THE ENTIRE SENATORS,
    WHICH ALMOST THE ONLY THING THEY DO IS TRAVELING AND TRAVELING,
    ABUSING WITH THE TAX-PAYERS AND WARMING-UP THE CHAIRS.

    ABOLISHING THE UNNECESSARY SENATE WILL BE A HUGE ANNUALLY SAVING OF
    MORE THAN $100.000.000.- (MORE THAN ONE HUNDRED MILLIONS DOLLARS)
    IT IS NOT A SHAME?? COMPARE THE SENATOR’S SALARY PLUS HIS EXTRAS………. NOW COMPARE THE SALARY OF A POSTAL
    WORKER.

    GOOD QUESTION ?? NOT SO BAD!! JEJE!!

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