Manitoba can’t get any respect

In an age of western co-operation, one province is left out in the cold

Lost in the westRecently in Vancouver, Canada’s three westernmost governments signed yet another co-operative declaration. The “Declaration on Open Skies” calls for the removal of “unnecessary barriers” to open up access to “the three western provinces,” offering “direct, unfettered” transportation links—part of a broader western strategy to create a more open, competitive and efficient regional market. In what almost seemed an afterthought, Manitoba, rather than being offered a seat at the table, was sent the paperwork for review. This came hard on the heels of another new agreement aiming, according to a Saskatchewan government news release, to create the “largest barrier-free trade and investment market in Canada.” Here again, Manitoba, the only left-leaning government in the West, did not sign on—highlighting Manitoba’s growing exclusion from the western club, a troubling trend.

It’s not the only headache facing Manitoba’s newly minted premier, Greg Selinger. He was sworn in just three days before being slammed by warnings of bankruptcy and blackouts at Manitoba Hydro, a Crown corporation owned by the province. This fall, a New York consultant-turned-whistle-blower also alleged that mismanagement has cost the public utility $1 billion. Selinger isn’t just the premier handed this mess; he was also, for years, the minister responsible for Hydro.

The province’s debt load, meanwhile, is higher than when the NDP took office a decade ago. The West’s once-in-a-lifetime boom seems to be over—before Manitoba ever had a chance to cash in. As billions churned through B.C., Alberta and Saskatchewan, it alone was unaffected—the province the boom forgot. And now, amid unprecedented regional co-operation, the province, scolded by economists for its competitive disadvantage and too-beefy regulatory burdens, is increasingly out of step with its western neighbours, who are aligning policies and political strategies, even hosting joint cabinet meetings to better act as a bloc. This creates “huge risks” for Manitoba, including being “completely isolated from major markets and population centres,” says Tory Leader Hugh McFadyen.

Even Saskatchewan, Canada’s “breadbasket basket case,” and for generations Manitoba’s pathetic sister province, has roared to life. The province has undertaken the country’s most substantive tax reform in two decades, making it competitive with B.C. and Alberta, and luring new business and investment to Regina and Saskatoon, says Niels Veldhuis, senior economist at the Vancouver-based Fraser Institute. Tax reform and belt-tightening came simultaneous to the first flow of natural resource revenue: Saskatchewan has since socked away well over $1 billion in oil and potash wealth.

Manitoba’s problem, critics say, is not a paucity of opportunity; it may not have uranium or natural gas, but it boasts a diverse economy with agriculture, manufacturing, hydroelectricity and mining. Boeing’s new fleet of 787 Dreamliner airplanes was built in the Peg, as were B.C.’s new fuel cell buses. A year ago, southeastern Manitoba boasted the country’s lowest unemployment rate. But, of late, its biggest business “by far,” says David MacKinnon, a senior fellow in the Atlantic Institute for Market Studies in Halifax, is “getting money out of other Canadians via the federal government.” Almost 40 cents of every dollar Manitoba spends is being mailed in from Ottawa—which, he adds, can lead to curious decision-making. Even as the economic crisis hit in 2008, Manitoba’s nurses were awarded a 10 per cent wage increase over the previous year, making them among the highest paid in the country. B.C., which does not receive equalization, announced a $3-billion deficit for 2009 and health care cuts totalling $360 million. Manitoba—economic “la-la land,” according to one Saskatchewan minister—was, meanwhile, one of two provinces to announce a surplus.

Whether Manitoba will continue to be showered with record levels of transfers is unclear: Ontario and Alberta, which contribute 60 per cent of this funding, have each announced record deficits for the year—$25 billion and $7 billion, respectively. Even before the recession, Ontario had begun campaigning for a new deal, arguing it makes no sense that “have-not” Manitoba can put more teachers, doctors and nurses per capita on the public payroll.

On the face of it, Winnipeg looks better than it has in years, with a new airport and the spectacular new Manitoba Hydro building downtown. The Canadian Museum for Human Rights has broken ground at the Forks, and University of Winnipeg chancellor Lloyd Axworthy is almost single-handedly remodelling west Portage Avenue with a string of campus expansions. But look closer—it’s a boom funded by the public purse. At a certain point, economists warn, growing government will crowd out private investment entirely.

Manitoba can’t get any respect

  1. I am a former Montrealer who moved west during the 1970's exodus. Winnipeg has gone from a "big small town" in those days to a big city with some big city problems.

    But even so, Manitoba is one of the best places to live in Canada. The people are friendly, the cost of living is low, the outdoors are right at your fingertips, and Grand Beach is the best beach in Canada!

    The economy here is diversified and stable and unemployment is low. Crime rates are low (except for certain areas in the core of Winnipeg).

    Manitoba never gets the respect or recognition it deserves. But I'm not sure I want our secret to get out. A sudden economic boom may spoil the paradise we have now.

    • So why'd you flee "paradise"?

      • He fled Montreal for paradise, the way I read it.

    • I've never been to Manitoba in the summer (insert joke about the weather here), but I find it hard to believe the best beach in Canada is anywhere on the prairies.

      • Matt. Your wrong, we have great beaches. I have one right outside my back yard….right now it is an ice berg however.

      • During the 1970's Playboy magazine listed Manitoba's Grand Beach among the ten best beaches in North America. The water quality of Lake Winnipeg has slipped a little since then, but it still has miles of white sand beaches, fresh water, and nice waves when the wind is blowing in the right direction. It also has the best collection of "beach bunnies" anywhere.

    • thanks fred, for supporting wasting all of our so-called "paradise" for the few gov workers that benefit

      we need more jobs for ALL Manitobans

      • It's because the NDP have been in bed with the Unions for years. This is how the unions have grown out of control in this province, but providing Gary Doer and the NDP with a lot more votes when the time comes. Gary Doer was a life long union man! The NDP has always been run by unions in Manitoba.

    • Playboy was the magazine that rated Wpg Beach as one of the top ten beaches in North America.

      It's time that the left leaning bread basket that is Manitoba get off the NDP train wreck and lower some taxes, get more business, and stop all of the pathetic social spending that keeps bogging the province down.

    • Again spoken like a True Manitoba anti business nut job. You socialists have not figured it out yet that whenever government meddles in business they screw it up. I suppose you love the CBC and the 1.15 billion per year the taxpayer gives this Liberal slanted media, and Air Canada, and Bombardier because after all they create jobs right. Manitoba will never even begin to catch Sask never mind Alberta

      • au contraire redneck one, while I appreciate the CBC (intelligent radio), I am pro-business and hate both Air Canada and Bombardier, especially how the feds seems to subsidize everything they do. I do not vote NDP and think the only good Liberal is an unemployed one.

        Just because I love Manitoba doesn't mean any of your comment has a modicum of truth.

    • Grand Beach is the best beach to be annoyed by beer-swilling yahoos — I'll give it that ;-)

  2. As a native of southeastern Manitoba, I hope Selinger and his government read this article closely. Manitoba, with its diversified economy, has such great potential, but this is being squandered because of an excessive reliance on equalization payments.

    Unfortunately, the NDP government has discovered that it's much easier to abuse the equalization payment system and get Ottawa to balance the budget than to put in the hard work of making changes that will modernize and strengthen the economy. Innovation needs to be encouraged for the province to truly grow.

    The equalization system is an important part of our federation, but the NDP government has used it to avoid its responsibility to create the conditions that will foster growth. Sometimes that means making politically difficult decisions, but a government's job is to make those decisions so that the interests of the people are put first.

    The Manitoba government should look at some of the steps being taken by other provinces to bolster their economies. Modernizing the tax structure, which it has so far refused to do, would be a good start.

    Fred is absolutely right about what a great place Manitoba is to live. I have to disagree with him on one point, though–I want to share it with more people! Manitoba should be a magnet, both for Canadians from other provinces, and for people from all over the world. But it won't become such a destination until it is willing to start proudly standing on its own two economic legs.

    • Winnipeg does need to reverse-polarity; it should attract creative and ambitious people instead of sending them to Toronto, Calgary and Vancouver. It has been able to staunch the bleeding with an influx of immigrants and refugees, but whether this truly makes up for the staggering loss of home-grown and bred talent is questionable (so-sayeth the MB ex-pat ;-)

  3. A few thoughts:
    1) The worst thing Filmon never did was not privatize MB hydro, like he did MTS, during the 80s craze for denationalizations. In Selinger maybe McFadyen (sort of a younger, prairie John Tory) has met someone even he can beat. I can't see what will change beyond public-sector unions getting fewer goodies. In theory Hydro is by far the greatest source of wealth generation in the province, but much like Hydro Quebec, public-sector mismanagement, empire building and artificially low rates have kept this from happening.

    • McFadyen will never lead the PCs to power in this province. He has no vision for where the province should, except like you say perhaps he won't pander endlessly to the unions, and he'll make a big public show about trying to bring back the Jets. I'm a right leaning guy, from a right-wing riding, but even I have a tough time stomaching Hugh McF.

      • thing is though no vision under McFad (or the hapless Stu Murray) despite his flaws would be fine after creeping union empire building under friendly, un-hateable Gary Doer. I am really amazed looking at the Wpg electoral map these days.. the ridings that go NDP. Well-off parts of suburbia. I didn't think there could be that many civil servants out there filling those $300,000 st. James homes….

    • Spoken like a true manitoba socialist Screw capitalism and bring on more socialism if that is possible. You all are a bunch of commie knotheads and deserve to be a welfare state.

  4. 2) This article is too PC to address the dirty secrets every wpger knows and doesn't say loudly; as the native population booms their financial needs are mostly on Ottawa's dime, not ours. This distorts per-capita quality of life indicators and the unemployment rate, since so many aboriginals aren't counted: http://www.ajic.mb.ca/volumel/chapter1.html
    3) Winnipeggers are lower-middle-class swing voters like SW ontario or the Lower Mainland, with most ridings having potential to flip between NDP, Lib and Tory. Thus we disproportionally benefit from federal largesse as the acceptable place to give `Western' voters goodies. Fat lot of electoral good it will do Tories or Libs to give pork to Alberta or Sask given monolithic voting blocs.) Again, Winnipeg's Detroit-like tendencies are papered over with someone else's cash.

  5. Manitoba is a "have not" province because the "have nots" keep voting in the NDP and since they have now become the majority of voters in this province this will continue to be the case……..

    • Ironically, the Sask party never managed to win until things were already on a big upswing. It seems like we voted NDP as long as things were bad because they're the guys who fix things when its bad… then when it seems more like the system is working, we switch to the conservative party to keep the good times rolling.

    • 100% agreed. The NDP has bought the union vote, and increased public spending on unions to the point where they are the most influential voting block in the province. In two years time, when the rest of the country is still in the same penny-pinching mode as they are now and transfer payments are decreased, there will be huge pain in Manitoba, and the NDP government is not even close to being prepared for it.

  6. Whoaaaa…. be careful here….. this is the same thing the SaskParty did in Saskatchewan a year or two before they got elected. They beat down any remaining good aspects remaining in the province, and slam, slam, slam all the positives, drive home the negatives and win the election. Saskatchewan has gotten worse for the average person. There is no boom here. It's all politically controlled and reported by the media. They are being fed nothing but BS. Check our books. Check our deficit we have. Everything has doubled and tripled in cost here… house prices, insurance rates, utilities, taxes…. and no raises in wages. Manitoba is the last 'political centre province' and this is nothing but an attack against it. Hang tough Manitoba, stick by your values and don't wish to turn into another Saskatchewan… or Alberta. Send your tories a message that you aren't going to be swindled.

    • Housing has TRIPLED in the last 10 years here Mo. The NDP did us a favor by sucking the rest of Canada for money, but that is no longer going to be the case. It's time for a change here. I voted Doer last time and would have voted for him again, but I never liked Selinger. He's a socialist . Doer was a Liberal. Wish the Liberals would wake up here.

    • No mention that the Saskatchewan "comprehensive tax reform" was mostly done by the previous NDP government. The NDP & Sask Party are both pretty much aligned with the federal liberals policy-wise. The biggest difference I've seen is that the NDP is more conservative when it comes to revenue projection.

    • Mo, with due respect, your take on Saskatchewan bears no resemblance to what I hear from my extended family who still live in the province, where I was born. My real-estate agent aunt has had an amazing year and reports that the streets of Regina are full of new high-end SUV's and even Hummers. My farm cousins are living large again after tough years. Booming house prices are the result of hardly anything being built during the 80s and 90s lost years and a supply shortage. Of course it's ridiculous to give Brad Wall much credit when it's mostly global commodity prices doing the heavy lifting, but having the NDP out at least temporarily constrains the ranks of voters who make their living off the public teat

  7. I moved to MB about 5 years ago, and was really shocked by how backward many businesses are here. Cash only places at tourist attractions (what tourist doesn't load up their CC and avoid carrying cash?), and still so few with websites, which is how I do my searching for services. So many of them just are not up to the speed of a business roughly the equivalent in any larger centre.

    And, why would a new industry move to Winnipeg? Sure, the quality of life (once you get to know the place) is great, except for that big issue that no one wants to address — aboriginal poverty, lack of services, addictions, racism, all the missing aboriginal women, huge intergenerational issues not addressed leftover from residential schools. Manitoba will never prosper until the aboriginal population is healed. Unfortunately, the issues have festered so long that the non-aboriginal manitobans for the most part, have lost all patience and can't see that attention must be paid. Try reading the comments on the CBC site anytime there is a Manitoba news story that even remotely touches on the aboriginal community. Its just vicious.

  8. Manitoba is a wasteland, the rural areas are dying and Winnipeg is full of gangs. I am moving my family to Alberta because I just got laid off here. We lost 1 % of our jobs, just in Dec. 2009 alone ! Hydro is a mess, and the corruption is everywhere in the government, Hydro and MPI. Don't forget the Crocus fund, which was a huge ponzi scam run by the government that sucked millions from taxpayers, who being the morons they are in this province, just forgot about it.

    • Sour grapes and a bad attitude. Have fund in Alberta!

      • That's too harsh fred. Manitoba is a very tough place for the average joe without a profession or a family business to get ahead and make any kind of money, and thank god we have Alberta's construction and energy economies to absorb so many hard working people into well-paid work; if it we were the US these people would be laid off or working at Walmart. Winnipeg is a fantastic place for a professional person educated out-of-province to move to and discover the good life comes 70% cheaper than it does in Alberta or Toronto.

    • Come on down to Alberta. We welcome anyone who works hard and wants to get ahead in life. You are making a good step ahead I did it in 93 No stopping now Just like moving to a new country what a great attitude here. Not that defeatist crap like Manitoba. Get ready for some cheap auto insurance as well. Contrary to the line you have been fed auto insurance and taxes of every kind are less.Welcome and Good Luck

    • I'll agre with one thing: the failure to hold anyone accountable for Crocus was truly embarrassing.

  9. Alberta & Saskatchewan can tie their wealth directly to Oil & Gas and Potash. Unfortunately Manitoba doesn't have those resources. But, we do have a wealth of hydro-electric power which has the potential to surpasse Oil & Gas in value during the coming century.

    Manitoba's time will come and everyone will wish they had been a lot nicer.

    I'm not an NDP supporter, but I don't blame them that Manitoba is a "have-not" province. We were "have-nots" for 10 plus years under Gary Filmon as well.

    • MB became doomed to have-not status when the creation of the Wheat Board drove out all of Winnipeg's fabulous entrepreneurial plutocrats save the Richardsons in the 1930s. Lots of them moved to the Bahamas. With little capital left and the financial sector's commodity trading activities thus curtailed, the white collar and up gradually left the cold, leaving the rest of the voters to secure government jobs to increase their share of a shrinking wealth base as the farm sector's agricultural commodity prices mostly entered a long decline (the 70s aside). Otherwise, Winnipeg would look more like minneapolis. Top Mpls employers: 3m, General Mills, Target … Top Wpg employers: Gov of Wpg, Gov of MB, City of Winnipeg, CWB…

  10. oops, that is "fun" not "fund"

  11. Attention MO and selfish lefty Ninnies

    You and people like you are Manitoba's problem. Don't end up like Sask. and AB??? The province continues to vote like a bad episode of the Simpsons. You can't call yourself a responsible province when you are taking money from Canadians who do not live there to prop up your standard of living. I CALL THAT LUCKY! Manitoba continues to exist like that 30 something still living with his parents waiting for the laundry to be folded him. (NOVA SCOTIA, PEI, NEW Brunswick and yes you too QUEBEC!!!!)
    NDP has always been the party you vote for out of selfishness and entitlement with no regard for what those promises mean 10 years down the road. Don't blame the government blame yourselves and your selfish voting practices.
    Why is there not a time limit or federal goals set to get these loafers off my federal tax dollars?
    Whatever can't win, time to move to Nova Scotia work for 4 months, collect EI for 8 months get a government grant to build an energy efficient house on the ocean and retire under the federal transfer system. YE HA!

    • I agree heartily with the comment on selfish voting. People vote never thinking about the overall health of the province rather they consider only themselves. A great example is the HST; Selinger will not institute it because (and there have been many other aspects to the argument but from an interview on CJOB this is the essence) it benefits business while affecting consumers. So consumers are happy and businesses are hurt, meanwhile thinking people realize that businesses employ them enabling them to shop. This brings another problem up, a huge chunk of Manitobans are civil servants so they could care less about effective tax policies to grow industry.

      And if that selfish voting continues we will end up relying more and more on transfer payments to fund a government that buys votes from civil servants while industry dries up, sending people who wish to prosper in a well paying job west. Thankfully we can always bring immigrants (not a slur against immigrantion because that is driving our economy and they, as a whole are good, hardworking people) over to work until they realize they'll be better off in Saskatchewan.

  12. As a proud Saskatchewan boy, it's sad to see that Saskatchewan seems to be following Alberta's lead in one category: mistaking good luck for virtue, and then being smug about it.

  13. I'm completely embarassed to be a Manitoban some days. Our government makes a big deal about how they balanced the budget again, while collecting 40% of our money from the feds (ie: other Canadian taxpayers). An article in the Free Press actually had the gall to criticise Alberta and Saskatchewan for running deficits while we had a surplus! Are they really that ignorant as to where our money comes from?

    Another disturbing trend that I've noticed was touched on here, namely that "Western Canada" no longer includes Manitoba. Having lived here all my life, I've always thought of myself as a western Canadian, and identified more with my fellow citizens out West than East. It's not just the governments of BC, Alberta and Saskatchewan that disregard Manitoba, but the people of those provinces as well. But go ahead Manitobans, keep electing the NDP. The day is coming when we get cut off from the federal teat.

    • Agreed! The way the NDP tout their fiscal record is shameful. And I've always thought of myself as much more on the same page as the average Saskatchewaner than an Ontarian. The worst thing is that if we ever do elect a government that would do the fiscally responsible things and cut spending on useless programs, they'd be crucified in the next election. I'm often scared of the future in this province.

  14. Sure seems to be a lot of west bashing when you bunch of communists are willing to take all the transfer payments from the west. I lived and done business in Manitoba for almost 40 years. I finally had enough of your anti business, tax hell out of anyone who trys to get ahead. You are a welfare basket case and always will be. Sask. has finally seen the light and elected a pro business government. I have been hearing about Conawapa for 40 years and all you do is talk about it. All your government insurance, government owned utilities have really put you on the map??? I have no idea why you keep bashing Alberta as they have fed you for decades and by the way Calgary is still the fastest growing city in Canada. Tons of your disgruntled population are still coming and a few have moved back. And yes the west is damn proud of the way we do things. Not and "Manitoba entitlement attitude" A stand on your own two feet with less government and git er dun attitude. Keep voting for the communist NDP and see how it keeps working.

  15. Manitoba has never been part of the west. What a bunch of fence sitters. Keep voting communist.

  16. Don't bash the west when you sit there and take money hand over fist from Alberta and Sask. They are the people that keep your province the welfare state that it is. Jim B is right you are a bunch of communists who have NO business savy whatsoever. Keep voting for the loony left NDP and you will drive the few business people left from your left wing paradise

    • Bahahaaa.

      Dear Jim B,

      Rule number one of sock puppetry: When complimenting one of your own earlier comments, make sure that you have logged in under another name.

          • He also posted as garry B above. He's a master of disguise.

          • i was starting to wonder after. if he just likes to refer to himself in 3rd person, but nope,

      • Good catch; that is hilarious!!! rotflmao ;-D

  17. Manitoba is…and it appears will remain…the armpit of Canada – ignorance is bliss.

    • and you are proud to confirm yours.

      • I agree with most of your posts here Fred, but it nevertheless reminds me of how defensive Tobans get when WPG/MB is criticized.

  18. What happened to CANADA . I have lived studied and worked in 6 provinces and was proud to pay my taxes in any one of them because I was raised to believe I was born lucky. And like MaggiesFarmboy I know that being born lucky is no reason to be smug. Do any of you think you live in a more virtuous province than any other? For that matter do you think that any of you are better than the beggars I met backpacking in Asia when I was 19 years old ? I could sit down with many of them and have a conversation about politics , philosophy or religion and they made more sense than some of you are making now. If you are having a political argument have one on political grounds not by pretending you get up and put your pants on any differently or any more efficiently than any other Canadian. You were born lucky if you live here. The most important thing you can do for your country is to stay vigilant politically so that the next generations are born lucky as well. But don't try and pretend you are any better than someone who was born somewhere else in Canada , or anywhere else on the planet , just because you live next to an oil well or the Parliament buildings or a hydro dam.

  19. FarmerPaul… you should stay in school and perhaps take some courses which require reading comprehension – you're clearly not getting the point. But congratulations on promoting yourself by referencing your global travels and irrelevant conversations…you don't sound at all like a self-important wannabee intellectual.

    Manitobans CHOOSE the NDP because the MAJORITY are poor – it's self-perpetuating – GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN!

  20. I would tend to agree more with FarmerPaul than Retsub – I live in MB, and I certainly wouldn't say the majority of us are poor… however, if our cost of living was anything like Toronto's, Vancouver's, or Calgary's, you're damn right we'd be considered poor. We do have a lower cost of living, but I hate the fact that we get tax money from other provinces. I hate that our province doesn't make enough money to stand on its own. I wish it was different, but it's not. I would love to have a reason to vote PC, since I vote Conservative federally, but I can't bring myself to do it – the Jets, McFadyen, seriously? That's what you ran on during the last election campaign?!?! Yeah, I'm gonna park my vote there… at least Doer had a personality, if not the ability to independently run a very large business called Manitoba.

  21. do you think he is eveyone of the above non-member commentors?

    • Nope. Not bright enough. He's got a uniquely angry style that should be pretty easy to spot. That, and the fact that he sticks the first letter of his last name in from of all his clever pseudonyms.

      I encourage everyone to thumb up Jim B's comment, as I did. It's a classic.

  22. I too would tend to agree with Farmer paul if I read him correctly that we are one nation before we are a collection of Provinces. The Aboriginal Issues of Manitoba belong to the Nation of Canada as a hole as do the environmental issues in the Great Lakes or the unemployment issues of the manufacturing sector or the fishery. Maybe we should be erasing the provincial boundaries and doing away with the duplication of judicial and governmental infrastructures we have. Wasn't there a party called the Confederation of regions? Was that their mandate ? And I also agree with Hinchey that there is a vacuum at the top of the Manitoba Provincial Conservatives . I don't live there but was stationed there for a couple years and that much I recognized ! And Doer was a slippery devil ! I think he's in Washington now , a good place for a guy like that.

  23. Very well put. I left after doing business for many years. I really have nothing to add to your description as it is all 100% true and more. Anywhere west of Manitoba is great to live and do business.

  24. as for the "Crime rates are low";

    Winnipeg has the highest per capita crime rate in the country.

  25. I'm quite sure I've read a few Tobans bashing Quebec and NFLD over equalization; nice to see Toba get some comeuppance.

  26. The last election clearly confirmed this city has become a unionized town. That's to say teachers , firemen ,government employee's , etc. decide who gets elected . So much for the rest of us ! And just maybe one day the media in general of which is more left than the NDP , might just start reporting all the facts pertaining to life in Winnipeg .

  27. A NDP GOVERNMENT will allways be a SOCIALIST "PIG".. What does manitoba have to offer.. 1. Hydro 2. Agriculture 3. THIN gas and oil. 4. Tourism AND I CANT THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE.. If we draw line from Winnipeg west,, Any small towns north has turned to Micro indian reserves.. If yu want to get elected,, vote NDP, the INDIAN Vote now has by far more power now that it did.. When chIef horsesass from peguis makes $220,000.00 the NDP economy is DEAD and will be dead till the FEDS and government ABOLISH the Child tax credit which allows the First nations to get paid for reproducing… It all starts with WASTED MONEY and accountability… Follow where the money is going.. I as a tax payer am curious.. Just how much money do manitoba pay for Indian affairs and I mean the TOTAL NUMBER… Then ask yourself how can a governement have any money to actually do any business… FOR SHAME , For SHAMEEEEEEEE

  28. Thanks for sharing this article Nancy. I never knew the deficit would reach that big. That's a lot of money there.

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