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‘As a medical doctor yourself’


Liberal MPs Hedy Fry and Carolyn Bennett—both doctors—challenge Conservative MP Kellie Leitch to join other doctors in opposing the Harper government’s cuts to health care for refugees.

As the only medical doctor in the Conservative Caucus it is incumbent upon you to examine the evidence and not be blinded by ideology. Indeed, as a medical doctor yourself, you have a special responsibility to your fellow human beings to protect health, provide sympathetic care, to prevent disease.

It is time you respected this duty. It is time you listened to the medical profession and the provinces and protect the most vulnerable in our society. It is time that you stand up for refugees and tell your caucus, the cabinet and the Prime Minister to reverse this reprehensible injustice.

Dr. Leitch responds via the CBC.

In a statement to CBC News, Leitch said the changes are “fair and necessary.” … Leitch, who represents the Ontario riding of Simcoe-Grey, referred to the open letter by the Liberals as an example of their “increasing desperation.”

Dr. Leitch was previously challenged to oppose her government’s policy on asbestos exports.


‘As a medical doctor yourself’

  1. “As the only medical doctor in the Conservative Caucus it is incumbent upon you to examine the evidence and not be blinded by ideology.”

    wiki ~ Jonathan Haidt:

    “Moral Foundations Theory considers the way morality varies between cultures and identifies five (later revised to six)”foundations” that underlie morality in all societies and individuals …. Haidt found that the more politically liberal or left-wing people are, the more they tend to value care and the less they tend to value fairness (proportionality), loyalty, respect for authority and purity. Conversely, the more conservative or right-wing people are, the more they tend to value the latter four.”

    According to popular myth, if you hold conservative political views, you’re a rigid ideologue, unwilling to compromise. But if you hold liberal political views, you’re practical and open minded. Best selling author, Jonah Goldberg, explains how this myth got started and why it’s wrong ….


    • Huh. So some guy made up a theory as to what constitutes “moral foundations” and then found that some people are less moral according to his definitions.

      Allow me to set the definitions and yeah, I can spin any argument the way I want it go.

    • I am profoundly disappointed to see some throwing doubt on the profound insights of Jonah Goldberg. A couple of things to consider.

      1) It is on youtube
      2) He is with Prager University!

  2. Thank God that two idiots like Fry and Bennett will only receive mention in this Liberal corner.
    If we are going to have a sustainable public Health Care system in 10 years we need the reasoned clear thinking of a Leitch and not the dinosaur-like attitudes of vote-trollers like Bennett and Fry. Give it up–immigrants no longer have any use for Liberals.

    • When is Leitch allowed to think – in her office with the door closed? All we get from the good doctor is the ‘jobs and prosperity’ talking point mumbo jumbo.

    • You are correct Andrew, any sustainable public Health Care system requires access to futuristic materials like asbestos.

  3. “As the only medical doctor in the Conservative Caucus it is
    incumbent upon you to examine the evidence and not be blinded by

    Ah, but as a member of the Conservative Caucus, it is her job to be blinded by ideology and not examine the evidence. You can see her quandary.

    • Unless those blinded by Liberal ideology like yourself change your ways and support an effort to maintain our Public health system, then we may lose it.
      You have no idea about the abuse our health and social services take at the hands of false refugees. And you don`t care if it bankrupts our system. You can just blame it on the Cons.
      You are blinded by ideology.

      • Well, since you’re purporting to have some knowledge, kindly educate us. What is the abuse they take? How much more or less is it than the abuse committed by actual citizens?

        • One case of a false refugee clogging up the system is too many.
          Canada has had a reputation of becoming a safe haven for genuine refugees from Viet Nam, Poland, etc.
          However recently there has been an influx of false refugee claims and the reputation is now that Canada is the sucker of the world—just make a false claim and wait around for the blood-sucking immigration lawyers to delay thigs for years. In the meantime genuine refugees wait is oversea camps.
          We now have a majority government that will correct this injustice. Liberal ideologues like yourself and the above should get out of the way. You have no interest in fixing a system if you live in the past.

          • So you have no evidence then? Rhetoric is not evidence.

            I’m waiting for “Why are against the public health system!” preferably in a shrill voice.

          • I’m sorry. It seems you didn’t understand the questions. I’ll rephrase: What is the approximate dollar value of the abuse our health and social services take at the hands of “false refugees”, is this more or less than the abuse committed by actual citizens?

            Since you say that one case is too many, obviously you believe that if some of these refugees abuse the system, none should have any access to it. And since I assume you’re not a hypocrite, you also believe that since some Canadians abuse these systems, none of us should have any access to it as well yes?

            So which is it? Should we abolish every social welfare system we have, or are you a hypocrite? Or simply wrong?

          • Very strange piece of logic coming from you today.
            You seem to think that because a few misguided citizens misuse our health and social services systems then we should encourage any false refugee claimant to do the same.
            And if the cost of false refugee claims is $1.00, it is too much. We owe it to genuine refugees.

            C`mon guys. This tightening up of our immigration system is long overdue. Let it go.
            I have no idea of Bennett and Fry`s medical abilities but they are certainly quacky politicians. You look silly following them around.

          • Yes, I suppose logic does seem strange to you, but perhaps you should try it before knocking it.

            For instance, I nowhere indicated that misuse of the system should be encouraged. I didn’t even say that misuse should be discouraged. I merely pointed out that your logic is that any abuse is completely unacceptable and is reason to terminate the whole system for a class of people.

            I then took that logic to its rational conclusion.

            You see, criticizing your lack of ability is in no way supporting anybody else’s ability. It’s simply criticizing yours. Just like pointing out when Harper or the CPC acts in a dishonest or incompetent fashion is in no way supporting any other party. There is no see-saw here where simply because you’re wrong makes other people right. It just makes you wrong.

      • Tell ya what Andrew…why don’t you ask Minister Kenney to ‘deputize’ you as a ‘reverse refugee’. You could become a Roma, a Tibetan, or a Tamil. Then you can go spend a month – or more! – in that role in Hungary, Tibet or Sri Lanka. Or hey, Columbia! Honduras! They’re preferred trading partners, donchaknow. You could even try writing some anti-cartel journalism in Mexico. That would be a gas.

        Pontificate to the neo-fascists, national overlords, governments and gangsters in those fine places as you do here, and see what happens. You know, just for sh!ts n’ giggles.

        You wouldn’t last a month. And, sadly, you might need healthcare.

        Survive though, and you can return and lecture the rest of us on ‘false refugees’. Deal?

        • If you really believe that there are many genuine refugees from those places you mentioned then you must want to rid ourselves of these false refugees that have been clogging up our system so that there is a place for these poor folk.
          But you don`t really care about refugees. All you want to do is bitch about the Harper government—-and bitch, bitch, bitch you will do for the next 20 years when Harper will still be your leader.

    • Whereas the Liberals and NDP are completely non-ideological, open-minded, and tolerant of opposing view-points? Give me a break.

      What evidence (from a non-ideological standpoint) is there that giving bogus refugee claimants better healthcare coverage than Canadian Taxpayers will have a positive effect on the Canadian healthcare system?

  4. Conservative (and Republican) doctors must think little of the Hippocratic Oath.

    • Nah, they just misunderstood and thought it was the Hypocritic Oath they took.

    • wiki ~ Hippocratic Oath:

      I swear by Apollo, the healer, Asclepius, Hygieia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgment, the following Oath and agreement:

      I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.

      I will give no deadly medicine to any one if asked, nor suggest any such counsel; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.

      Abortion In Canada:

      More than one million abortions (1,000,573) were performed between 1974 and 1987. In 1988, the Supreme Court of Canada struck down all remaining restrictions on abortion. Statistics Canada recorded 72,693 abortions in 1988. That number jumped 27.8% over the next two years to 92,901 in 1990. By 1992 it had risen to 102,085, a 40.4% increase in four years. Abortions continued to increase annually to a recorded high of 111, 526 in 1997—in the nine years following the Supreme Court decision, the number of abortions in Canada increased by a total of 53.4%.

  5. Glad to see that Liberal MPs are still standing up for the “rights” of foreigners over those of the Canadian taxpayer. It’s despicable that Dr. Leitch would consider her responsibility to represent her constituents best-interests.

  6. It is time that you stand up for refugees …

    I’m by no means a supporter of the Harper government, but aren’t their proposed changes meant to cut-off health care provisions to people who AREN’T REALLY REFUGEES?

    I consider myself to be pretty left-leaning, but frankly, I wouldn’t even necessarily have a problem with a Canadian government establishing that if you’re coming from a country like the United States, or the United Kingdom, or Sweden, say, we won’t even LOOK at a refugee application from you, let alone give you free healthcare while we go through the appeals process to finally determine once and for all that you don’t actually need to seek refuge in Canada from the peaceful, pluralistic, democratic country you’re stuck in.

  7. re Tory In-Out scheme

    I think I see another reason why Helena was dumped by
    Harper to make room for the deeply CON brainwashed Dr. Kellie Lietch:

    snip snip: The
    official agent for Helena Guergis, the Ontario MP and ousted Conservative
    cabinet minister, also said last week..

    … Guergis’s campaign refused HarperCON in the Reform Party’s
    (new Conservatives) election money “transfer” – aka the In-Out scheme.