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Bob on Michael


 

Things Bob Rae had to say about Michael Ignatieff today:

He is a friend and colleague. He has wisdom and generosity. He will make a great Prime Minister. He is a great guy. He has tremendous talent and tremendous energy. He is a formidable candidate for leadership. He is will known. His leadership is entirely constitutional, legitimate and appropriate. He is a very interesting man. He has deep and wide experience. He is fantastic. He is compassionate. He has a good sense of humour. He has a wide network of friends in Canada and around the world. He has conviction. He wants to learn. He is curious. He is interested in the world and people. He loves Canada and its people. He is wise.

The one aspect of Michael Ignatieff’s character I’m still waiting for someone to speak to:

Judgment.


 
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  1. Aaron – The merits of Mr. Ignatieff’s judgment will quickly become clear one way or another. I personally am crossing my fingers for him.

  2. Judgment, smudgement. Who needs it? Iggy has influential friends that have anointed him leader, it apparently doesn’t matter that he has no experience leading, never presented a platform nor been in Cabinet before.

  3. jwl: You know who has experience leading, has presented a platform and been in cabinet? Stephane Dion.

  4. @jwl

    Stephen Harper has never had a non-political job and was also never in Cabinet prior to becoming Prime Minister.

  5. also @jwl

    We won’t know who the influential friends who anointed Stephen Harper are because he won’t release the names of donors to his leadership campaign.

  6. Ahh, being ruled by an American (self described as per his last major article in the New Yorker), who resided there for almost his entire adult life, who believes in torture, who only came to Canada for the sole purpose of ruling over us, and who was not given the leadership by expression of democratic will, but rather by annointment.

    The American imperialist.

    Rank and file Canadians will love that.

  7. “jwl: You know who has experience leading, has presented a platform and been in cabinet? Stephane Dion.”

    True, but he had other issues working against him. Dion’s main problem was that he didn’t have unwieldy eyebrows that transfix everyone.

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    Clarence S

    I would have been pointing out that Harper wasn’t in Cabinet before if there were comments here in ’04. And no one anointed Harper leader, he won a leadership convention. Also, I don’t remember exactly but presumably the Con leadership contenders presented platforms so people would know what they were all about.

  8. I think the fact that he only came to Canada for the purpose of ruling us will be the deathknell.

    The only good Canadian, is one that is under his rule. Otherwise, he has more time for the Harvard cricket club than the rest of us poor sobs.

  9. Aaron, why do you hate liberals so much? You’re such a Conservative partisan. The media is sooo biased in this country. How about some fair reporting.

    There, that felt good.

  10. Canadian Border Guard:

    “state the nature of your visit”

    Iggy:

    “to rule over you and your people”

    Guard:

    “Length of stay?”

    Iggy:

    “only so long as it takes to accomplish my rule, and not a second longer”

    Gaurd:

    “a number where you’ll be staying”

    Iggy:

    “I’ll give you my Harvard office number, it’s on forward”.

  11. Kody – Ah, I can see the Cons have their talking points ready and are now set to try tearing down Ignatieff the exact same way they did Dion. Fool me once…

    We see you coming this time. Better come up with a less predictable strategy.

  12. Substitute the word “true” with “predictable”, and you’re bang on,

    and engaging in wishful thinking.

  13. “Stephen Harper has never had a non-political job and was also never in Cabinet prior to becoming Prime Minister.”

    And he’s a major success story to Liberals, right? Liberals are so comfortable with Stephen Harper as PM. They like his support for the Iraq War (just like Ignatieff’s). They like how Ignatieff was all over calling Quebec a nation before Harper’s quebecois nation in a united Canada proposal, too. It’s like Liberals and Conservatives suddenly agree on all the contentious issues. Well, except the carbon tax, I guess. That was where Ignatieff and Harper differed. Maybe Liberals should run on that? It might be more successful then reminding everyone that your leader is just like Harper.

  14. kody
    Dec 9, 2008 15:15
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    Substitute the word “true” with “predictable”, and you’re bang on,

    and engaging in wishful thinking.

    Ctrl-F “True” reveals only one other instance of the word on this page, which, when substituted, creates the following sentence:

    Predictable, but he had other issues working against him. Dion’s main problem was that he didn’t have unwieldy eyebrows that transfix everyone.”

    There is nothing predictable about Iggy’s eyebrows.

  15. kody – Oh I see Ignatieff is an effete (possibly American) urbanite while Harper is just reg’lar folks. The Tim Hortons strategy.

    Well perhaps Canadians don’t want to be governed by Sarah Palin. Obama is just fine thank you. Sometimes being smart and sophisticated is a good thing.

    Oh and did you see Harper try smiling at the beginning of his television speech announcing that he was shutting down parliament to stay in power? My god I have never seen something so terrifying or insincere in my entire life. Or that time he shook his childrens hands when dropping them off at school. Who doesn’t hug their kids fer crisssakes? There is nothing “regular” about Harper. I understand that he eats live kittens too.

  16. I have no idea what these commenters are talking about. I’m quite certain that “The Count” enjoys a good game of ice hockey as much as the aristocrat who spent most of his life outside the country. Why, I can already hear him rooting for the “little russians” from the frozen ponds of Saskatchewan, while enjoying the fried doughy delicacies so beloved by the locals….

    Ahh who am I kidding. I still prefer him to Harper…

  17. Judgement?
    From everything being very very very important to –
    on the one hand – on the other hand!
    they sure do pick ’em!

  18. kody, I never thought I’d live to see the day when you were going to get all Canadian nationalist on us.

    What do you make of the fact that Iggy has large eyebrows? Are you going to shave yours off?

  19. So the LPC is down to one. Shouldn’t be difficult to make a choice at the convention, eh, even for Liberals?

    One thing bothers me, though. What happened to the LPC “Dream Team” that, it was said in the last election, would guide Canada to a new and better future? No one home and the lights are out?

    Oh well, look how well the last coronation (Paul Martin) turned out.

  20. kody, do you think “rank and file” Canadians give one sweet sh*t about internal party politics? Go stop someone on the street and ask them who Harper ran against for the leadership and how much he won by. Heck, ask an undergrad poli sci student for that matter. Even jwl doesn’t remember the details!

    I really hope that the best communications strategy against Iggy that the cons can come up with is focusing on how he won a party leadership. That’s what the electorate cares about.

  21. Judgment if necessary, but not necessarily judgment:

    “I think I’ve never lacked the capacity to make decisions, but a decisive person knows when he has to make decisions, then makes the decisions he has to make, when he has to make them. I’ve made it very clear I would not hesitate to make decisions, if the party gives me the honour of electing me leader.”

    — ignatieff on CTV’s Question Period

    You think its easy deciding when to make decisions?

  22. I personally can’t stand Ignatieff but it is not true that he supports torture. He simply argued both sides of the issue of whether there is ever a case where torture may be the lesser of two evils, and concluded that there could such a case.

  23. But, Bill, he did so in an environment in which the Bush White House was using “ticking time bomb” arguments to justify widespread, systematic torture. I don’t see how he can be absolved from the moral charge of contributing to the acceptance of torture, which has been a reality in the United States for seven years now.

  24. Kody, were you referring to Flanagan? Because I’m pretty sure he’s fine with the whole Gitmo thing (as is Harper, by his own actions). Can’t say what the Austrian/Australian/German financers who paid for Harper’s leadership bid (just going by past conservative practices for that assumption)…

  25. the most important thing he needs to be able to do is get Liberals to open their wallets a la Obama.

    The LPC borrowed to finance the last election – the loan guarantee was the next tranche of $1.95 per vote coming from the taxpayers. Harper & the CpC have enough money right now to campaign hard from the get-go.

    Iggy is smart enough to realize Canadians in vast numbers are very angry at the Coalition and will punish the LPC if it tries to scoop power with the Socialist/Separatist duo in a future election.

    So all he can do is go along, claim any small victories as “I made Harper bend” and put 100% of his efforts in re-financing the Party so they can fight an election.

    If Iggy is stupid enough to give & get cheap hand jobs under the covers with Jack & Gilles and go along with the Coalition option, he will find out what “less popular than nuclear waste” really means.

    Rae will be waiting in the wings for Iggy to blow it.

  26. Right said Fred.

  27. Fred,

    What your analysis fails to account for is the popularity of the coalition among rank and file Liberals. The rank and file Liberals needed to improve fundraising and win elections, etc.

    It also fails to account for the nuances and complexities in public opinion about the coalition.

    Finally it fails to consider how a well-governing coalition govt might change public attitudes about the idea.

  28. We are now in a position where the leaders of the two largest national parties are, using past experience as a guide, unlikely to be able to properly evaluate whether to join a military conflict.

  29. … ‘a well-governing coalition govt’ would not get its start by bribing separatist party members for their support with an extra 1 to 2 billion $ of Canadian taxpayers money ….

  30. mutti: “… ‘a well-governing coalition govt’ would not get its start by bribing separatist party members for their support with an extra 1 to 2 billion $ of Canadian taxpayers money ….”

    I know, it would be downright humiliating to just follow Harper’s strategy.

  31. Jack …lol … Yeah, but thats what they are doing. Maybe they (politicians) are all the same in the end ….

  32. mutti – if you had not noticed, Quebecers pay taxes too. Lots of taxes in fact. You should see my paycheque.

  33. Quite right, Jean, but the $700-million “fiscal imbalance” payment to Charest the year before last still rankles, since it went straight into provincial tax cuts.

  34. Jack – I agree that was a disgracefully cynical manoeuvring, but you may have noticed that ALL the provincial govts play the same game. They claim they are being ripped off by Ottawa, but whenever their transfer payments go up they cut provincial taxes instead of investing in social programs. Except for Alberta which can do both since it has the luck to be sitting on top of a shitload of old dinosaur bones…er…sorry I misspoke, because Albertans are so much more hard-working than those lazy welfare bums in Eastern Canada.

  35. “Quite right, Jean, but the $700-million “fiscal imbalance” payment to Charest the year before last still rankles, since it went straight into provincial tax cuts.”

    It would upset me too but McGuinty doesn’t do tax cuts.

  36. Who would want a party leader who has oodles of experience and connections in useless places like Washington, London, New York or Israel?

    Especially one who has put aside a successful international career to serve as a local MP and then stick it out in opposition?

    Are you guys seriously committed to making sure no-one with any experience outside of their own area code ever seeks national office in this country?

  37. Jean: Oh, totally, it’s disgraceful all round.

  38. Doesn’t “wisdom” imply good judgment? Perhaps not.

  39. kody, at the risk of provoking an answer from you, or worse, several non-answers posted serially, who’s worse, the Canadian who went to America and came back, or the American wannabe?

  40. Judgment. An excellent leadership attribute to talk about. Here are some terms of reference:

    In-and-Out. Chuck Cadman. Afghanistan. Torture. Linda Keen. Arthur Carty. Marc Mayrand. Dalton McGuinty. InSite. Listeriosis. Crime. Science. Academia. Elections Canada. Omar Khadr. Gordon O’Connor. Maxime Bernier. Canadian soldiers. The Military Police Complaints Commission. The ethics committee. The press gallery. CAIRS. Access to information. Notaleader.ca. The federal budget. The economy. The recession.

    Is there anyone out there from any party that could do a worse job than coward-leader?

  41. Judgment. An excellent leadership attribute to talk about. Here are some terms of reference:

    In-and-Out. Chuck Cadman. Afghanistan. Torture. Linda Keen. Arthur Carty. Marc Mayrand. Dalton McGuinty. InSite. Listeriosis. Crime. Science. Academia. Elections Canada. Omar Khadr. Gordon O’Connor. Maxime Bernier. Canadian soldiers. The Military Police Complaints Commission. The ethics committee. The press gallery. CAIRS. Access to information. Notaleader.ca. The federal budget. The economy. The recession.

    Is there anyone out there from any party that could do a worse job than coward-leader?

  42. Aaron, I’m still waiting for the Ottawa-based media to fully analyse the major lack of judgement from Harper that precipitated this crisis to begin with. Has anybody yet published a detailed article on what his purported motivations were and what he was thinking when he allowed the Conservative fiscal update to be released, with its’ highly partisan add-ons? Has anybody been able to ask Harper questions about any of this? Inquiring minds, including most Canadians, want to know.

    At least there is a Harper interview tonight with Mansbridge on CBC.

  43. Which persona will Harper entertain us rabble with tonight? Sweater-guy or mid-life mad-man?

    Here’s a handy checklist to help you decide.

  44. I watched parts of it , Trans. It’s the Make a Mistake ?! Who ? Me ?! No Way !! version.

    Very attractive.

  45. That Mansbridge interview was lame. L-A-M-E. I noticed that about every second comment from Harper’s mouth was a dig at the opposition. Very mature. His fervent denial that he would ever cooperate with the Bloc was the icing on the big ol’ cake o’ lies. It’s delicious with tea. More delicious, even, would be humble pie. But I doubt that gets served much around politicians.

    How can a public leader get away with lie after lie? Why are we—the public and the media—okay with this? I’m not just talking about Harper. Why is it that we’re okay with politicians being shifty and fake?

  46. could be some interesting times
    in Canada when the provincial
    parties start forming coalitions
    the liberals in ontario did not
    win the 2007 election.
    liberals got 42.2%
    conservativd 31.6
    ndp16.8%%
    green 8.0%
    56.6 % of ontarions voted against the liberals

  47. Oh good grief, get over it. Harper/Iraq and he’s PM. That is so yesterday.

    Now, judgment – i’m sure you could find something of lack of judgment in every politician.

    Elitist/smart – I remember Bill Maher saying in an interview last year – he’d rather have a smart, elitist than a George Bush anytime. Why would people worry if someone is smart?

  48. You wanted someone to speak to Michael Ignateiff’s judgement.
    Bob Rae described him as “wise”. Look up the definition of wise and you’ll see it is “having knowledge and good judgement.”

    That is the difference between knowledge and wisdom: good judgement.

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