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How bout now?


 

After this and this comes this new attempt to pin Canadians down on what they will and will not accept from their Parliament.

The party with the most seats forms the government and seeks support from other parties on a case-by-case basis. Acceptable 72% Unacceptable 12%

The party with the most seats enters into a coalition with another party in order to form a government. Acceptable 57% Unacceptable 27%

Two or more parties, none of which have the most seats individually, enter into a coalition in order to form a majority government. Acceptable 48% Unacceptable 33%

Of course, none of those options appear on anyone’s ballot. And these options don’t fully cover the options available to the parties in Parliament.


 

How bout now?

  1. A party with fewer seats than the majority can form a coalition or agreement with a Party dedicated to the break up of the country. Such cooperation must come with the caveat that such a seperatist party insists the new Prime Minister allow for the sucking billions out of the non-seperatist provinces who happened not to vote Liberal.

    acceptable
    not-acceptable.

    That's the REAL question Aaron.

  2. Or…we could just go with the process already in place.

    The GG asks the PM if he has the confidence of the House.

    If he doesn't, the GG asks the Leader of the Opposition if he has the confidence of the House.

    Whoever answers yes, is the new PM

  3. Or…we could just go with the process already in place.

    The GG asks the PM if he has the confidence of the House.

    If he doesn't, the GG asks the Leader of the Opposition if he has the confidence of the House.

    Whoever answers yes, is the new PM

  4. So the choice is about 1) a party that is dedicated to the breakup of the country or 2) a party that will destroy the country?

    Choice 2) has your vote, I take it. Pathetic.

  5. So the choice is about 1) a party that is dedicated to the breakup of the country or 2) a party that will destroy the country?

    Choice 2) has your vote, I take it. Pathetic.

  6. Until your second sentence, I almost assumed you'd re-entered the realm of the rational. Ah well.

  7. Until your second sentence, I almost assumed you'd re-entered the realm of the rational. Ah well.

  8. Was Iggy lying then or is he lying now?

    “Newly named Liberal Leader Ignatieff ready to form coalition”
    “Interim Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff said Wednesday he's prepared to vote out the Conservatives and enter into a governing coalition with the NDP if next month's federal budget isn't in the country's best interest.
    “I told caucus I will vote non-confidence in this government. I am prepared to enter into a coalition government if that is what the Governor General asks me to do,” he said during an Ottawa news conference shortly after the Liberal party's national executive appointed him to replace Stéphane Dion.
    The coalition, formed in protest over the Tories' fall economic update, was set to topple the Conservatives in a no-confidence vote scheduled for last Monday and form a new government, with Dion as prime minister and members of the NDP in cabinet, with the support of the Bloc Québécois on all confidence motions.” http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2008/12/10/ig

  9. Was Iggy lying then or is he lying now?

    “Newly named Liberal Leader Ignatieff ready to form coalition”
    “Interim Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff said Wednesday he%E2%80%99s prepared to vote out the Conservatives and enter into a governing coalition with the NDP if next month%E2%80%99s federal budget isn%E2%80%99t in the country%E2%80%99s best interest.
    “I told caucus I will vote non-confidence in this government. I am prepared to enter into a coalition government if that is what the Governor General asks me to do,” he said during an Ottawa news conference shortly after the Liberal party%E2%80%99s national executive appointed him to replace Stéphane Dion.
    The coalition, formed in protest over the Tories%E2%80%99 fall economic update, was set to topple the Conservatives in a no-confidence vote scheduled for last Monday and form a new government, with Dion as prime minister and members of the NDP in cabinet, with the support of the Bloc Québécois on all confidence motions.” http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2008/12/10/ig

  10. Was Iggy lying then or is he lying now?

    “Newly named Liberal Leader Ignatieff ready to form coalition”
    “Interim Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff said Wednesday he's prepared to vote out the Conservatives and enter into a governing coalition with the NDP if next month's federal budget isn't in the country's best interest.
    “I told caucus I will vote non-confidence in this government. I am prepared to enter into a coalition government if that is what the Governor General asks me to do,” he said during an Ottawa news conference shortly after the Liberal party's national executive appointed him to replace Stéphane Dion.
    The coalition, formed in protest over the Tories' fall economic update, was set to topple the Conservatives in a no-confidence vote scheduled for last Monday and form a new government, with Dion as prime minister and members of the NDP in cabinet, with the support of the Bloc Québécois on all confidence motions.” http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2008/12/10/ig

    • Since were digging up old comments here's a few of Harpers.

      We respectfully point out that the opposition parties, who together constitute a majority in the House, have been in close consultation. We believe that, should a request for dissolution arise, this should give you cause, as constitutional practice has determined, to consult the opposition leaders and consider all of your options before exercising your constitutional authority. Stephen Harper privately met with Bloc Québécois leader Gilles Duceppe and New Democratic Party leader Jack Layton in a Montreal hotel. On September 9, 2004.

      One month later, on October 4, Mike Duffy, now a Conservative senator (appointed by Harper), said "It is possible that you could change prime minister without having an election," and that some Conservatives wanted Harper to temporarily become prime minister without holding an election.

    • At least with Ignatieff, there's a chance that he's not lying.

  11. And then Emily, Quebec separatists have a say in the running of the country. Great!
    The West is then gone- guaranteed.
    You don't think they can win a referendum to separate in Alberta? Guess again. That's why they never ask it as a polling question. The politicians and the pollsters already know the answer.

  12. And then Emily, Quebec separatists have a say in the running of the country. Great!
    The West is then gone- guaranteed.
    You don't think they can win a referendum to separate in Alberta? Guess again. That's why they never ask it as a polling question. The politicians and the pollsters already know the answer.

    • You may want to check on those hinges.

    • Karma's going to take his ball and go home if Stevie-weevie doesn't stay Pwime Minister. Cue the crying baby.

      If your patriotism is contingent upon a perpetual Stephen Harper Prime Ministership, then pack your bags right now and get out. I mean it – go!

    • Buh-bye.
      Will you be repatriating Stock Day, Deb Grey and all the other Albertans who flee that wasteland for BC the moment they get their first pension cheque? I'll host the party.

  13. The Bloc has never been, and will never be, part of a coalition.

    How many times do you have to be told this?

    I'm aware of separatism in Alberta….ta ta.

  14. You may want to check on those hinges.

  15. They could be if the CPC gains enough seats this time around.

    But I don't think them being part of the coalition is such a big deal, they may claim to be separatists but they aren't.

  16. They could be if the CPC gains enough seats this time around.

    But I don't think them being part of the coalition is such a big deal, they may claim to be separatists but they aren't.

  17. Yes. This fear mongering about a "coalition" is odd. Our system is that the party with the most seats get the first crack at securing the confidence of the house. If it can't then the GG asks if any other party can command the confidence of the house. If another party can it's leader becomes PM. If not there is an election. This is our system. How is this not well know, understood and accepted by everyone with at least a grade 5 education is beyond me.

  18. Yes. This fear mongering about a "coalition" is odd. Our system is that the party with the most seats get the first crack at securing the confidence of the house. If it can't then the GG asks if any other party can command the confidence of the house. If another party can it's leader becomes PM. If not there is an election. This is our system. How is this not well know, understood and accepted by everyone with at least a grade 5 education is beyond me.

    • Actually, the party, or actually the Prime Minister, who held power at dissolution gets first crack, no matter how many seats it has. And one other option is that a party could try to bribe, sorry, induce members of other parties to defect so as to create a majority, see Belinda Stronach, David Emerson, etc.

  19. Karma's going to take his ball and go home if Stevie-weevie doesn't stay Pwime Minister. Cue the crying baby.

    If your patriotism is contingent upon a perpetual Stephen Harper Prime Ministership, then pack your bags right now and get out. I mean it – go!

  20. I noticed harper did not use the word coalition during the debates, or not much. The opposition parties now own that word.

    It all reminds me of a Germaine Greer essay from the Seventies called "Lady Love your C**t." She asserted that by taking back and owning a word that's being used to denigrate you, by using it the way you want and not letting others define it, you can own the meaning.

    It's what harper was trying to do with the word coalition for years. He has actually failed, try as he might.

  21. I noticed harper did not use the word coalition during the debates, or not much. The opposition parties now own that word.

    It all reminds me of a Germaine Greer essay from the Seventies called "Lady Love your C**t." She asserted that by taking back and owning a word that's being used to denigrate you, by using it the way you want and not letting others define it, you can own the meaning.

    It's what harper was trying to do with the word coalition for years. He has actually failed, try as he might.

  22. Could we just, for one day even, talk about issues that matter? All of this talk about coalitions in various forms is essentially pointless until the results of the election are known, and tells us nothing about a particular party's ability to govern. All it has told us is that any leader of a second-placed party in a minority Parliament is going to be tempted to consider the option – and they'd be fools not to think of it. Any talk of the Bloc as separatists is a red herring, as it'll be a Parti Québecois provincial government that calls a referendum on separation. It's not like a Liberal or Tory coalition government would agree to Québec separation in order to have the support of the Bloc.

    During the election there has been little or no discussion on topics such as the environment, the effects of aging baby boomers on our social programs, our future in Afghanistan, and so on. MacBeth had it right: "it is a tale
    Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing."

  23. Could we just, for one day even, talk about issues that matter? All of this talk about coalitions in various forms is essentially pointless until the results of the election are known, and tells us nothing about a particular party's ability to govern. All it has told us is that any leader of a second-placed party in a minority Parliament is going to be tempted to consider the option – and they'd be fools not to think of it. Any talk of the Bloc as separatists is a red herring, as it'll be a Parti Québecois provincial government that calls a referendum on separation. It's not like a Liberal or Tory coalition government would agree to Québec separation in order to have the support of the Bloc.

    During the election there has been little or no discussion on topics such as the environment, the effects of aging baby boomers on our social programs, our future in Afghanistan, and so on. MacBeth had it right: "it is a tale
    Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing."

  24. Actually, the party, or actually the Prime Minister, who held power at dissolution gets first crack, no matter how many seats it has. And one other option is that a party could try to bribe, sorry, induce members of other parties to defect so as to create a majority, see Belinda Stronach, David Emerson, etc.

  25. There was an excellent display of shouting over each other last night in the debate involving Ignatieff, Layton and Duceppe. definitely a precursor to what would be a logjam of disagreements involving those 3 in any kind of arrangement.

    In their eagerness to promote the legality of any type of coalition most Liberals seem blissfully unaware of the potential of complete gridlock in a government consisting of such an arrangement, and I`m not even talking about the pressure such a coalition would receive from a strong opposition and pi$$ed off public.

    I don`t think there will an opportunity for any coalition, but if there is, one would hope that there is enough common sense left in the Liberal Party to realize a coalition like that proposed in 2008 will be as disastrous for the country as it would be for the LPC.
    When I read some of the rationalizations above, I have less hope.

  26. There was an excellent display of shouting over each other last night in the debate involving Ignatieff, Layton and Duceppe. definitely a precursor to what would be a logjam of disagreements involving those 3 in any kind of arrangement.

    In their eagerness to promote the legality of any type of coalition most Liberals seem blissfully unaware of the potential of complete gridlock in a government consisting of such an arrangement, and I`m not even talking about the pressure such a coalition would receive from a strong opposition and pi$$ed off public.

    I don`t think there will an opportunity for any coalition, but if there is, one would hope that there is enough common sense left in the Liberal Party to realize a coalition like that proposed in 2008 will be as disastrous for the country as it would be for the LPC.
    When I read some of the rationalizations above, I have less hope.

    • Did you bother to read past Aaron's headline? Because apparently Canadians have warmed to the idea.

      • You should be thankful that there will not be a coalition. It would destroy the LPC.

    • With a reckless conservative majority out of the way and Harper pushed to the sidelines I believe the other parties can work together just fine. It's Harper that refuses to work with the elected representatives of some 70% of Canadians. It's harper that is responsible for the 'bickering' in the house!

  27. The most perfect part of the debate was harper clearly showing one and all exactly what they are in for if they don't vote for him – hahahah! it was magnificent the chattering and bickering classes displaying for one and all the reality of this present minority structure – then – the previous night a true visual metaphor as you didn['t need to listen to the debate you only had to watch and harper earned votes …. the best part is the smell of fear out there right now as ABC disappears and the Lib's and the NDP go to war … hahahahah!

  28. Did you bother to read past Aaron's headline? Because apparently Canadians have warmed to the idea.

  29. The most perfect part of the debate was harper clearly showing one and all exactly what they are in for if they don't vote for him – hahahah! it was magnificent the chattering and bickering classes displaying for one and all the reality of this present minority structure – then – the previous night a true visual metaphor as you didn['t need to listen to the debate you only had to watch and harper earned votes …. the best part is the smell of fear out there right now as ABC disappears and the Lib's and the NDP go to war … hahahahah!

    • Muuuhahahahaha said the evil conservative as he rubbed his hands together! Grow up!

    • Yes, it was perfect. It showed Canadians how he is unable to participate in or tolerate any debate. He considers it nonsense and gets quite upset when the camera is not on him.

  30. I thought the tell-tell line of the night was when Harper said he didn't want to keep having elections all the time.

    Yes, Harper. We know. You'd prefer never to have to have one again.

  31. I thought the tell-tell line of the night was when Harper said he didn't want to keep having elections all the time.

    Yes, Harper. We know. You'd prefer never to have to have one again.

  32. You should be thankful that there will not be a coalition. It would destroy the LPC.

  33. I thought that was another of the many lines from Harper where he connected with Canadians—most of which would agree that having elections every couple years is not the way to run a country.

    Canadians will agree with Harper that the next election should be sometime in 2015.

  34. I thought that was another of the many lines from Harper where he connected with Canadians—most of which would agree that having elections every couple years is not the way to run a country.

    Canadians will agree with Harper that the next election should be sometime in 2015.

    • Why did Harper orchistrate this one then?

  35. Buh-bye.
    Will you be repatriating Stock Day, Deb Grey and all the other Albertans who flee that wasteland for BC the moment they get their first pension cheque? I'll host the party.

  36. Stop a reckless conservative majority!

  37. Stop a reckless conservative majority!

  38. Since were digging up old comments here's a few of Harpers.

    We respectfully point out that the opposition parties, who together constitute a majority in the House, have been in close consultation. We believe that, should a request for dissolution arise, this should give you cause, as constitutional practice has determined, to consult the opposition leaders and consider all of your options before exercising your constitutional authority. Stephen Harper privately met with Bloc Québécois leader Gilles Duceppe and New Democratic Party leader Jack Layton in a Montreal hotel. On September 9, 2004.

    One month later, on October 4, Mike Duffy, now a Conservative senator (appointed by Harper), said "It is possible that you could change prime minister without having an election," and that some Conservatives wanted Harper to temporarily become prime minister without holding an election.

  39. With a reckless conservative majority out of the way and Harper pushed to the sidelines I believe the other parties can work together just fine. It's Harper that refuses to work with the elected representatives of some 70% of Canadians. It's harper that is responsible for the 'bickering' in the house!

  40. Muuuhahahahaha said the evil conservative as he rubbed his hands together! Grow up!

  41. Why did Harper orchistrate this one then?

  42. At least with Ignatieff, there's a chance that he's not lying.

  43. Yes, it was perfect. It showed Canadians how he is unable to participate in or tolerate any debate. He considers it nonsense and gets quite upset when the camera is not on him.

  44. Will Deceiven' Stephen ask Helen Geurgis for an endorsement?

  45. Will Deceiven' Stephen ask Helen Geurgis for an endorsement?

  46. Michael Ignatieff's view of Canada:
    "Not worth living in unless they make you the Prime Minister"

    Michael Ignatieff's ambition to be Prime Minister:
    "There is no amount of other peoples' money I won't spend to achieve my destiny"

  47. Michael Ignatieff's method:
    Lose the election, enter into an agreement with the NDP and Bloc…be Prime Minister long enough for it to be a legitimate line on the resume…

    Michael Ignatieff's retirement Plan:
    "Leave Canada after running up the National Debt to pay off Duceppe, and let the Canadians stuck there pay the bill. I'm heading back to Provance.

  48. Michael Ignatieff's view of Canada:
    "Not worth living in unless they make you the Prime Minister"

    Michael Ignatieff's ambition to be Prime Minister:
    "There is no amount of other peoples' money I won't spend to achieve my destiny"

  49. Michael Ignatieff's method:
    Lose the election, enter into an agreement with the NDP and Bloc…be Prime Minister long enough for it to be a legitimate line on the resume…

    Michael Ignatieff's retirement Plan:
    "Leave Canada after running up the National Debt to pay off Duceppe, and let the Canadians stuck there pay the bill. I'm heading back to Provance.