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Leading the world


France is unimpressed.

“Canada’s announcement that it is withdrawing from the Kyoto protocol is bad news for the fight against climate change,” ministry spokesman Bernard Valero told journalists. “It is out of the question to relax our efforts or to break the dynamic of the Durban agreement,” he said.

China too. The Guardian, New York Times and CNN take note. John Ibbitson says we should all be ashamed. NDP MP Laurin Liu says the Environment Minister was sidelined at Durban.


Leading the world

  1. The world isn’t warming, and the climate has been changing for billions of years, and yet we have somehow decided that raising taxes incrementally is going to fix global warming/climate change. I agree with Ibbitson that we should all be ashamed but for completely different reasons because I think Canadians should aspire to do better than pigeons but that’s just me, I guess.

    Q: Do you agree that from 1995 to the present there has been no statistically-significant global warming?
    A: Yes, but only just.


    WSJ ~ Believing Brain:

    Superstitions arise as the result of the spurious identification of patterns. Even pigeons are superstitious …. Beliefs come first; reasons second. That’s the insightful message of “The Believing Brain,” by Michael Shermer, the founder of Skeptic magazine. In the book, he brilliantly lays out what modern cognitive research has to tell us about his subject—namely, that our brains are “belief engines” that naturally “look for and find patterns” and then infuse them with meaning.” 

    • you keep quoting the same cherry-picked crap, Tony. You’ve been rebutted multiple times on it.

      At this point, I’m starting to think you’re just a bot with a selection of pre-canned quotes. Lord knows there’s no actual thinking going on, and it seems you’re not even capable of finding new quotes.. perhaps your programmer is waiting for a new data-entry person to be hired?

      • Global warming is “taking a break” … I wonder if that’s the scientific term for not occurring? 

        Die Spiegel ~ Stagnating Tempatures:

        Global warming appears to have stalled. Climatologists are puzzled as to why average global temperatures have stopped rising over the last 10 years. Some attribute the trend to a lack of sunspots, while others explain it through ocean currents … The planet’s temperature curve rose sharply for almost 30 years, as global temperatures increased by an average of 0.7 degrees Celsius (1.25 degrees Fahrenheit) from the 1970s to the late 1990s. “At present, however, the warming is taking a break,” confirms meteorologist Mojib Latif of the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences in the northern German city of Kiel.

        Science Magazine:

        Assessing the impact of future anthropogenic carbon emissions is currently impeded by uncertainties in our knowledge of equilibrium climate sensitivity to atmospheric carbon dioxide doubling. Previous studies suggest 3 kelvin (K) as the best estimate, 2 to 4.5 K as the 66% probability range, and nonzero probabilities for much higher values, the latter implying a small chance of high-impact climate changes that would be difficult to avoid. Here, combining extensive sea and land surface temperature reconstructions from the Last Glacial Maximum with climate model simulations, we estimate a lower median (2.3 K) and reduced uncertainty (1.7 to 2.6 K as the 66% probability range, which can be widened using alternate assumptions or data subsets). Assuming that paleoclimatic constraints apply to the future, as predicted by our model, these results imply a lower probability of imminent extreme climatic change than previously thought.

        • From your first article, below the space you cherry-picked: “We have to explain to the public that greenhouse gases will not cause temperatures to keep rising from one record temperature to the next, but that they are still subject to natural fluctuations,” says Latif. For this reason, he adds, it is dangerous to cite individual weather-related occurrences, such as a drought in Mali or a hurricane, as proof positive that climate change is already fully underway.
          “Perhaps we suggested too strongly in the past that the development will continue going up along a simple, straight line. In reality, phases of stagnation or even cooling are completely normal,” says Latif.

          They also point out that solar energy is at a minimum, and will likely start to increase in the next few years.  Think about that, every time in history when solar energy has been at a minimum, our temperatures have gone down.. not stayed flat.  Does it take a rocket scientist to predict what’ll happen when the sun starts to put out more energy again.

          As to your second link, you’ve got a difference of 0.7 K as the best estimate.. unfortunately, a global rise of 2.3K is more than enough to permit diseases and pests to spread because the bulk of what keeps the global temperature down are the temperatures over the ocean.. the land sees a much more significant rise.

          And as to the total content, still not an original thought in your head, I see.

          • ‘…diseases and pests…’

            And daffodils in spring, the opportunity to exploit carbo-philic agronomies.

            C’mon. Stop recycling the same old stale fear-memes, or else go preaching with a Bible in the end-times fundamentalist prophecy conference circuit. I hear it’s profitable.

      • Here’s something to keep cherry-picking, over and over again:

          ‘…respecting and defending “the rights of Mother Earth” ‘

        To bad, Thwim, Durban doesn’t have you as a science advisor and apocalypse-prognosticator. They’d have a bit more credibility.

    • Although I wouldn’t share your confidence that the temperature is not rising, I recall a few years ago when there was a spate of nasty hurricanes in the Caribbean the climatological boffins were proclaiming: that’s just the sort of phenomenon we would (here comes the nice post-dictive hypothesis-testing part) expect to see with a sharp increase of heating.

      Well the spate settled down, and I ‘expect’ somewhere he may have backpedalled and said: of course spates will normally have a statistically random distribution, don’t expect persistent spates.

      Academics are not immune from patterns in the mind.

  2. The Great Leap Backwards by the Party of Stupid.

  3. Hear the spin? Canada produces only 2% of the world’s greenhouse gasses.

    Not bad for a country with only ½ of 1% of the world’s population.

    So if and when the world does start doing something about climate change, you can be sure no one will be listening to what Canada has to say.

    Thank you Stephen Harper.

  4. Won’t it be great in 10 years time when we ask the world to support our bid for control over the environmentally fragile arctic? Surely they will see the merit in supporting Canada on this, eh?

    You know, if someone went to sleep 10 years ago and came back to Canada today, they’d swear that Canada has become the first and best example of a complete takeover of a major national government by right-wing Texas-based oil tycoons. 

    • Except mini-Bush beat us.

    • What do you mean by “environmentally fragile”. What does that mean? Prone to losing diversity? Losing biomass? Becoming littered with beer cans and discarded iPad packaging?

  5. Boo hoo – China is unhappy – they got caught cheating.
    Denmark allows Chinese Co2 scam
    Global scandal
    Prof. Wara says that the Board has declined to act because if it had done so, businesses would have to pay dearly. For several years now, Wara has analysed the international trade in CO2 credits and says that many European countries have purchased credits from the 13 producers of HFC-23 that the United Nations suspects of cheating.
    In all, more than half of the European credits are from HFC-23.
    “If you get rid of the credits involved in cheating, the price of the remaining credits would explode and it would be much more expensive for the businesses to emit CO2. As a result, the Danish authorities – and the rest of Europe – turn a blind eye,” says Wara adding that the sale of HFC-23 credits has reached a level that can be called one of the world’s biggest climate scandals.
    The blind eye
    “The credits are traded for billions. And we have reached the point where quota-hit European businesses can’t manage without the artificially cheap credits. The Chinese factories now earn more from the credits than from their original production,” says Wara.
    EU Environment Commissioner Connie Hedegaard was Conservative Energy Minister in the 2007-2009 period and as such politically responsible for the Energy Board at a time when it should, according to the experts at least, have annulled the contracts.
    Hedegaard says that the authorities were early aware of the problem but were unable to rescind the contracts without support from the United Nations.

      • That has nothing to due with the trading in CERs based on fictional, non-transparent, un-checkable facts.

        • No, it has to do with overlooking things, dragging our feet and otherwise cheating on a committment.

  6. Solid Leadership by Harper’s Conservatives in getting out of this socialist scam

    • It’s not a socialist scam. It’s bad science and worse statistics.

  7. Any more announcements from our Heritage Minister and we’ll have to listen to sanctimonius advice from China on human rights too.