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The cuts begin


 

National Defence is set to eliminate more than a thousand jobs.

At this point the jobs of 1,119 employees at DND have been identified but more are expected later. The jobs being eliminated range from clerks and secretaries to food services and kitchen staff. Other jobs being cut include radiation safety personnel, weapons technicians, ammunition technicians, English language teachers, heavy truck mechanics, laboratory assistants, drivers and dental hygienists.

Civilians working for the Canadian Army are being hit hardest, with 585 of those jobs being eliminated. Other significant reductions are being made at Defence Research and Establishment Canada, the research branch which works on new technology to protect the troops in the field, as well as other positions in science and research fields. That group has identified 234 jobs to be cut.

The Citizen has mapped the cuts. The Globe says the job losses will be heaviest in Quebec.


 

The cuts begin

  1. I’m not worried.  Our soldiers will continue to be fed; private mechanics will be maintained.  I’m sure there’s a database somewhere of smiling private providers who can fill these contracts.

    • Wonder how much more they’ll charge?

      • I don’t expect parliament, or Canadians, will be informed of such details.  Maybe the AG, in a future report.

      • It doesn’t matter. What we do know is that jobs in which you’re paid directly by the government aren’t real jobs. They’re complete wastes of taxpayer funds. Now, we also know that when you take that same job, have the government pay an organization to turn around and pay those same people, those are real jobs and that organization that pays those people are true North American heroes (aka “Job Creators”) and contributors to the economy. If anything, we should be so lucky to be able to pay them more.

  2.  Eliminating jobs in tough economic times is one of the dumbest things you can do….counterproductive as they say.

    • Don’t be silly.

      Cutting waste and improving efficiency is ALWAYS a good idea.

      But hey if you’re such a fan of sub-optimal capital allocation why don’t you submit a proposal to hire all the unemployed people in Canada to dig one big hole in the ground and then fill it up again ? Rinse and repeat for all of time.

      That’ll create full employment !! Yay !

      •  I’m a firm believer that all govt programs should be reviewed on a regular basis….say every 5 years.

        Left to their own devices programs tend to sprout branches and leaves and eventually blossom into things never intended.  While all programs need to keep up with changing conditions and tech etc, they need oversight so we don’t have sub-depts, new kingdoms, turf wars, new perks and everything else. So by all means keep it streamlined.

        But cutbacks should only be done in ‘normal’ or….especially….boom times, when people can easily get other jobs, and no harm to the economy will be done.

        When times are tough, eliminating jobs and people is counterproductive. 

        Unemployed people can’t pay taxes, buy houses, cars, furniture….and all that is lost to our economy. Plus they have to go on pogey, and maybe eventually welfare….which cost the economy.

        • That ignores the fact that many of these job cuts are due to attrition.

          And we’re talking about a highly skilled group of workers. Labour mobility will not be a problem.

          Nor is there a true shortage of jobs. There are labour shortages across the west and the north.

          BTW – the idea of counter cyclical stimulus is all well and good if you can actually afford it. Ask Ontario what happens if you don’t get a handle on your finances – the debt service charges can bury you.

          Also any federal debt incursion will tend to crowd out the ability of provinces to borrow at good rates. There’s only so much demand for Canadian debt.

          And last time I checked the provinces were a lot more stressed than the feds

          • You seem to think ‘workers’ are some grey, faceless nameless, plug-in parts that can work anywhere.

            However, there is a mismatch of skills. Someone whose worked on the line in Ont, or in a steelmill for 20 years isn’t going to be moving to Alberta to take a job in the oil fields….not without expensive retraining

            It’s structural unemployment.

            And you can’t just hitch up the covered wagon and move the family west….there are mortgages, elderly parents, wife in a good job….this isn’t some pioneering era…

            You keep arguing the same points over and over again, and that’s a waste of time because the answers stay the same.

            Ont is fine btw….thanks for the concern.

          • There is a shortage of unskilled labour in the service sector in those places. The wage premium is huge.

            You also don’t seem to understand the trades.

            You can take a job with ZERO training as a tradesperson. After a certain number of hours you go do a semester of schooling. Repeat for four years and you have your ticket.

            Its not pricey because you can work right away.

            BTW – there is extensive worker retraining funding available to people on EI and to laid off federal employees.

            And nobody needs to “hitch up the covered wagon”.

            Its called 2 weeks in, 1 week out.

            Fort Mac is the 2nd largest city in Newfoundland for that very reason.

            There is no structural unemployment – just unmotivated people.

          • @yahoo-K5XAITELSHKETDEDYIH6U5AF54:disqus

            And you assume every other province is like yours. LOL

            2 weeks in, 1 week out means the people won’t be staying…not only is that hard on people, it means no permanent move.

            They’ll get a hefty sum together, and never return

            Or did you think those Newfs were there for good?

            Yes, we have structural unemployment.

            This is what it is.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_unemployment

          • 2 weeks in, 1 week out seems like something you’d do when you’re young then.

            Except youth unemployment is the highest amongst the demographics.

            Go figure. Horse, water, can’t make ’em drink.

            Why would someone put a hefty sum together and then never return ?

            In what world is work optional ? In what world do people get to turn down a job unless its real cushy and helps further their self actualization ?

            Oh. Right. A world in which you can work 3 months and then go on EI for the rest of the year.

            Structural unemployment my foot.

          •   @yahoo-K5XAITELSHKETDEDYIH6U5AF54:disqus

            ‘By the way the R&D that goes into extraction in Alberta is space age.

            And oil is by definition industrial ‘

            LOL not remotely.

          • @OriginalEmily1:disqus Well I get your scheme here:

            Pre-Industrial = resource extraction, industrial = manufacturing, and post-industrial = idea economy.

            But that construct is kinda invalid because oil wasn’t used until after the industrial revolution had finished.

            Maybe if you were talking logging or mining i’d agree. But petro chemicals ? A bit advanced to be called pre-industrial.

          •  @yahoo-K5XAITELSHKETDEDYIH6U5AF54:disqus

            Yup, in your youth maybe.  But not all youth want to be employed in the oil fields either….or in a trade for that matter.

            Newfs go home and buy houses, or set up a business.

            We’ve always had a Northern Allowance, but not a lot of people want to work in the north, either.

            Like I’ve said before, Alberta has a pre-industrial economy, and doesn’t understand an industrial or post-industrial one.

          • Oh yeah like the graphics designer interviewed at an Occupy protest in Toronto who has plenty of job offers except he can’t find work because he refuses to work for a corporation ?

            Sorry i’m not concerned about these people. Nor should the government be either.  They’re obviously not starving and they’re obviously not out on the street.

            By the way the R&D that goes into extraction in Alberta is space age.

            And oil is by definition industrial …

          •  @yahoo-K5XAITELSHKETDEDYIH6U5AF54:disqus

            The Chinese had oil wells in 300CE….Early Baghdad streets were paved  with tar derived from oil.

            Right where I live, FN used oil.

            Industrial it ain’t.

      • Rather a large assumption to make that the cuts are all waste and inefficiency, yes?

        • 5 billion in savings over three years from around 250 billion in spending is probably not going to be missed.

          Of course its all relative. Cuts don’t usually improve direct efficiency, in fact that usually requires up front investments. Ex. Buying new computers and centralizing payroll.

          The question one asks is can the private sector do the service better ?

          And then the question of waste depends on who you ask. Everybody has their pet programs.

          One has to ask whether its an essential service. Or if anyone else can do it. And if not is it really worth going into further debt over ?

          Your answer to these questions will differ depending on where you sit on the ideological spectrum.

    • These are hardly “tough economic times” in Canada. Might not be the best of times, but it ain’t the worst of times either.

      •  Actually, they are tough economic times….ignore political slogans

        • First world problems.

          Things were worse in the 70’s and 80’s. And every year before WW2.

          These are relatively normal times all and all. Before 2002-2008 was boom times. Can’t expect them to last forever.

          •  No, not first world….whole world.

          • Global GDP did drop. We had a global recession.

            That ended.

          •   

            No, we didn’t.

            And no, it hasn’t

          •  Nope, it’s a newspaper article talking about jobs…..some months we gain jobs, and some months we lose them.

            Canada has thousands of jobs we can’t fill….it’s structural unemployment

            THAT is the problem with the economy. It’s holding the country back.

          • LOL I think most people would agree with me that having unfilled jobs is better than having people unemployed. You’re constant negativity astounds me, and I’m shocked you manage to get out of bed in the morning.

          •  No, having thousands of jobs unfilled damages the country, even Kenny has pointed that out.

            Reality isn’t always pleasant Rick, but it’s reality nonetheless.

  3. Personally I am delighted.  Although it is worth noting Loraine’s concern that the government will end up spending more money, still this had to be done.

    After the way those English language teachers, laboratory assistants, especially those damn dental hygienists misled the Harper government and Parliament about the costs of the fancy fighters: heads had to roll!   I used to be a cynic, I thought DND would get a slap on the wrist.  Well no more, for once and for all Harper has shown his responsible, small c credentials.  We in Canada are blessed to have such a fiscal conservative running our country.  After all with government spending continuing to increase year after year, we need to be careful how we spend our money.

  4. “Other significant reductions are being made at Defence Research and Establishment Canada, the research branch which works on new technology to protect the troops in the field, as well as other positions in science and research fields. ”

    I would be interested to hear what positions are being eliminated.  I hope this doesn’t mean we won’t be doing everything we can to give our brave men and women in uniform the best tools to do their jobs and make sure they come back alive.  Because that would be totally not supporting the troops.

  5. The Wherryites are losing their touch.
    Wherry serves a headline up on a platter and they don`t reply with the obvious reaction that maybe a certain Minister of National Defence should have his job cut.
    Wherry has to be disappointed.

    • Perhaps because there’s really no such thing as a Wherryite, and many of us reserve judgement on the Minister of Defence for areas where he’s actually involved.. like his fishing trips — both those in the office and outside of it.

      • Wherryites have their own office ?