The Liberal ‘debate’ in Winnipeg: so laid-back, not much laid bare

John Geddes on what came up instead of fiscal policy, Mali, the poverty of First Nations and Canada’s aging population

Liberal party leadership candidates Joyce Murray, Justin Trudeau, Marc Garneau, David Bertschi, Martha Hall Findlay, Deborah Coyne, Karen McCrimmon, George Takach and Martin Cauchon at the end of the Liberal Party of Canada leadership debate in Winnipeg, Saturday, Feb. 2, 2013. (John Woods, The Canadian Press)

What are the most urgent matters confronting the federal government just now?  I ask because I wonder if anybody heard the issues they’d list mentioned much at the Liberal leadership debate—well, not really a debate, but a series of laid-back on-stage interviews—in Winnipeg this afternoon.

Reasonable observers will naturally differ on such a broad question. Still, I’d expect, if we’re talking domestic policy, many to cite the dicey problem of budget-making during such a prolonged stretch of slow economic growth. How to shrink the deficit while still maintaining, even expanding, priority programs? It’s the daily dilemma of governing. It didn’t come up.

On foreign policy, Mali is driving home the lesson that even with Canadian troops no longer fighting in Afghanistan, the pressures of Islamist extremism in vulnerable, far-away countries will continue to demand responses from western nations, Canada inevitably included. Again, not touched at today’s Liberal event.

Turning to social issues, I’d argue that adjusting to an aging population, which everybody knows is putting intergenerational stresses on health and pension systems, has to rank as the top concern. Nothing on that. Others would counter that the country’s most shameful social failure is the poverty of First Nations, with all its attendant misery. Discussed only insofar as the Liberal candidates were pressed afterwards by reporters on why aboriginal policy was omitted from the set of questions they all answered on stage.

Now, you can’t cover everything in an afternoon. And the stuff that was aired in front of the Liberals assembled in Winnipeg’s gloriously renovated Metropolitan Theatre this afternoon included a couple of undeniably top-tier subjects. Each candidate was asked about resource exports—a pillar of Conservative economic policy—and about fighting crime—another Tory centerpiece. But the contenders were also questioned on, oh, the high cost of transportation in rural and remote places, and whether Ottawa should fret about suburban sprawl eating up good farmland.

Not to say those aren’t worthy preoccupations, in their place. Still, I’m not going to hold it against anyone in the audience who might have, during long stretches of these polite exchanges, gazed up at the resplendent, painstakingly restored classic plaster-molding around the recently refurbished golden-age movie palace.

Only occasionally did the leadership contenders speak with sufficient verve to truly demand attention. B.C. MP Joyce Murray chided her party for the lack of discussion of First Nations policy, an odd omission for a stop in this city with its large urban aboriginal population. (Idle No More protestors briefly intruded, beating drums.) Murray also asserted her support for legalized marijuana, and challenged her rivals to be as clear on their positions on pot.

Even better was Martha Hall Findlay’s turn in the not-so-hot seat. Hall Findlay has made getting rid of farm marketing boards her signature proposal, so the pre-determined question about agricultural policy—a snooze for other candidates—played perfectly for her. She was strong on how supply management means higher prices for milk and eggs, which most harms to those who make the least, often single-parent families.  As for how dairy and poultry farmers would survive if they lost their protection, Hall Finlay reminded the room how Canada’s wine industry was supposed to be wiped out by Canada-U.S. free trade, but thrived instead.

She was provocative on the question about crime, too. After nodding at the Liberal consensus against the Conservative push to jail more criminals for longer by imposing mandatory minimum sentences, she pointedly noted that Liberal MPs actually voted for many of Tory criminal law reforms anyway. “We don’t want Stephen Harper to make us look like we’re soft on crime,” she said. “We voted for too many of those bills.”

Justin Trudeau, the presumptive front-runner of course, laid on his usual charm. Each candidate was asked, as a downy-soft opening question, to reveal something personal. Few did anything clever with it. But Trudeau mentioned how badly he misses his kids when he’s out campaigning, and how he’s looking forward to being home for his daughter Ella-Grace’s 4th birthday in a few days. Too sweet? I don’t think so. For many Liberals, Justin still very much somebody’s son; to remind them he’s somebody’s father is smart.

On policy, Trudeau’s best line was his bid to reassure Liberals (and many others) that foreign takeovers of Canadian resource companies don’t really amount to foreign capture of Canadian resources. “The only people who will ever own Canadian resources are Canadians themselves,” he said.

Marc Garneau was blandly likeable during the on-stage interview, but considerably more forceful in his brief closing comment. Garneau came close to haranguing his opponents with a demand that they be precise on policy, vowing that he will be by the time the party votes for its new leader on April 14. “You will know,” he said, “what Marc Garneau stands for in terms of policy on the vast majority of issues of the day.”

Was that a shot at anyone in particular? Asked in a news conference afterward if he was hinting at a lack of precision from Trudeau, Garneau wouldn’t be drawn into a direct criticism of the guy he’s trying to somehow beat. The theme that Liberals should be demanding a lot more of the leadership aspirants was echoed by Hall Findlay (“This is a question of substance, a question of experience…”) and Deborah Coyne (“Don’t settle for vague platitudes…”).

The ginger atmosphere around the Jan. 20 debate in Vancouver and the genteel format used for today’s in Winnipeg sure didn’t test the candidates on those serious terms. The Liberal party has three more debates scheduled, one later this month in the Toronto area, another next month in Halifax and a final outing in Montreal. That’s three more chances to showcase these potential leaders and not, as was mostly the case today, the décor.

The Liberal ‘debate’ in Winnipeg: so laid-back, not much laid bare

  1. With a field led by the likes of Justin-boy, I guess you can’t expect much.

  2. Justin Trudeau… he’s got charisma, he can relate to the public on a personal level (despite his stature and upbringing)… but seems to have no grasp on policy whatosever. If the Liberal party wants a person to put on magazines, he’s the perfect guy. If they want a leader with vision, ingenuity and a real handle on how hard it is to govern, this man may be the worst choice of the lot.

    Can you imagine watching the leaders debates in a few years, prior to the Federal election, and watching Harper and Mulcair (no matter what you think of them, they know their craft) absolutly mop the floor with this guy?

    The Libs will be comitting suicide by nominating Mr. Trudeau as their standard bearer at this stage of his career… and even if they manage to hang on to some scraps of voter confidence (mainly die hard Liberal-or-bust folks), the poor guy could see his career dashed on the rocks of early defeat.

    You don’t ruin your blue-chip prospect goaltender with a terrible team to carry, especially before he’s done his time in Juniors and the AHL. he needs to be brought in slowly. Get confidence as a player (MP for a long while maybe?) and be brought in with a backup role (maybe shadow cabinet?).

    For every Marc-Andre Fleury, there’s a swathe of Steve Masons, Marc Denis’, Justin Pogges, Mikhail Tellqvists and on, and on, and on… and like those diplomats of the diamond depot (source: Joe Bowen), he could be thrown to the wolves, and never reach his potential.

    • He’s very popular….in spite of any problems

      • Whatever problems Trudeau has or doesn’t have, they are nothing compared to Harper’s multitude of shortcomings. Harper has a hard time getting even conservatives to vote for him, let alone getting votes outside of the conservative tent. Mulroney won 50% and 43%. Harper: 30%, 36%, 38%, 40%. The 30% was the lowest combined conservative vote in history. The 40% only happened when right-leaning voters panicked against the idea of a NDP-led government.

        • Liberals 35 seats Conservative 165 seats! Your % crap doesn’t mean nothing!

          • Defeated Dion and Ignatieff…big time guy Harper. Took him how many attempts to come up with a majority? Even then he didn’t wrap it up until the final week or so in 2011. One of the all time greats that one. Mulroney, Chretien or Trudeau in their prime would have eaten him alive. Big fish in a small pond ,so far.

          • That pond is not going to get any bigger with the likes of Trudeau and Mulcair.

          • Don’t know unless we drop the puck right!

          • And you think Trudeau is the right guy to drop that puck? I don’t think so.

          • 100% disagree! It’s a heluva bigger accomplishment to get a majority government from where Harper and CPC was standing.

          • Bigger than what exactly ? After squeaking past Martin with the assistance of adscam and the RCMP, Harper was expected to have no problem against the liberal B team, yet he blew it at least twice and once against Martin.

          • Libs are the most successful party in the western world, having held power for 70 years of the 20th century….you think Harp’s 7 years changes that?

          • WERE the most successful party

          • “Unilingual Anglophones will be sentenced to a lifetime of job immobility” – Pierre Trudeau.

          • Only place where he says that is on the crackpot site of Free Dominion.

            Go back there.

          • It’s actually on several websites. There are many opinions on whether or not, Trudeau was liked or disliked as a leader. We all have our own views on the issue of PET. I fail to see what he did for the ROC, all the while ensuring Quebec’ interests were looked after first and foremost. http://www.frumforum.com/?s=pierre+trudeau

          • Only Con sites….which Frum is.

            Actually Pierre opposed separatism, and tried to integrate Canada.

          • Only under disguise. Place a lot attention on multiculuralism, which weakens the importance of english, then make the entire country bilingual ensuring that english and french become the offical languages. Trudeau should have worked in Vegas.

          • Canada has 200 languages. Just be thankful only 2 or them are official.

          • Frum has a lot of interesting stuff to say on US conservatism. On Trudeau for some reason he gets unhinged.

          • I tend to agree with your view, and yes, David Frum does indeed have much to say on conservatism as you mention. With respect to Trudeau, I am not quite sure. Usually with media, you can always count on opinions being split. Rex Murphy loved Pierre Trudeau, and yet, he fails to see true value in Justin. David Frum truly comes across as despising P. Trudeau, not quite sure of his take on Justin, though I would bet, he probably feels the same. Other writers saw P.Trudeau as a failure, while others see him as one of the greatest Canadians of all time. It’s a tough nut to crack….

          • Thx for the reasoned response. Trudeau truly inspired a lot of reactions in different people. It’s part of his legend.

          • My pleasure. Have a great day-and stay safe.

          • Emily once again you can repeat history all you want. We are now in the 21st century and Libs are down to 34 seats and looking for their 6th leader in 6 yrs. Wake up and smell the coffee. It just ain’t there for them these days.

          • LOL well the Libs can’t be in office all the time….they are bound to lose occasionally.

            But you are so used to them being in office….you are shocked enough to think that a turn as Opposition means Armageddon!

          • We have been in the 21st Century longer than 6 years, and your math is off: Dion was leader until the end of the year 2008, then Mr Ignatieff, and since 2011, there’s been an interim leader named Mr Rae. So 6 leaders in 6 years is just incorrect misrepresentation. Did you do that on purpose, or did you just make an error?

          • Obviously you didn’t read the post I was responding to. The Libs when Dion was elected and then again when Ignatieff was elected touted that these gentleman would wipe the floor with Harper. Now they are saying the same thing about the manchild. Will you Libs ever quit with the arrogance and hypocrisy. I did not misrepresnt anyone. You should trying reading the posts before accusing.

          • Think Emily still must have the big hair, big glasses and 10 inch heels from the 1980s, the last decade the Liberals were a successful party

        • Oh puh-lease! So you hate Harper, it’s fair enough but your comment is so out of the ball park.

    • “Can you imagine watching the leaders debates in a few years, prior to the Federal election, and watching Harper and Mulcair … mop the floor with this guy?”

      What utter nonsense. If anyone remembers the last leadership debate, Harper ignored all questions put to him, ignored all the other leaders, looked straight into the camera and parroted lies and talking points (while loaded up on goofballs…)

      Let’s face the facts. Trudeau has put the fear of God into Conservatives given how high he has been polling. They are praying to the good Lord Jesus night and day that the Liberals choose someone else.

      I just hope the Liberals have learned their lesson and are going to import the Democrat cure to the disgusting Republican attack machine that simply spews muck and filth at one’s opponents (“swiftboating”.) The short version: a) respond to all attack ads no matter how puerile, juvenile and infantile; b) fight fire with fire.

      Harper is a goof. It is easy to make Canadians thoroughly disgusted with him based on all his lies, broken promises, sleazy behavior and deadly dull personality. It’s time for the Liberals to pound on him until he’s down on the mat curled up in the fetal position crying out for his mommy. A vast majority of Canadians will be eternally grateful that they did.

      • And your choice is? Replace Harper with whom? Liberal Monkey’s leaving the Ship!
        They the Liberals have nobody to lead them, and you want those Liberal loonies up the hill run Canada? You can cry all you want, just come up with a competent Leader! For now Harper hands down!

        • I believe you’re aware the Libs are having a leadership race.

          • Nobody is noticing.

          • AHAHAHAHAHA….Cons are all over this thread foaming at the mouth.

            Oh yes, you’re noticing alright

          • Right, left, center, Liberal, Conservative, NDP, red, and or blue, etc. You honestly think there’s a huge difference? Once they’re in, they’re in. Most of these politicians are like used car salesmen. Talk a great story, and once you purchase, you are on your own.

          • Yes, there’s a difference between parties.

            Once people are elected though they discover what they can and can’t do….things they didn’t know when they were outside criticizing….and so their reactions can change.

          • Emily, I wish it were that simple. You have much more faith in our elected officials than I.

          • I’ve been one

          • And to think otherwise, is the real AHAHAHAHA.

          • Other than what?

          • It should always be about character, quality, accountability, experience, and not just based on party faves. I have gone several elections where I refused to vote, simply due to the candidates running failed to earn my vote.

          • I’m sure that upset them greatly. Not.

          • That… or we’re all in awe that the Liberal party would be so short-sighted.

            Trust me, none of us are worried about Trudeau. We’re just astounded by the whole three-ring-circus.

          • It’s called ‘whistling past the graveyard.’

          • Which makes you what?

      • In purely debating terms even Mr Dion with his fractuerd English at least held his own with Harper, and i’m told [ i've no French] that he kicked his butt royally in the French debate.

        • This guy forgets how many opportunities opposition leaders, including Trudeau, will have to land KO punches after 9 years of terrible, ineffective government.

          E.g., “Mr Harper. In 2006 you promised to bring in ‘open, transparent and accountable government.’ Yet according to an international report on government openness, Canada ranks #51 languishing behind Angola, Colombia and Niger. How do you answer for this *disgraceful* outcome?”

          Trudeau is going to put in the time and training into the debate. He has 2.5 years to work on it. It will be Brazeau all over again.

          • Harper’s real strength is in his ground game anyway – the libs in particular are going to to really pick their game up. If they do that and JT matures a bit
            more than they have a chance. A little outside help or luck would be nice…say a really bad report from EC on the robo call stuff…and the NDP will not be a push over.

          • NDP really something here in Manitoba maybe you had better study up on the NDP before you start bragging

            NDP & LIBERALS WERE THE HUG A THUG PARTY’S AS YOU WILL REMEMBER

            IGGY saying let all my people get out of jail & acknowledging he had a lot of freinds in jail & didn’t want more going to jail.

            now for your NDP

            ON MAY 04, 2008 OUR Manitoba Government had a slush fund set aside to
            purchase things like slurpee’s donut’s baseball ticket’s clothes & a host
            of other goodies for high risk car thieves unbelievable with our money. The revolution
            came forward after two very tragic & high profile cases surrounding
            probation & court orders. Court orders are directions judge places on an
            offender before they are released on probation in the community. They include
            curfew time, & instructions to stay away from drugs & alcohol& in
            case of a young offender, instructions to attend school. To there surprise they
            learned that the young offender who was driving the stolen SUV down Portage Ave
            .in 2008 & crashed & killed an innocent cab driver had breached his court24
            times under our NDP government the high risk young offender wasn’t reported to the
            police even once under our NDP Justice system in our province court orders are
            routinely breached & ignored. Had they been reported by our NDP Government
            like they should have been the high risk car thief might have been in jail
            & not racing down Portage Avenue & an innocent man might still be alive.
            Only a few days later it was revealed that another young offender who was
            ordered to wear an electric bracelet as part of his court order & he wasn’t
            wearing it & he was involved in a violent home invasion where an innocent
            family was terrorized. The young offender didn’t have his $2500.00 ankle
            bracelet that the tax payers had paid
            for, However because his probation officers forgot to place it on him & then
            decided not to bother placing it on him even though the courts had ordered it
            as part of the of ordered probation. Under NDP Governments court orders are
            being routinely ignored & puts the safety of all Manitobans at risk AS if
            that wasn’t bad enough The NDP had put away a slush fund to reward these high risk offenders, thieves
            & young offenders with our tax money for slurpees, donut’s baseball tickets clothes & a host
            of other goodies &, is it any wonder people are having their homed broke
            into & vehicles stolen under the NDP Government & to think they wanted
            to reward them or stealing & violence, is it any wonder there is crime
            under the NDP Government

          • Read my Virtual lips…I don’t care…now. take it somewhere else. Preferably the land fill.

          • From a Liberal loser you suck it up

          • The Libs and the NDP are barking up the wrong tree. Canadians support the toughen up of the criminal justice system. So I don’t think Harper is being too tough on crime is a winning strategy for any of them.

          • Holinm = all Canadians… Check that.

          • Check the polls my friend. Enough basketball courts being built and pampering those that commit serious crimes. If you commit the crime you need to do the time.

          • You need an editor.

          • Or a shrink.

          • I will agree when it’s suggested that Harper might not be the answer to our problems, but thinking that Justin is our saviour is a little misguided. I, for one, am growing tired of listening to the non-stop rants coming out of Quebec, demanding that each and every public servant must be bilingual to be considered for employment. They refuse to sign the Canadian Charter, dispise the english language in the province, and yet, they deman equal billing outside Quebec where the number of french represents less than 4%. If you require proof, I have lot’s of quotes from those who sought to build this nation-french first. It’s all there….I don’t make this stuff up.

          • Christian fundies look for saviors. Normal people do not…

            Con cranks attempt to incite hatred against Quebecers to weasel support and votes. It’s the same tactic Hitler used. Like Harper, they don’t care if their scorched earth scams cause the destruction of the country.

          • You consider yourself normal LOL!

          • I think there are some people in Quebec who have brought that on their own accord, with years of ranting, and outlandish demands. Marois removing the Canadian Flag might be a good example of that, and it wasn’t that long ago.

          • You watch too much television. Normal people. What does that mean? Have you tried to gain employment, or know of anyone who has attempted to seek employment in a government position, who fails to be fully bilingual (outside of Quebec)? I am not a huge fan of Harper, but using Harper’s name and Hitler in the same paragraph is a bit of a stretch. As far as playing weasel to gain support and votes, what province do you think provided that luxury for the Lib’s during Trudeau’s years in office? Quebec has always been about votes, and was easy to gain, when a french-bilingual was running for office. Just look at the politics in Quebec. Hell, they couldn’t keep an english coach behind the Hab’s bench, and were forced to replace Cunneyworth due to his inability to speak french. The demand to see changes to Costco, Best Buy, Walmart, and other company chains that were told to make their brand more french to meet the demands of the separatists way of thinking. And you think others are finding ways to incite hatred towards Quebec? Really?

          • Actually it is only you guys who are touting JT as a savior. No sensible liberal is. I can’t speak for the insensible ones.

          • I have no interest, nor do I, see any true value in seeing Justin lead any political party-let alone the Liberal gang.

          • No problem with that if its your honest opinion.

          • Yah….ya do.

        • Message to kcm2. Dion lost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Which just goes to prove his point — that the debates really don’t mean squat.

          • Good point. I’m glad you pointed out I made it. I think;)

          • Exactly! People still don’t get it particularly Liberals. Campaigns and elections mean something. The polls/surveys can say whatever they want to say but elections do matter. The Libs and their supporters in the media still haven’t figured that out yet. Until they do they are going to keep losing.

          • Message to holinm – Harper is not a good debater. If he’s going to wipe the floor again he will have to rely on his goons talent with playing with contributions and robocalls.

          • I never bragged that Harper would wipe the floor with anybody. It was you Liberals who are so desparate to regain power that tried to convince yourselves that Canadians were going to vote for a guy who could not speak the majority language effectively and who tried to impose a tax on everything and tried to sneak through social engineering pretending it was going to reduce GHG’s. Canadians saw right through that farce.

          • But not because Harper was a genius, but because Dion wasn’t up to snuff in English or as a leader. That doesn’t automatically make Harper anything other than one notch above mediocre. Not much to brag about really. Would you brag if you could beat your sister arm wrestling?

          • What happened to all those comments that Dion was going to wipe the floor with Harper.

          • Cuz there weren’t any!

          • Give me a break. Obviously you only stick to the McLeans blog.

      • Yep that’s true and Dion and Ignatieff were going to mop the floor with Harper. You diehard Liberals love to live in a fantasy world. Where in the world are the Libs going to pick up 100 seats in the next election to even form a minority government.

        • The problem was allowing those in real power to go with Dion and Ignatieff. Their political fate was a foregone conclusion long before the race even started.

      • “Harper is a goof” – well, there you go. Calling a well educated man who has held his own in debates, had policy stances that were thought out and explained (whether you like them or not) and is your PM a goof?

        You, sir, are what’s wrong with political discourse. Vitriol and no substance.

        And, trust me, no conservative is afraid of Justin Trudeau.

    • Keep on underestimating him bud. We libs need all the help we can get from you.

    • To continue your analogy, i guess that makes Harper the Ron Hextall of goalies. Capable of playing the odd blinder. Getting you to the cup but losing anyway despite winning the CS award. Being chiefly remembered as a loose cannon, who’d be as likely to start a bench clearing brawl as actually win you a gimme game.
      Trudeau’s going to more like a Hasek. A late bloomer that wore a weird mask and overcame a really weird style, before going on to become one the best goalies to ever play the game.[ actually i think he'll do ok if he has a first rate defence in front of him. And we already know he can scrap.]

      • B….O….R…I…N…G

        • Welcome to do better… Or you can offer nothing original or creative…. Oh wait, you already have.

          • The wannabe critic speaks Yawn

    • Concern trolling.

    • You’re assuming Canadian’s give a rat’s ass about actual policy. The results of the last election prove you wrong. As anybody who actually read the CPC book on their proposed policy — you know, the one that only came out after the debates — realized they didn’t have a friggin’ clue on what they were doing or how they intended to pay for it other than the magical fairy dust of “economic growth” — growth, incidentally, which anybody who wasn’t so blind as to comment “If we were going to have a recession we already would have” would have expected we weren’t going to meet. And which we didn’t.

      But hey.. you run on that idea that Canadians care about policy. It’d be great to see the CPC take you up on that.

      I somehow doubt they will though.

    • Justin Trudeau knows how to work a room and he is already applying the “anti democratic” Liberal stance of “political marketing” for example what he was wearing, not a coincidence, very Obamish.

      It’s unfortunate that this will be a coronation and there isn’t truly a race.

      However, on the LPC perspective is not a bad thing, to get ahead in any way is a plus, from there things can improve in a positive manner.

      • I can see your point, but here’s a question: Do you think there’s any possibility that Trudeau’s oft-times divisive language may actually be a detriment to already reeling party?

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    Mr. Bruno and Mr. Accurso are alleged to have used bogus invoices and
    created a fictitious person living abroad to evade tax on more than $3-million,
    RCMP spokesman Corporal Luc Thibault said.

    The scheme is alleged to have taken place between April, 2007, and July,
    2009.

    According to previously filed court documents, the investigation, code-named
    Project Coche, is a continuation of a 2006 police probe into the Montreal Mafia.

    As a result, the documents say, the CRA executed several search warrants in
    2008 and found the “Plan of Action” at Mr. Fiorino’s office.

    A search warrant says the paper was prepared by Mr. Furgiuele and outlined
    how a numbered company owned by Mr. Bruno, 3703436 Canada Inc., could evade
    taxes.

    The search warrant says the numbered company claimed it received loans from
    a European firm for which it did not have to pay taxes. The warrant adds that
    the European company did not exist. The court filing also alleged that 3703436
    Canada Inc. issued fake invoices to three construction firms owned by Mr.
    Accurso.

    According to court documents previously filed by the CRA, Mr. Bruno opened a
    bank account containing $1.7-million in 2006 in the Bahamas
    with two CRA employees, including his cousin, Mr. Furgiuele.

    Other court documents obtained last year by Radio-Canada and The Globe and
    Mail show that the RCMP was investigating whether Mr. Bruno received lax
    auditing by offering perks to CRA staff such as trips, home renovations, and
    wining and dining in a luxury box at a Montreal Canadiens game.

    Mr. Bruno and his construction company, B.T. Céramique, pleaded guilty last
    year to tax evasion and were fined $1.3-million. However, no charges had been
    laid until now in connection with the allegations of corruption of civil
    servants.

    The CRA has fired at least six employees and suspended three others in the
    case.

    “The CRA takes the situation at the Montreal
    tax services office very seriously. Today’s arrests demonstrate the strong
    action that has been taken in regard to these allegations,” spokesman Noël
    Carisse said in an e-mail.

    He confirmed Mr. Furgiuele is no longer employed by the CRA, but wouldn’t
    comment further.

    Previous court filings also allege that the RCMP search at B.T. Céramique’s
    offices uncovered copies of an internal CRA document alleging that a shopping
    centre Mr. Accurso owned had not declared revenues.

    The three copies were not supposed to be removed from the federal agency,
    and their disappearance meant “the information was no longer at the disposal of
    the CRA,” the search warrant states.

    Less than four months ago, Mr. Accurso was among 14 people arrested in a
    separate case over allegations of corruption in Mascouche.
    He was charged with fraud, conspiracy, municipal corruption, breach of trust
    and defrauding the government.

    In 2010, two construction companies that Mr. Accurso had administered,
    Simard-Beaudry Construction Inc. and Louisbourg Construction Ltd., pleaded
    guilty to committing $4-million in tax fraud.

    According to an agreed statement of fact presented in court, the two
    companies submitted $19-million in non-deductible expenses, including
    $1.7-million for the construction of a luxury yacht.

    The yacht, called Touch, has gold faucets and a six-person hot tub. It has
    been used by Mr. Accurso to host elected officials and union leaders.

  5. Mar312011

    CBC & CTV pro-Liberal bias unworthy of journalists

    I believe I speak for most Canadians, regardless of our political
    differences, that the pro-Liberal, pro-Ignatieff bias on both the CBC and CTV
    (and yes sometimes even the “non-partisan” CPAC) could have an impact on the
    federal election. Of course, what that impact will be, we won’t know until May
    the 2nd. But, it could just as easily have a backlash against Liberals as a
    negative impact on Conservatives.

    It is not just what the reporters or news readers ask or say. It’s also
    what they ignore and deliberately leave out. For example, they rarely show the
    Prime Minister in a positive light, while they go out of their way to spin what
    Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff is doing as positive.

    I mean, the very assumption that Ignatieff would automatically win a
    one-on-one debate with Stephen Harper is ridiculous. I mean, just because
    Ignatieff was a professor does not mean he will be able to effectively debate
    issues relating to how to run a government.

    As someone who spent the latter part of her working life in a university
    environment, I think that former professors are probably the least likely to be
    effective prime ministers. Why? Because, far too many of them are narcissistic prima donnas. Just ask
    anyone who has ever had to navigate a master’s or doctoral thesis “committee”
    and they will concur.

    In any event, whatever the CBC and CTV’s reasons for allowing their
    journalists to behave like tabloid sharks, they are a disgrace to Canadian
    democracy and free speech. Peace, order and good government. Wouldn’t those
    principles ensure that the media, particularly the tax funded media, give equal
    time to all the main parties? Plus, whatever happened to the old-fashioned
    notion of professionalism?

    Then, to top it all off, the CBC has a “Compass” poll program that is
    definitely rigged in favour of the Liberal Party of Canada. How do I know? I
    know because I took the poll this morning. I answered truthfully, including
    giving the highest marks to Stephen Harper’s leadership abilities and that I
    would prefer him as prime minister. Yet, as readers can see in the screenshot
    of my results, I turned out to be a Liberal.

    What absolute nonsense. In order to be a Conservative, I would have had
    to answer in a certain way — to give the highest marks to getting rid of the
    long gun registry, extending funding to the military, increasing the
    involvement of the military in Afghanistan and be the least likely to agree
    that abortion on demand should be extended.

    Look, the Conservative Party of Canada is NOT a far right extremist
    party. It is a big blue tent, with purple around the edges, which represents
    former PCs and red Tories like myself.

    Anyway, you know what all this bias and unprofessionally shows? It shows
    that the media is afraid, very afraid that the Canadian people are actually
    going to exercise their own judgment and elect a Conservative majority. Well, putting
    aside CTV which is a private company and should know better, the CBC is paid by
    all taxpayers. Where once I might have lobbied on their behalf, I will no
    longer. If their own self-interests are to such an extent that they would
    deliberately bias their coverage, then they don’t deserve one cent from the
    public.

    But, they can still turn things around. We are only in the
    first week of the election campaign. No one is asking them to be pro-any party.
    All we are asking is for them to be fair and balanced. Isn’t that what
    professional journalists are supposed to do?

  6. Paul Chiasson / THE CANADIAN PRESS file photo

    Quebec construction magnate Tony Accurso, seen in April
    2012, was arrested earlier this month by the RCMP’s anti-corruption squad on
    allegations of federal income-tax evasion.

    By:Wendy GillisStaff
    Reporter, Published on
    Wed Aug 29 2012

    Explore This Story

    1

    SHERBROOKE, QUE.—In his home riding for the fifth time this election
    campaign, Quebec premier Jean Charest seemed to think if he said it enough, he
    could make it so.

    “We will form a majority government,” he repeated
    to a small gathering of supporters at a Sherbrooke hotel Wednesday. “I will be
    the representative in Sherbrooke.”

    Given the polls — the most recent putting him in
    third behind the front-running Parti Québécois and the Coalition Avenir Québec
    — and the stiff competition from the PQ’s Sherbrooke candidate, Serge Cardin,
    the predictions could come off as overconfident.

    But they were especially rosy considering the
    trying day for the embattled party as election day draws closer.

    More:

    A booing crowd of about 40 demonstrators outside
    a press conference Wednesday afternoon — who prompted the cancellation of a
    campaign stop at a Sherbrooke market — was not a welcome sight.

    But it was an accusation hurled by a star CAQ
    candidate that caused most damage when another allegation of Liberal corruption
    was offered up, an explosive issue Charest has been attempting to duck
    throughout the campaign.

    During a radio debate on the Montreal
    station 98.5 FM Wednesday morning, Jacques Duchesneau — known in the
    province as an anti-corruption hero — alleged that ministers within Charest’s
    Liberal government had been taken as guests aboard The Touch, a yacht owned by
    construction magnate and alleged fraudster Tony Accurso.

    Asked if the allegations, which date back to
    2009, were true, Duchesneau simply replied: “Yes.”

    The one word unleashed a storm of questions at a
    Liberal campaign stop in Saint-Romain. Charest responded by saying he heard
    about the allegations a few months ago and asked his ministers if it was true.

    “And the answer was ‘no,’ ” he said.

    “Why should we sit here and go through these
    hypothetical situations just because someone is lodging these false accusations
    deliberately to hurt people,” Charest said.

    He also fired back at the CAQ, referring to a
    news report that found Accurso paid for a $14,000 lunch with members of
    l’Action démocratique du Québec, the party from which the CAQ grew.

    Accurso is known in the province as the
    construction mogul at the centre of a nearly four-year-long corruption scandal.
    He was arrested earlier this month by the RCMP’s anti-corruption
    squad on allegations of federal income-tax evasion.

    Duchesneau is renown in Quebec for leaking his
    explosive government-ordered report into corruption and collusion in the
    construction industry, a move that forced Charest to call a public inquiry last
    October after two years of refusing. He has authored a second report, tabled to
    the Charbonneau Commission, that allegedly shows that 70 per cent of money
    raised by Quebec political parties has been done so illegally.

    Accurso denied in 2009 that the three Liberal
    minister had taken a ride on his yacht, contrary to allegations made at the
    time by Benôit Labonté, former Montreal city councillor, and Sylvie Roy, former
    ADQ deputy now running for the CAQ.

    CAQ leader François Legault said Wednesday
    afternoon he took no issue with his candidate’s comments but also had no way to
    know if there was any substance to the allegations.

    “I’ve said many times that since my first meeting
    with Mr. Duchesneau that I didn’t want to read his second report (alleging the
    PQ and Liberals were funded by illegal political donations) and that I didn’t
    want any information about what he discovered as head of the anti-collusion
    unit,” he told reporters. “I don’t know any more than you.”

    Legault said Duchesneau was ready to share more
    details about the allegation when he testified before the Charbonneau
    commission in June but the questions were never asked of the former Montreal
    police chief.

    Still, the CAQ leader refused to condemn his
    candidate’s decision to cast the allegation without offering proof.

    “Mr. Duchesneau was asked a direct question. He
    is someone who is frank, so he responded to the question. He isn’t comfortable
    lying, so he answered the question.”

    With files from Allan Woods in
    Saint-Bruno-de-Montarville, Que

  7. Well the Libs didn’t cause the deficit….we were in surplus under Martin. Nor did Libs get us mixed up in Libya or Mali…so it’s up to the Cons to solve that.

    I’m the leading edge of the babyboom….and only 66, so there is no intergenerational problem of health and pensions. The Cons made up the postponing of retirement age.

    First Nations….yes, that should be discussed, but the media has dropped the topic and everyone has moved along. Oil and crime are Con concerns.

    Why are we expecting these candidates to solve a whole series of minor problems? Old problems at that…..and they are ‘rich country’ problems in any case.

    We won’t be able to pick a suitable leader if this is all they talk about.

    What we need are national visions, an overarching plan….not a bunch of bandaids.

      • Canada’s GDP is 1.74 Trillion.

        So the debt is piffle.

        • Don’t be too harsh towards Emily, she’s just saying that our GDP is 2 1/2 times the national debt. Emily, Google “Oh Canada, the Movie”. Let me know what you think.

          • That’s one years GDP. The debt is piffle.

    • I thought that with age comes wisdom but you certainly put the lie to that.

      • You want old wisdom?

        ‘Where there is no vision, the people perish’

        • Sorry to burst your bubble em but its your socialist utopia which is gonna be the death of all of us.

          • Um….Jesus was a socialist.

            I am not.

          • Right… All those Socialist bankers had a lot to do with this current world wide economic crisis.

  8. THESE ARE THE REASONS WE CAN’T HAVE A LIBERALS GOVERNMENT THEY CAN’T BE TRUSTED & DON’T CARE ABOUT WORKING TAX PAYERS.

    tHEY PUT EVERYTA THEY CAN HST & CARBON TAXES & ANY OTHER TAX THEY CAN POSSIBLY FIND TO PUNISH WORKING PEOPLE TO GIVE IT TO LAZY USELESS PEOPLE REFUSING TO WORK

    Canada Revenue Agency
    fires six, suspends three in Montreal office

    Topics:

    Corruption, Construction
    industry, Canada
    Revenue Agency

    Rating:

    0

    Daniel Leblanc – December
    10, 2010

    The Canada Revenue Agency has
    fired six employees in Montreal and suspended three others without pay as part
    of a growing scandal into allegations that the tax-collection agency was
    infiltrated by rogue personnel.

    The controversy goes back to 2007, when information
    from a police investigation into the Mafia led the CRA to start looking into
    the activities of some of its employees. The government is releasing little
    information on the situation, in which millions of dollars in tax revenue are
    at stake.

    The CRA first revealed allegations of infiltration
    last year when it fired two people who are accused of interfering in tax audits
    of construction companies.

    This week, two construction companies pleaded
    guilty to committing $4-million in tax fraud by claiming non-deductible
    expenses such as the construction of a luxury yacht and jewellery purchases.
    The firms also submitted fake invoices from two shell companies that had
    benefited from inside help at the CRA, according to CRA and RCMP search
    warrants.

    On Friday, the CRA revealed the growing scope of
    the review into the activities of its office in Montreal, suggesting that the
    matter goes beyond the construction industry.

    “Since December 31, 2008, the Canada Revenue Agency
    has terminated the employment of six employees and suspended three employees
    without pay at the Montreal Tax Services Office for a variety of misconducts,”
    said Erin Filliter, a spokeswoman for Revenue Minister Keith Ashfield.

    “Any misconduct by CRA employees as alleged in
    these cases will not be tolerated. Our government is supportive of this
    investigation and will ensure that the CRA co-operates with all
    investigations,” she said.

    A federal source added the number of people
    involved in the alleged fraud might yet be higher, as investigators are also
    concerned about the activities of people who have retired from the CRA.

    The controversy is fuelling calls for a public
    inquiry into the construction industry in Quebec. Premier Jean Charest has
    refused, saying it is up to police and other authorities to punish anyone
    involved in wrongdoing. But critics are charging that this week’s guilty pleas
    by the construction firms prove that court cases won’t help the public
    understand how the wrongdoing occurred or who actually benefited.

    In the House of Commons on Friday, the Bloc
    Québécois said the recently exposed tax-evasion scheme was designed to provide
    large amounts of cash “to pay the personal expenses” of the administrators of
    the two construction firms that pleaded guilty, Simard-Beaudry Construction and
    Louisbourg Construction.

    “Now that it has gone after the companies that
    belong to [construction magnate] Tony Accurso, will the Canada Revenue Agency
    start looking into those who benefited from this money?” Bloc MP Diane
    Bourgeois asked in the House.

    Jacques Gourde, the parliamentary secretary to the
    minister of National Revenue, said that CRA employees must abide by a strict
    code of conduct.

    “Our government is committed to protecting its
    fiscal revenues from those who do not want to respect their obligations,” Mr.
    Gourde said.

    The CRA has said that between 2005 and 2007, three
    of Mr. Accurso’s companies “funnelled close to $4.5-million” to two shell
    companies that issued fake invoices. Earlier this year, the CRA laid
    tax-evasion charges against Frank Bruno, owner of construction firm B.T.
    Céramique, accusing him of providing the fake invoices.

    Court documents allege that when tax auditors
    started closing in on Mr. Bruno, one of his cousins, who worked for the CRA,
    proposed a “plan of action” to keep them at bay. According to the documents,
    Mr. Bruno opened a bank account containing $1.7-million in 2006 in the Bahamas
    with two CRA employees, including his cousin Adriano Furgiuele.

    In addition, court documents filed earlier this year show the CRA
    rejected more than $1-million in research and development tax credits that
    Simard-Beaudry and Louisbourg claimed in previous years. A search warrant said
    that Mr. Furgiuele’s brother Marcello was

  9. the funny thing about all these pundits and non supporters is,they always talk about how boring these debates are all the time,but they(pundits and non supporters) keep on watching them.not enough candidates,too many candidates,hes a nobody,shes a nobody.if i felt like all these pundits and non supporters) feel,i suggest,DONT ##$$IN WATCH IT ! so its a little hypocrital for non supporters and pundits to critisize.you dont have to look at it. LIBS really must be getting to these people.

    • I figure so. Yogi is having hysterics! LOL

      • better believe it batter than Xmas.
        Liberlas have so much corruption

        • No, you just make stuff up.

          • I source all facts. Always have.

          • Opinions from your deluded reality are not facts

          • Go be stupid elsewhere.

          • I don’t talk to Tree Monkeys….sorry. Ciao.

          • What a terrible thing to say about your family CIAO

    • it is entertaining, even for conservatives…Garneau loves to vacuum and Martha can’t cook…this is the best they can offer??

      • Harper breakfasting with his cat is fascinating though,

  10. The Liberals & NDP have always wanted as many as they could on welfare for their free votes

    Where are the equal Rights here?

    We have the group of hard working people tha Liberals want to add the carbon taxes on that would ruin the country & the HST would ruin people on fixed incomes.

    Then we have all the free loader on welfare who refuse to work.

    Liberlas reward free loaders & punish hard working people

    2 weeka ago monday The States had to call a meeting as they had no money left at all to pay out pensions or sivil servants salaries.

    Their debt ceiling is almost 17 trillion dollars & have never paid anything back on it.

    Yet they had to vote to raise the debt again in order to cover the pensions & salaries.

    This is only going to carry them until mid May when they will have no money again for anything.

    They along with all the countries are going to have to cut all welfare on able bodied men & women refusing to work.

    It is unsustainable.

    All kinds of countries in same boat Greece no money.

    Japan has the right idea & they are all going to have to o the same thing.

    Also multy billions given all the time to foreign aid & Liberals are pushing even more money.

    Trudeau in his speech for Liberal leader commented first about Harper’s deficit being huge.

    Then out of the other side of Trudeaus mouth he said Canada was a disgrace to the rest of the world as we weren’t giving enough money to them.

    Then Trudeau proceeded to say he would have steady housing going on for homeless & everyone else OUR MONEY NO DOUBT.

    More money for Natives already billions with no accountability our money.

    Then he said we needed the carbon tax.

    When we went to BC 4 years ago diesel was only $1.4.9.9 the day we left after the carbon tax it went to $1.59.9 making that $7.27.5 a gallon.

    Can you imagine the extra cost of everything we have to buy with semi’s havint to pay this amount for their trucks everyone would be out of business.

    Just so liberals could give more free loaders everything for nothing for their votes.

    Japan cuts dole to ensure work pays better than welfare!!!

    Japan distinguishes itself from the other economically advanced countries by caring for the principle that people who work should have more stuff than people who go on the welfare rolls. The Kyodo News Service reports: Welfare benefits will be slashed by ¥74 billion over a three-year period starting from fiscal 2013, after a government panel found that some people are making more on the dole than the average low-income person who is not spends on living costs, it was learned Sunday.The decision to lower standard benefit payments by 6.5 percent was made by welfare minister Norihisa Tamura and Finance…

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/…n_welfare.html

    • Quit spamming! No one cares about your anti-Liberal crusade…

      • Obviously you do or it wouldn’t bother you, Canada has freedom of speech.
        You Liberals have cheated & lied to get what ever you wanted as you never could play fair otherwise you wouldn’t win.
        If Liberals weren’t such liars & so much fraud & corruption in BC & Quebec they wouldn’t have to worry.
        They don’t like it when they get caught.
        So go cry in you beer & pray fo wonder boy Justin he will need it

      • The ones who don’t see the value in voting Liberal might disagree with your point of view.

        • Do you honestly find value in reading what appear to be totally irrelevant links pasted in all over the comment board? Wouldn’t it be interesting and even occasionally fun and edifying to actually have a dialogue with people who disagree with you? I find the fiendish cutting and pasting to be really boring and annoying to scroll past.

          • Not if what you choose to paste says all that needs to be said.

    • Is that you in there Mitt?

  11. Same thing the Liberals pushing Climate change their excuse to add the carbon tax to the already burdened families having trouble making end meet.

    Scientists proved 4 years ago Suzuki & Gore had fudged the numbers for their own personal gain not that of tax payers.

    They said the climate hadn’t changed in 20 years.

    Here’s proof I will believe them ahead of the lting liberals who want to rob the working people

    Climate shocker: Carry on as we are until 2050, planet will be FINE!!!

    Doubled CO2 means just 1.9°C warming, says Norwegian gov New research produced by a Norwegian government project, described as “truly sensational” by independent experts, indicates that humanity’s carbon emissions produce far less global warming than had been thought: so much so that there is no danger of producing warming beyond the IPCC upper safe limit of 2°C for many decades. “In our project we have worked on finding out the overall effect of all known feedback mechanisms,” says project manager Terje Berntsen, who is a professor at the University of Oslo’s Department of Geosciences and a senior research fellow at…

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/01…rming_shocker/

  12. Empty Suits….the reason you don’t hear anything about platforms, well thought out business plans or the direction they want to lead Canada…..they are just empty suits. These “so called progressive people”, like the NDP bitch a lot about everything they think is wrong in 15 second sound bites….but really have no positive direction or ideas of their own….they will eventually lead us back to their usual pork filled schemes like adscam so they can refill their empty political party coffers with large brown envelopes of cash from the seedy and crooked companies they do business with.

  13. I like Trudeau’s democratic reform platform, especially electoral reform. He supports Preferential Ballot Voting which upgrades our current system by requiring that MPs earn their seats with a majority. It’s the same system all federal parties use to elect their leaders.

    This stops the problem with vote splitting and prevents voters from getting saddled with politicians and governments they don’t want and didn’t vote for.

    “3. Enact Electoral Reform: I do not support proportional representation because I believe deeply that every Member of Parliament should represent actual Canadians and Canadian communities, not just political parties. I support a preferential ballot because I believe it will lead to a more substantive and civil debate during elections and a more representative government afterward.”

    http://justin.ca/democratic-reform-trusting-canadians/?utm_source=utm_source%

    • Ah yes, the need to fix the system to win! P Q says: When the Winning condition is right!

      • Nonsense. Almost all developed countries fixed their electoral systems decades ago. The reason? First-Past-the-Post didn’t produce democratic results in multi-party states.

        In a real democracy, a majority of voters is represented in government. Canada and the UK are the only developed nations that dole out absolute power to minority parties.

        While in opposition, Harper decried that FPTP produced a “benign dictatorship.” Of course, he’s perfectly Ok with it as long as he’s the “dictator.”

        No political party elects their leader with FPTP. All federal parties use Preferential Ballots. If slipshod FPTP is not good enough for political parties, it sure isn’t good enough to found our entire democracy on.

        • The lying cheating liberals couldn’t win an election if they didn’t have help cheating at election time with the help of CBC.
          CBC had all the votes going in favour of Liberals & were caught doing it & nothing was done.
          Then again that wasn’t enough so they targeted high Conservative ridings * got NDP to pull out their candidates in those ridings so they would have a better chance of winning
          .Chretien the liar taught all liberals well Chretien only reason he got in & I was stupid enough to fall for it promised to eliminate the GST & Lied

    • I liked it too. I particularly liked his call for no safe seats. If one or two of the parties enacted this we would see a real reduction in central party command and control, with good results for all Canadians. I see this package as a good start, and putting the country ahead of the party for once.

      • Libetrals would never go with anything straight like his buddy lying Chretien promised to eliminate the GST & then wouldn’t.

        You can’t believe a liberal of anything they will promise the moon until they get in there.

        It was the Liberals that were caught cheating along with CBC helping them at Federal Election time,

        Liberals would never win anything straight this is more BS coming from Trudeau’s mouth along with him hating Albertan’s much like his old man.

        Trudeau would ruin Alberta if he had his ways.

        Trudeau is much more suited to Quebec where Liberals for years have been taking kick backs & 6 of them were caught right in their Tax Revenue Office.

        TRUDEAU DID PROMISE US THE CARBON TAX DAM NICE OF HIM
        That is to punish the working people paying for everything

        Not one mention for seniors.

        Hospitals are all full of seniors with no place to go.
        Senior care homes are all full.

        NO MONEY FOR OUR OWN SENIORS BUT MOUTHY TRUDEAU CAN MOUTH UP ABOUT NOT ENOUGH MONEY GOING ALL OVER THE WORLD.
        TAKE THIS MOUTH PIECE BACK TO QUEBEC WHERE HE BELONGS WITH ALL THE OTHER LIBERAL FRAUD & CORRUPTIONWE DON’T NEED ANY MORE QUEBEC ONES ROBBING US
        Yet Trudeau’s big mouth saying how disgraceful Canada is with the rest of the world for not giving more money to them.

        WE DON’T GIVE A DAM ABOUT THE REST OF THE WORLD WE HAVE OUR OWN PEOLE TO LOOK AFTER.
        TRUDEAU GIVE YOUR OWN DAM MONEY TO THEM THAT YOUR OLD MAQN RIPPED OFF FROMUS WHEN HE WAS IN POWER.
        TRUDEAUS, KENNEDY’S DOES THAT RING A BELL

        LIberals & NDP punish working people taxing them to death so they can give everything free to useless lazy ones demanding everything free.

        Then he said enough money wasn’t going out to foreign aid there needed to be a lot more,after critizing Harper of too huge a deficit hypocrit Liberal.

        Trudeau also promised new houses for homeless ones also wont work typical of liberals & NDP & houses for everyone else who won’t work all on the backs of hard working people

        • Normally I read responses whether I disagree with them or not. But for you I make an exception. You’re on express delete. Now rant elsewhere please. I am not reading beyond your first sentence. Could I be any clearer?

    • “Canada belongs to Quebec”….Justin’s own words…..this pretty much tells the entire story. If we look at how it all started. It’s wasy to see how his father had one agenda, and that was to make sure the french of Canada benefited, while the ROC would succumb to their needs and desires. Ask yourself this important question, how long did it take this genius to rid the province of Quebec and the ROC of the destruction and carnage of the FLQ? “Just watch me”, sure after all the damage was done.

    • “Democratic”…Justin, like his father, never knew the true meaning of the word, nor was/is it practiced and respected on a regular basis.

      • I hesitate to ask for an example of how his father was I undemocratic, and why that should have anything to do with the son. Asking for logical input from you Guys iis akin to asking for true accountability from Harper.
        Just because you didn’t like him doesn’t make PET I democratic. Distinctions matter in logical argument , just like everything else in life. Opinion doesn’t equal fact bud.

        • Read it for yourself. I am more than positive you can find more examples just doing a simple search through Google.–http://www2.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=0c1b3dca-544a-45d8-8ce3-f577f9cb43a6&p=3

          • Old news. I haven’t read the Nemnis’s book yet; but I hate to break it to you but Trudeau left them his papers, they were friends of his. Iows he knew what he was doing. I don’t deny any of that stuff. The larger point is he came to realize he was wrong. It’s the reason he was so hard on the separatists.

        • His relationship, not to mention, his friendship with Castro.

          • So what? This old old news and none of the details were hidden. Trudeau also went to China before Nixon. Are you calling Nixon a commie?

    • the only time we hear this is when liberals lose…when in a majority gov’t, not a peep about this nonsense

  14. Fair comment JGs, but the party is in third place, not exactly running to take over the running of the country next week.

    This format seemed to go down well with most of the liberals who followed it on line[ like me] even though i was skeptical before hand. Undeniable is that there are too many candidates out there for any real chance at real debate. One or two or better yet three or four are going to have to realize they haven’t a lot of hope. The only real contenders imo are in order[my picks so far...Trudeau, MHF, Garneau/Cauchon, and Murray as the dark horse]
    A return to true debate format is likely to be in the cards, particularly if someone drops off.
    Strangely JG you missed the biggest surprise for me…JT’s democratic reform package, which includes a call for no safe seats, which i think is really bold. That one left me a little stunned. I don’t know if anyone saw it coming. Don’t know if it will be a big vote getter – but it’s the right thing to do anyway.

    A number of liberals tried their best, helped out by J. Murray’s appearance on APTN, to get the incredibly obtuse decision to not talk about FNs issues – in Winnipeg of all places – rescinded, but it was too late by then. The excuse was it was on the agenda in Vancouver…duh.Someone in the party has a red face right about now. I’ll bet dollars to doughnuts they don’t do that again. Ironically the appearance of idlenomore got all the candidates mentioning it anyway.

  15. Oh come on Macleans, enough is enough. For goodness sake send this spammer Yogi packing, please!

    • One of the reasons why this site has gone downhill is that anti-Harper people like yourself have refused to insist that the troll they call Emily be kicked out of here. You tolerate her message of rude, bigoted, and irrational behavior for years and then a few reminders from yogi that Liberals should be called out on their hypocrisy has your knickers in a knot. Your anti-Harper campaign typically causes poor judgement on your part—you may want to do something about that.

      Just answer one question yogi poses. Why does Trudeau complain about the Canadian deficit the past few years and then 2 minutes later propose that we massively increase our foreign aid and social spending—Because he is an economic idiot ?

      • I can’t be bothered to read hundreds of words of spam. He needs an editor. E is at least brief. I rarely agree with all of most of her opinions, but unlike you I don’t regard myself as a kind of blog cop – yogi is an exception.
        Funny thing about guys who can’t self analyse ( like you) they call on others to do something they can’t do themselves. When I see you call out a Con for trolling or being rude or anything else, at that point I’ll reciprocate.
        And where has Trudeau called for a massive increase in social and foreign spending whie demanding the deficit be lowered ? 5 minutes ago you were claiming he doesn’t have. any policy ideas. Consistency isn’t your bag really.

    • Don’t like it eh kcm2 when your beloved Liberals are criticized eh!

      • Actually I thought you were smarter than that. You know as well as I do the guy is spamming. Ask yourself if you would be happy if he was dissing Harper in this way? What is he adding to the conversation?

        • He/She has the right to make whatever comments he/she wants. I know you don’t like it but that is not the point is it? I am use to people like you dissing anything and everything Harper says or does so I have developed a pretty thick skin since 06.

  16. I see a lot of Justin Trudeau shills on this site. The guy is a big mouth in an empty suit. He is the last thing this country needs.

    • Trudeau fans remind me of the screaming pre-teens at a Bieber concert same maturity level

      • Mature comment. So deep…so…original.

        • Does your wannabe critic job pay higher than your welfare cheque

          • Your first effort was better. Which ain’t say’n much.

          • Better than anything of yours

          • Sorry, i think you forgot to add the insult.

          • Ain’t sayin’ much……just sayin’

          • Your first comment was better

      • The once “natural ruling party” isn’t even a shadow of it’s former self, the lights are out, the fat lady has sung.

      • When a party allows 14 year old to vote for a leader that says it all.

    • A vote for the Lib’s means a vote for the rights and interests of Quebec, and to hell with the ROC.

    • That’s pretty funny. We’re automatically shills and your post is the very model of balanced thoughtful rebuttal . Why is it über partisans are so myopic and irony deficient?

        • Where’s the popcorn?

        • Your welcome

      • It seems the relatively new MP who is a drama teacher and the opposition critic for sport gets way more adoration than a physicist who has accomphished something by going to space or a hard worker from Toronto who has a policy statement on everything, or a respected military leader etc etc

        So there are a lot of shills because support is built on fluff. Go ahead elect the guy, make our day, there is no way he will survive an election as leader. The others will not win but they have the possibility of reviving the Liberals long term.

        • If it was a case of choosing the smartest or most qualified guy Harper wouldn’t be PM either. You’re probably one of the guys who thought the senator would clean his clock too. So go ahead underestimate the guy to death. He doesn’t have to be perfect, just better than Harper.
          These dass it’s who has the best Organisation anyway. So yes the LP. Has a Lot of work to do.

  17. Two etiquette notes:

    1. Everyone here is welcome to admire whatever politician they like. And everyone here is equally welcome to dislike any politician. It would be really great if everyone here spent less time calling other commenters names for their opinions. In particular, I think people are way too quick to imply that commenters are assigned or even paid by political parties to write here. It’s insulting to assume that somebody’s opinion isn’t their own, simply because you don’t share it. Much of the incivility on these comment boards would go away if each of you would simply recognize others’ right to disagree with you.

    In most cases, you shouldn’t assume the problem is somebody else’s big mouth. It’s often your own. Besides, your own big mouth is the only one you can hope to control. So give it a try.

    2. Write what you like here in your own words, but if you cut and paste a bunch of articles from elsewhere, you’re abusing the comment board. At some point — and that point will be perfectly arbitrary — we ban commenters who abuse others’ patience.

    • OOoo, the etiquette policeman is here. Its free speech, if someone wants to insult me and call me names that is their choice, but it says more about them than me and if I chose to respond usually they are made to look like the fools they are.

      And sometimes I am that fool, but that is democracy and free speech.

    • I should add that using real profanity should not be allowed, as that is just crude speech and is childish, and we should be adults. But calling something Sh is not profanity or crude, calling a person that is.

    • Well, you`ve been way too patient for way too long IMO.

  18. Come On!! We all know narcissistic Justin will win. The Liberals are a snob party and they have a death wish. Was this boring thing out of Winnipeg intended to detract from the other candidates..They are so gutless to allow the party to get their wish without an argument. A party made up of fuddle diddles

  19. They need an urgent trip to “OZ” so MHF gets JT charisma or JT gets MHF brains ; )

  20. Liberals are done, the photo looks like they are broke, a couple of too short banners thrown over some coat racks with flags borrowed from the lobby of the convention center.

    And too few lights.

    If not broke, incompetent.

  21. LIBERALS LOVE TO ROB THE WORKING PEOPLE

    When British Columbians rejected the Harmonized Sales Tax in the 2011 referendum,
    they were promised things would go back to the provincial sales tax normal.

    But an independent panel has recommended adding taxes to things that virtually every B.C. family
    buys — a plan that will increase our already sky-high cost of living.

    The report from the Expert Panel on B.C.’s Business Tax Competitiveness includes recommendations

    for adding the seven-per-cent PST to basic telephone and cable-television service, snack foods

    and school supplies — items that all used to be exempt.

    It’s a $159-million tax grab, even if the government follows another panel recommendation

    to give $25 million more in sales-tax credits to lower-income families.

    Ask a parent about the cost of school supplies, and you will likely hear it’s a major struggle

    every September to get items on the ever-growing supply list.

    It’s not just pencils and notebooks anymore; schools ask parents to purchase emergency supplies

    like foil blankets, light sticks, tissue, water and food.

    Adding another seven per cent of tax to those purchases will make things even worse.

    The panel claims it’s unfair to satellite television users to tax them but not tax cable.

    They also say telecommunication bundling makes it difficult to collect the tax.

    No arguments here, but instead of recommending a tax cut for satellite subscribers,

    they want to spread the misery to all.

    They’re also after your Smarties.

    While some suggest that taxing snack food will curb obesity, neither research nor practice has

    bore that out.

    Even leading B.C. doctors agree that taxing snack food will do little, and that it is incredibly

    difficult to implement.

    “Research actually shows little correlation between individual behaviours and body weight:

    many who seldom consume such foods are overweight while many who do, are not,” said Dr. Paul Mart

    iquet, an adjunct professor at the University of B.C.’s school of medicine and the medical health

    officer for Powell River, Sunshine Coast, Sea to Sky, Bella Bella and Bella Coola.

    Added Dr. Lloyd Oppel, chairman of the B.C. Medical Association’s council on health promotion:

    “I think it would be difficult to draw up a list of things that were truly bad versus things that

    are truly good and be able to implement a tax on that basis.”

    Denmark tried a food tax but killed it after one year, noting it increased prices and administration

    costs and put Danish jobs at risk. Many Danes were crossing the border into Germany to avoid the

    tax all together.

    Even the ministry of finance officials assigned to crunch the numbers for the tax panel knew this

    was simply a tax grab.

    In a note unearthed by a Freedom of Information Act request, bureaucrats called the snack-food

    tax, “purely a revenue measure,” and remarked that it would be very complex to implement.

    Whether HST supporters like it or not, the public spoke and the PST is coming back.

    It’s not a great tax, but it’s the one democracy wants.

    Altering exemptions now will be ignoring the referendum results and raise the anger of already

    overtaxed B.C. residents.

    Adding PST to previously non-taxable items is a tax grab, plain and simple, and will increase tax

    burden and cost of living, two things British Columbians are already groaning under.

    If this burden is as important to the government as they claim, Finance Minister

    Michael de Jong must reject those proposals.

    Jordan Bateman is B.C. director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation
    .
    Ed NOTE: An earlier version of this column erroneously referred to Dr. Lloyd Oppel as head of the

    B.C. Medical Association.

  22. Premier Jean Charest speaks at a rally in his riding of Sherbrooke, on July 31, 2012.REUTERS

    video

    HYPERLINK “http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/news-video/video-quebec-election-off-to-heated-start/article4456691/?from=4471076″ o “Video: Quebec election off to heated start” Video: Quebec election off to heated start

    On Thursday, the RCMP took four men into custody in connection with the probe, including a central figure in the recent political scandals in Quebec, construction magnate Antonio Accurso.

    In April, a provincial anti-corruption squad arrested and charged Mr. Accurso in a separate probe into public contracts in the town of Mascouche, north of Montreal.

    Allegations that construction tycoons are cozy with politicians have been a backdrop of Quebec municipal and provincial politics in recent years, a recurring headache for Premier Jean Charest, who is now in the midst of an election campaign.

    But the latest arrests underline that the problem also reaches the federal level, with allegations of rogue auditors at the CRA’s Montreal office.

    Mr. Accurso, Mr. Bruno, his accountant, Francesco Fiorino, and Mr. Bruno’s cousin, Adriano Furgiuele, a former CRA auditor, will each be charged with six counts of conspiracy, fraud, forgery and breach of trust, police say. They are to appear in court on Sept. 19.

    Mr. Bruno and Mr. Accurso are alleged to have used bogus invoices and created a fictitious person living abroad to evade tax on more than $3-million, RCMP spokesman Corporal Luc Thibault said.

    The scheme is alleged to have taken place between April, 2007, and July, 2009.

    According to previously filed court documents, the investigation, code-named Project Coche, is a continuation of a 2006 police probe into the Montreal Mafia.

    As a result, the documents say, the CRA executed several search warrants in 2008 and found the “Plan of Action” at Mr. Fiorino’s office.

    A search warrant says the paper was prepared by Mr. Furgiuele and outlined how a numbered company owned by Mr. Bruno, 3703436 Canada Inc., could evade taxes.

    The search warrant says the numbered company claimed it received loans from a European firm for which it did not have to pay taxes. The warrant adds that the European company did not exist. The court filing also alleged that 3703436 Canada Inc. issued fake invoices to three construction firms owned by Mr. Accurso.

    According to court documents previously filed by the CRA, Mr. Bruno opened a bank account containing $1.7-million in 2006 in the Bahamas with two CRA employees, including his cousin, Mr. Furgiuele.

    Other court documents obtained last year by Radio-Canada and The Globe and Mail show that the RCMP was investigating whether Mr. Bruno received lax auditing by offering perks to CRA staff such as trips, home renovations, and wining and dining in a luxury box at a Montreal Canadiens game.

    Mr. Bruno and his construction company, B.T. Céramique, pleaded guilty last year to tax evasion and were fined $1.3-million. However, no charges had been laid until now in connection with the allegations of corruption of civil servants.

    The CRA has fired at least six employees and suspended three others in the case.

    “The CRA takes the situation at the Montreal tax services office very seriously. Today’s arrests demonstrate the strong action that has been taken in regard to these allegations,” spokesman Noël Carisse said in an e-mail.

    He confirmed Mr. Furgiuele is no longer employed by the CRA, but wouldn’t comment further.

    Previous court filings also allege that the RCMP search at B.T. Céramique’s offices uncovered copies of an internal CRA document alleging that a shopping centre Mr. Accurso owned had not declared revenues.

    The three copies were not supposed to be removed from the federal agency, and their disappearance meant “the information was no longer at the disposal of the CRA,” the search warrant states.

    Less than four months ago, Mr. Accurso was among 14 people arrested in a separate case over allegations of corruption in Mascouche. He was charged with fraud, conspiracy, municipal corruption, breach of trust and defrauding the government.

    In 2010, two construction companies that Mr. Accurso had administered, Simard-Beaudry Construction Inc. and Louisbourg Construction Ltd., pleaded guilty to committing $4-million in tax fraud.

    According to an agreed statement of fact presented in court, the two companies submitted $19-million in non-deductible expenses, including $1.7-million for the construction of a luxury yacht.

    The yacht, called Touch, has gold faucets and a six-person hot tub. It has been used by Mr. Accurso to host elected officials and union leaders.

  23. “http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/02/01/harper-marois-to-hold-private-meeting-in-quebec-today/” l “#”

    All liberals ever new was to lie Chretien promised to eliminate the GST & lied to us.

    Paul Martin ripped us off billions by putting his ships off shore so he wouldn’t have to pay canadians taxes or hire any canadians.

    Bob Rae bankrupt Ontario then when NDP no longer wanted him he went to Liberals so he could rob us some more.

    Liberals robbbed 8 billion dollars from the EI benefits that was there for unemployed worker & wouldn’t give it to them then pretended they had a surplus of 8 billion dollars.

    Liberals totally gutted the Health care System when they were in power, they were broke so they closed hospitals, cut dontors & nurses.

    Liberals totally gutted the military budget.

    Liberals wouldn’t even buy our troops new uniforms & sent them out to fight for our country in BRIGHT GREEN UNIFORMS IN THE DESERT TALK ABOUT SITTING TARGETS

    Liberals as if that wasn’t bad enough to do to our troops, they cancelled all the new helicopters that had millions paid down on them & sent them our to fight in rusted out garbage.

    Liberals once again were totally broke & bought rusted out subs for our troops that caught fire when they tried to bring them home.

    Liberals sponsorship scandal.

    Liberals totally had gutted all our money as like the NDP they believe in rewarding People who refuse to work with welfare for their own personal good.

    IT IS UNSUSTAINABLE TO HAVE HUGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE RECIEVING WELFARE WHO ARE TOO LAZY TO WORK FOR A LIVING.

    WELFARE HAS BANKRUPT SO MANY COUNTRIES IT HAS TO STOP

    Liberals all they ever wanted to do was to add as many taxes as they could to working people like HST & Carbon taxes that would ruin the country.

    Liberals & NDP then give everything free to people who refuse to work for nothing in exchange for their votes they don’t care about the ones who work & PAY everything they would rather punish working people.

    2 Weeks ago the States had to call a meeting they had no money to pay pension cheques or civil servant wages.

    They voted once again even though no money has been paid back on the deficit to add the debt ceiling once more they now have money until mid May when again they won’t have money.

    You can’t keep borrowing & not pay anything back as they are doing, Greece same thing no money.

    ALL GOVERNMENTS EVERYWHERE ARE GOPING TO HAVE TO CUT EVERYONE OFF WELFARE THERE ARE TOO MANY TAKERS & NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE WORKING TO SUPPORT THE HUGE INCREASE IN LAZY PEOPLE ABUSING THE SYSTEM THAT LIBERALS & NDP LIKE TO GIVE IN EXCHANGE FOR THEIR VOTES.

    They are going to have to do the same as Japan

    Japan cuts dole to ensure work pays better than welfare!!!

    Japan distinguishes itself from the other economically advanced countries by caring for the principle that people who work should have more stuff than people who go on the welfare rolls. The Kyodo News Service reports: Welfare benefits will be slashed by ¥74 billion over a three-year period starting from fiscal 2013, after a government panel found that some people are making more on the dole than the average low-income person who is not spends on living costs, it was learned Sunday.The decision to lower standard benefit payments by 6.5 percent was made by welfare minister Norihisa Tamura and Finance… 

    “http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/02/01/harper-marois-to-hold-private-meeting-in-quebec-today/” l “#”

    All liberals ever new was to lie Chretien promised to eliminate the GST & lied to us.

    Paul Martin ripped us off billions by putting his ships off shore so he wouldn’t have to pay canadians taxes or hire any canadians.

    Bob Rae bankrupt Ontario then when NDP no longer wanted him he went to Liberals so he could rob us some more.

    Liberals robbbed 8 billion dollars from the EI benefits that was there for unemployed worker & wouldn’t give it to them then pretended they had a surplus of 8 billion dollars.

    Liberals totally gutted the Health care System when they were in power, they were broke so they closed hospitals, cut dontors & nurses.

    Liberals totally gutted the military budget.

    Liberals wouldn’t even buy our troops new uniforms & sent them out to fight for our country in BRIGHT GREEN UNIFORMS IN THE DESERT TALK ABOUT SITTING TARGETS

    Liberals as if that wasn’t bad enough to do to our troops, they cancelled all the new helicopters that had millions paid down on them & sent them our to fight in rusted out garbage.

    Liberals once again were totally broke & bought rusted out subs for our troops that caught fire when they tried to bring them home.

    Liberals sponsorship scandal.

    Liberals totally had gutted all our money as like the NDP they believe in rewarding People who refuse to work with welfare for their own personal good.

    IT IS UNSUSTAINABLE TO HAVE HUGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE RECIEVING WELFARE WHO ARE TOO LAZY TO WORK FOR A LIVING.

    WELFARE HAS BANKRUPT SO MANY COUNTRIES IT HAS TO STOP

    Liberals all they ever wanted to do was to add as many taxes as they could to working people like HST & Carbon taxes that would ruin the country.

    Liberals & NDP then give everything free to people who refuse to work for nothing in exchange for their votes they don’t care about the ones who work & PAY everything they would rather punish working people.

    2 Weeks ago the States had to call a meeting they had no money to pay pension cheques or civil servant wages.

    They voted once again even though no money has been paid back on the deficit to add the debt ceiling once more they now have money until mid May when again they won’t have money.

    You can’t keep borrowing & not pay anything back as they are doing, Greece same thing no money.

    ALL GOVERNMENTS EVERYWHERE ARE GOPING TO HAVE TO CUT EVERYONE OFF WELFARE THERE ARE TOO MANY TAKERS & NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE WORKING TO SUPPORT THE HUGE INCREASE IN LAZY PEOPLE ABUSING THE SYSTEM THAT LIBERALS & NDP LIKE TO GIVE IN EXCHANGE FOR THEIR VOTES.

    They are going to have to do the same as Japan

    Japan cuts dole to ensure work pays better than welfare!!!

    Japan distinguishes itself from the other economically advanced countries by caring for the principle that people who work should have more stuff than people who go on the welfare rolls. The Kyodo News Service reports: Welfare benefits will be slashed by ¥74 billion over a three-year period starting from fiscal 2013, after a government panel found that some people are making more on the dole than the average low-income person who is not spends on living costs, it was learned Sunday.The decision to lower standard benefit payments by 6.5 percent was made by welfare minister Norihisa Tamura and Finance…

  24. “http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/02/01/harper-marois-to-hold-private-meeting-in-quebec-today/” l “#”

    All liberals ever new was to lie Chretien promised to eliminate the GST & lied to us.

    Paul Martin ripped us off billions by putting his ships off shore so he wouldn’t have to pay canadians taxes or hire any canadians.

    Bob Rae bankrupt Ontario then when NDP no longer wanted him he went to Liberals so he could rob us some more.

    Liberals robbbed 8 billion dollars from the EI benefits that was there for unemployed worker & wouldn’t give it to them then pretended they had a surplus of 8 billion dollars.

    Liberals totally gutted the Health care System when they were in power, they were broke so they closed hospitals, cut dontors & nurses.

    Liberals totally gutted the military budget.

    Liberals wouldn’t even buy our troops new uniforms & sent them out to fight for our country in BRIGHT GREEN UNIFORMS IN THE DESERT TALK ABOUT SITTING TARGETS

    Liberals as if that wasn’t bad enough to do to our troops, they cancelled all the new helicopters that had millions paid down on them & sent them our to fight in rusted out garbage.

    Liberals once again were totally broke & bought rusted out subs for our troops that caught fire when they tried to bring them home.

    Liberals sponsorship scandal.

    Liberals totally had gutted all our money as like the NDP they believe in rewarding People who refuse to work with welfare for their own personal good.

    IT IS UNSUSTAINABLE TO HAVE HUGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE RECIEVING WELFARE WHO ARE TOO LAZY TO WORK FOR A LIVING.

    WELFARE HAS BANKRUPT SO MANY COUNTRIES IT HAS TO STOP

    Liberals all they ever wanted to do was to add as many taxes as they could to working people like HST & Carbon taxes that would ruin the country.

    Liberals & NDP then give everything free to people who refuse to work for nothing in exchange for their votes they don’t care about the ones who work & PAY everything they would rather punish working people.

    2 Weeks ago the States had to call a meeting they had no money to pay pension cheques or civil servant wages.

    They voted once again even though no money has been paid back on the deficit to add the debt ceiling once more they now have money until mid May when again they won’t have money.

    You can’t keep borrowing & not pay anything back as they are doing, Greece same thing no money.

    ALL GOVERNMENTS EVERYWHERE ARE GOPING TO HAVE TO CUT EVERYONE OFF WELFARE THERE ARE TOO MANY TAKERS & NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE WORKING TO SUPPORT THE HUGE INCREASE IN LAZY PEOPLE ABUSING THE SYSTEM THAT LIBERALS & NDP LIKE TO GIVE IN EXCHANGE FOR THEIR VOTES.

    They are going to have to do the same as Japan

    Japan cuts dole to ensure work pays better than welfare!!!

    Japan distinguishes itself from the other economically advanced countries by caring for the principle that people who work should have more stuff than people who go on the welfare rolls. The Kyodo News Service reports: Welfare benefits will be slashed by ¥74 billion over a three-year period starting from fiscal 2013, after a government panel found that some people are making more on the dole than the average low-income person who is not spends on living costs, it was learned Sunday.The decision to lower standard benefit payments by 6.5 percent was made by welfare minister Norihisa Tamura and Finance…

  25. Chiasson / THE CANADIAN PRESS file photo

    Quebec construction magnate Tony Accurso, seen in April 2012, was arrested earlier this month by the RCMP’s anti-corruption squad on allegations of federal income-tax evasion.

    By:Wendy GillisStaff Reporter, Published on Wed Aug 29 2012

    Explore This Story

    1 SHERBROOKE, QUE.—In his home riding for the fifth time this election campaign, Quebec premier Jean Charest seemed to think if he said it enough, he could make it so.

    “We will form a majority government,” he repeated to a small gathering of supporters at a Sherbrooke hotel Wednesday. “I will be the representative in Sherbrooke.”

    Given the polls — the most recent putting him in third behind the front-running Parti Québécois and the Coalition Avenir Québec — and the stiff competition from the PQ’s Sherbrooke candidate, Serge Cardin, the predictions could come off as overconfident.

    But they were especially rosy considering the trying day for the embattled party as election day draws closer.

    HYPERLINK “http://www.thestar.com/topic/quebecelectionFull%20coverage%20of%20the%20Quebec%20Election” t “_blank” More:

    A booing crowd of about 40 demonstrators outside a press conference Wednesday afternoon — who prompted the cancellation of a campaign stop at a Sherbrooke market — was not a welcome sight.

    But it was an accusation hurled by a star CAQ candidate that caused most damage when another allegation of Liberal corruption was offered up, an explosive issue Charest has been attempting to duck throughout the campaign.

    During a radio debate on the HYPERLINK “http://www.thestar.com/image/1237346–jacques-duchesneau” t “_blank” Montreal station 98.5 FM Wednesday morning, Jacques Duchesneau — known in the province as an anti-corruption hero — alleged that ministers within Charest’s Liberal government had been taken as guests aboard The Touch, a yacht owned by construction magnate and alleged fraudster Tony Accurso.

    Asked if the allegations, which date back to 2009, were true, Duchesneau simply replied: “Yes.”

    The one word unleashed a storm of questions at a Liberal campaign stop in Saint-Romain. Charest responded by saying he heard about the allegations a few months ago and asked his ministers if it was true.

    “And the answer was ‘no,’ ” he said.

    “Why should we sit here and go through these hypothetical situations just because someone is lodging these false accusations deliberately to hurt people,” Charest said.

    He also fired back at the CAQ, referring to a news report that found Accurso paid for a $14,000 lunch with members of l’Action démocratique du Québec, the party from which the CAQ grew.

    Accurso is known in the province as the construction mogul at the centre of a nearly four-year-long corruption scandal. He was HYPERLINK “http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1239308–tony-accurso-arrested-on-allegations-of-tax-evasion” t “_blank” arrested earlier this month by the RCMP’s anti-corruption squad on allegations of federal income-tax evasion.

    Duchesneau is renown in Quebec for leaking his explosive government-ordered report into corruption and collusion in the construction industry, a move that forced Charest to call a public inquiry last October after two years of refusing. He has authored a second report, tabled to the Charbonneau Commission, that allegedly shows that 70 per cent of money raised by Quebec political parties has been done so illegally.

    Accurso denied in 2009 that the three Liberal minister had taken a ride on his yacht, contrary to allegations made at the time by Benôit Labonté, former Montreal city councillor, and Sylvie Roy, former ADQ deputy now running for the CAQ.

    CAQ leader François Legault said Wednesday afternoon he took no issue with his candidate’s comments but also had no way to know if there was any substance to the allegations.

    “I’ve said many times that since my first meeting with Mr. Duchesneau that I didn’t want to read his second report (alleging the PQ and Liberals were funded by illegal political donations) and that I didn’t want any information about what he discovered as head of the anti-collusion unit,” he told reporters. “I don’t know any more than you.”

    Legault said Duchesneau was ready to share more details about the allegation when he testified before the Charbonneau commission in June but the questions were never asked of the former Montreal police chief.

    Still, the CAQ leader refused to condemn his candidate’s decision to cast the allegation without offering proof.

    “Mr. Duchesneau was asked a direct question. He is someone who is frank, so he responded to the question. He isn’t comfortable lying, so he answered the question.”

    With files from Allan Woods in Saint-Bruno-de-Montarville, Que

  26. in British Columbia indicated that government officials responsible for the procurement process ( tender and bidding process) lack the required experience in relation to the commercial construction process.

    Many who did have the experience retired or moved onto the private sector. Government officials often failed to follow their own procurement policies. ( I have explored this in detail on a previous post, where a source revealed to me that often, the officials in charge of a project will rely on employees of a bidding company for direction, via hiring them as a consultant in the process. Fairness reviewers deemed with examining the bid process for fairness, are often seen as being in a perceived conflict via work with the government on other projects- Laila)

    It is simply not acceptable, nor is it in the publics interest, to allow often incompetent, and more often unethical business practices to continue within the B.C. government. It absolutely must stop.

    In 2010, in following final ruling of the decade long Tercon vs. British Columbia court case, I said the following:

    “.. What is needed is a full and independent inquiry into the actions of the government then, and now, to reveal the truth of what is going on in that portfolio. If the government intends to stand by its claim of administering an honest and open government with integrity, let it start with the Basi-Virk trial upon our doorstep, and end with the Tercon Judgement. The integrity of the entire bidding process, the future of local industry in our province, and what little faith we may have remaining in our elected officials, depends on it.”

    That was 2010. As we know, the Basi-Virk trial was shut down faster than a bear trap snaps its victim, and while Vaughn Palmer picked up the Tercon story, the government denied and ignored any lingering questions.

    Two years later, we find ourselves with a premier who campaigned on bringing open government to the people and then quickly revealed herself as being more secretive than Campbell ever was. A premier who mandates transparency and accountability to ensure tax dollars are being spent wisely to give British Columbians a better quality of life… but applies that mandate selectively, targeting her foes and protecting her friends.

    I say now, that this report bolsters and supports my repeated calls for a full investigation and public inquiry into the public procurement process within all ministries of the government of British Columbia, and the sooner the better.

    To do anything other, is to condone corruption within government by our elected officials -a concept which should have never been tolerable in the first place.

  27. When British Columbians rejected the Harmonized Sales Tax in the 2011 referendum,

    they were promised things would go back to the provincial sales tax normal.

    But an independent panel has recommended adding taxes to things that virtually every B.C.

    family buys — a plan that will increase our already sky-high cost of living.

    The report from the Expert Panel on B.C.’s Business Tax Competitiveness includes recommendations

    for adding the seven-per-cent PST to basic telephone and cable-television service, snack foods

    and school supplies — items that all used to be exempt.

    It’s a $159-million tax grab, even if the government follows another panel recommendation

    to give $25 million more in sales-tax credits to lower-income families.

    Ask a parent about the cost of school supplies, and you will likely hear it’s a major struggle

    every September to get items on the ever-growing supply list.

    It’s not just pencils and notebooks anymore; schools ask parents to purchase emergency supplies

    like foil blankets, light sticks, tissue, water and food.

    Adding another seven per cent of tax to those purchases will make things even worse.

    The panel claims it’s unfair to satellite television users to tax them but not tax cable.

    They also say telecommunication bundling makes it difficult to collect the tax.

    No arguments here, but instead of recommending a tax cut for satellite subscribers,

    they want to spread the misery to all.

    They’re also after your Smarties.

    While some suggest that taxing snack food will curb obesity, neither research nor practice has

    bore that out.

    Even leading B.C. doctors agree that taxing snack food will do little, and that it is incredibly

    difficult to implement.

    “Research actually shows little correlation between individual behaviours and body weight:

    many who seldom consume such foods are overweight while many who do, are not,” said Dr. Paul Mart

    iquet, an adjunct professor at the University of B.C.’s school of medicine and the medical health

    officer for Powell River, Sunshine Coast, Sea to Sky, Bella Bella and Bella Coola.

    Added Dr. Lloyd Oppel, chairman of the B.C. Medical Association’s council on health promotion:

    “I think it would be difficult to draw up a list of things that were truly bad versus things that

    are truly good and be able to implement a tax on that basis.”

    Denmark tried a food tax but killed it after one year, noting it increased prices and administration

    costs and put Danish jobs at risk. Many Danes were crossing the border into Germany to avoid the

    tax all together.

    Even the ministry of finance officials assigned to crunch the numbers for the tax panel knew this

    was simply a tax grab.

    In a note unearthed by a Freedom of Information Act request, bureaucrats called the snack-food

    tax, “purely a revenue measure,” and remarked that it would be very complex to implement.

    Whether HST supporters like it or not, the public spoke and the PST is coming back.

    It’s not a great tax, but it’s the one democracy wants.

    Altering exemptions now will be ignoring the referendum results and raise the anger of already

    overtaxed B.C. residents.

    Adding PST to previously non-taxable items is a tax grab, plain and simple, and will increase tax

    burden and cost of living, two things British Columbians are already groaning under.

    If this burden is as important to the government as they claim, Finance Minister

    Michael de Jong must reject those proposals.

    Jordan Bateman is B.C. director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation
    .
    Ed NOTE: An earlier version of this column erroneously referred to Dr. Lloyd Oppel as head of the

    B.C. Medical Association.

  28. “http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/02/01/harper-marois-to-hold-private-meeting-in-quebec-today/” l “#”

    All liberals ever new was to lie Chretien promised to eliminate the GST & lied to us.

    Paul Martin ripped us off billions by putting his ships off shore so he wouldn’t have to pay canadians taxes or hire any canadians.

    Bob Rae bankrupt Ontario then when NDP no longer wanted him he went to Liberals so he could rob us some more.

    Liberals robbbed 8 billion dollars from the EI benefits that was there for unemployed worker & wouldn’t give it to them then pretended they had a surplus of 8 billion dollars.

    Liberals totally gutted the Health care System when they were in power, they were broke so they closed hospitals, cut dontors & nurses.

    Liberals totally gutted the military budget.

    Liberals wouldn’t even buy our troops new uniforms & sent them out to fight for our country in BRIGHT GREEN UNIFORMS IN THE DESERT TALK ABOUT SITTING TARGETS

    Liberals as if that wasn’t bad enough to do to our troops, they cancelled all the new helicopters that had millions paid down on them & sent them our to fight in rusted out garbage.

    Liberals once again were totally broke & bought rusted out subs for our troops that caught fire when they tried to bring them home.

    Liberals sponsorship scandal.

    Liberals totally had gutted all our money as like the NDP they believe in rewarding People who refuse to work with welfare for their own personal good.

    IT IS UNSUSTAINABLE TO HAVE HUGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE RECIEVING WELFARE WHO ARE TOO LAZY TO WORK FOR A LIVING.

    WELFARE HAS BANKRUPT SO MANY COUNTRIES IT HAS TO STOP

    Liberals all they ever wanted to do was to add as many taxes as they could to working people like HST & Carbon taxes that would ruin the country.

    Liberals & NDP then give everything free to people who refuse to work for nothing in exchange for their votes they don’t care about the ones who work & PAY everything they would rather punish working people.

    2 Weeks ago the States had to call a meeting they had no money to pay pension cheques or civil servant wages.

    They voted once again even though no money has been paid back on the deficit to add the debt ceiling once more they now have money until mid May when again they won’t have money.

    You can’t keep borrowing & not pay anything back as they are doing, Greece same thing no money.

    ALL GOVERNMENTS EVERYWHERE ARE GOPING TO HAVE TO CUT EVERYONE OFF WELFARE THERE ARE TOO MANY TAKERS & NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE WORKING TO SUPPORT THE HUGE INCREASE IN LAZY PEOPLE ABUSING THE SYSTEM THAT LIBERALS & NDP LIKE TO GIVE IN EXCHANGE FOR THEIR VOTES.

    They are going to have to do the same as Japan

    Japan cuts dole to ensure work pays better than welfare!!!

    Japan distinguishes itself from the other economically advanced countries by caring for the principle that people who work should have more stuff than people who go on the welfare rolls. The Kyodo News Service reports: Welfare benefits will be slashed by ¥74 billion over a three-year period starting from fiscal 2013, after a government panel found that some people are making more on the dole than the average low-income person who is not spends on living costs, it was learned Sunday.The decision to lower standard benefit payments by 6.5 percent was made by welfare minister Norihisa Tamura and Finance…


  29. in British Columbia indicated that government officials responsible for the procurement process ( tender and bidding process) lack the required experience in relation to the commercial construction process.

    Many who did have the experience retired or moved onto the private sector. Government officials often failed to follow their own procurement policies. ( I have explored this in detail on a previous post, where a source revealed to me that often, the officials in charge of a project will rely on employees of a bidding company for direction, via hiring them as a consultant in the process. Fairness reviewers deemed with examining the bid process for fairness, are often seen as being in a perceived conflict via work with the government on other projects- Laila)

    It is simply not acceptable, nor is it in the publics interest, to allow often incompetent, and more often unethical business practices to continue within the B.C. government. It absolutely must stop.

    In 2010, in following final ruling of the decade long Tercon vs. British Columbia court case, I said the following:

    “.. What is needed is a full and independent inquiry into the actions of the government then, and now, to reveal the truth of what is going on in that portfolio. If the government intends to stand by its claim of administering an honest and open government with integrity, let it start with the Basi-Virk trial upon our doorstep, and end with the Tercon Judgement. The integrity of the entire bidding process, the future of local industry in our province, and what little faith we may have remaining in our elected officials, depends on it.”

    That was 2010. As we know, the Basi-Virk trial was shut down faster than a bear trap snaps its victim, and while Vaughn Palmer picked up the Tercon story, the government denied and ignored any lingering questions.

    Two years later, we find ourselves with a premier who campaigned on bringing open government to the people and then quickly revealed herself as being more secretive than Campbell ever was. A premier who mandates transparency and accountability to ensure tax dollars are being spent wisely to give British Columbians a better quality of life… but applies that mandate selectively, targeting her foes and protecting her friends.

    I say now, that this report bolsters and supports my repeated calls for a full investigation and public inquiry into the public procurement process within all ministries of the government of British Columbia, and the sooner the better.

    To do anything other, is to condone corruption within government by our elected officials -a concept which should have never been tolerable in the first place.

    in British Columbia indicated that government officials responsible for the procurement process ( tender and bidding process) lack the required experience in relation to the commercial construction process.

    Many who did have the experience retired or moved onto the private sector. Government officials often failed to follow their own procurement policies. ( I have explored this in detail on a previous post, where a source revealed to me that often, the officials in charge of a project will rely on employees of a bidding company for direction, via hiring them as a consultant in the process. Fairness reviewers deemed with examining the bid process for fairness, are often seen as being in a perceived conflict via work with the government on other projects- Laila)

    It is simply not acceptable, nor is it in the publics interest, to allow often incompetent, and more often unethical business practices to continue within the B.C. government. It absolutely must stop.

    In 2010, in following final ruling of the decade long Tercon vs. British Columbia court case, I said the following:

    “.. What is needed is a full and independent inquiry into the actions of the government then, and now, to reveal the truth of what is going on in that portfolio. If the government intends to stand by its claim of administering an honest and open government with integrity, let it start with the Basi-Virk trial upon our doorstep, and end with the Tercon Judgement. The integrity of the entire bidding process, the future of local industry in our province, and what little faith we may have remaining in our elected officials, depends on it.”

    That was 2010. As we know, the Basi-Virk trial was shut down faster than a bear trap snaps its victim, and while Vaughn Palmer picked up the Tercon story, the government denied and ignored any lingering questions.

    Two years later, we find ourselves with a premier who campaigned on bringing open government to the people and then quickly revealed herself as being more secretive than Campbell ever was. A premier who mandates transparency and accountability to ensure tax dollars are being spent wisely to give British Columbians a better quality of life… but applies that mandate selectively, targeting her foes and protecting her friends.

    I say now, that this report bolsters and supports my repeated calls for a full investigation and public inquiry into the public procurement process within all ministries of the government of British Columbia, and the sooner the better.

    To do anything other, is to condone corruption within government by our elected officials -a concept which should have never been tolerable in the first place.

  30. Chiasson / THE CANADIAN PRESS file photo

    Quebec construction magnate Tony Accurso, seen in April 2012, was arrested earlier this month by the RCMP’s anti-corruption squad on allegations of federal income-tax evasion.

    By:Wendy GillisStaff Reporter, Published on Wed Aug 29 2012

    Explore This Story

    1 SHERBROOKE, QUE.—In his home riding for the fifth time this election campaign, Quebec premier Jean Charest seemed to think if he said it enough, he could make it so.

    “We will form a majority government,” he repeated to a small gathering of supporters at a Sherbrooke hotel Wednesday. “I will be the representative in Sherbrooke.”

    Given the polls — the most recent putting him in third behind the front-running Parti Québécois and the Coalition Avenir Québec — and the stiff competition from the PQ’s Sherbrooke candidate, Serge Cardin, the predictions could come off as overconfident.

    But they were especially rosy considering the trying day for the embattled party as election day draws closer.

    HYPERLINK “http://www.thestar.com/topic/quebecelectionFull%20coverage%20of%20the%20Quebec%20Election” t “_blank” More:

    A booing crowd of about 40 demonstrators outside a press conference Wednesday afternoon — who prompted the cancellation of a campaign stop at a Sherbrooke market — was not a welcome sight.

    But it was an accusation hurled by a star CAQ candidate that caused most damage when another allegation of Liberal corruption was offered up, an explosive issue Charest has been attempting to duck throughout the campaign.

    During a radio debate on the HYPERLINK “http://www.thestar.com/image/1237346–jacques-duchesneau” t “_blank” Montreal station 98.5 FM Wednesday morning, Jacques Duchesneau — known in the province as an anti-corruption hero — alleged that ministers within Charest’s Liberal government had been taken as guests aboard The Touch, a yacht owned by construction magnate and alleged fraudster Tony Accurso.

    Asked if the allegations, which date back to 2009, were true, Duchesneau simply replied: “Yes.”

    The one word unleashed a storm of questions at a Liberal campaign stop in Saint-Romain. Charest responded by saying he heard about the allegations a few months ago and asked his ministers if it was true.

    “And the answer was ‘no,’ ” he said.

    “Why should we sit here and go through these hypothetical situations just because someone is lodging these false accusations deliberately to hurt people,” Charest said.

    He also fired back at the CAQ, referring to a news report that found Accurso paid for a $14,000 lunch with members of l’Action démocratique du Québec, the party from which the CAQ grew.

    Accurso is known in the province as the construction mogul at the centre of a nearly four-year-long corruption scandal. He was HYPERLINK “http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1239308–tony-accurso-arrested-on-allegations-of-tax-evasion” t “_blank” arrested earlier this month by the RCMP’s anti-corruption squad on allegations of federal income-tax evasion.

    Duchesneau is renown in Quebec for leaking his explosive government-ordered report into corruption and collusion in the construction industry, a move that forced Charest to call a public inquiry last October after two years of refusing. He has authored a second report, tabled to the Charbonneau Commission, that allegedly shows that 70 per cent of money raised by Quebec political parties has been done so illegally.

    Accurso denied in 2009 that the three Liberal minister had taken a ride on his yacht, contrary to allegations made at the time by Benôit Labonté, former Montreal city councillor, and Sylvie Roy, former ADQ deputy now running for the CAQ.

    CAQ leader François Legault said Wednesday afternoon he took no issue with his candidate’s comments but also had no way to know if there was any substance to the allegations.

    “I’ve said many times that since my first meeting with Mr. Duchesneau that I didn’t want to read his second report (alleging the PQ and Liberals were funded by illegal political donations) and that I didn’t want any information about what he discovered as head of the anti-collusion unit,” he told reporters. “I don’t know any more than you.”

    Legault said Duchesneau was ready to share more details about the allegation when he testified before the Charbonneau commission in June but the questions were never asked of the former Montreal police chief.

    Still, the CAQ leader refused to condemn his candidate’s decision to cast the allegation without offering proof.

    “Mr. Duchesneau was asked a direct question. He is someone who is frank, so he responded to the question. He isn’t comfortable lying, so he answered the question.”

    With files from Allan Woods in Saint-Bruno-de-Montarville, Que

  31. How much did Justin charge for this aappeeaarraannccee?

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